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There is a moderated discussion taking place on this sub-page which is aiming to get consensus on a broadly stable and balanced version of the article so it can be unlocked and returned to open editing. The discussion is open to all, and more participants are welcome. SilkTork 22:52, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

Targeting by IRS

I saw the breaking story today about the Internal Revenue Service improperly targeting Tea Party groups for scrutiny (Washington Post. New York Times). In what section of the article should this be covered - "Commentary by the Obama administration"? Kelly 23:03, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

Should be under a section "Relationship with the IRS" to be absolutely NPOV, I suspect. Collect (talk) 23:12, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

More news today that senior IRS officials were aware, from the Associated Press. Kelly 20:54, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

doesn't really seem significant.Cramyourspam (talk) 22:16, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
Major coverage indicates it should be covered here -- see the NYT columns on it. This is not a trivial event. Collect (talk) 23:20, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

It appears that someone has created an article - IRS Tea Party investigation. Should it be summarized into a section here? Kelly 23:14, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

We are conducting a survey of editors to determine consensus for adding a section to the article mainspace to cover this. Survey is here: below. Your participation would be appreciated. Phoenix and Winslow (talk) 20:44, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

Survey

I propose adding the following section to the main article mainspace, directly beneath the "Current Status" subsection of the "History" section:

===IRS 'harassment' of Tea Party groups===
In May 2013, the Associated Press and The New York Times reported that the Internal Revenue Service inappropriately "flagged" Tea Party groups and other conservative groups for review of their applications for tax-exempt status during the 2012 election. This led to both political and public condemnation of the agency, and triggered multiple investigations.
Some groups were asked for donor lists, which is usually a violation of IRS policy. Groups were also asked for details about family members and about their postings on social networking sites. Lois Lerner, head of the IRS division that oversees tax-exempt groups, apologized on behalf of the IRS and stated, "That was wrong. That was absolutely incorrect, it was insensitive and it was inappropriate." Testifying before Congress in March 2012, IRS Commissioner Douglas Shulman denied that the groups were being targeted based on their political views.
Tom Zawistowski, who served as president of an Ohio coalition of Tea Party groups, said, "I don't think there's any question we were unfairly targeted." Zawistowski's group applied for tax-exempt status in July 2009, but it wasn't granted until December 2012, one month after the election. Lerner stated that about 300 groups were "flagged" for additional review, and about one quarter of these were due to the use of "tea party" or "patriot" in their applications. Jenny Beth Martin, national coordinator for Tea Party Patriots, called on the Obama Administration to apologize to these groups for "harassment by the IRS in 2012," and "ensure this never happens again."
Senator Orrin Hatch of Utah, the ranking Republican on the Senate Finance Committee, rejected the apology as insufficient, demanding “ironclad guarantees from the I.R.S. that it will adopt significant protocols to ensure this kind of harassment of groups that have a constitutional right to express their own views never happens again.”
  1. Altman, Alex (2013-05-14). "The Real IRS Scandal | TIME.com". Swampland.time.com. Retrieved 2013-05-14.
  2. ^ Ohlemacher, Stephen. IRS Apologizes For Targeting Conservative Groups. Associated Press, May 10, 2013.
  3. ^ Weisman, Jonathan. "I.R.S. Apologizes to Tea Party Groups Over Audits of Applications for Tax Exemption." The New York Times, May 10, 2013.
We already have a mainspace article on it — IRS Tea Party investigation — and we should do a "main article" hatnote with link at the top of this new subsection. Phoenix and Winslow (talk) 20:37, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
  • Support and it should include the comments by Axelrod that the government is "too big" for Obama to be aware of everything. Malke 2010 (talk) 21:07, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
  • Comment It would have been helpful to provide links to the sources sited. Also it is not necessary to provide in-text mention of sources of facts. Words in 'scare quotes' should not be used in headings, since they raise the question of who is using the term. Comparing the text with a summary provided by the CSM, I find a few apparent inaccuracies in the text. The IRS did not flag the 75 groups for review of their tax-exempt status. Instead they flagged new applications for tax-exempt status for new Tea Party groups formed in the run-up to the 2012 election. Groups whose main activity is support of political candidates and parties are ineligible for tax-exempt status. The CSM does not say that asking for donor lists is a "violation of IRS policy", just that it is not typically required. I do not see either the need to quote so many people. Just citing Republican and Tea Party sources makes it appear that they are the only ones who hold that opinion. Why not just summarize the general reaction to the story - that the IRS has abused its power by failing to be "nonpolitical, nonpartisan and neutral." TFD (talk) 21:13, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
TFD, inline citations were provided; quotes from conservatives and apologies from IRS executives are the only quotes I can find, although Axelrod's statement that "the government is so big, Obama can't be aware of everything" would be appropriate, don't you think? That seems to be the only quote from a notable progressive that's available. And according to the AP, asking for donor lists is a violation of IRS policy. In the first paragraph, I've added the words "applications for" (boldfaced above) so that it reads, "applications for tax-exempt status." Phoenix and Winslow (talk) 21:44, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
Here are "popped out" links to the three sources cited for TFD to review: Associated PressThe New York TimesTIME magazine. regards .... Phoenix and Winslow (talk) 21:48, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
The preceding was copied from the moderated discussion. Additional "votes" may be added below. Phoenix and Winslow (talk) 21:44, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

