| Revision as of 02:18, 23 January 2013 editBigBabyChips (talk | contribs)805 edits There is an obvious NPOV issue at hand, and issues involving slandering living persons do not apply under 3RR← Previous edit | Revision as of 02:37, 23 January 2013 edit undoSummerPhD (talk | contribs)Extended confirmed users, Rollbackers91,322 edits →BLP exception to 3RR: new sectionNext edit → | ||
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| == BLP exception to 3RR == | |||
| Re : Yes, there is an exception to ] related to ]. However, there are two significant reasons this does not apply to the material you are removing. | |||
| *1) The material is '''''NOT''''' making contentious claims about identifiable living persons. Yes, most Juggalos involved are likely living. But, we have not labeled any individual person as a criminal/gang member/murderer/drug dealer/whatever. "Some people who live in New York City are gang members" is not a BLP issue (in addition to being obviously true) because we have not said "John Smith and Jane Doe are gang members." | |||
| *2) The material is ''very'' well sourced. We are saying the FBI, various states, etc. have classified them as a criminal street gang. This is clearly true: The FBI '''''absolutely, positively, without any reasonable doubt''''' has said the Juggalos are "a loosely-organized hybrid gang". Whether or not Juggalos are a gang, the FBI '''''has'''''' said they are. | |||
| <small>Incidentally, we are not "slandering" anyone. Slander is spoken. You mean "libel". That we have not said anything about any individuals, though, it isn't libel either.</small> - ] (]) 02:37, 23 January 2013 (UTC) | |||
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BLP exception to 3RR
Re : Yes, there is an exception to WP:3RR related to biographies of living persons. However, there are two significant reasons this does not apply to the material you are removing.
- 1) The material is NOT making contentious claims about identifiable living persons. Yes, most Juggalos involved are likely living. But, we have not labeled any individual person as a criminal/gang member/murderer/drug dealer/whatever. "Some people who live in New York City are gang members" is not a BLP issue (in addition to being obviously true) because we have not said "John Smith and Jane Doe are gang members."
- 2) The material is very well sourced. We are saying the FBI, various states, etc. have classified them as a criminal street gang. This is clearly true: The FBI absolutely, positively, without any reasonable doubt has said the Juggalos are "a loosely-organized hybrid gang". Whether or not Juggalos are a gang, the FBI has' said they are.
Incidentally, we are not "slandering" anyone. Slander is spoken. You mean "libel". That we have not said anything about any individuals, though, it isn't libel either. - SummerPhD (talk) 02:37, 23 January 2013 (UTC)