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brian hutchison

hi brian hutchison here...my first time attempting to self update for about a year or two... i liked the resume aspect on the site which was accurate... i defer to your editing expertise completely, but i can attest that i am this brian hutchsion ( formerly brickpiper on here) and also that any updates i did today were correct ( i.e. MY actual credits) i understand a comment you made about wiki pages not being reliable, but i thought the page for my character on person of interest ( saic brian moss) seemed to be created by the network CBS, so i added the link... again, im sure i didnt do it all correctly, but if you are able to reinstate any of the info i added i appreciate it

thanks brian hutchison bhutch3@mac.com www.bhutch3.com

Near East University

The source of the newly added material is the link of university, already given under the text. The new info, which was about the names of faculties and number of research centres, is verifiable from the link of the university web page, already given as a source. There is no reason to move the newly added content. Besides, the newly added information is just a regular information, nothing else. Once the link of the university used, this information can easily be seen on the official web site of the university. If you are going to challange such an information, you must be reasonable in your challange and put forth `really reasonable` arguments.

ANI

Hello. Please participate in the current discussion at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you.

Friends of science in medicine

Dear Bbb23,

The page was intended as information on an association that is currently growing at a rapid rate in Australia. The association is run by some of the highest regarded professors and academics in Australia at this current time and is involved on a daily basis with the media.

I would like to contest this deletion. section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion does not apply. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DJFryzy (talk • contribs) 01:24, 19 August 2013 (UTC)DJFryzy (talk) 01:26, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

There was no claim in the article that made it notable other than it exists and what it is. The only sources were to the organization website.--Bbb23 (talk) 23:07, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

If the sources are the issue, I would be more than happy to refer to further sources and additional information. DJFryzy (talk) 11:37, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

Hi Bbb23. I'd like to take a look at the previous content and work on it. Maybe I can whip it into shape. Please place the content here: User:BullRangifer/Friends_of_Science_in_Medicine. Thanks. -- Brangifer (talk) 00:02, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

It's done. Next time, don't create the destination page because I just have to delete what you create. Just tell me the path. Saves me a step.--Bbb23 (talk) 13:00, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

Sheldon Solow

Good morning. I disagree with your revision of my edit. On the other hand, I am impressed by your quality of your work and so assume you have good editorial judgement. Kindly take a look at what you deleted with fresh eyes. I think at least the son's name should be included as he seems increasingly important. Or not. Paul, in Saudi (talk) 03:25, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for bringing it up, User:PaulinSaudi, I have to show some support here because it happened to me too - please take a look at our short discussion at the article's talk page. The entire information I added in this version was deleted, and I still disagree with that decision, because all the sources are quite reliable and with just a few edits one can me the article look more neutral. User:Bbb23, with all due respect, I think you're a bit too critical. Yambaram (talk) 17:47, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

I won't be able to look at this until probably Saturday. Please remind me if come Sunday, I haven't done anything. Thanks.--Bbb23 (talk) 23:19, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

Alright no problem then here's the reminder, thanks in advance. Yambaram (talk) 03:02, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

Heh, now it's Sunday (my time). I've edited the article to add back in Paul's material. I've reworded it and sourced it more clearly (the NYT article is helpful - better to cite the online version for readers). I've included Stefan, but the article never really defines his role in the business, so I've left it intentionally vague.--Bbb23 (talk) 13:21, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

MRM probation spill over

Hi Bbb23, I just noticed a bit of brouhaha at Controversial Reddit communities between Rosclese and Ranze. The issues is the Reddit for Men's rights, which has been labelled by the SPLC as a hate group, but its members don't like that. Since these edits are all relevant to the Men's rights movement they're covered by the probation--Cailil 10:37, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

I started to look at the substantive issues and decided my brain wasn't up to it today. Nonetheless, I issued a warning on the article talk page so editors would at least have notice that their actions are being scrutinized.--Bbb23 (talk) 23:44, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

editwarring

I was going to call this section 'breach of 1RR' but I'm not sure the 1RR restriction extends beyond Men's rights movement (something that should be looked at in the future if spill over edit wars continue), but the editwarring probation does.

Ranze has reverted twice within 35 minutes yesterday it also does look like a synthesis. Rosclese has been removing this material but Ranze has inserted and re-inserted it or broadly similar content. This revert war has been going on since August 19th - it's time to for it to stop (note it takes two to Tango, Ranze has just been a little more trigger happy that Rosclese)--Cailil 23:57, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

(Boy, that was weird. I was logged off just as I was about to save my edit.) I blocked Ranze and warned Roscelese. If the probation sanctions apply to a particular page, or in this case section, then 1RR also applies as they are indivisible in my view, although I see the potential ambiguity in the language. I also counted three reverts by Ranze in a 24-hour period. The first August 26 edit was a revert. On a separate subject, the probation sanctions will expire on September 20. My view is they should continue, but I'm not sure when that should be brought to an administrative noticeboard, nor who would be the best person to do it. Any thoughts?--Bbb23 (talk) 00:40, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

Regarding the 1RR expiry yeah I was thinking about that. September 10th or before would be the best time. In terms of who, I don't mind doing it but it might be better from an uninvolved sysop. There's time to think about it anyway--Cailil 10:30, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

Old sockpuppetry case

I think 201.215.187.159 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) just "resurrected" as 75.98.19.140 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) – can you check that? Hearfourmewesique (talk) 15:57, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

...and here's a brand new one: 209.226.201.250 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log). Hearfourmewesique (talk) 01:22, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

...and another one: 81.133.23.70 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log). Hearfourmewesique (talk) 14:48, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

...and the IP's de jour are 83.244.194.223 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) and 46.37.55.80 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log). Hearfourmewesique (talk) 03:51, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

I'm getting a little dizzy. The latest IPs you note are all supposedly from the UK. Now we have Chile, Canada, and the UK. I can see they are editing the same articles and have the same style, although each of the new ones has made very few edits, but I'm not sure picking them off one by one is the best way to go because, assuming they are the same person, xe is fairly devious. And I know less about this sort of technical deviousness than some. Perhaps we should be protecting certain articles?--Bbb23 (talk) 12:05, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