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It's been nearly two weeks since there was any activity in the preceding discussion regarding the proposed new section on "IRS harassment," so I suggest that we have consensus and the proposed edit is uncontroversial. Please add the material to the article mainspace, below the "Current Status" subsection of the "History" section. Also: We already have a mainspace article on it — IRS Tea Party investigation — and we should do a "main article" hatnote with link at the top of this new subsection. Thanks ... Phoenix and Winslow (talk) 01:39, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

 Done, with no prejudice against further tweaks if there is consensus for them. Thanks for your work. — Mr. Stradivarius 02:29, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

12 May edit request

If you would please be so kind:

  • In the "Leadership and groups" section, IMHO the organization "non-section" headings should be in sentence case (e.g., "501(c)(4) non-profit organizations" and "For-profit businesses" for the current "501(c)(4) Non-Profit Organizations" and "For-Profit Businesses", etc.).
  • In the same section "The Nationwide Tea Party Coalition" external link should be converted to a reference.
  • In the "Public opinion" section's subsection titles ("2010 Polling" and "2012 Polling"), change the word "Polling" to "polling" (sentence case, as above).
  • In the "Use of term "teabagger"" subsection, delete the double quotation marks bracketing A Way with Words, as the title is (properly) already italicized.
  • Lastly, I suggest changing the {{Portal}} template to a {{Portal box}} template and moving it to the bottom of the "See also" section, as it currently is impinging on the "References" section (at least, in my browser).
DocWatson42 (talk) 04:10, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
All done. SilkTork 22:45, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
Thank you. However, I made a mistake. -_-;;; When I wrote "{{Portal box}} template", I meant "{{Portal bar}} template"; also, portals belong in the "See also", not the "External links" section, per WP:ALSO.—DocWatson42 (talk) 06:42, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
Hello?—DocWatson42 (talk) 23:23, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

The article will be unlocked soon. I will take a look at the situation tomorrow, and if it looks OK probably unlock then. SilkTork 02:09, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

Ah—okay. Thanks. ^_^—DocWatson42 (talk) 05:11, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 28 May 2013

