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Did You Know?

1921 Centre vs. Harvard football game DYK

On 12 August, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article 1921 Centre vs. Harvard football game, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Congratulations! PeterSymonds (talk) 15:37, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

--Whoo-hoo!!!--Paul McDonald (talk) 15:48, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Robert Park (football coach)

On 23 August, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Robert Park (football coach), which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 06:50, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for creating this article! As an unofficial church historian, I have plenty of sources about RP ministers, but I never knew he was a coach until after I saw the article. Nyttend (talk) 19:06, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Funny! I never knew he was a minister until you added the info!--Paul McDonald (talk) 21:32, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Jake High

A fact from Paulmcdonald appeared on Misplaced Pages's Main Page in the Did you know column on 20 June 2010 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows: Did you know... that football coach Jake High has both the highest winning percentage (.778) in the history of Wesleyan football and the lowest percentage (.000) in the history of NYU football? A record of the entry may be seen at Misplaced Pages:Recent additions/2010/June.

DYK for Jim Harkema

On 16 January 2011, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Jim Harkema, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that despite coaching the only bowl game win and only 10-win season in school history, Jim Harkema resigned as head coach of the Eastern Michigan Eagles football team with a losing record? You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Materialscientist (talk) 18:19, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Ernest P. Goodrich

On 17 January 2011, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Ernest P. Goodrich, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that Ernest P. Goodrich was the third head coach of the Michigan State Normal football team and the first president of the Institute of Traffic Engineers, both of which have since changed their names? You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 00:08, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Elmer Mitchell

On 27 January 2011, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Elmer Mitchell, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that Elmer Mitchell (pictured) boasts the highest winning percentage in the history of Eastern Michigan Eagles men's basketball and is considered the father of intramural sports? You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

—HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 06:02, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Tony Lombardi

On 29 January 2011, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Tony Lombardi, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that Tony Lombardi, who took over when Rick Rasnick was fired, was the head coach of the Eastern Michigan Eagles football team for just five days? You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

—HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 06:04, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Rick Rasnick

On 29 January 2011, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Rick Rasnick, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that Tony Lombardi, who took over when Rick Rasnick was fired, was the head coach of the Eastern Michigan Eagles football team for just five days? You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

—HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 06:04, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

DYK for List of Eastern Michigan Eagles head football coaches

On 29 January 2011, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article List of Eastern Michigan Eagles head football coaches, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that Tony Lombardi, who took over when Rick Rasnick was fired, was the head coach of the Eastern Michigan Eagles football team for just five days? You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

—HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 06:05, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

Cleanups

Yes, some people archive. I am not one of them. Please don't take offense: if you want to review an old discussion, feel free check out the page history (and yes, I only keep the stuff I wanna keep--hey, it's my talk page...). I do keep relevant discussions for as long as they are... well... relevant.--Paul McDonald (talk) 16:30, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

(dead discussions removed) 21 Dec 2007--Paul McDonald (talk) 15:51, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

(dead discussions removed 9 Jan 2008)--Paul McDonald (talk) 21:59, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

(dead discussions removed 21 May 2008)--Paul McDonald (talk) 20:52, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

(dead discussions removed 25 August 2008)--Paul McDonald (talk) 16:36, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

(dead discussions removed 30 October 2008)--Paul McDonald (talk) 20:18, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

(dead discussions removed 12 December 2008) --Paul McDonald (talk) 16:30, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

(dead discussions removed 10 February 2010) --Paul McDonald (talk) 23:07, 10 February 2010 (UTC)-

(dead discussions removed 1 July 2010) --Paul McDonald (talk) 14:22, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

(dead discussions removed 20 July 2010) --Paul McDonald (talk) 21:30, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

(dead discussions removed 25 November 2010)--Paul McDonald (talk) 23:09, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

(dead discussions removed 12 January 2012)--Paul McDonald (talk) 16:36, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

(dead discussions removed 4 April 2012)--Paul McDonald (talk) 10:36, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

(dead discussions removed 23 February 2013)--Paul McDonald (talk) 14:04, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

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Harry Buck

If you're interested, Harry Buck has lots of Google hits and could be expanded. Harry Crowe Buck was the full name. – Connormah (talk) 04:40, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks! I'll look into it!--Paul McDonald (talk) 11:36, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

Another one, Dewey King - he was the "DeWayne King" that coached at SJ State from 1970 to 1972...could you sort the infobox out when you get the time? – Connormah (talk) 05:32, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

Continuing on with the Kansas coaches, I believe Charles Erickson and Dee Errikson were the same person as well... – Connormah (talk) 23:51, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks! Feel free to keep posting these ideas here for now. --Paul McDonald (talk) 01:18, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

DONE E. C. Gallagher is Edward C. Gallagher per http://bakertrack.wordpress.com/19-2/ – Connormah (talk) 06:11, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

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Coach bios, etc

Paul, I see you're back at creating more college football coach biographies. Good stuff. I want to point out a few items:

• In the name field of infoboxes, the subject's common name (i.e. article name minus any parenthetical disambiguation) should appear. Additional nicknames or initials should be omitted. The same is true in lists of coaches, in coach navboxes, and generally anywhere a given person is referenced. Pretty much always go by the common name. Full names, initials, and nicknames should indeed be noted in the lead of the subject's bio article.
• Your standard stub-out includes the phrase "...was an American football coach in the United States." I used to make the same sort of practice, but got some feedback from guys like Dirtlawyer1 and Cbl62 that this was redundant. At this point I agree with them. I think we can assume, unless otherwise noted, than any American football player or coach is an American citizen playing or coaching in the US. So the phrase "in the United States" can be dropped.
• The lead ought to also note head coaching tenures. Simply saying the guy was a football coach is a little sparse, even for an initial stub.
• Let's take a quick look at one of your standard sentences, e.g. "Turnbull was the first head college football coach for the Wheaton Thunder located in Wheaton, Illinois." There are couple problems here. First, the phrase "head college football coach" is stilted and overstated. Turnbull was the "first head football coach" at Wheaton. That's all you need. Wheaton is a college. They don't play high school or pro football. College football is all they have ever played. Second, the construction "Wheaton Thunder" is not good form. It's an over-packing of wikilinks. This should all read something like, "Turnbull was the first head football coach at Wheaton College in Wheaton, Illinois." Then, after that, you could delve into more detail and work a link in directly to Wheaton Thunder football.
• In navboxes there's no need to use "{{PAGENAME}}" as sort key. Totally obsolete code.
• In general I think it's preferable to write endashes with wiki markup, rather than in the HTML code (–). This make things more efficient and cleaner in the edit view.
• It would also be great if you could use standard spacing in instance sof Template:Infobox college coach so that the equal signs all line up. Again, this make things much cleaner in the edit view.

Let me know if you have any thoughts or questions about stuff. Thanks again and all the best, Jweiss11 (talk) 03:08, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

Great points all around. I've been getting ready to sit down and scrub up my tool that I use to create the templates. It might seem kind of corny, but I have an Excel workbook that I use to make a "skeleton article" and then go back and add details as I find them. It's really handy, but it isn't perfect. I really appreciate how you've batted clean-up for me on what I've been doing!--Paul McDonald (talk) 11:36, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, you mentioned the Excel template before. Not corny at all. I like the idea of efficiency. I'm pretty good with Excel, so let me know if I can help with that template. Jweiss11 (talk) 15:05, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

I'm working on a new template and will start with List of Northern Colorado Bears head football coaches. I think I need to finish up Sterling and Wheaton with the current version.--Paul McDonald (talk) 18:27, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

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A barnstar for you!

		The Guidance Barnstar
		Paul, I was just looking through some of my earliest contributions for fun, and was surprised at how many times your name came up. I was truly clueless, and you were probably as patient as anyone could have been, and for that I realized I've never thanked you. Thanks to you, I try to return the favor to new users with whom I interact by embodying the same patience (admittedly though, I am not always as successful). You planted a seed in me, and did not give up on me. For that, I award you the guidance barnstar and sincerely thank you for yoru assistance. Forever grateful, Go Phightins! 02:37, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar? For me? Cool! This is ridiculous, everybody over to my place! Party time! And thank you much!--Paul McDonald (talk) 03:16, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

Should I bring the booze!? NFLisAwesome 17:29, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

CompDude13

He's a serial sock under community ban and I've been reverting his edits on sight. (That's okay for banned users, and he's so prolific there's no way to assess every edit.) If you ever want to restore anything else of his that I've reverted, it'll be fine with me! JohnInDC (talk) 03:10, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

A friend of mine is fond of saying, "Even a blind squirrel can find a nut" -- the color changes for Pitt State are, to my untrained eye, much more accurate than the originals I selected. Thanks for heads-up thought!--Paul McDonald (talk) 13:39, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

I was going to quote that exact aphorism but was typing on an iPad and didn't want to peck out an explanation that made it clear I wasn't somehow talking about you! Thanks for supplying it for me - JohnInDC (talk) 15:46, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

A question about the notability of E. R. Cowell

Good afternoon, Paulmcdonald. I see that you created the article for the college football coach, E. R. Cowell. Since you are the author of the article and since you are clearly an expert on the topic of college football, could you explain to me why Mr. Cowell is notable enough to be the subject of his own article? As of writing this, there are three reliable sources used as references for the article but none of them included non-trivial information about Mr. Cowell. It appears to me that this information would be more useful in the List of Sterling Warriors head football coaches and does not warrant its own article. Do you agree? Kind regards, Matt (talk) 02:11, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

Generally we have found that head college football coaches at any level turn out to be notable, as outlined at the essay WP:CFBCOACH. But to provide a bit more detail, at the time (1926-1927) there were no "divisions" in sports so he was the head coach of a team at the highest level of college football. Further, the NFL was just in its infancy and was little more than a regional initiative. This was without a doubt the highest level of the expression of the sport at the time. It seems the server is down at the College Football Data Warehouse, so I don't have much reference at this moment to look up the teams that they played those years. It's likely that they played games against Kansas State Wildcats, Kansas Jayhawks, and possibly Oklahoma Sooners. College football was a much different beast back then.--Paul McDonald (talk) 02:20, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

Good morning, Paulmcdonald. Thanks for getting back to me. And thank you for directing me to the essay about the notability of college football coaches. I'm going to read through various opinions about notability mentioned in the supplied pages and related AfD discussions and will/might get back to you. I can see that you are a strong proponent of the idea that all of these coaches are notable, but I am not convinced that these people meet the standard of having "significant coverage" about them. As I mentioned earlier, the only references of Mr. Cowell are trivial inclusions in statistical lists. I would not consider that to be "significant coverage". That being said, keep up the good work. Kind regards, Matt (talk) 21:23, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

You are welcome. I take no offense to notability discussions on articles I create. If you disagree with me, be bold and say so. I don't bite. I might snark from time to time... it's a personal fault...--Paul McDonald (talk) 21:41, 8 April 2013 (UTC)