Kournikova is protected, but now the IP is trying to bombard the talk page. By all means, protect however many articles (and talk pages) you see fit, I'm all up for it. Hearfourmewesique (talk) 17:35, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

Questionable reverting on Katia Elizarova page

Hi there on the Katia Elizarova page you left the following comment in an edit 15:25, 21 August 2013‎ Bbb23 (talk | contribs)‎ m . . (9,643 bytes) (-724)‎ . . (Reverted edits by 149.241.6.55 (talk) to last version by Pinakulo - inappropriate edits

However, in your reverting you have put back factual inaccuracies and seemingly removed updates and information. Could you please explain this? I'm going to go back in and correct the mistaken labeling of images once more and add back in the updated career information as appropriate. Along with additional information of other work I can find online. But I am interested as to what you find inappropriate, so as not to add material that might cause issues. I am not sure why it would be felt that non-sourced items and inaccuracy is okay? And correct labelling, new links and timeline updates inappropriate, but I might be missing something.

Asaram Bapu

Please talkback and more importantly help here: Talk:Asaram_Bapu#Removed_sections. Note, I'll ask one or two more WikiProject India experts to check PoV pushing, and political gaming in this article. Your help will be appreciated. Tito☸Dutta 07:15, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

As I stated on the talk page, I've locked the article and restored a different version. I also just opened a topic at WP:AN if you wish to comment. Probably not the help you wanted (smile), but it's what I thought was warranted.--Bbb23 (talk) 22:21, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

• Your revert has been incorrectly assessed at WP:AN. You have provided toolserver edit count link. But, the thing which got unnoticed, that one of the 3 or 4 reverts was a revert of your edit, which makes you WP:INVOLVED, second, you have protected your version (which was reverted), WP:FULL does not permit it.

Anyway, just yesterday I was participating in another WP:FULL issue, where I was supporting an admin, see User_talk:Mark_Arsten/Archive_the_twelfth#Blocked. I don't have much energy (and time) left to discuss/debate on another. If you think these two points have merit, you can post there, or just forget these. (see next point).

Actually your WP:FULL has helped. I was going to request it soon (yesterday I posted at NPOV noticeboard too). The only issue which I request you to consider" the recent minor girl issue is a current event, thousands of people are visiting the article these days (see recent page view stats). And that has been covered in numerous new articles. So, full protected version of our article is backdated. If not, BLPCRIME, that can be added as a BLPCONTROVERSY.

More importantly, who is going to the answer to my request? I have posted at NPOV noticeboard, India noticeboard, but, no one replied. And that recent User:Pee.. Tito☸Dutta 07:15, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

Your post at NPOVN is problematic in at least two respects. First and foremost, the most pressing issue isn't neutrality. Second, you don't really say anything to make a case there. The BLP issues have to be resolved before anything can go forward. Thus, you should either be posting at BLPN or at least addressing the issues at the article talk page. You tried to do that in your post before I locked the page, but although the points you raised were interesting, they didn't suggest what could be done and why. (I agree with you that Pee3.14159 appears to be a problem, but that's a separate issue and needs to be dealt with in the usual ways.)--Bbb23 (talk) 11:59, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

Do you accept Tito's contention that protecting your version which contained a revert of a revert of your edit had made you WP:INVOLVED because of which you were not permitted to protect your version because of WP:FULL? Secondly, the criticism Asaram Bapu is facing is similar to the criticism faced by David Miscavige on Miscavige's wiki page (see the 'Media Coverage and Criticism' section in the WP page of Miscavige in particular). So your wholesale removal of the criticism (and protecting the page) is something i protest against, particularly since you were involved in the editing of the main article. Soham321 (talk) 02:19, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

A cookie for you!

Thought you could use this after dealing with all of the Chris Siloma created articles. Singularity42 (talk) 16:35, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, it was kind of tiring. :-) If you notice recreation of any of those articles or evidence of socking, please let me know.--Bbb23 (talk) 16:37, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

AspieNo1's actually asking you to do so, and do it to their user space, telling them that you have done so? You might want to consider enhancing the rationale for deletion that you have given because the primary editor is part of our differently able editing community, see WP:AUTISM, and they need to understand and relate to what has happened here. When (and if) you userfy, I suspect the Talk page ought to go with it. I'm not sure of the usual process for that. Fiddle Faddle Bbb23 (talk) 18:28, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

Please consider to do whatever you can to either reinstate this page directly, or something so the work is not lost. We have had a shock one of our members on the other side of the country and Damon's niece in-law suddenly died on Thursday, and we are all helping the family at the moment with online communication. Myself and may of our colleagues will not be able to engage with our colleagues in the world-wide Aspies helping until at least Tuesday ... I quote details below for your information as to why. IN ICAAN we are busy downloading websites he has worked on, or from charities and causes he has been instrumental in to hard drive and backing the content up from Damon's Archives he has donated - all the dropbox accounts used for sharing content between users in Shannon, Limerick, Cork, Galway, Dublin and Wicklow are working overtime at the moment - due to dual pressures on resources in relation to website content and the families bereavement.

