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:::The previous title was absolutely fine, it was backed by multiple reliable sources (including the , , , and ), and was in line with WP:BLP. The current one is nothing but weasel words. --<font face="xx-medium serif"> ]</font></font> <sub>(])</sub></font> 16:19, 11 June 2012 (UTC) :::The previous title was absolutely fine, it was backed by multiple reliable sources (including the , , , and ), and was in line with WP:BLP. The current one is nothing but weasel words. --<font face="xx-medium serif"> ]</font></font> <sub>(])</sub></font> 16:19, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

:Dear Producer, why you make always propaganda against Serbia?Why? You gibe us the feeling that you only search in the internet after bad articles about Serbia to put on Misplaced Pages but well articles never. Why? You think this will help to find a solution which is god for all people, which support the freedom? Which have to do with the reality? Why you do this? You think all users here are blind?--] (]) 16:24, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

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Ideology and beliefs

Why hasn't anyone been adding anything about Nikolic's ideology? Surely one cannot ignore statements openly advocating a Greater Serbia like this . I will add it myself if no one else does. --Jesuislafete (talk) 06:27, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

POV

This article in its current state looks like page of war criminal and it contains only short facts and large chunk of USA/Shqiptar/Cro/other anti Serb propaganda

  • Whole 'Accusations of war crimes by Nataša Kandić' part should be deleted, or, even better, associated with some other views under eg. 'Minor NGO reactions' or something alike. This part should have smaller percentage within article (this should be achieved by expanding article, not by deletion IMO)
  • Also ideology and beliefs should be added.

Petkowsky (talk) 18:01, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

It is all well sourced. Removing content per "I don't like this" is out of question here. Misplaced Pages is not a playground for someone's propaganda. Your claim that this is a anti Serbian propaganda by Americans, Croats and (as you call Albanians) "Shqiptars" says enough about your political bias. We are not going to remove things because they are unflattering. Keep the clean version of his biography for his official website, but here we like to show all of the information even if it is not the one his fans and supporters like to see.--Avala (talk) 19:48, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
Ok, I understand your reasons.
  • 1st, deletion of sourced parts isn't way to go, I can agree about that
  • This article is still POW in my opinion, but instead of reapplying tags Ill try to find some sources (as soon as I catch some time) representing other views, mainly Nikolic's role in Great Serbia project and his anti EU/USA statements. Then we will have balanced article without deleting anything.
Regards, Petkowsky (talk) 20:46, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Change in sex

In the second sentence it changes the gender of Tomislav I assume this is simply an overlooked mistake and I have changed it. Jin — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.13.123.75 (talkcontribs) 8 May 2012

War Crimes Accusations/Allegations/Controversies section vandalized

An anonymous IP (178.253.204.2, Orion Telekom-Belgrade, Serbia) removed this entire section w/o comment. There have been many versions of this section and I'm a bit worried about trying to restore it to the latest/greatest. Asking admins to try their hand at getting this 'fixed,' please. Thanks. HammerFilmFan (talk) 02:20, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

Too many controversies

In the “Accusations of war crimes” section, refs 32 and 33 are press releases from the “Humanitarian Law Center” published in another NGO (Greek Helsinki Monitor) website. As such, there are primary sources which should not be used in articles, specially WP:BLP articles (see WP:PRIMARY and WP:BLPPRIMARY). If reliable secondary sources can′t be found, then this section should be removed (also see WP:BLPCRIME).

Section “University degree” contains media speculations. These media reports attribute their findings to anonymous sources (see WP:BLPGOSSIP). Also, these reports were later partially refuted. See this article. So, this section should also be removed.--В и к и T 20:29, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

Agree, per wiki guidelines. --WhiteWriter 21:53, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

Srebrenica genocide denial

Why are you censoring the reactions that leaders had to his comments? If it is under the "controversy" section someone had to have found it controversial. Furthermore do not rename the section as that title is backed by numerous reliable sources. -- ◅PRODUCER (TALK) 15:16, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

If you have reliable sources then go and rename Srebrenica massacre article. Furthermore, section headings should be neutral and descriptive. "Srebrenica genocide denial" is not neutral heading.

The reactions are too long for the biographical article about Tomislav Nikolić. They should be as short as possible (WP:COATRACK).

Before my edits yesterday, about 40-50% of this article was controversies. If you want, we can go to Misplaced Pages:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard. They are not so tolerant as I am.--В и к и T 15:27, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

What nonsense I am not discussing the title of another article. Stay on topic. There's no need for your weasel words and the previous title backed by reliable sources is perfectly adequate.
Too long? You get to arbitrarily pick and choose what you personally deem unnecessary? The criticism from the leaders, aside from perhaps the NGO, should all be included as they are all backed by reliable sources. -- ◅PRODUCER (TALK) 15:40, 11 June 2012 (UTC)
The current section title is fine, previous title was POV. I have restored some of the reactions. Please read and follow WP:BLP policy. It's one of the most important wikipedia policies.--В и к и T 15:59, 11 June 2012 (UTC)
The previous title was absolutely fine, it was backed by multiple reliable sources (including the Guardian, Washington Post, Al-Jazeera, and AFP), and was in line with WP:BLP. The current one is nothing but weasel words. -- ◅PRODUCER (TALK) 16:19, 11 June 2012 (UTC)
Dear Producer, why you make always propaganda against Serbia?Why? You gibe us the feeling that you only search in the internet after bad articles about Serbia to put on Misplaced Pages but well articles never. Why? You think this will help to find a solution which is god for all people, which support the freedom? Which have to do with the reality? Why you do this? You think all users here are blind?--Nado158 (talk) 16:24, 11 June 2012 (UTC)
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