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:There is a specific guideline about this issue. I'm pretty sure what I did is the way the guideline says to do it. I can't give you a link at the moment. ] (]) 05:34, 11 July 2012 (UTC) :There is a specific guideline about this issue. I'm pretty sure what I did is the way the guideline says to do it. I can't give you a link at the moment. ] (]) 05:34, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
::I don't think there is a guideline that says that when a redirect to/from a diacritic title is made the categorizing has to be made in a seperate edit. In fact ARBCOM has sanctiond someone for doing just that. All I am asking you is to be aware not to give the impression of locking article titles. The whole issue is of a bit of a mess because of the ruling as it effects all of us with a strong opinion either way, but sometimes the extra edit cannot be avoided but when it can be avoided we should. ] (]) 06:54, 11 July 2012 (UTC) ::I don't think there is a guideline that says that when a redirect to/from a diacritic title is made the categorizing has to be made in a seperate edit. In fact ARBCOM has sanctiond someone for doing just that. All I am asking you is to be aware not to give the impression of locking article titles. The whole issue is of a bit of a mess because of the ruling as it effects all of us with a strong opinion either way, but sometimes the extra edit cannot be avoided but when it can be avoided we should. ] (]) 06:54, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
:::The guideline I was thinking of is ]: "Add {{tl|R from title without diacritics}} after the redirect to properly categorize it, e.g. for print editions." I always assumed that meant that diacritic redirects were supposed to be locked. ] (]) 11:02, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

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Invite

Please accept this invite to join the Conservatism WikiProject, an attempt to build a comprehensive and detailed guide to conservatism broadly construed.
– Lionel 01:06, 21 September 2011 (UTC)


Your page is protected

Hi. Because your user page has been the victim of a spate of vandalism, I have semi-protected it so that only logged-in autoconfirmed users (such as you) can edit it. ~Amatulić (talk) 19:59, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Rosetta Barnstar
For the quality of your translation. Hackerrye (talk) 13:16, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

Why don't you...

have a mop yet? Seems like you'd make a great admin. --Sonicyouth86 (talk) 00:07, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the flattery. I never applied or anything like that. I'm sure it would be controversial. Kauffner (talk) 04:58, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

My Taiwan Article

Just to let you know, I'm going to continue the talk page you started (User talk:Jpech95/taiwan/Taiwan) and move it over to (User talk:Jpech95/taiwan) and we will continue there. Thanks! Jpech95 21:49, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

Update

Just to let you know, I've started trying to get our final stages moving in: We should possibly go ahead with the RM and notify and articles that could be affected on their talk pages, in my opinion. Head over to the talk page so I can get a better idea of where everyone stands. Jpech95 22:10, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

Worker's Barnstar for Taiwan

The Working Man's Barnstar
Kauffner, I'd like to thank you for so much that you did for our Taiwan Proposal. From the very beginning you were very dedicated to it, between doing some major editing and being a huge part of the discussion. Even though we hit a few bumps in the road with some disagreements between ourselves or others, we managed to get it to where it is now, and hopefully, it will pass and go into effect, which would be an achievement, at least for me, and hopefully you too. So, again, thank you very much, and I think you are more than deserving of this barnstar.

JPECH95 23:37, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

Ireland

I have begun an organization space for us to gather ideas on working on the Ireland "proposal", so to speak, in my userspace at User:Jpech95/Ireland, because I know this is not necessarily going to be as real-world political, but definitly Misplaced Pages political in terms of many procedures for dealing with this are already set up and such. If you think my user subpage is unnecessary, that's aboslutely fine, and I'll delete it. Thanks. JPECH95 23:47, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

SNSD

Read the second paragraph "Speaking on a SBS TV program on Feb. 3, Kim Ji-hoon said they are allowed seasonal vegetables, five pieces of broccoli, 100 g of grilled chicken breast, and 150 g of brown rice." It does not mention if this meal is per day or per meal (only that they eat 1500 kcal a day), but if you calculate the calories, like here: http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=calculate+calories+five+pieces+of+broccoli%2C+100+grams+of+grilled+chicken+breast%2C+150+grams+brown+rice You'll see that it's far closer to 500 calories, which would make sense since it's one meal and therefore eaten three times per day to get the total of 1500. Unless you're seriously suggesting that the seasonal vegetable somehow amounts to over a thousand calories. Eldaran (talk) 17:21, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Heh