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Howdy. Could someone please change the text for the last ref of the first paragraph in the article from:
<ref name="sfexaminer">{{Cite news |url=http://www.sfexaminer.com/opinion/Tea-parties-are-flash-crowds-Obama-should-fear-41547632.html |title=Tea parties are flash crowds Obama should fear |date=March 19, 2009 |newspaper=] |first=Mark |last=Tapscott |accessdate=June 16, 2009}}{{dead link|date=August 2011}}</ref>
to:
<ref name="sfexaminer">{{Cite news |url=http://www.sfexaminer.com/opinion/Tea-parties-are-flash-crowds-Obama-should-fear-41547632.html |title=Tea parties are flash crowds Obama should fear |date=March 19, 2009 |newspaper=] |first=Mark |last=Tapscott |accessdate=June 16, 2009 |archiveurl=http://web.archive.org/web/20090419142317/http://www.sfexaminer.com/opinion/Tea-parties-are-flash-crowds-Obama-should-fear-41547632.html |archivedate=April 19, 2009 |deadurl=yes}}</ref>
--Rockfang (talk) 17:20, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

 Done --Redrose64 (talk) 18:16, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

hemming and hawing

instead of that, say that there's ...no officially sanctioned central leader — Preceding unsigned comment added by 140.247.25.6 (talk) 18:21, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

Edit request - dubious phrase in Use of term "teabagger" section

I looked at the first part of this section and came across:

The term teabagger was initially used to refer to Tea Partiers after conservatives used tea bag as a verb on protest signs and websites. Members of the movement adopted the term, and referred to themselves as teabaggers. Shortly thereafter, however, others outside the movement began to use the term mockingly, alluding to the sexual connotation of the term when referring to Tea Party protesters. Most conservatives do not, for the most part, use the term with its double entendre meaning; rather it seems the political left has adopted the joke.

References

  1. "Scenes from the New American Tea Party" Washington Independent, February 27, 2009; Retrieved April 24, 2010.
  2. Alex Koppelman Your guide to teabagging Salon.com; April 14, 2009
  3. The evolution of the word 'tea bagger'; The Week; May 5, 2010

Now, looking at that and the sources given, this part of that section is true: "conservatives used tea bag as a verb on protest signs and websites"; but nowhere is there any evidence for this sentence: "Members of the movement adopted the term, and referred to themselves as teabaggers." They used the term (one article says "innocently embraced the term"), but nowhere do these articles say they referred to themselves as teabaggers; they used teabag as a verb to refer to others and as a form of protest (e.g. "sending tea bags to elected officials", "Tea bag the fools in DC").

I thus recommend that the whole sentence "Members of the movement adopted the term, and referred to themselves as teabaggers" be removed, or a source be adduced as proof. TuckerResearch (talk) 05:22, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

