| Revision as of 14:54, 27 August 2012 editThe Blade of the Northern Lights (talk | contribs)Edit filter managers, Autopatrolled, Oversighters, Administrators55,840 edits →Violating topic ban again: Re← Previous edit | Revision as of 17:27, 27 August 2012 edit undoTalknic (talk | contribs)1,730 edits →Violating topic ban again: Rpl - Blade - re administrative standard & lack of being explicitNext edit → | ||
| Line 158: | Line 158: | ||
| ::::::The Blade of the Northern Lights -- ''"the ban imposed by me would include all namespaces,"'' "would" if that's what it actually said? There are numerous instances of T Bans on other editors, with and without specific mention of "all Namspaces". Surely there's an administrative standard on such a key issue? ] (]) 07:52, 27 August 2012 (UTC) | ::::::The Blade of the Northern Lights -- ''"the ban imposed by me would include all namespaces,"'' "would" if that's what it actually said? There are numerous instances of T Bans on other editors, with and without specific mention of "all Namspaces". Surely there's an administrative standard on such a key issue? ] (]) 07:52, 27 August 2012 (UTC) | ||
| :::::::I suppose it's my fault for not being more explicit to begin with. ] (]) 14:54, 27 August 2012 (UTC) | :::::::I suppose it's my fault for not being more explicit to begin with. ] (]) 14:54, 27 August 2012 (UTC) | ||
| ::::::::The Blade of the Northern Lights -- For the sake of clarity and head aches for all, I suggest an administrative standard be set for the inclusion of "all namespaces" where applicable and; am I bound to an admittedly inexplicit instruction or shall I self administer the additional clause? ''':-)''' ] (]) 17:27, 27 August 2012 (UTC) | |||
| :::::You may search sources in Google scholar here is one that I found --] (])/] 07:21, 27 August 2012 (UTC) | :::::You may search sources in Google scholar here is one that I found --] (])/] 07:21, 27 August 2012 (UTC) | ||
Revision as of 17:27, 27 August 2012
 | If you have come here to post a long, profane rant about either me or some aspect of Misplaced Pages, I have no objections, as I think it's helpful to vent sometimes. I ask that you only 1. refrain from making personal attacks about other editors (besides me) and 2. avoid posting anything that might be construed as outing. Other than that, you may freely tell me that some guideline is a "fucking pain in the goddamned ass", or that my work was "a fucking pile of goddamn shit" as long as you have a reason why you think so- personal attacks don't bother me if they are made discussing a legitimate issue. I have no aversion to swearing myself, so don't post anything about me (or anything else, for that matter) that you wouldn't want to hear me say about you (obviously, warnings and the like are exempt from this). I will use your posts as the threshold for any particular conversation- if you ask me to tone down my language, I also have no objections. |
|
PC Software, etc
Hi Blade, just directing your attention to this section of the current discussion of PC. It seems likely that the devs cannot have PC ready to go on the schedule we originally set, and I'd like to see what you, THO, DQ, and James Forrester think about possible ways to work with that restriction. A fluffernutter is a sandwich! (talk) 15:27, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
That RFA
I was going to support til I saw he's a Dallas fan, UGH! Do I still have to? PumpkinSky talk 22:29, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
- Not loving America's Team is, well, unAmerican. I was raised in Texas so it is natural, but don't understand how someone could not love the best franchise in the league. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 22:41, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
- BARF-O-RAMA! PumpkinSky talk 22:42, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
- I voted/!voted as you did PumpkinSky talk 23:21, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
- On a more serious note, you have to admit, you never know what kind of question I'm going to ask. At least one of my previous RFA questions was a bit controversial, although I thought it was spot on and challenging. I was expecting a longer reply here, but what impressed me most was his ability to break away from the mold I created and be independent enough to choose his own choice favorite. It would have been easy to just agree with one of the choices I gave him. Independence is a big deal in an admin and the most important trait in my opinion, as that means they are less likely to fall victim to group think. Everything else can be learned. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 23:24, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
- What ? was controversial and why? PumpkinSky talk 23:26, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
- Misplaced Pages:Requests for adminship/Hahc21, Q7. Some thought it was a trick question, but in reality it was a very good question to test how "knee jerk" the candidate was, which was my (well founded) concern. A few used it as a basis to oppose and the RfA failed. I actually asked a harder question at Misplaced Pages:Requests for adminship/De728631 and he handled it like a freaking pro, as well as the whole RfA, proving he was ready. I have seen that question copied in a couple of other RfAs, using different BLP subjects, which I take as flattery :) Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 23:33, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
