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Tag and Assess 2012 - Status update

The Tag & Assess Drive 2012 has been a phenomenal success so far achieving 8706 assessments (including quality and importance) in a span of 10 days. The overall theme is to achieve

• Quality assessments for unassessed WP India articles.
• Adding importance missed during previous assessment.
• Bringing more articles into the scope of the project and subject them to assessment.

Statistics of the initial and recent progress

While numbers are indicative of the progress, the co-ordinators are ensuring quality of assessment with frequent pulse checks. There has been enthusiastic participation from all the 21 participants and we profusely thank all the participants involved. The drive is still open and we encourage participants from WP India to enroll themselves.
AshLin (talk) and ssriram_mt (talk).

Tag and Assess 2012 - Status update

The Tag & Assess Drive 2012 has been a phenomenal success so far achieving 27,980 assessments (including quality and importance) in the one month period. The overall theme is to achieve

• Quality assessments for unassessed WP India articles.
• Adding importance missed during previous assessment.
• Bringing more articles into the scope of the project and subject them to assessment.

Statistics of the initial and recent progress

As many as 10,000 articles are brought into the scope of the project during the past one month of the project. We profusely thank all the participants involved for their active participation. The drive is still open and we encourage participants from WP India to enroll themselves.
AshLin (talk) and ssriram_mt (talk).

Deletion conflict

I have been posing information related to Dhananjaya (Gotra), using historicial refference books. Some wikipedian is deleting the information, as if he knows all about. I would like to know the reason.

Photo montages in infoboxes of caste/community articles

Can these be justified? There have been localised discussions on various articles, and also discussions at Template talk:Infobox caste, for at least the last year. How do we ensure that they do not give undue weight to those people who are selected? How do we deal with (yet again) the problem of people warring with regard to unverified claims/BLP violations? How do we stop puffery, and in particular a tendency to show only good-looking models/film stars etc? Is it really worth all the effort? - Sitush (talk) 12:33, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

This is not an India-related issue. This issue is common to all articles about various ethnic groups all over the world such as Han people, Tatars, Tibetan people, Catalan people, Germans, Italians, Armenians, Irish people, etc. Since it is not an India-specific issue, there is no reason to discuss this matter here. It is generally accepted that articles on ethnic groups shall contain an ethnic group infobox with either a montage or a gallery of prominent members of the particular group. If you have any concerns, you shall raise them in the template talk page. - InarZan Verifiable 13:17, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

Not really, we can and discuss usage of templates specific to project articles. —SpacemanSpiff 13:34, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

& is Sitush proposing to not have any images in the infobox? §§AnimeshKulkarni (talk) 13:41, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

Animesh, I don't say that, do I? You could, for example, in the case of a caste article find use for a single representative, historical, public domain image of a member of the community going about their traditional occupation. Indeed, that has been the route taken by some contributors - Fowler&fowler and MatthewVanitas, for example. I've had a lot of involvement in caste articles and the warring is ridiculous when it comes to these montages, whether presented as a single composite image file or as a set of discrete images. I do not have a lot of interest in image work but I know a POV magnet etc when I see one, and I find myself frequently having to fix issues relating to the montages. Some of these montages have been deleted (without my involvement) due to copyright issues etc, including at least a couple of composite versions (one was at Nair).

InarZan, I had already explained to you the peculiar circumstance whereby many articles allow non-Roman scripts but we have consensus that Indic scripts should not be used in leads etc of India-related articles. Projects can and do make decisions such as this. - Sitush (talk) 13:56, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

The inclusion of Indic script is an India-related issue, and hence it must be discussed here. But Template:Infobox ethnic group is not specific to this project, neither the potential problems that may arise when using montages of ethnic groups. These issues are universal in nature. It should be addressed universally with a wider discussion. No country-specific remedies possible. - InarZan Verifiable 14:11, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

No, it is not. Articles related to Pakistan also use it, for example. - Sitush (talk) 14:14, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