Please undelete and ], sandbox or whatever to get this article back up - a lot of us had put hard work into it, and generally most were positive and voted to keep ...- while not perfect as much content was generally noted to have improved sufficiently to remain keeps on getting removed and articles photographic evidence and references thereto related is being held up by Wikimedia release - see reference and information by Misplaced Pages:AUTISM in User:Timtrent (reproduced below). Damon's wife's niece suddenly past away, and we are attempting to support the family, as she like many in the families of both Damon and Karen were also in the High Functional side of the autistic spectrum. Sorry but many of us are too occupied to deal with this at the moment; we are a tight-nit community especially in the Greater Dublin area on the other side of the country from Damon, where we have a number of user-led groups resulted from his work over the years. He was upset about misrepresentation of his nationalities, however, the Irish Naturalisation and Immigration Service have given him permission to upload PDF and Scanned image files of their correspondence confirming the loss of Irish Passport rights, which allowed his reinstatement of Belgian (Flemish) rights and Passport (we have also now received and copied all his passport, state register and ID card public images - for which he has requested permission from the embassies to allow these to be included to confirm his nationalities and where he was from); these issues have all taken a back-burner - he has asked something is there a form or declaration he can fill in to allow images, pictures and content specifically in relation to the information page - it has been mooted, but he has only been given a unconditional US Copyright page, which appears not t be the best accurate in relation to his exclusive or shared personal and charitable rights as officer, director or committee member of the bodies, which he shares with himself in personal and voluntary capacity - he seems to be getting the run-around on confirming and identification of content from commons.wikimedia.org in relation to "US derivation from International copyright law": - " PUBLIC NOTICE : - Clodagh-Anne McElligott viewing at Flannery's Funeral Parlour Saturday 2 to 5 and Sunday 5 to 7 Requiem Mass 10 am Monday in St. Patrick's Church in Wicklow Town. Cremation at Harold's Cross straight after. No Flower " and " I have prepared a co-operative workspace in which anyone is free to contribute or make suggestions as what can be included from their personal memories, videos, pictures, or written - feel free to pass it on to other friends and family - even those not active on her facebook profile - we want a positive permanent presence of her from our own memories and sources. A permanent vault of diverse people best memories of her ... "Now the news has officially broken, after Monday, after we start loosing the daze, disbelief and shock and in order to fill the collective void - how about anyone who feels the urge want to collaborate on things they want to remember about my only niece, Clodagh-Anne McElligott. I am in the final stages of Web Design course - if anyone feels that it will help send me a message with your e-mail address and I will send a link so you can work on a tribute and contribute any images, music, text, memories, poems - whatever moves you. Contact me (e-mail removed) ... sorry to hold out on you for a while. We will miss you! " and "I could work with others to do a memorial tribute site, the one I am currently working on: http://candy-waters-tribute.comuv.com/index.html; Want to exchange pictures, and media to work on a web page or project - the following link allowed shared work on projects in a program called Dropbox, which can be downloaded from here (weblink removed) For Clodagh case we would have to make the background much more colourful!" " AspieNo1 (talk) Bbb23 (talk) 19:12, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

He has stated clearly elsewhere, that this is a single editor account, despiet appearances to the contrary. Fiddle Faddle 22:52, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

I take contents from different users by dropbox, and yes collaborate in chat with other editors - placing researched material in talk and then editing down in content. Aspies culturally think of social group, and rarely use I or me, which we do not feel that use of I is appropriate (being selfish) ... just simple not the way I or we think - it is thus extremely difficult of me to use I rather then we - the article about Damon who defined Aspies in the early 90's and developed self/peer advocacy and support groups is to many an important step for the Aspies community and concept to come out of hidden and secret groups and enter the mainstream ...

Damon_Matthew_Wise and Talk:Damon_Matthew_Wise

Damon_Matthew_Wise and Talk:Damon_Matthew_Wise (talk|edit|history|logs|links|watch) (restore)

majority consensus was sufficient work was done to keep, and some felt if not ought to be userfied or sandboxed - I have chosen to seek that myself and other editors want the consensus kept to. It was reviewed for Disability biography content status and passed. Have notified user Bbb23 in Talk of this. AspieNo1 (talk) 08:25, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

Many of my support team are not back in things; yes, I quoted articles on Clodagh's funeral and background (quoted from social media and webpages), to show what is going on and why had been covering without most of my support team - it appears that attendance on the funeral was very good - and filled the church. AspieNo1 (talk) 08:35, 27 August 2013 (UTC) AspieNo1 (talk) 08:39, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

Please guide this editor

As you have seen from the foregoing, they express themselves well, just not in the style many of us are accustomed to. It seems to me that AspieNo1 wishes to engage in the first stage of Deletion Review with you, discussing the matter. They have also started a thread here which I think they genuinely believe is the Deletion Review process. You might (quite reasonably) interpret this in one of two ways:

• attempts to circumvent DR
• attempts to undermine your closure, rather than discuss it formally

My belief is that it is neither of those, but an impassioned plea for help by an editor who is not skilled in our ways. However they have proved that they can learn, given the right guidance.

Would you guide them, please, through the correct process of first discussing the closure with you, and then, if you and they cannot reach a conclusion, through the DR process? Despite the fact that you closed the original discussion I think you are uninvolved enough to do that. If you feel unable to do the last step, might you ask someone else to guide them? I would do this myself, but feel I have become far too closely involved in this article and personally with the editor concerned. I am not sure if I have recommended WP:AUTISM to you yet, but, if not, I recommend it to you now. Fiddle Faddle 08:45, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

Yes WP:AUTISM and Disability tag applied - article had status already been reviewed and approved for Disability biography ... AspieNo1 (talk) 08:56, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

I have been suggested to seek review and Administrators noticeboard of deletion by User: Bbb23 of article Damon Matthew Wise and its talk page. In view that considerable work done by me and background team and many other editors, and had passed criteria for Disability biography - the alternate consensus if it did not pass contents of page and talk be te,porarily undeleted and userfied or placed in sandbox - either alternatives are acceptable to allow me, my support team and other editors to finetune the article if any remaining issues not addressed can be identified. Have already posted review and will copy this on Bbb23's talk page. AspieNo1 (talk) 08:56, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

AspieNo1 (talk) 12:02, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

Request

Might you be able to fully delete the section that I posted Lauri Flaquer? Even after viewing several pages, I can't seem to figure out how to do so. Thank you for your help with this. I appreciate your time and consideration. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cyclosuccess (talk • contribs)

You want me to delete the section higher up on my talk page that you started?--Bbb23 (talk) 21:19, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

Meytal Cohen

I believe she deserves her own wiki page, because she has the second most visted channel on youtube for a female drummer.

She is already listed on List of female drummers and now she just finished a crowdfunding project on kickstarter that got more than 2 or 3 times what she pladged, to start working on her debut album with original songs.