Yet another example where the text of the article doesn't reflect what the cited references say.--Ubikwit見学/迷惑 09:52, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
  • Misplaced Pages has some editors who will intentionally game the system as a means to disparage their political opposition. They will waste hours of your time protecting their properly sourced additions while totally disregarding notability, NPOV and weight concerns. Eventually, this pattern of disruptive behavior leads to edit-warring and the article becomes even more damaged in the fog of war. It's a sad thing, but what can you do? TETalk 11:57, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
ThinkEnemies, those are edits of mine to which you have linked. In what way is there "gaming of the system"? The edits were made in compliance not only with WP:RS, but also with "notability"{sic}, NPOV and WP:WEIGHT. I'd really like an answer to that. I have no "political opposition", by the way - I'm not a politician. Your use of terms like "opposition" and "disparage" don't make sense here (although I do find it informative when you, and certain others, repeatedly use such verbiage). Instead of trying to assign some nefarious hidden motive to my edits, why not just look at the edit that preceded mine by just minutes? It adds this text to the "Teabagger" section: Conservative members of the party do not use term, rather the left has adopted the term as a joke. I saw that edit and immediately knew it contradicted the cited sources, so I added clarifying text and sources that TPers did use the phrase, do use the phrase and even want to reclaim the phrase. So I wasn't pushing a POV, I was undoing someone elses POV edit to bring the article back into NPOV compliance with what reliable sources convey. Xenophrenic (talk) 18:43, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
Hey folks, I don't know what y'all are bickering about, but my concern still stands. (And I don't care who put it in or why, or who does or doesn't have an ax to grind. User:Xenophrenic, the diff User:ThinkEnemies linked to doesn't have you sticking in the phrase I find offending, so I don't know why he referenced that diff.) The sources are correct for the other sentences, but, as it stands the "Members of the movement ...referred to themselves as teabaggers" part is false. They never referred to themselves as teabaggers, though they did use the verb. So can we get back on point and stop pointing fingers. Either find a reliable source or remove the un-factual sentence. (The part "Members of the movement adopted the term" can stay, I guess, though I think it's unclear, but I still can't find a reliable source that shows "Members of the movement ...referred to themselves as teabaggers.") TuckerResearch (talk) 21:16, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
I think that text was considered supported by the "The Week" piece. If not, it shouldn't be hard to dig up other sources. , It's also possible that editors consider use of "teabag/teabagger/teabagging" in its sexual connotation to be generally the same thing. Regards, Xenophrenic (talk) 04:01, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
Good, you found a source. Could someone then put one of those sources in after that sentence? And, to forestall any future problems, could someone make the sentence: "Members of the movement adopted the term, and some referred to themselves as teabaggers."? (If this page was unlocked, I'd've stuck a "citation needed" tag on the sentence.) TuckerResearch (talk) 07:29, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
When this article is unlocked, much will be fixed. TETalk 14:45, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
I'm only concerned with that one sentence I thought dubious. The two new sources User:Xenophrenic found (listed above) are proof enough to me that some Tea Partiers at first used the term to refer to themselves. (And, I think it's apparent that some Tea Partiers used the term as a verb, cognizant and incognizant of its disparaging meaning.) I do agree with you, however, that most media outlets and liberal commentators who use the phrase aren't doing it innocently, and not just humorously, but in a derogatory manner.
I would thus recommend the following for this section (if some damned administrator will ever do it or unlock the page—the length of this "protection" seems egregious to me):

The term teabagger was initially used to refer to Tea Partiers after conservatives used tea bag as a verb on protest signs and websites. Some members of the movement adopted the term, and a few others referred to themselves as "teabaggers." Shortly thereafter, however, news media and progressive commentators outside the movement began to use the term mockingly and derisively, alluding to the sexual connotation of the term when referring to Tea Party protesters. Most conservatives do not use the term with its double entendre meaning; rather it seems the political left has adopted the derogatory joke. It has been used by several media outlets to humorously refer to Tea Party-affiliated protestors. Some conservatives have advocated that the non-vulgar meaning of the word be reclaimed. Grant Barrett, co-host of the A Way with Words radio program, has listed teabagger as a 2009 buzzword meaning, "a derogatory name for attendees of Tea Parties, probably coined in allusion to a sexual practice".

References

  1. Nussbaum, David (14 Apr 2010). "I'm Proud to Be a Tea Bagger". Breitbart.com: Big Government. Retrieved 2013-06-06.
  2. Weigel, David (10 November 2009). "The Slur That Must Not Be Named". The Washington Independent. Retrieved 2013-06-06.
  3. ^ "The evolution of the word 'tea bagger'". The Week. 5 May 2010. Retrieved 2013-06-06.
  4. Weigel, David (27 February 2009). "Scenes from the New American Tea Party". The Washington Independent. Retrieved 2013-06-06.
  5. Koppelman, Alex (14 April 2009). "Your guide to teabagging". Salon.com. Retrieved 2013-06-06.
  6. "Cable Anchors, Guests Use Tea Parties as Platform for Frat House Humor". FOX News. April 7, 2010. Retrieved September 9, 2010.
  7. Leibovich, Mark (19 December 2009). "The Buzzwords of 2009". The New York Times. Retrieved 2013-06-06. {{cite news}}: Unknown parameter |coauthors= ignored (|author= suggested) (help)
How's that? Fair enough for all sides? (I've also spruced up the citations, using proper citation templates.) TuckerResearch (talk) 23:36, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
Why not just say that the term "teabagger" is sometimes used as a disparaging term for Tea Party supporters? None of the rest of it seems important. TFD (talk) 23:59, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
Well TFD, it seems all fringe opinions need their place. Encyclopedic value is in trivial details. TETalk 01:16, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