Are you sure Indic scripts are not used in leads of India-related articles? I can still see them in Malayalam, Tamil language, Sanskrit, etc. - InarZan Verifiable 14:25, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

It is this sort of speciousness that I am finding tiresome. This thread is about montages, not scripts. I mentioned scripts as an example of what SpacemanSpiff had noted (itself a response to an incorrect understanding) and you are now derailing the thread with irrelevancies. The consensus is that scripts should not be in the leads etc but you didn't really think that an hour later someone would have gone through the tens of thousands of articles and removed them all, did you? Now, can we get back on topic, please. - Sitush (talk) 14:57, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

If a notable person could be categorized into an ethnic group following WP:EGRS, his image could be used in the montage of that particular ethnic group. While creating the montage, an editor could use his reasoning and creativity to select the persons based on different priorities like 1.Notability 2.Field of eminence 3. Free-image etc. Moreover, usage of montages with the photos of notable persons is universal; not restricted to India. --AshLey 15:25, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

I don't think that what has been said above is sinking in, is it? Why do you think that another editor might not use different "reasoning and creativity"; why do you think that this is not subjective; how are you going to stop the disruption; how do you propose to balance things; why are you ignoring the clear arguments that this issue is of relevance to the India project in a manner that may not apply to other projects, as was the case with the scripts? - Sitush (talk) 15:48, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

@Sitush: I infact wouldnt mind if you propose removal of celebrity images from infoboxes. We should have some other images there. Maybe some 1890's group photo, or traditional costumes, or some traditional food-dish, or old housing, or something. Images of these celebrities can be used in other sections if there exists a section that mentions them in length, not just bulleted list of names. The infobox should be a summary of the article. Image should represent that caste. These cricketers and actresses dont represent the caste in complete sense. Whereas some other images might do it better. §§AnimeshKulkarni (talk) 17:06, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

I am walking away from this thread for the weekend: between this and another article, I am getting a bit frustrated with a couple of people. I'll go fell some more trees & return on Sunday. - Sitush (talk) 17:51, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

I agree with Sitush. The celebrity montages feature people who belong to the caste in name only, people who have achieved fame far afield from the caste's traditional specialties. Other than making an enabling statement of the sort, "We too can rise to the top," these pictures tell us little about the caste.

In the past, we have used traditional (over a century old) "ethnographic" prints in the caste articles. See Kurmi, Yadav, Jat people for examples. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 10:31, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

(I'm trying hard to care about this!) If we go with the photo montage, we should make sure that any person included in the montage has self-identified with the "caste". Other than that, I have no comment. --regentspark (comment) 12:47, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

Hi RegentsPark, May I know why you are specific about self-identification here. I think, caste can't be equated to religion and hence we can't stress for self-identification here. --AshLey 15:37, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

Not everybody cares about belonging to this caste or that. And some people actively care about not being identified with a caste. We should respect that, at least in photo montages which have (approximately) zero encyclopedic value. The only way to respect it is to include only those who have self-identified as belonging to a particular group.--regentspark (comment) 15:48, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

I've no problem in including people who self-identify them with any caste. Although, I'm more or less reluctant to show garish pictures of actors, models, or other media personalities just because they were born in any particular caste. However, including politicians, religious leaders (including reformers), etc, who are actually identified by their castes, can be justified. — Bill william compton 15:40, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

@Animesh & Fowler:

"cricketers and actresses" in fact stand as an evidence for the community's present-day existence. And of course not just them; scientists, writers, freedom fighters, statesmen, philosophers, rulers, politicians... All of them should be included. If you doubt, please have look on the article Nair. All you can see there is some weird (I'll say funny) looking paintings and a very ancient photo of two Nair women who look really like some aboriginal tribes. I bet, if you are not an Indian, you are going to think that the Nairs are an extinct people of past - like Normans or Vikings. But in reality, Nairs are one of the most forward and prominent communities at least in Kerala. This is where we need a montage of prominent people. Such a montage immediately gives the reader an impression that this community is an active one with a lot of notable personalities.