I was stumbling upon Google Groups one day, being bored and searching for what people thought when Kim Il Sung kicked the bucket, and I think this might be you (person has the first and last name), from July 23, 1994: "To call North Korea the 'DPRK' reeks of toadyism. Does anyone really think the country is a democratic people's whatever? Not only that, but 'DPRK' is four syllables, the same length as 'North Korea.' Great Murderer Kim Il-sung's timely death proves once again that, 'where there is death, there is hope.' A merciful god has spared Korean War veterans the experience of seeing the man responsible for the death of their buddies treated as a statesman at a North/South Korean summit. May the stinking bastard rot in hell!!"

If it is you, then it's amusing. If it isn't then, well, there are a lot more Kauffner's in this world then I imagined. --Ismail (talk) 07:32, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

I don't remember writing it, but it sounds like me. Only my family is "Kauffner" with two F's. But there are various "Kaufner"s in Germany and elsewhere. There is one in the Czech Republic who is quite active on the Internet. All in all, I'd rather be known for this and this. Kauffner (talk) 12:46, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

Hi

As much as we disagree about basing spelling on Chicago MOS sources, I wonder what Chicago MOS has to say about honorifics like Talk:Kripalu Maharaj? Do you have any input on that? In ictu oculi (talk) 05:58, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

Let it go

I've reverted your unarchive for multiple reasons (for one WP:AN is a different board than WP:AN/I). Nothing good is going to come from rehashing the issue on either board -- you're going to get more negative backlash than any benefit out of it. Nobody Ent 09:54, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. If there is a bottle of the bubbly in it for me, I may yet see reason. (-: Kauffner (talk) 10:10, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

Thanks from Cotton Rogers

thanks for backing me up on Grover Cleveland being a conservative it is a ridiculous assertion to state otherwise also heads up someone's challlenging your Cleveland citations on the talkpageCotton Rogers (talk) 03:03, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Defender of the Wiki Barnstar
Good job on attacking Liberal bias in Conservatism in the United States your common sense defense of Grover Cleveland specifically Lincolnworshipper 2.0 (talk) 06:11, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

South Vietnam

I have protected the article from further moves for 1 week to allow discussion to take place on the talk page. I have no view on what the title should be. Regards, Bencherlite 16:40, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

Côte d'Ivoire

I just noticed your RM Incubator page and chimed in on one. I think you can move Côte d'Ivoire to Ivory Coast without a formal RM; I don't think such a move would be controversial. If you do post that RM, feel free to do so with the added comments intact. ~Amatulić (talk) 18:53, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the support, although I would expect the proposal to be controversial. It is a country article and it has been assigned "top importance". Kauffner (talk) 05:47, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
Yes, you're probably right about that. You may as well go live with it. I think there's ample precedent for other countries. I can't think of any country offhand that we call by the name the residents call it if we already have an English name for it. ~Amatulić (talk) 14:07, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: Dan day

Hello Kauffner. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Dan day, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: Not an uncontroversial move, use requested moves instead. Thank you. — Malik Shabazz /Stalk 18:40, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

I just noticed this. I'm afraid same applies. Based on Malik Shabazz comment could you restore it please. And Ca trù, and any other musical terms. Thanks. In ictu oculi (talk) 04:15, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
I guess I missed the part of Shabazz's post that talks about dan da and ca tru. And isn't dan bau a musical term too? Kauffner (talk) 04:29, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
Yes it is, I have already left a query about that on his page - it sticks out among the Vietnamese Musical instruments same as dan da. We'll see what he says. In ictu oculi (talk) 04:43, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

In light of the lack of consensus concerning these moves, please use WP:RM instead of making the moves yourself (or asking administrators to make them). In the case of Cần Thơ, you moved the article against consensus. Thank you. — Malik Shabazz /Stalk 03:14, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