I am a drummer myself and believe me, she has the talent, she plays so naturally you feel like you can grab a stick and do the same yourself. She plays incredibly complex songs with a smile on her face.

She also has an amazing crowd following her around on the internet, from all over the world.

I saw all the lists about drummers and I never heard of some of the drummers listed there, while she is generating a lot of buzz on youtube.

She has her own website, has many videos on youtube, has videos and tapes teaching how to play, releasing her debut album, she is an acomplished musician with an incredible talent.

In my opinion, she deserves way more than just a page on wikipedia, but that for her will be enough.

Thank you for your time and patience.

(sorry, it has been a long time that I don't login to wikipedia and I lost my user and pass. I'm trying to recover it) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 187.36.5.55 (talk)

The most recent version of an article about her (there've been at least three) was deleted per WP:CSD#G11. In relooking at it, I should have also included WP:CSD#A7. It had no claim of significance, and it talked about how she sells videos and other merchandise on her website. You're going to have do much better than that, and the kinds of staterments you make above won't help matters. This is an encyclopedia, not a fansite.--Bbb23 (talk) 12:52, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

Asaram Bapu‎ article is biased, and doesn't meet wikipedia standards, please remove the page

In the article about Asaram Bapu controversies have been highlighted in non-neutral fashion and are not showing the two sides. For example here http://en.wikipedia.org/Asaram_Bapu#Statements_on_2012_Delhi_gang_rape_victim Asaram Babu's comment was interpreted by media as if he said that the (rape) victim was equally responsible as the rapists.

Refer ( video translation not availble ) : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyWHg0drKSk

In this video, Asaram Babu himself clarifies that he didn't never said that, what he said was that since the (victim) girl was the only bread earner in the family, the parent of the girl may come to Asaram Babu's Asharam if they like and he would support them by the donations that he recieves. He later said that "Taali ek haath sey nahin bajti" direct translation would mean "It is not possible to clap with one hand" literal meaning of which is, "Mistake is not of one individual, it takes two for a quarrel" ... this he said later in reference to dowry laws, which was manipulated by paid-media and presented as if he said it implying tha the girl was as guilty and the rapists.

I have written articles in past and have found that wikipedia admins rigourosly analyze available information and then make posts. Now since these video is in Hindi language, admins might have simply ignored the actual video and posted what was posted in the newspapers.

Now since this page has been blocked by wiki admins, and we cannot add any references and clarification.

Please fix this article, as this article because of it's biased nature doesn't meet wikipedia standards. If that is not possible, I request that this article be deleted instead. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shashaanktulsyan (talk • contribs) 13:09, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

If you wish to comment, use the article talk page.--Bbb23 (talk) 13:24, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks you I have commented in the article talk page. Please look into the comment or refer some expert to do the same. Thanks again.--Shashaanktulsyan (talk) 13:24, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

Notice

Hello. There is currently a discussion at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is Admin_User:Bbb23.27s_actions_on_Asaram_Bapu. Thank you. Redtigerxyz 15:01, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

Where is the sockpuppet investigation link?

You have recently blocked this user:Breadinglover on charges of sock puppetry. I was one of the first to interact with the user and this is what got me interested. I've searched but could not find any sock puppet investigations on this user. There is a chance that this has been done in haste, could there be an investigation? -Ugog Nizdast (talk) 17:41, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

There has been extensive disruptive sock puppetry and possibly meat puppetry on these articles. I blocked this user based on WP:DUCK, although there was an investigation of the master and some of the puppets. It was not done in haste.--Bbb23 (talk) 17:48, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for your prompt reply. Well, I guess it seemed kind of obvious, seeing what all has happened before in that article. The user has filed an appeal to be unblocked, lets see what happens. -Ugog Nizdast (talk) 17:56, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

Lauren Harries

Hi. I find it almost impossible to believe that Loreen Harris and Lauren Harries are two different people; Loreen Harris had a chart hit shortly before Lauren Harries appeared on Celebrity Big Brother, and it is very, very common for Big Brother contestants to do something semi-notable before going on to the show (1st, 2nd and 3rd placed contestants in regular Big Brother Sam Evans, Dexter Koh and Gina Rio appeared on Deal or no Deal, a newspaper story detailing his sugar daddy antics and a newspaper story regarding how she was the most spoilt girl in Britain respectively). Do you not find that suspicious?--Launchballer 18:19, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

You're going to have to find some secondary sources to back up the claim of the song and that your recently created redirect is supportable.--Bbb23 (talk) 18:30, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

Okay. For the time being, I've changed where Loreen Harris redirects to to I Love It (Icona Pop song).--Launchballer 18:36, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, very good of you.--Bbb23 (talk) 18:38, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

Aarthi Aggarwal

Hi. You reverted the (birth date)changes I made on above person's page. If you closely see the sources mentioned for Aarthi's birthday, the sources are for some other person (named Trisha). There is no mention of above named person in those citations. Both Aarthi Aggarwal and Trisha are different individuals. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jenis23 (talk • contribs) 20:39, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

You are absolutely right. Thanks for taking the time to explain it to me. I've adjusted the article accordingly.--Bbb23 (talk) 22:03, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

Improper block

Hello, you've recently blocked Special:Contributions/96.50.86.210 who was trying to removed some biased and incorrect information from the Canadian Cadet pages, which was added today by a person who is carrying out his own little war against the program through many means (mainly Facebook). It would honestly be a better idea to block the person playing the countervandalism game who kept reverting the removal by multiple people, who didn't bother to actually examine the information being added. I would ask on behalf of whoever that IP is (I'm not exactly sure myself) that you remove the block. Ajraddatz (Talk) 20:44, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

I blocked the IP for edit warring and for probable multiple account abuse. At this point I have no intention of lifting the block. As for your other comments, I've commented on the army cadet talk page, but I don't see anything about Facebook, at least not in that article.--Bbb23 (talk) 21:56, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

Frankly it quacks like the duck of edit warring. The IP made no attempt at dialogue, and reverted with untruthful edit summaries after increasing warnings. It only has itself to blame. I see no reason for this admin to lift that block. The article talk page is the correct place to handle this issue, not user talk pages. This strikes me very much like a Lady Macbeth argument.