In articles relating to western ethnic groups, no such aggressive removal was ever proposed; disputes do occur there too, and as you know everywhere else on Misplaced Pages. For example, there may be different people with same name. Then there may occur some debate on who is more notable, whose article should be there in the default namespace, etc. My point is, debates and disputes are part of Misplaced Pages, they can't be avoided. But some editors promote an impression that India-related articles are particularly prone to puffery, while western-related articles are not. This means that, at least some people cherish a prejudice that Indians are so aggressive POV-pushers and self-glorifiers, that they cannot keep montages in articles without bloody disputes, while westerners are really mature enough to keep collages in articles related to themselves, without making any problems. This is a kind of colonial attitude. - InarZan Verifiable 11:44, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

There is nothing wrong with the Nair article, and please don't underestimate the intelligence of non-Indians. How do you know what they will think? In fact, they might equally think that the Nair caste as a system of social stratification is dead if the group can contribute its share of third-rate acting talent that comprises much of Bollywood, and its share of corrupt middle-aged men applying jet black hair dye who make up much of India's political class. "Colonial attitude," by the way is the typical riposte found in bristling post-colonial rants of the type you have posted above. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 14:42, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

I think, Inarzan has a valid point. While we are discussing an ethnic group, a montage with the photos of popular people from multiple spheres would help readers to identify the social mobility within the group and of the group, physical appearance of it's members etc. --AshLey 07:34, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

What you mean is that it is an opening for puffery. Can you show me an India-related infobox montage that includes someone from the underbelly of society, someone with acne, a notable person with a terrible reputation for criminality, someone ... well, you get the gist. Nope, I didn't think so. And since when did we stereotype ethnic appearance? I thought that scientific racism had been discredited? Indian ethnic articles are prone to puffery. - Sitush (talk) 09:28, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

Any opening could be used for positive or negative causes and an unconditional closure of an opening will mar the free dissemination of knowledge. All who reach the upper echelons of society, fighting multitude of social, economical or physical barriers are not good-looking. For example, see the article: Ezhava, once an untouchable community. The pictures of Actor Sreenivasan, ex-CM Achuthanandan and CPM State Secretary Vijayan are given in the infobox, which in turn inform the reader that "Oh yes! They have come forward". However, I don't think it has any trace of puffery. They are not cream of the society on the basis of "physical beauty", hence one could imagine that an average ezhava could more or less look like this. --AshLey 12:07, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

These people's images don't indicate how an average Ezhava person looks. Add A. P. J. Abdul Kalam, George Fernandes, Boman Irani, etc. (all non-Hindus) to this infobox and you make no difference. They show how an average person from Indian-subcontinent looks, irrespective of their caste or even religion. §§AnimeshKulkarni (talk) 13:42, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

In WP:VPP, I have proposed a new clause in WP:EGRS to ensure "self-identification" in the case of ethnicity similar to that in religion. The change should be global one, and I know many experienced editors here support this view. Kindly take up the issue and help to implement the policy change in the global platform. --AshLey 14:12, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

Last year, Sitush had tried placing this issue here. No one supported him but one person. Seeing his proposal being rejected, he is now here with the same issue.

My question is simple. Why it is an India-only issue? Infobox: Ethnic Group is used globally. Then why should Indian ethnic articles be treated seperately ? Wikiproject India has to discuss and act on this issue only if India-related articles are a special case. I am just trying to tell that Indian ethnic articles are like those of any other country. So nothing special to India. Sitush is trying to establish that self-glorification or POV pushing are particular to India-related articles. But I do not agree to that. I can show any number of articles related to Western ethnic groups full of puffery, POV, edit warring, etc. For example, go here, here or here to read the ferocious disputes regarding the pictures of notable persons to be included in the infobox montage. If such disputes exist there too, what is the use of removing montages only from Indian articles ? If you think there is something to be done, the issue should addressed globally, not in one country only. Despite all such disputes, they still keep such montages and no particular decision was taken against inclusion of montages either in Template talk:Infobox ethnic group nor in Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Ethnic groups.