Aside from non-notable villages, the vast majority of Vietnam-related titles are currently at diacritic-free lemmas, per WP:Naming conventions (Vietnamese) and WP:DIACRITICS. "Can Tho" is the "widely accepted name," per WP:NCGN#Widely_accepted_name. See Britannica and Columbia. Kauffner (talk) 04:08, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
You made your proposal concerning Cần Thơ, and it was not adopted. See Talk:Cần Thơ/Archive 1. Please don't move articles against consensus. It is considered disruptive. — Malik Shabazz /Stalk 04:18, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
You're reversing stuff that was moved without controversy three months ago. As for Can Tho, there was "no consensus." The vote was 6-5 in favor of the move. Kauffner (talk) 05:07, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
That's precisely the problem. You proposed a move, there was no consensus to move, and you're moving the articles anyway. — Malik Shabazz /Stalk 02:20, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
Not only that, but I've moved hundreds of similar articles over the years. There's a "move" button on top of them, you know. Since you're moving titles that have been stable for months, you should know that most of these titles were created as ASCII and later moved without consensus. I am just moving them back. The most recent RM on this subject was resolved in favor of the English-language title: Talk:Vo Chi Cong. Kauffner (talk) 02:47, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
When Jimbo complained about Vietnamese diacritics, I thought, "Yeah, he's right." So I started working on this problem. Kauffner (talk) 12:37, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
I have been trying to move No Gun Ri Massacre back to its consensus RM title of No Gun Ri. So I must say that the idea of not allowing unilateral post-RM moves does appeal to me. Kauffner (talk) 08:51, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

Ca trù

Hi Kauffner. I'm not that interested in Vietnamese place names and so on, but I am interested in Vietnamese music. I just found that you removed the tone from Ca trù. Can you please direct me to the relevant WP:Naming conventions (Vietnamese) or whatever this comes under. Because unless this is 100% inline with WP:Vietnam policy I'd probably want to challenge it. I have never seen ca trù without the accent before - it is, as far as I have seen, always used on CD covers: CD1 CD2. The tone is also used by UNESCO. I don't even know what "ca tru" would mean in Vietnamese without the tone (don't have my big dictionary here). In ictu oculi (talk) 12:49, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

Scratch that, it bluelinks, so there really is a WP:Naming conventions (Vietnamese), moot question. In ictu oculi (talk) 12:52, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
Searching for "Ca tru" music brings up nearly 700 English-language results on GBooks, only four of which have a tone mark. See Frommer's Vietnam, Encyclopaedic Dictionary of Music, Volume 1, Rough Guide to Vietnam, Volume 4, or World Music. Britannica spells it diacritic free in their entry on "Vietnamese literature". The article titles are supposed to be in English. It doesn't matter what they mean in Vietnamese. Kauffner (talk) 14:32, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
Well I've mentioned on WP:Naming conventions (Vietnamese) page now. By all means present this in a RM. But personally I'd rather believe my own CD collection. Cheers. In ictu oculi (talk) 15:13, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

Merge discussion for Sino-Indian War

An article that you have been involved in editing, Sino-Indian War , has been proposed for a merge with another article. If you are interested in the merge discussion, please participate by going here, and adding your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. TheOriginalSoni (talk) 16:20, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

The Signpost: 25 June 2012

The Signpost: 02 July 2012

Ivory Coast move

I couldn't find an appropriate barnstar, but you deserve recognition and appreciation for winning a particularly tough battle for WP:COMMONNAME. Thanks! --BDD (talk) 13:35, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

The outcome is certainly a pleasant surprise, given the history of the issue. Kauffner (talk) 13:45, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

The Signpost: 09 July 2012

Ngọc Lũ drum

When you create a redirect please categorize it at the same time - not like Ngọc Lũ drum where you do give the impression of delibertaly locking the title. Agathoclea (talk) 05:18, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

There is a specific guideline about this issue. I'm pretty sure what I did is the way the guideline says to do it. I can't give you a link at the moment. Kauffner (talk) 05:34, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
I don't think there is a guideline that says that when a redirect to/from a diacritic title is made the categorizing has to be made in a seperate edit. In fact ARBCOM has sanctiond someone for doing just that. All I am asking you is to be aware not to give the impression of locking article titles. The whole issue is of a bit of a mess because of the ruling as it effects all of us with a strong opinion either way, but sometimes the extra edit cannot be avoided but when it can be avoided we should. Agathoclea (talk) 06:54, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
The guideline I was thinking of is WP:DIACRITICS: "Add {{R from title without diacritics}} after the redirect to properly categorize it, e.g. for print editions." I always assumed that meant that diacritic redirects were supposed to be locked. Kauffner (talk) 11:02, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
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