Wars can be handled well and with consensus on article talk pages. The way this was conducted is, at best, ungentlemanly, at worst conduct unbecoming to a Canadian Cadet. Fiddle Faddle 22:11, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

The guy didn't bring any of the usual stuff that he gets around Facebook on here (surveys and such), just the two additions of obviously slanted information. I think the issue with the IP is that the person in question didn't know the proper methods for communication... but I am biased in this case, and suppose that I've also taken a step too far in here. Thanks to both of you for your time/thoughts. Ajraddatz (Talk) 03:57, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

My piece is said

Though we have not necessarily always agreed, you and I, I respect you and your abilities, perhaps because we have not always agreed :). I intend now to have nothing further to do with the Canadian Cadet débacle.

You might be in an excellent position to offer him/her/them guidance on how to work within the rules here. If I attempt that I will appear to be combative still in the light of the (limited) history in those articles. The good news is that the talk page(s) are now being used. Consensus will form. Thank you for your contributions. Fiddle Faddle 22:47, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

Disagreement is often healthy. We just have to remind ourselves that we are all doing our best and not to suspect each other of bad motives. This was a tough sequence of events, and I think all your actions were completely understandable. Could you have done better? Perhaps, but the same goes for me. We're not perfect. Regards.--Bbb23 (talk) 23:05, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

We can always do better. What we need to be is 'good enough', though. :) Fiddle Faddle 23:09, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

User:Badmintonhist

Per your final warning about hounding, attempted to do so by proxy. Have blocked for a week. See their talk page. Thanks, Black Kite (talk) 23:15, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

Good block. Thanks for the heads up.--Bbb23 (talk) 23:31, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

Move notice

The content of a Misplaced Pages Administrator's Incident discussion you were involved in, Admin User:Bbb23's actions on Asaram Bapu:, has been consolidated at ‎Misplaced Pages:Administrators'_noticeboard#Asaram_Bapu_and_WP:BLP . NE Ent 00:05, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the move and the notice here.--Bbb23 (talk) 00:12, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

LittleBenW

I noticed that you didn't tag this account with {{blocked user}}, and the block log doesn't link to an ANI permalink so one has to search for it to find it (here). Is there any reason not to add a tag, and use that as link=? --Joy (talk) 13:32, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

There's a block "notice" on his talk page with a link to the AN discussion. I thought the use of the template on the user page was optional, although I've never seen any guidance on when and when not to use it. I generally don't, but that's more a matter of habit than anything else. If you feel it would be helpful, you're free to add it.--Bbb23 (talk) 23:07, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

Finding Government Information

I was editing an article and there was an edit request, but the person didn't provide a proper source for what I would assume is government information. (A recommendation from a U.S. Senator.) An aside: I was going to add some information from the testimony on sexual harassment of women in the military after watching the hearings to relevant articles, but when I looked for the transcript, it seems you have to pay for the information. Is that how it is? My question is: Do we have a Project or Roundrobin on how to access government information? You search on subjects, find what would be good info, and then it's on some Web site like democracy underground that doesn't properly source. It's frustrating. Thank you in advance (and excuse my ignorance).Shemp Howard, Jr. (talk) 19:37, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

I need more context. What article are you talking about? Government is vast, and I don't think there's one answer fits all. Also, remember generally that primary sources can be problematic.--Bbb23 (talk) 00:11, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

The Cadet War of 2013 continues

I was wondering if you could bring a steadying hand to the mess? There are still reversions and counter reversions. A solution is page protection in whatever state obtains to force them all to thrash it out on the talk page. That seems draconian if they can be persuaded to work "together". IT seems one can lead the horse to water, bit one has insufficient salt to put in its mouth to make it thirsty enough to drink properly. Fiddle Faddle 22:04, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

Looks like the guy who originally added the content made an account to revert me and add it back. So far, nobody else has presented any good refute of the points for removal (the new account's comment is just generic), but I don't feel comfortable with taking any more action at this point. Ajraddatz (Talk) 23:51, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

I have semi-protected all four articles for one week. I have ensured that the two sections are not in any of the articles because I don't believe it's acceptable per policy for them to be there in their present form. I'll leave it up to others to discuss the content issues on the article talk pages (or, better, as Tim tried to do on one of them as the material is the same across all four, even though they are separate organizations).--Bbb23 (talk) 00:09, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

That week ought to be entirely long enough to form a documented consensus. My recommendation is that formal closure is sought from an uninvolved editor, probably an admin (which status is not needed, but gives some clout to the closure). Bbb23, might you ask someone suitable and of standing here to keep an eye on it, and to remain uninvolved, giving them no briefing except that a closure will be required in due course, and probably prior to the semi-protection expiring? Fiddle Faddle 08:27, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

He's back... and doing it again.

It is possible that he really does not understand what he did without discussion last year was wrong... and by again removing entire swaths of well-documented and sourced content he is repeating that behavior. Schmidt, 06:07, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

Deletion review for Damon Matthew Wise

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Damon Matthew Wise. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. (notifying for User:AspieNo1 who tried to post his DRV on the wrong page - I moved it.) Black Kite (talk) 12:07, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

1) Undelete and guidelines or 2) Deletion Review and/or 3) Userfy or 4) Sandbox of Damon_Matthew_Wise and its talk to work on it

I have asked for Deletion review on the grounds that Damon_Matthew_Wise article met criteria Disability Biography and most had changed position to keep or if not possible userfy or sandbox.

This is a WP:ASPIES article and has been recognised as passing eligibility as a Disability article and uses language accordingly.

The comments were sometimes inappropriate and distracted from autism and disability content, and was still being worked on.

Alternatively, I agree that although it is the right side of keep, such discussions may have distorted it, and as a result would be prepared for temporary undelete of article (and its talk page, which contains information on research and work in progress that the editors were working through) and userfy or sandbox - many people on wikipedia are interested in this remaining a viable article, and yes work needs to be done to improve it.