It will be a discrimination that Indians are not allowed to use montages in their community articles while western people are allowed to do so. Articles such as Delhi, Chennai, Bangalore, Punjab, Kolkata, etc are also using montages. Will you propose to remove them too? - InarZan Verifiable 18:23, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

The thing is, at this project we are trying to improve the quality of articles related to India, if you think that because other articles have it so it's ok, then you're wrong, if you think improving article quality shouldn't be a goal -- that is, puffery, POV pushing etc should be allowed, then I think you are at the wrong place -- Misplaced Pages is an encyclopaedia. There can of course be disagreements on how to implement things or what's best, but arguing that puffery and POV pushing should be allowed implies that you are confusing this place with Blogspot etc.—SpacemanSpiff 18:35, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

InarZan, remember your comment of a few days ago? That was a pretty blatant POV statement and is not untypical of what we see on the Indian community articles. POV has no place here.

I do believe that many caste etc articles are in need of improvement, have spent the last 12 months or so doing mostly just that, and have done so almost without reference to non-India articles. As SpacemanSpiff says, the other articles are not relevant. Montages are POV magnets (and you appear to agree with that) and Indian community articles are so troublesome that they are subject to general sanctions. You need also to bear in mind that we have various infobox templates akin to Template:Infobox ethnic group and quite a few Indian articles use those; and yet again I refer you to the decision that arose from the Indic scripts RfC.

Animesh raises an important point. - Sitush (talk) 20:24, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

@InarZan: Also, i would suggest you to take up this discussion here itself for another reason. My experience is that bigger global forums are not as active as these smaller ones are. In case we have a consensus here, which you do not like, you can always go to the global forum. Take it as District Court, High Court and Supreme Court.
And i am confused here. The city articles which you gave as example use landmarks in their montages. They clearly make sense there. Lotus Temple is associated with Delhi. But these celebrities don't necessarily do that. I am not saying we shouldn't have any montage at all. You can very well have montages of weapons used by Rajputs. §§AnimeshKulkarni (talk) 20:27, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

@Animeshkulkarni: It's regarding your previous comment. If you compare the images of a randomly selected set of 15 persons each from Aiyer and Ezhava you could see the fault in your theory. --AshLey 07:29, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Do you mean to say that readers (especially you) can understand caste of a person from their looks? §§AnimeshKulkarni (talk) 08:36, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Not all relations are symmetric both way. I didn't infer any "=" relation in my previous statement. --AshLey 09:35, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Well then what you inferred wasn't inferrable to me. Would you mind retrying it? §§AnimeshKulkarni (talk) 09:49, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Simple illustration: I will be able to calculate the average of a set of 15 random numbers, if the numbers are given. But, the reverse-engineering is not possible here. ie, If I'm given with only the average, it's not possible to assume the set of numbers, since infinite number of sets have same average. I think you could get the "connection" between the analogy and the situation here. --AshLey 11:06, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

I understood the Math part. But i still don't see fault in my theory. (I will go & get some Chavanprash till you come up with another analogy involving maybe biomechanics now. I will need it.) §§AnimeshKulkarni (talk) 11:26, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Please can you try to explain again, AshLey. We don't seem to have much in the way of policy-based discussion here but your analogy really doesn't help if people do not understand it. - Sitush (talk) 20:37, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

The analogy explains how I could assess the the <appearance of an average person of a particular caste> if I'm given with about {15-20 photos of randomly elected individuals from that caste}(it's a random sample of the set). It also explains why I could not assess {the caste}(it's the set) , if I'm given with <a photo of an individual from a particular caste> --AshLey 08:37, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