- I generally like your questions, as they're very insightful. The one at Hahc21's was great. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 23:35, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
- Excellent questions. I saw the trademark one when the RFA was running and also thought his answer was great. I don't have to worry about your tricky questions because I'd get creamed at an RFA. PumpkinSky talk 23:43, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
- Thank you, Blade. What I liked about De728631's question and answer was that it was in reality quite complicated and he was wise enough to say "I don't know", meaning he was willing to ask someone more experienced. Knowing our limits is an important part of being an admin. I like questions that aren't simple, cut and dry, and force them to think "shit, I've never thought of that before" and go read up and figure out how to apply policy. As you know, we 'mins are always having to go and read policies to make sure we are getting the nuances in a given situation. The real test is never the black and white issues, but is always a question of "how do you react in the grey areas?". That tells me how they think, not just what they think. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 23:47, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
- I'm waiting for the right admin (probably someone who's interested in contentious topics, like Rannṗáirtí anaiṫnid when he ran) to ask a question about how they'd handle something at AE; I'd be interested to see how that turns out. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 23:49, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
- Thank you, Blade. What I liked about De728631's question and answer was that it was in reality quite complicated and he was wise enough to say "I don't know", meaning he was willing to ask someone more experienced. Knowing our limits is an important part of being an admin. I like questions that aren't simple, cut and dry, and force them to think "shit, I've never thought of that before" and go read up and figure out how to apply policy. As you know, we 'mins are always having to go and read policies to make sure we are getting the nuances in a given situation. The real test is never the black and white issues, but is always a question of "how do you react in the grey areas?". That tells me how they think, not just what they think. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 23:47, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
- Misplaced Pages:Requests for adminship/Hahc21, Q7. Some thought it was a trick question, but in reality it was a very good question to test how "knee jerk" the candidate was, which was my (well founded) concern. A few used it as a basis to oppose and the RfA failed. I actually asked a harder question at Misplaced Pages:Requests for adminship/De728631 and he handled it like a freaking pro, as well as the whole RfA, proving he was ready. I have seen that question copied in a couple of other RfAs, using different BLP subjects, which I take as flattery :) Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 23:33, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
- What ? was controversial and why? PumpkinSky talk 23:26, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
- On a more serious note, you have to admit, you never know what kind of question I'm going to ask. At least one of my previous RFA questions was a bit controversial, although I thought it was spot on and challenging. I was expecting a longer reply here, but what impressed me most was his ability to break away from the mold I created and be independent enough to choose his own choice favorite. It would have been easy to just agree with one of the choices I gave him. Independence is a big deal in an admin and the most important trait in my opinion, as that means they are less likely to fall victim to group think. Everything else can be learned. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 23:24, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
- Reaction and thinking are certainly key factors. AE questions? That's cruel and unusual punishment ;-) PumpkinSky talk 23:55, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
- Believe me, there's no way I'd begrudge someone who didn't want to answer it. Not sure if I would have if someone asked me at my RfA, but now I feel like I'm waging a one-man war over there to keep things under control; one never knows where they'll end up. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 23:56, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
Kayastha
I submit Kayastha to your tender mercies ;) - Sitush (talk) 18:53, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
- My eyes almost bled... ouch! I'll get it when my connection clears up. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 21:29, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks. Again. - Sitush (talk) 04:44, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
2012_Assam_violence edits!