I and other editors look for instructions of what may need to be improved to keep as a disability biography, as by and large have changed it as best we can get permissions through commons.wikimedia at this time.

We hope that you can restore, or temporarily restore page into whatever way and its talk so we have a coherant, independent, neutral, balanced, references and cited and researched article. AspieNo1 (talk) 12:41, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/Royal_mail_Choir

Hello Bob

It looks like Bob from here. New user hence the clattering through protocol. I cobbled together my very first article about the Royal mail Choir and expected Wiki to act like Facebook. You type stuff and on it goes. Only you deleted it. I read why and what I didn't do was put on any sources. So the whole thing could have been made up by anyone. Fair enough. Now another administrator (who I shall call Dave although his sign in name was Shabazz or something) has said that if I ask nicely you can undelete it so I don't have to type the whole damn thing out again.

So come on Bob, be a sport eh? I have learned my lesson and will put on references and everything. It may need re checking after I have done it because I am still really really not sure how to do this yet. And yes there are pages and pages of instructions available which, being a bloke, well, I'm not going to read those am I?

What about it?

Go on. Pretty please. It's for a charity choir who happen to work for the Royal Mail. Cancer charity as well.

And I promise not to call you Bob any more.

JTKKavanagh (talk) 16:41, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) You were given advice at WP:REFUND, however, now you should see WP:NOBLECAUSE ES&L 18:12, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

Suggested New Photo for http://en.wikipedia.org/Vaughn_Walker

I have a photo that I think would be preferable for Vaughn Walker, and I contacted the photographer and got a Misplaced Pages Declaration of consent for all enquiries from him. However, I new and not yet a confirmed user. If you agree that it would make a addition, would you mind putting the picture up for me? If yes, is there a place where I can upload the photo and Declaration? I see all sorts of ways to do this, but I don't want to use a clumsy method. Ddb2001 (talk) 18:11, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

UPDATE: Please disregard. I saw by your conversations that you were busy and got help from someone else. Thanks, though. Ddb2001 (talk) 16:36, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

(smiling) Your conclusion was absolutely correct. I've been super busy. I'm glad you were able to get the help you needed.--Bbb23 (talk) 19:54, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

Restoring unanswered questions to Jimbo's talk page

Isn't this something that happens frequently? What is the reason you think it is unconstructive? 192.81.0.147 (talk) 01:26, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

No, it's highly unusual to mess with the archives of another user.--Bbb23 (talk) 23:22, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

User:Watts9595

How about a {{uw-ewsoft}} /softer warning for Watts? She/he did reach out to me on my talk page with a request for assistance. I really couldn't get involved in the topic, so I said no and added a welcome notice to Watts' talk page. Your call. Thanks. – S. Rich (talk) 01:27, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

That article gets a lot of very contentious editing, and I'm afraid I'm suspicious of a brand new editor coming along and making such a massive change to the article, not to mention the IP, who has also made no other edits except to that article, backing them up.--Bbb23 (talk) 01:35, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

Yes. And the edit history is one of the reasons I shied away from the ersatz 3O. Anyway, happy editing! – S. Rich (talk) 02:10, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

Subreddit MR issue gaming

I am very concerned that other editors are simply gaming this 1RR thing. I am trying to be co-operative here and explain the reasoning for edits in depth, and other users are not being co-operative and simply dismissing edits by shouting "fluff" or "OR". The actual content in question is not really being specified, and I think this is being used to advance a biased perspective of this section.

To show how this can get a bit messed up:

1. bad info introduced
2. someone comes across the bad info a week later, removes it
3. removal is reverted, restoring the bad info within the day
4. bad info removed again, remover is cited for 1RR

When it comes to the "clarify vs claim" controversy, I have 2 options here to try and make things correct (in terms of editing, since I am engaging in talk page discussion and edit summarizing):

1. change the word to something better (my approach so far)
2. tag the word with fact/misleading/OR

Assuming the first is considered reversion, is the second? If my tag gets removed within hours and I don't notice for a couple days and restore the tag, will that be a revert?

I worry that too much focus is being placed on the sanction's rules and too little on the actual rightness of the content itself. This clearly is not a revert war on my end, you can see that by my engaging in conversation and trying to be progressive. But I have to be insistent about trying to make statements come from NPOV and tag or remove OR, which is what I'm doing.

I'm in an awkward position here where the reduction of clarify>claim is itself being called "OR" (which I really don't understand here, 'claim' doesn't suggest anything, claims can be true or false) when I am in fact removing unsupported OR.

You can see from edits like this, the section is being reduced to a single presentation of source material: reactions.

Both Rosc and now Bread have removed direct quotes from the original report (the primary topic that spawned the controversy), and are making it so that only the responses (Potok's March 28 interview and the SPLC's May 15 followup). This is not a neutral point of view, because it avoids addressing the direct topic, and only cites what the organization claims was in the topic.

I would very much like to revert it to my last version before bread made that removal, may I do so, now that my 24 hour ban is over? I have contacted bread and explained why I do not think it is 'fluff'. I believe it is a false statement to say I 'added nothing' because I added critical information from the original report, as well as developing information on the doxxing section.

I am accused of 'padding' out the section, which isn't true at all. Padding is irrelevant information and I don't think anything there was irrelevant. I think if users are going to assume bad faith like this, they should explain themselves. Calling an addition fluff/nothing/padding is very insulting and something I think that deserves a better explanation. Shouldn't people be highlighting this stuff on the talk page before removing it? Explaining their reasons for not wanting it there?