So if we give you two sets A & B, you will be able to tell which set is of which caste?
You know, keep that brilliance with you. Readers know how people look. They know how Indians look (nothing different from Pakistanis or Sri Lankans). They know how Hindus look (nothing different from Muslims or Parsis). When you are at a different level of the tree, you have to show readers something thats different from other branches, something that distinguishes them. You would not find distinguishing things always through photographs. But then you at least should try showing something thats much better than celebrity faces. Eg. Although a collage of weapons won't distinguish amongst different types of Rajputs, it would at least distinguish them from Brahmins. Bunch of 15 people dont even do that. §§AnimeshKulkarni (talk) 09:05, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

As AK has clearly elucidated, photo montages are not a way of building some kind of "caste recognition facility using facial features of celebrities". Let's not worry about that any longer. So that leaves us with the questions: Is there any encyclopedic value in including a celebrity photo montage in a caste article? Do we need a montage at all? --regentspark (comment) 14:07, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

We don't need montages of people anywhere in the caste articles. My personal opinion is to have some image in infobox. Empty infoboxes don't look good. Now if they are montages of some suitable images or simply single image would change case-by-case. §§AnimeshKulkarni (talk) 14:44, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

I wonder how AK could say that the appearance of individuals belonging to different Indian castes is indistinguishably similar. So you say the members of Deshastha Brahmin and Adivasi groups are looking similar. --AshLey 13:40, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

Montages of celebrities in Indian caste/community articles seem to me not to add anything of encyclopedic significance. Primarily because they are most definitely not representative of the communities as a whole. I am ambivalent regarding whether any image should appear and that is something that can be determined on a case-by-case basis: if there is something suitable then we can use it but otherwise we should not have some sort of ruling that an image must exist because that would rather force us into a corner. - Sitush (talk) 10:31, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

@Ashley: Yes! §§AnimeshKulkarni (talk) 11:09, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

I strongly oppose you in this regard. I think anybody with a public exposure in India would not support your view. && I'm not interested to continue this talk as it's going against common sense. Bye --AshLey 14:16, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

You are being disingenuous over here, you talk about identifying regular folks and then show images that are more culturally unique. The image you link to above does not fall into the same category of showing a picture of Rahul Dravid and MS Dhoni side by side and being able to identify the castes of either of the two. You can oppose all you want, but get your arguments straight. —SpacemanSpiff 08:52, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

Again I'm drawn into this disingenuous discussion. I didn't ask for Rahul Dravid or Sachin's photo in the montage. But we would find it difficult to get some free images of 10-15 common folks for each caste. That's why, as an alternative, we could post the fotos of 10-15 notable people(not 10 film stars) from different fields (music, poetry, politics, business, scholar, sports....), but reliable citation should not be compromised. If you have a group foto of people belonging to a caste, you post it (with WP:RS citation).--AshLey 12:54, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

It is disingenuous because you're (the only one, now that InarZan has left the conversation) taking it in that direction.—SpacemanSpiff 13:17, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

Spaceman, you are not supposed to talk like this- introspect! Difference of opinion will be there, but accusing some one opposing your opinion with dishonesty is not a courteous behavior. I will not respond to any of the posts here....Njoy friends! --AshLey 13:40, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

You do not know my opinion because I haven't expressed any. I have only commented on the fallacy of your arguments as you've been wasting everyone's time here. As is obvious, you are just not going to listen to anyone but keep deflecting, so I'll stop. —SpacemanSpiff 13:47, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

"Deflecting" - that's the behavioural word that I have been missing for weeks. One to remember for the future. - Sitush (talk) 18:17, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