User:Tuckerresearch Those sources don't even try to make a case that Tea Partiers first called themselves "teabaggers." Using "Tea Bag" as a verb definitely opened them up to ridicule and should be noted. TETalk 01:49, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

User:The Four Deuces, I think it's best to talk about the origin, evolution, and use of the term, rather than just mention it. User:ThinkEnemies, I don't believe this is trivia. And, I believe that the section as it now stands is incorrect, and the change I am proposing makes it correct. As it stands now, there is no source and it seems as if all Tea Partiers once called themselves Tea Baggers. This is demonstrably false. But User:Xenophrenic has found proper sources for the contention that at least some Tea Partiers called themselves "Teabaggers." Now, I do agree with your contentions that liberals mock Tea Partiers with the term, and they are trying to absolve themselves of blame for being sophomoric name-callers by pointing out it's prior use, but I think the section as I've re-written it is factually correct. If you have any sources or suggestions for ensuring people know that most Tea Partiers do not use the term, I welcome that and I'd incorporate it. Also, how about I change the sentence, "Shortly thereafter, however, news media and progressive commentators outside the movement began..." to "News media and progressive commentators outside the movement began..."? TuckerResearch (talk) 02:07, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
No, those sources show a knee-jerk reaction by a conservative to own the derogatory term less than a week later. It should go something like cons used verb, libs ridiculed them, cons offended, few on both sides tried to spin it, nobody cares in the long run. Done. TETalk 02:17, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
User:ThinkEnemies, find me some sources showing the timeline as you surmise. As the paragraph stands as I've re-written it, it's factually correct, even if your proposed timeline is correct. And you really can't dispute that. (And before you accuse me of anything, I'm a conservative; and, remember, I started this section because I believed there was no proof any Tea Partier ever called themselves a Tea Bagger. I was mistaken. And, PS, you're right, there is a systematic liberal bias on Misplaced Pages, because most of it's editors are liberal. I mean, just compare this article to the Occupy movement article, or the Obama article to Bush's....) TuckerResearch (talk) 02:34, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
User:Tuckerresearch, Sentence 2 is factually incorrect. Never happened. Not before David Wiegel snapped the 'tea bag them before they tea bag you' picture and Maddow, Olbermann, Cooper, etc., started with the double entendre stuff a week or two later. That's when "teabagger" was born. Everything after is based on reactions to the usage of the slur. What's notable. Then it's pretty well dead and on next section. I haven't looked for sources. Maybe once this page get unlocked I'll find the inspiration. No pending changes for me. TETalk 02:52, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
User:ThinkEnemies, I just decided to tell you what side I'm on since you seem to jump all over people for being on the other side. (So don't get all high-and-mighty with me.) And, I'm sorry, but "Some members of the movement adopted the term, and a few others referred to themselves as 'teabaggers'" is a correct sentence whether you like it or not, whether Wigel snapped a picture or not and whether Maddow is a bitch or not. Did "some members of the movement adopt the term"? Yep. Whether wittingly or unwittingly. Did some "refer to themselves as 'teabaggers'"? Yep. Whether they were cognizant or incognizant of the term's sexual connotation; and whether they were using it ironically. So, I'm sorry: the second sentence as I've suggested it is factually correct. In deference to your entirely plausible (and probably factually correct contention) with the timeline of events, I took out the "shortly thereafter" bit. And, finally, if you don't care about this, and you don't care about that, and if you're so uninspired, why are you picking fights with me about about something you don't care about? TuckerResearch (talk) 03:11, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
Still factually incorrect. I'm just telling you. "Teabagger" was first used to ridicule. Maybe a few cons tried to spin it, "yeah I'm a teabagger, what of it?" "Yeah, they call it Obamacare. I like that. Obama CARES." You will not find a source to say otherwise. If it existed, the echo chamber wouldn't need a sign and "Tea Bag DC" campaign as "they started it." TETalk 03:20, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
Sorry. Still factually true. Even if a liberal used teabagger first, when some Tea Partier used it ("Yeah I'm a teabagger, what of it?"; "Tea bag DC before DC tea bags you!") mockingly, ironically, unwittingly, trying to own it, whatever, then "Some members of the movement adopted the term, and a few others referred to themselves as 'teabaggers'" is a true sentence. TuckerResearch (talk) 03:28, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
Even if notable enough to add the "own it" people, that comes after media established it and cons condemned it. I'm sure Breitbart is part of both, first condemning and then trying to rally behind it. Still, as it stands, sentence 2 is factually incorrect. TETalk 03:36, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