The information I added was sourced. The excerpts from the original report are from the reference Rosc added upon first creating the section. It has been slightly biased from the outset (saying "misogynistic websites" rather than sites listed under a 'Misogyny: the Sites' report) and I've only been trying to make it NPOV. Ranze (talk) 03:48, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

Merge discussion for Pangender

An article that you have been involved in editing, Genderqueer, has been proposed for a merge with the article Pangender. If you are interested in the merge discussion, please participate by going here, and adding your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. --April Arcus (talk) 07:40, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

URGENT message at Asaram Bapu talk

I have a habit of ignoring notifications when I am busy with some works (right now I can see 2 notifications, which I'll check after posting this message). There is an urgent message at Talk:Asaram_Bapu#.40_Bbb23_on_29_August_2013. The article is going out of control once again. --Tito☸Dutta 10:11, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

Hey, Tito, I was going through my watchlist when you posted this message. I would have gotten to the Bapu article eventually as I worked my way up the list, but your notice caused me to go there sooner. More important, I appreciate your concern about the integrity of the article.--Bbb23 (talk) 10:34, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

In my opinion a combination of—

• Pending Changes level 2 protection and
• WP:1RR might be helpful here in future if such disruptions continue.

PC level 2 will filter all auto-confirmed, non-confirmed editor's edits and WP:1RR will stop edit wars. If someone reverts my edit, I'll be forced to discuss first for 1RR. But, most probably they are not allowing to use PC2— is not it? --Tito☸Dutta 11:46, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

My understanding is that pending changes level 2 cannot be used at this time. I am unaware of anything that authorizes me to impose 1RR sanctions on the article.--Bbb23 (talk) 12:00, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

Tabarez2

Hi Bbb23, I suspect that Tabarez is back with the username AccWi. H/she inserts the images uploaded by T2 as you may see from Mehrangiz Dowlatshahi's history. Can you please look it? I tried to report it, but I could not manage it. Thanks. Egeymi (talk) 18:43, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

I've indeffed him as a sock of Tabarez. Are you able/willing to go through all their edits and revert them - or at least delete the ones that aren't innocuous or helpful? If not, let me know, and I will do it. By the same token, he's created new pages. I can delete all of them. I deleted Mehrangiz Dolatshahi per WP:CSD#G5. I can delete all of them. Are there any you think should be kept?--Bbb23 (talk) 20:47, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

Dear admin I will do. Regarding the pages the user created I should review, so it may take time. Thank you so much. I could not express my appreciation. Egeymi (talk) 20:51, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

The user created Mansoureh Sharifi. I have no idea about it, dear Bbb23. It is your decision. Best, Egeymi (talk) 20:59, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

Your protection of The Departed page earlier today.

Is it possible to ask if this page being protected at this time could show a neutral version of this page from before its current discussion-cycle while the discussion is taking place. Possibly the date of Aug 22 or Aug 23, your choice, before the current edits started taking place. 209.3.238.61 (talk) 19:10, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, but absent an overriding policy basis, an article is locked in its state at the time of the lock. We don't choose a particular version.--Bbb23 (talk) 19:58, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Admin's Barnstar
	Thank you so much. Egeymi (talk) 20:48, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

Protection and the article feedback tool

Hey Bbb23. Have you noticed that article protections are now changing the visibility of the WP:AFT, thus cluttering the log? I don't know if the AFT is supposed to be normally off or normally on. Any idea how to avoid this? Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 21:03, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

I know nothing about this. I've never even looked at that section on the protect form before you brought it up. All I can tell you is that by default if you take an article that is unprotected and never has been protected per the log (try Hydrosphere as an example), the default for AFT is "Disable for all users". Whether this has changed, I don't know. I also don't know if disabling and enabling article feedback is the same as protecting. You might look at Misplaced Pages talk:Article Feedback Tool/Version 5. Look at the section "Protection tool and information issues?". I have a feeling it has something to do with this "new" tool. There are other sections on that page that might be relevant as well.--Bbb23 (talk) 22:59, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the pointer. I left a note there. EdJohnston (talk) 02:12, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

Page deleted?

My page was deleted this afternoon, strangely while in the process of making changes to the entries. https://en.wikipedia.org/Themadants

23:51, 29 August 2013 Bbb23 (talk | contribs) deleted page Themadants (G11: Unambiguous advertising or promotion: G12 (http://madants.com/index.php/about/))

Our band has been a local staple for 30 years, I was in the process of adding the history and articles (cites) to the page when it disappeared. Also I'm not sure why you sited G12 (copyright) since I own the site madants.com/themadants.com and the text therein. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.58.47.60 (talk) 00:36, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

The article was blatantly promotional, essentially just a proxy for the website. I have no way of knowing who you are or whether the text on the website is your work. Even without the copyright infringement, the article would be deleted based on the content.--Bbb23 (talk) 00:44, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

The speedy delete template on my page

How would the Template:User AfC missing template place a speedy delete on my page (Just so I know)? APerson (talk!) 01:46, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) It appears that Bbb23 was confused by the CSD notice being transcluded to your userpage from User:APerson/Userboxes/User AfC missing template, which you tagged for deletion after renaming (and as such would have caused a CSD template to appear), in the revision on the left. No such speedy deletion tag appears when the template is transcluded normally . Theopolisme (talk) 02:10, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

I'm never confused, Theopolisme, just clueless sometimes. :-) My objective was to get the user page out of the speedy delete category, so I kept looking at changes to the page until I found the edit that added the tag and then undid it.--Bbb23 (talk) 22:39, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

Oseodion Aburime

I don't think you were involved in Oseodion Aburime (twice deleted), Christopher Oseodion Aburime I (trice deleted) or the current AfD of Oseodion Aburime, Alex Oriakhi Jr., and Hakeem Olajuwon, so have a look at the same guy in his dictionaries/essays/promoforks Uru Esan ...A Dialect of Bini Language and Ebe Ota ...The Ishan Dictionary. What's the cure? Best, Sam 🎤 12:10, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

It looks like a massive sock puppet farm. I'd ask you to file a report at SPI, but you won't be able to see all of the accounts because many of them are only findable through deleted contributions, which only admins can see. I guess I'll have to do it, but it'll be a lot of work, and I have to connect the dots to get a clerk to endorse a CU. I'll try to do it this weekend. Meanwhile, you can deal with any existing articles as you see fit. Some of them will not be susceptible to speedy deletion, though, and may have to be prodded or AfD'd.