• Its the same case as with the mentioning of caste in the articles/inclusion in List of people of X caste thing. No self identification, no listing, least of all, a photo. If one has self identification, then there's a case to be made out, but without that, we can't violate BLP just for the sake of aesthetics. Maybe we need to increase the font size of our BLP policy. Lynch7 14:45, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
• FWIW, I took a look at two articles Rajput and Gurjar. The Gurjar article does have a photo montage but, imo, it adds nothing to the article. The people in the picture are indistinguishable from those of other communities and none of the people are even remotely well known. The Rajput article, on the other hand, had no montage (a montage was added yesterday) but instead had two photographs of historical value. The one with the Mayo college students was particularly informative. Personally, I'd prefer the Rajput approach (as it was before the addition of the montage) over the Gurjar approach. --regentspark (comment) 14:56, 4 June 2012 (UTC) Additional note: In the Rajput article, there also appears to be some uncertainty as to whether the people in the montage are Rajput (or Bengali, Gurjar, Marathi, ...). I suspect this is going to be a problem in lots of articles (some of the Gurjar montage residents are Sikh!). I say let's do away with the montage, include only images of people who either self-identify with a clan or, for historical figures, reliable sources identify them with the clan. Much cleaner, more encyclopedic! --regentspark (comment) 18:07, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

Ask AshLey! He might help with his superpowers. §§AnimeshKulkarni (talk) 09:01, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

You mean with his mathematical powers! --regentspark (comment) 13:12, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

RegentsPark, my original query included not only montages created as a single image from a selection of images but also wikicode montages, ie: a series of discrete images loaded individually into the infobox. From your "include only images of people who either self-identify with a clan or, for historical figures, reliable sources identify them with the clan" it seems that you are content with the latter manner of doing things. Or have I misread? - Sitush (talk) 18:13, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

No. What it meant is that I hadn't given the matter serious thought. Based on my rajput/gurjar analysis, I'm leaning toward not including any montage that contains only pictures of people. I can see some relevance in including very well known people, the kind that a reader in the English speaking world would already know, but I can't see much relevance in just including photographs of people who are not well known outside India. And, no relevance at all in including people (as in the Gurjar montage) people who are not even well known in India. Looking at the montage in Bengali people, for example, I'm ok with Satyajit Ray and Tagore but the other photographs are mere meaningless clutter (imo!). As a matter of personal taste, I don't like these upfront montages at all - too busy - but they seem popular on Misplaced Pages so what do I know!--regentspark (comment) 18:42, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

So, where are we at with this? There are at least two possible types of montage currently used in infoboxes: those that involve multiple images contained within one "metaimage" and those that involve multiple images that are coded individually in the infobox. In both cases, the issues of WP:V, WP:BLP etc exist, And it remains my contention that the issue of weighting/balance/POV etc may well exist & in practice usually does. - Sitush (talk) 00:17, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

I think it is safe to skip montages entirely. My conclusion (from the discussion above) is that they don't offer any advantages but come with several disadvantages that include the ones you've listed above. Let's get rid of them. --regentspark (comment) 16:52, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

INCOTM Results for June 2012

Hi all,

The nominations for Indian collaboration of the month WikiProject are now closed. As per the nominations and voting that took place on the nominations page,

• Mary Kom has been selected as the article for collaboration of the month.
• Indian Cuisine has been selected as the article for taking upto GA/FA status.

Please join us in shaping up these two articles over the course of June 2012.

Happy editing, happy collaborating! :)

Request for research in Malayalam

We need help with the article Jayaram Padikkal - which is currently nominated for deletion but I am hopeful that it will be kept. The article does not have any biographical information about the subject - date and place of birth, date and place of death, etc. Any source would probably be in Malayalam since he was from Kerala. Can someone who speaks Malayalam look for this information, and add it to the article if found? Thanks. --MelanieN (talk) 20:31, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

Followup: The AfD discussion has been closed and the article was kept, but it still lacks basic biographical information. --MelanieN (talk) 15:54, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

Import Existing Photos from Assamese Misplaced Pages

We had arranged a photography completion on behalf of Assamese Misplaced Pages Community. The competition is almost successes with a result of 629 Photos and a lot of photos in Mail also which are yet to upload. We have lake of Manpower in our community. So, for importing we need help of Some bot to import those photos to commons as soon as possible. We have also lots of privious uploaded photos in our wiki. Please think about it also. This will be within the scope of WikiProject Assam and WikiProject India.