Hi I want to notify that even after warning and displenary action notice some editors without talking in talk page have been editing out texts changing the meaning and content and bringing imbalance to the post eg. link by editor Zencv, thanks againShrikanthv (talk) 09:41, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
My ban
Hi there, you invited me to request clarification on the extent of my ban on Prem Rawat related articles. I am not reapplying for topic editing rights, but am I prohibited from discussing the situation here? Rumiton (talk) 09:45, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
- As of now, you are; if you'd like to appeal that, I'd be fine with it. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 20:36, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
- The situation that I could see no way of dealing with is still going on, and unless I can find an effective way of dealing with it there is no point in my reapplying for editing rights. How about I appeal now for permission to discuss the situation here or on my Talkpage(and nowhere else)? Rumiton (talk) 01:38, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
- Yeah, that's fine. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 02:37, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
- OK. Thanks. One of the underlying problems I see is that the editors are unbendingly opposed to each other. You did say you would look out for "further outbursts" from user:PatW but his contributions are more of a chronic, indignant and self-pitying rejection of all other points of view. Here is one: What YOU think is 'right' is to remove any negative tone (implied from the original sources) and to replace it with you and your Rawat supporter friends preferred re-write. This is all ugly, inexorable revisionism in my opinion. The repeated mentioning of Rawat's divinity claims is TOTALLY justified by contemporary sources , as are probably all the other 'imbalances' you seek to 'correct'. I don't care if this sounds like I don't have faith in your intentions. I think your mission here is contrary to the spirit of Misplaced Pages. And your self-confidence that you are 'making things right' is thinly disguised mocking of people who have frankly tired of resisting your highly biased editing spree. Do as you like. I'm just hoping someone, somewhere will take a look at your dodgy history here and put a stop to this retrograde behaviour.PatW (talk) 22:00, 18 August 2012 (UTC) I don't know how to deal with this stuff, which I find wrong and personally offensive. When I replied to the points he raised, I was accused of "escalating" the problem. When I ignored them, I was banned for "not listening." What do you think? Are these posts collegial? Do they assume good faith? Are they likely to create an atmosphere that will allow negotiation and lead to an improvement in the article? Rumiton (talk) 10:12, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
- I'll leave a message for PatW; I may e-mail him, so if you don't see anything on-wiki you can assume I've done that. I'll also take a look at Talk:Prem Rawat and see what's going on there; my time over the last several days has been diverted to 2012 Assam violence, so another look at the goings-on at Prem Rawat would do some good. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 16:23, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks for that. I will watch the talkpage for a week or so and if the tedious soapboxing eases up I might reapply for editing rights. Rumiton (talk) 01:45, 26 August 2012 (UTC)
- Just looked at 2012 Assam violence. It's impressive sometimes what a good copyedit can do in easing an article towards neutrality. CE is invited on the article header, but the talkpage requires all intended edits to be discussed prior, which makes copyediting very difficult. How do you interpret this? Rumiton (talk) 02:02, 26 August 2012 (UTC)
- Copyediting and the like are fine to do without discussion; that's more aimed at people trying to insert claims in articles. Anything making that article more intelligible is a good thing, so no one would get into any kind of problem copyediting. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 05:16, 26 August 2012 (UTC)
- I'll leave a message for PatW; I may e-mail him, so if you don't see anything on-wiki you can assume I've done that. I'll also take a look at Talk:Prem Rawat and see what's going on there; my time over the last several days has been diverted to 2012 Assam violence, so another look at the goings-on at Prem Rawat would do some good. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 16:23, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
- OK. Thanks. One of the underlying problems I see is that the editors are unbendingly opposed to each other. You did say you would look out for "further outbursts" from user:PatW but his contributions are more of a chronic, indignant and self-pitying rejection of all other points of view. Here is one: What YOU think is 'right' is to remove any negative tone (implied from the original sources) and to replace it with you and your Rawat supporter friends preferred re-write. This is all ugly, inexorable revisionism in my opinion. The repeated mentioning of Rawat's divinity claims is TOTALLY justified by contemporary sources , as are probably all the other 'imbalances' you seek to 'correct'. I don't care if this sounds like I don't have faith in your intentions. I think your mission here is contrary to the spirit of Misplaced Pages. And your self-confidence that you are 'making things right' is thinly disguised mocking of people who have frankly tired of resisting your highly biased editing spree. Do as you like. I'm just hoping someone, somewhere will take a look at your dodgy history here and put a stop to this retrograde behaviour.PatW (talk) 22:00, 18 August 2012 (UTC) I don't know how to deal with this stuff, which I find wrong and personally offensive. When I replied to the points he raised, I was accused of "escalating" the problem. When I ignored them, I was banned for "not listening." What do you think? Are these posts collegial? Do they assume good faith? Are they likely to create an atmosphere that will allow negotiation and lead to an improvement in the article? Rumiton (talk) 10:12, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
- Yeah, that's fine. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 02:37, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
- The situation that I could see no way of dealing with is still going on, and unless I can find an effective way of dealing with it there is no point in my reapplying for editing rights. How about I appeal now for permission to discuss the situation here or on my Talkpage(and nowhere else)? Rumiton (talk) 01:38, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
Topic ban
Do you feel that Talknic has violated his topic ban again by this? It looks to me like it's showing a mentality that he's not giving up from the topic itself, but maybe it doesn't violate it.