Christo Aburime. Best, Sam 14:41, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/Okoloko. If you have anything to add in the way of evidence (or if I've missed accounts), please do so at SPI. Thanks.--Bbb23 (talk) 15:27, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

Asaram Bapu 31 August 2013

We are nowhere near any solution or consensus. A question has been asked at the talk page, which seems to be an important one. If you have few minutes in hand, can you check it? --Tito☸Dutta 04:34, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

• There is a new reply at my talk page. Not much urgent. But, if you see it first before replying at Asaram Bapu talk, then you might find my post interesting. --Tito☸Dutta 16:25, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
• A summary of issues User:Titodutta/Asaram Bapu (this does not include the talk place comment redaction, which is already being discussed). --Tito☸Dutta 18:55, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

Asaram Bapu

Hi, you have fully protected the Asaram_Bapu page. Could you please move it to semi-protected? I am a non-admin editor and a lot of developments are happening everyday in the rape case against him. I don't know why I am not auto-confirmed. I have been around since 2011 and have 1800+ edits. Could you also help me with that? Thanks :) Noopur28 (talk)

You are autoconfirmed. Why do you think you're not?--Bbb23 (talk) 13:29, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

I hope that comments are allowed when he gets finally questioned, and the judge makes an official statement. (by this way, there was a discussion on Jimbo's talk page about this) --Enric Naval (talk) 14:38, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

Certain kinds of comments won't be allowed until there's a clear consensus about policy. I don't know what you mean by the judge making an "official statement". There are discussions on Jimbo's talk page on just about everything. :-) --Bbb23 (talk) 14:53, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

The judge will say if the charges stick. If they do, he will impute Bapu (in Spanish it's "imputar", I'm not sure if this is the correct word in English). And then you can say that he has been "charged" by the judge. And I think that the judge gives a date for a trial right after imputation, I'm not sure. --Enric Naval (talk) 16:22, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

That won't satisfy BLPCRIME.--Bbb23 (talk) 16:40, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

Common sense says that something which is plastered over many major newspapers clearly is not a BLP violation to be mentioned. The reason this is plastered everywhere is because the person is relatively well known. Accusations against relatively unknown people don't get plastered over many newspapers with the massive coverage this has received. That should be self evident. IRWolfie- (talk) 18:48, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

Regarding your SPI clerk request

I'm happy to take you on as a trainee clerk if you would like me to. Cheers! Reaper Eternal (talk) 18:42, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

That'd be great. Just tell me what I have to do. Just so you know what you're getting into (smile), I can sometimes ask lots of questions. Even good friends of mine think I'm a bit of a pest at times. Regards.--Bbb23 (talk) 18:47, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

Alright, I'll take you on! Please read the guidance page for clerks, and be sure you are familiar with what is and is not abusive sock puppetry. You will probably find the "mark blocked users" script highly useful (see the import from ruwiki on my vector.js page). You will probably also want to use the SPI clerking script (importScript('User:Timotheus Canens/spihelper.js');). I've added your name to the clerk list. Feel free to ask me any questions! Reaper Eternal (talk) 19:19, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

Read the page and added the scripts. Also started a subpage (User:Bbb23/SP clerk duties) just to keep track of what I'm doing. Feel free to edit it if you think it would be helpful - or I could create a talk page for it so we can discuss things there instead of here, up to you. What's my next task?--Bbb23 (talk) 20:13, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

Hey, Reaper, why would I find the ruwiki script useful? See here.--Bbb23 (talk) 23:15, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

Deletion of "Jeffrey Voorhees"

I'm kind of annoyed right now, because I spent quite a while working on that article. Next, Cindamuse put it up for speedy deletion, so I went to contest it on the talk page so I could keep the page alive long enough to explain its notability, and you went ahead and deleted it while I was in the middle of contesting it.

Come on, give me a chance next time. >:/ --Matthew (talk) 18:43, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

Generally, it's not a good idea to move a page into article space until it's ready. However, if you want me to WP:USERFY it for you, I'd be happy to.--Bbb23 (talk) 18:48, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

Please go read WP:BLP

Your removal of reliably sources quotes for discussion on Talk:Asaram Bapu is wildly against policy. Please go read WP:BLP and stop incorrectly citing it as a reason for blatant abuse of people trying to have a useful conversation. Do not do it again. WP:BLP advises that we should delete material that is poorly sourced and negative about BLP subjects. This material is not in any way poorly sourced - it is sourced to multiple reliable sources.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 23:30, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

I've removed it and commented on your talk page.--Bbb23 (talk) 23:36, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

(edit conflict)I'm posting here to make sure you see my response to your message on my talk page. I recommend that you not persist in clearly against-policy removals of reliably sourced information. Before you do so again, at least discuss with me why on earth you think it violates policy to quote from reliable sources. Please cite the specific policy that you have in mind.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 23:37, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

(Addendum post-edit-conflict) I recommend that you restore the information (or else I will, but I will wait a few minutes to give you the opportunity to discuss. I have posted reliably sourced direct quotes from news reports so that editors can discuss how to proceed. There is zero policy basis for your actions. If you think there is, please point to the policy you have in mind - quote specifically please the lines you think are relevant here.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 23:39, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

The facts continue to emerge. The Times of India is now reporting (since my post) that Asaram Bapu has been arrested: Jodhpur police arrest Asaram Bapu from Indore. To quote from this undeniably reliable source, "Controversial godman Asaram Bapu, accused of sexually assaulting a minor, was arrested by Jodhpur police from his ashram here late Saturday night." I'm waiting 15 more minutes, and then I'm restoring and expanding the section of the talk page that you have censored against Misplaced Pages policy. I am still waiting to hear your quotes from policy that led you to think that deleting reliably sourced quotes from the talk page was a wise course of action.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 23:55, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

I have nothing more to say on this topic.--Bbb23 (talk) 00:00, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

Notice

Hello. There is currently a discussion at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is Involved actions and edit warring by User:Bbb23 at Talk:Asaram Bapu. Thank you.  — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:54, 31 August 2013 (UTC)