Please guide us. Can it made by a bot or something else?

Bishnu Saikia 12:06, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

There are a couple of bots on Commons that move photos from local projects to there. You should probably contact User talk:Sreejithk2000‎ as he runs a bot that does something similar and has experience with importing a lot of images from Malayalam Misplaced Pages. cheers. —SpacemanSpiff 12:47, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply. I will try it once. Bishnu Saikia (talk) 18:24, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

Assessment Satatistics

How to update the Statistics --naveenpf (talk) 12:25, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

What do you want to update? See User:Erwin/CatCount to understand how the page works. — Ganeshk (talk) 09:20, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

Special:Contributions/Kmzayeem

This user is continuously changing assessment from WP:India to WP:Bangladesh! Creating huge trouble. --Tito Dutta ✉ 17:15, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

He is also removing the India project banners from a number of articles, and trying to change the templates on history of Bengal and culture of Bengal to history of Bangladesh and culture of Bangladesh. Even with repeated explanation and warning he seems to be bent of proving that West Bengal is no part of Bengal. This needs attention. Aditya 03:25, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

Hyderabad map

Hi, can any one provide the latest map image of Hyderabad, India. --Omer123hussain (talk) 21:19, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

Hope, I am not mistaken, If this is the right place to inquire or seek help for the above request, but the article is going thru PR and we need to fulfill this requirement :).--Omer123hussain (talk) 21:24, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

Try OpenStreetMap. Download SVG (Export -> Map Image -> SVG) and clean it up a bit, if required. You can seek help from the WikiProject Indian maps members. utcursch | talk 07:50, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

Suggestion MOS:TIES

MOS:TIES should be clearly mentioned in article talk or somewhere in article body, in some India related articles, British English and American English are badly mixed up. You'll see the problem specially in date formats (DDMMYYYY (BrEn) and MMDDYYYY (AmEn) and some commons words like honour/honor, colour/color etc! --Tito Dutta ✉ 13:18, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

Sitush has opened a discussion about a topic much similar to this at Wikipedia_talk:MOS#ENGVAR_templates. §§AnimeshKulkarni (talk) 14:23, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

Help on finding Hindi Voice actors

Hello, Over the past few months, I've been trying to find some Hindi voice-dubbing artists of famous actors, but I am having a hard time searching, since there is currently no Hindi dubbing database on the internet. Since this is an India-related topic on this website, Can anyone online here try to help me find these following Hindi voice artists? Here's what I want to find:

• Who is the Hindi voice actor that dubbed over Elijah Wood's role as Frodo Baggins in The Lord of the Rings film series?

• Who is the Hindi voice actor that dubbed over Adam Sandler's role as Michael Newman in the film, Click?

• Who is the Hindi voice actor that dubbed over Gary Oldman's role as Sirius Black in the Harry Potter film series?

• Who is the Hindi voice actress that dubbed over Christina Ricci's role as Kat from the film, Casper?

• Who is the Hindi voice actor that dubbed over Mark Hamill's role as Luke Skywalker in the original Star Wars films from IV-VI?

• Who is the Hindi voice actor that dubbed over Blair Underwood's role as Mark Simon in the film, Deep Impact?

• Who is the Hindi voice actor that dubbed over Sean Connery's voice role as Draco in the film, Dragonheart?

• Who is the Hindi voice actor that dubbed over Sam Worthington's voice role as Jake Sully in the film, Avatar? I know Mona Ghosh Shetty gave the Hindi voice to Zoe Saldana's role as Neytiri and Vikrant Chaturvedi gave the Hindi voice to Stephen Lang's role as Colonel Miles Quaritch in the movie, but who gave the Hindi voice to the main character, Jake Sully?