LOL, I just checked Occupy Wall Street and Occupy Movement. Not protected, not even semi-protection. Does that show how civil liberals are or how civil they're not? I'm going with the latter. TETalk 03:07, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

Totally agree with you. To quote William F. Buckley: "Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views." TuckerResearch (talk) 03:11, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
True. TETalk 03:21, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

In light of all the above comments, and the limited notability of the term (except as a derogatory attack or form of mockery by opponents), I suggest cutting down the length of that paragraph and moving it to the sub-article we are creating. It should be added at the end of that article, in a new section.

The term "teabagger" was used after a protester was photographed with a placard using "tea bag" as a verb, referring to the practice of mailing tea bags to legislators as a form of tax protest. Those opposed to the movement started using the sexually-charged term "teabagger" shortly thereafter. It is routinely used by opponents as a derogatory term to refer to conservative protestors. The New York Times describes the word as "a derogatory name for attendees of Tea Parties, probably coined in allusion to a sexual practice".

Thoughts and comments, please. regards .... Phoenix and Winslow (talk) 20:33, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

Edit request -- add a picture of Allen West to the "racism" section

For example this one. It makes a key point quite eloquently.William Jockusch (talk) 15:31, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

Allen West
The more I think about this, the more I like it. TuckerResearch (talk) 03:34, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

Influence of Koch Industries

Main article: Political activities of the Koch brothers

Only one(1) mention of Tea Party movement in main article, and it's how organizations founded by the Kochs before the Tea Party movement, have become part of the movement.

Does this deserve a sub-section, really? TETalk 20:17, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

We need to explain in the article the influence of corporate interests in some Tea Party organizations. It might be helpful to combine them, and then there would be no need to link to the other article. TFD (talk) 00:02, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
Funny, corporate and union dollars need to be out of politics. No argument there. TETalk 01:13, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

Edit Request - Misleading sentence not in citation

In the intro section last paragraph states 'By 2001, a custom had developed among some conservative activists of mailing tea bags to legislators and other officials as a symbolic act.'

This is referenced as from http://articles.latimes.com/2001/jul/23/news/mn-25661

From the article itself this is the part that spawned the above sentence:

Phil Valentine, 42, is a sometime actor, sometime singer and a guy who likes to dress up like Elvis and pass out doughnuts on the streets of Nashville. His afternoon talk show on WLAC is ranked No. 1 in the market. The two use unorthodox methods--like steering protesters to lawmakers' homes and telling listeners to mail their legislators used tea bags. (The Boston Tea Party, get it?) They see themselves as a conservative counterweight to a typically liberal media.'

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Not sure why this sentencebelongs in the intro section, but even if its kept, lets at least change the sentence to something that remotely resembles the source.

My suggestion:

An Elvis impersonator and radio talk-show host in Nashville encouraged listeners to mail used tea bags to their legislators in 2001 to counterweight the typically liberal media.

Cheers! Meishern (talk) 07:30, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

the King has nothing to do with this article, thank you very mush. Phil is many things, no reason to include them all here. It would be like describing Elvis as a Federal Agent and singer. Elvis Meets Nixon. the article title, Talk Radio Thwarts Tennessee Income Tax. , not pretend Elvis goes to Washington... Darkstar1st (talk) 08:05, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
Yet another example where the text of the article doesn't reflect what the cited references say.--Ubikwit見学/迷惑 08:18, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
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