Thanks. --Activism1234 14:34, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
- I'm not going to block over it this time, but yes it's a violation. I'll leave him a warning. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 20:32, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
- Ok thanks. --Activism1234 20:35, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
- NUDGE! ... The Blade of the Northern Lights - Uh? The current topic ban mentions nothing about "all namespaces". The topic ban from "all namespaces" expired 6 June 2012. In full here talknic (talk) 05:06, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
- Awaiting clarification of the above, in full here talknic (talk) 03:45, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
Briefly
what do you want to tell me ? . פארוק (talk) 20:56, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
- (talk page stalker) He means that you cannot write anything about Israel, Palestine, the political dispute between them, or anything even vaguely related to that, anywhere on Misplaced Pages, including both articles, talk pages, etc. Qwyrxian (talk) 07:00, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
YGM
Yes, you have. - Sitush (talk) 23:47, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
I want to create an article
Hey Mate,
Hope you are in good health, I want to create an article, but I guess it was deleted before, page showed "please first contact the deleting administrator using the information provided below." So I got your link below.
This is the page I want to create & you deleted it before "http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=AdEngage&action=edit&redlink=1" I want to create this article again with unique content along with the strong references. Please help me, & let me know what should I do?
Looking forward to hear you soonest,
Best Regards, Carrol82 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Carrol82 (talk • contribs) 19:59, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
اردیبهشت
Hi. You had recently blocked User:اردیبهشت for editwarring and removing scholarly sources. Well, he is back at it once again, removing a reference to the Encyclopaedia Iranica and technically violating 3RR. I have reported him on WP:ANI. --Lysozym (talk) 21:32, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
- This individual did not notify me about her report, nor does she have any grounds for such a complaint when her edit history at Hazara people is indicitive of her disruptive editing. I had initially made a complaint about that, and he/she is evidently seeking to retaliate out of emotion and for no other reason. Quite Sad. اردیبهشت (talk) 21:40, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
- This edit is a violation of WP:STALK and WP:POINT. Maybe he can explain to us why he reverts back to a version that is a direct violation of copy rights and draws heavily on obviously falsified content. Maybe he should have read the talkpage first. --Lysozym (talk) 21:42, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
- Once again, please stick to your own issue at hand. Also, im afraid that stalking is characteristic of your attidue and has been initiated long before by you, so please do not play a victim here. اردیبهشت (talk) 22:00, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
- This edit is a violation of WP:STALK and WP:POINT. Maybe he can explain to us why he reverts back to a version that is a direct violation of copy rights and draws heavily on obviously falsified content. Maybe he should have read the talkpage first. --Lysozym (talk) 21:42, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
- (talk page stalker). Now that an AN/I has been opened, continuing the feud here won't help and it's not the place for it. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 04:43, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
Badaun Edits
Thanks for response and feedback! I edit Badaun to make it more informative. The link to rathore on wikipedia is http://en.wikipedia.org/Budaun_district. As for Sot river, I was looking to create a page on it, as its quite a impt river for people living in the region. Please suggest.
Two more points:
The assam page, seemed to really not an academic account please check
Also like to point out... the article on Mahendra Singh Tikait has been cut down a lot, even after references, please have a look ... found out when i accidently reached his page
http://en.wikipedia.org/Mahendra_Singh_Tikait — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ravindr (talk • contribs) 12:52, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
automation
Hi Blade, if you're online now, I need a quick answer: does the use of PyWikipedia require bot authorisation? Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 14:22, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
- I don't think so, but I'm not 100% sure. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 14:28, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
About Arduino Cantafora
Hi fellow user. Please excuse me that I forgot to add references at Arduino Cantafora. I have already done so, could you please remove the template? Thank you! Regards from Montevideo, --Fadesga (talk) 19:39, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
An invitation for you!