• Who is the Hindi voice actor that dubbed over William Mosely's role as Peter Pevensie in The Chronicles of Narnia movie series?

• Who is the Hindi voice actor that dubbed over David Krumholtz's role as Michael in: 10 Things I Hate About You?

• Who is the Hindi voice actress that dubbed over Michelle Morgan's role as Debra Moynihan in Diary of the Dead?

• Who is the Hindi voice actor that dubbed over Martin Jarvis's role as Sir Cosmo Duff-Gordon in Titanic? I know Namrata Sawhney gave Hindi voice to Kate Winslet's role as Rose DeWitt Bukater/Dawson in the movie, but who voiced Martin Jarvis's role as Gordon?

• Who is the Hindi dubbing actor that dubbed over Johnny Bravo of the American cartoon of the same name? Jeff Bennett has done the Original English voice.

Once someone finds this artist, a certain Indian Wikipedian can make a Misplaced Pages page about a certain Hindi voice artist, but as long as they know a Hindi Dubbing Director, or might have already know the info about the Hindi voice actors of foreign films. Also, I am aware that some foreign films were dubbed in Hindi many years later, after their original theatrical release.

Plus, when it comes to finding these Hindi voice artists, you can add their date of birth and where they were born from as well.

I'm not Indian and I know this seems like a pretty big job, But if anyone who is interested into Indian dubbing industries and can try to take this favor, Please try leave a talk message on my talk board and see if you can do anything about it. I've asked other people who are Indian Wikipedians and that are also involved in the Dubbing Industry, but I got no info from them yet. But, please leave me a message, when anyone can. Thanks.

You can also check out this List of Indian dubbing artists as well.

--BlueMario1016 (talk) 16:17, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

FAR

I have nominated Bangalore for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. →TSU  09:02, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

Hmmm... the article is really in bad shape. I may try in some places, but one or more really motivated editor(s) needed to salvage this. There must be a lot of editors from, or interested in, Bangalore. Anybody volunteering? As of now, among the Indian city articles, Kolkata underwent a successful FAR (that is, the article retained FA status after the review) recently. So, Kolkata could be provide some guidance/template/pattern to follow in this case. Mysore is also undergoing an FAR, and I hope it will also be successful to retain FA status. However, it being a smaller city, may not provide guidance/pattern for Bangalore.

And one fillip of hope, although the articles are typically reviewed for two weeks, if active edits are ongoing, an FA may be in FAR for several months (the FAR in Mysore is going on for nearly six months, which is unusual but possible under certain circumstances). Please collaborate to save the article... Regards.--Dwaipayan (talk) 01:19, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

Report on the use of self-published sources

The first version of a report on the use of self-published sources is now available, in Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Misplaced Pages reliability. Some of the self-published sources listed in the report pertain to this project.

Suggestions on the report itself (a discussion has started here), and help in remedying the use of the self-published items that relate to this project will be appreciated. History2007 (talk) 06:20, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

Portal:Haryana

Hello! I will soon start working on Haryana Portal. Anyone interested? Vishal14K | Talk 07:35, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

Legal term: Stay

The legal term "stay" appears frequently in news reports concerning the multitude of high-profile corruption etc cases. Can someone with legal knowledge please add an "India" section to Stay of proceedings (sourced, of course). I rather get the impression that either the media are sometimes misusing the term or that in its Indian sense it can be synonymous with Adjournment. Thanks. - Sitush (talk) 00:56, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

Portal:India anyone?

There hasn't been any activity on the portal. I am to keep recycling the Did You Know (DYK) section with new(or old) information from the India Quiz, but I need help with the policy and possible guidelines for the News section being largely unfamiliar with the way Portals work and my knowledge of transclusion is also limited. --Harsh (Talk)(Contribs) 18:17, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

• Project-Class India pages
• NA-importance India pages
• Project-Class India articles of NA-importance
• WikiProject India articles