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Requested move 1

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: Not moved. Jafeluv (talk) 10:08, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

On My Way (Charlie Brown song) → On My Way (song) – None of the songs called "On My Way" have articles. Billboard Man (talk) 02:02, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

• Oppose may different songs are covered as subtopics of their album articles. -- 76.65.128.222 (talk) 03:59, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
• Oppose WP:PDAB, and no evidence of primary topic status provided. Not having a stand-alone article is not evidence of non-notability. —BarrelProof (talk) 05:15, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
  • Objection – If you read WP:PDAB more closely, it says only split up if there's more than one song. Billboard Man (talk) 11:40, 12 July 2013 (UTC)
    • There is more than one song that is available in various different album articles. -- 76.65.128.222 (talk) 02:37, 13 July 2013 (UTC)
  • Plus, look what happened to "Cups". Same situation. Billboard Man (talk) 12:19, 12 July 2013 (UTC)
    • There's no requested move at talk:Cups (song) so where did that decision come from? It's just WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS if there's no discussion on the matter. -- 76.65.128.222 (talk) 02:37, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

Oppose, WP:PDAB is guidance for FURTHER disambiguation, using the words, In such an instance, a more precise qualifier should be used. As the title space is where it is and is not misleading it might as well stay where it is. --Richhoncho (talk) 12:31, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

• Oppose On My Way lists three other songs with en.wp mentions in album articles, plus 4 albums some with more songs by that name. Ambiguous disambiguation isn't helping anyone here. In ictu oculi (talk) 02:19, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

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Requested move 2

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The result of the move request was: move. Indeed, this is the only song of this name with an article. -- tariqabjotu 17:07, 11 August 2013 (UTC)

On My Way (Charlie Brown song) → On My Way (song) – Normally I do not restart move requests, but after what happened with Jack (song) and Best Song Ever (song), I'm redoing this move request. It is the only song called" On My Way" with an article. Billboard Man (talk) 02:11, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

• Oppose WP:OTHERSTUFF -- 76.65.128.222 (talk) 04:39, 30 July 2013 (UTC)
  • Speedy close this was just closed less than a fortnight ago. You can dispute closure of RM1 at WP:MRV with the OTHERSTUFF argument. -- 76.65.128.222 (talk) 04:39, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

What does an invalid AfD argument have to do with anything? --BDD (talk) 16:30, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

• Support per nom. This is indeed the only article we have on a song titled "On My Way", so an {{other uses}} hatnote is the way to deal with this. The previous RM seems to have been an aberration, making the understandable mistake of choosing popular vote over policy. Recent outcomes, such as that at Talk:Best Song Ever (song)#Requested move, support this sort of move, which has the added benefit of more concise titles. Whatever your feelings about WP:PDAB, it's irrelevant here, in the absence of another article about a song titled "On My Way". --BDD (talk) 16:30, 30 July 2013 (UTC)
• Oppose WP:PDAB is only a minimum necessitated by WP:LOCALCONSENSUS problems around the now struck "primary album" mischief, it isn't a maximum. WP:D states that we dab by coverage not by titles, which was the point of "Not having a stand-alone article is not evidence of non-notability" by User:BarrelProof and User:Richhoncho above. And On My Way lists three other songs with en.wp mentions in album articles, plus 4 albums some with more songs by that name. Again. Ambiguous disambiguation isn't helping anyone here. In ictu oculi (talk) 00:30, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

  And On My Way (song) redirect here because...? and a {{redirect}} template is not used in the article because...? Your "We care about readers" speech is boring me more and more, especially when you don't care about them. Tbhotch. Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions. 04:40, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

• Oppose. Nothing has changed since my last comment, not even the guidelines. --Richhoncho (talk) 08:06, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
• Support, not ambiguity in article titles as required by WP:D. Tbhotch. Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions. 04:40, 2 August 2013 (UTC)
• Support – This is the only notable song called "On My Way" to have its own song page on Misplaced Pages. 68.44.51.49 (talk) 02:41, 4 August 2013 (UTC)
• Support - This is the only song article by the title "On My Way" and therefore should be located at On My Way (song). WP:PDAB should not be taken into account because the parenthetical qualifier is not still ambiguous. WP:PDAB is for albums/singles/films/books' articles that have the same name. Since there is no other song article with the same name as this song, this level of disambiguation is not needed. A hatnote could be added "For other songs name On My Way" with a link to the section at On My Way. Aspects (talk) 22:15, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

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Reaction to move result of requested move 2

That was unexpected. I can only refer to my prior remark: "Not having a stand-alone article is not evidence of non-notability." There are four other songs with this title that are identified at On My Way, so On My Way (song) seems highly ambiguous. —BarrelProof (talk) 17:42, 11 August 2013 (UTC)

I agree, this was nuts. I've added to the disambig page the other three songs by the same name mentioned in WP articles; the fact that they don't have standalone articles does not make the title less ambiguous, except in the narrow minds of followers of User:Born2cycle who think that ambiguity has no meaning other than WP article name conflict. Dicklyon (talk) 21:49, 11 August 2013 (UTC)

After a look at the article, I also see that it has no sources that establish notability. No sources discuss the song. All the sources are just chart lists that happen to include this song in the list (or are dead links or the song's video on Youtube or the artist's general web site which contains no obvious mention of the song). I have therefore tagged the article with a notability template. See also WP:Notability (music) and WP:NSONG. I've also started discussing the situation on the closer's Talk page. —BarrelProof (talk) 22:50, 11 August 2013 (UTC)

Wow. I have five followers out of the seven participating in this discussion alone! So per this sample about 70% of the community are "followers of User:Born2cycle who think recognize that ambiguity has no meaning other than WP article name conflict", as stated in the first sentence of WP:D. --B2C 06:27, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

• BarrelProof, you're correct that not having a standalone article is not evidence of non-notability, but neither can we presume notability where it hasn't been demonstrated. If you object to these sorts of moves, your time may be better spent developing articles on list items, demonstrating the notability thereof, than simply arguing for your interpretation of WP:D. All hail B2C! --BDD (talk) 16:28, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
• Comment only. I am not surprised by the result, the fact that it was the wrong result is beyond debate. The supporters of the move rely on two assumptions that cannot be sustained, that WP:RECENT does not apply and that anybody looking for a song called "On My Way" will only be interested in the Charlie Brown single. Neither assumption allows for anybody searching for a song that was NOT recorded by the aforesaid CB and this is a song recorded by CB, so Charlie Brown song is factual and not in anyway misleading. But the present title... I daresay there are other items in the world that use the very common phrase "On My Way" which was never considered above. Those complaining after the event should have arrived on time and perhaps we can stop these expletive deleted useless moves once and forever. Cheers. --Richhoncho (talk) 22:42, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

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