|
| Hello, The Blade of the Northern Lights. We are in the early stages of initiating a project to plan, gain consensus on, and coordinate adding a feature to the main page wherein an article will be listed daily for collaborative improvement. If you're interested in participating, please add your name to the list of members. |
Happy editing! AutomaticStrikeout 20:41, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
Talk:16:10
Hi, I'd once again ask you to take a quick look at the dispute over at Talk:16:10. User:Urklistre (whom you already warned about violating WP:BRD) has once again resorted to simply reverting the article back to his preferred version without giving any explanation in edit summaries or on the talk page. First revert, second revert (with the terse note "Do not edit page during dispute", after repeatedly encouraging me to just edit the article where I thought it needed improvement). In general, his tendentious editing and reluctance to work towards a consensus seem to me like clear signs of a disruptive editor. Your advice or intervention would be appreciated. Thanks! Indrek (talk) 23:54, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
- Add to the above signs ownership of the article - "just dont undo my changes and we will be fine" . Indrek (talk) 09:00, 26 August 2012 (UTC)
Violating topic ban again
Talknic has once again violated his topic ban. See here.
I understand he had a question regarding "namespaces," but considering that you had already warned him that he can't make these types of edits, it seems a violation to me to ignore this and just still continue making these edits.
Thanks. --Activism1234 04:41, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
- "all namespaces" was not included in the current topic ban. The topic ban specific to "all Namespaces" expired 26 June 2012. To that end I have been seeking specific clarification and alas, being completely ignored //"Editors are expected to be reasonably cooperative, to refrain from making personal attacks, to work within the scope of policies, and to be responsive to good-faith questions"// talknic (talk) 06:19, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
- Talknic, you've been warned by Blade before about a similar edit on your talkpage, and yet continued with making this edit, solely because you think that you are right. You felt you were right, and wrote that, but nowhere were you given a response that you were right. You continued on thinking you were right, despite an admin warning, and made a similar edit. This is an issue. If not, I trust Blade, a respectable admin, to decide that, and to do whatever is necessary here. --Activism1234 06:22, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
- Activism -- The exact wording of the topic bans are specific and quite clear. If The Blade of the Northern Lights now wishes to change the specific wording of the current topic ban, I dare say there is some avenue for doing so talknic (talk) 06:59, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
- You shouldn't assume there's any wording to change though... Good night, I'll let Blade respond further as he/she sees appropriate... --Activism1234 07:03, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
- OK, as it's about 3 in the morning here and I'm editing an article on the one book that still rends my heartstrings, I'll get to this now so I can end on a good note. Talknic, the ban imposed by me would include all namespaces, including your user talkpage. As I really don't have the heart for it right now, I'm not going to block you now, but I hope this is completely, unambiguously clear. And as a quick aside, feel free to take a gander at the article I'm editing; I find it therapeutic, and perhaps you will as well. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 07:07, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
- The Blade of the Northern Lights -- "the ban imposed by me would include all namespaces," "would" if that's what it actually said? There are numerous instances of T Bans on other editors, with and without specific mention of "all Namspaces". Surely there's an administrative standard on such a key issue? talknic (talk) 07:52, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
- I suppose it's my fault for not being more explicit to begin with. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 14:54, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
- The Blade of the Northern Lights -- For the sake of clarity and head aches for all, I suggest an administrative standard be set for the inclusion of "all namespaces" where applicable and; am I bound to an admittedly inexplicit instruction or shall I self administer the additional clause? :-) talknic (talk) 17:27, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
- I suppose it's my fault for not being more explicit to begin with. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 14:54, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
- The Blade of the Northern Lights -- "the ban imposed by me would include all namespaces," "would" if that's what it actually said? There are numerous instances of T Bans on other editors, with and without specific mention of "all Namspaces". Surely there's an administrative standard on such a key issue? talknic (talk) 07:52, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
- You may search sources in Google scholar here is one that I found --Shrike (talk)/WP:RX 07:21, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
- Activism -- The exact wording of the topic bans are specific and quite clear. If The Blade of the Northern Lights now wishes to change the specific wording of the current topic ban, I dare say there is some avenue for doing so talknic (talk) 06:59, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
- Talknic, you've been warned by Blade before about a similar edit on your talkpage, and yet continued with making this edit, solely because you think that you are right. You felt you were right, and wrote that, but nowhere were you given a response that you were right. You continued on thinking you were right, despite an admin warning, and made a similar edit. This is an issue. If not, I trust Blade, a respectable admin, to decide that, and to do whatever is necessary here. --Activism1234 06:22, 27 August 2012 (UTC)