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This is NOT a pro-"Palestinian" or pro-"Israeli" issue this is a mater of a genocide of a people. I'm NOT even going to bother there is a clear and obvious propaganda campaign by the editors: Oncenawhile, Malik Shabazz, and Zero to cover up these historical massacres that can be consolidated as a genocide of the Old Yishuv shame on those editors and shame on you for your support/complicity. If those massacres should not be mentioned in the "Palestinian" article then the Holocaust should be removed from the German people article. Really shame on you. You're no different then the Iranians that deny the Holocaust or the Turks that deny the Armenian genocide. DionysosElysees (talk) 13:24, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

It is a pleasure to work with the co-editors you mentioned, Oncenawhile, Zero, and especially Malik Shabazz, and it is quite satisfying that this feeling is not unrequited. Do refrain from aspersing their good characters, and limit your criticism to myself.
Best Wishes Ankh.Morpork 12:02, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

Hi Again

Hi Ankh, just to say I have no hard feelings about the AE, and hope we can move on collaboratively together.

Could you satisfy my curiosity and let me know whether you've edited wikipedia before your account was opened in January? According to this and this, you've made 1,800 edits in 3 months vs my 2,700 edits in 2 years, but you know seem to understand the dispute procedures of wikipedia much better than I do! Oncenawhile (talk) 21:57, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

I have been impressed by the way you have handled this matter, and I acknowledge that I may have filed my expeditious report prematurely. (I was frustrated at the sudden regression to a previous version, which seemed to disregard our talk page discussions) As you have previously stated, we did appear to share a constructive working relationship, and I hope to collaborate with you in the future. Perhaps you are less privy to the dispute procedures because of your usual agreeable editorial style!
Best Wishes Ankh.Morpork 22:11, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

OK, thanks Ankh. I should also say that I respect your discworld-inspired choice of name.

Yours still curiously, Oncenawhile (talk) 22:35, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

The Discworld novels are an excellent foil to the weighty tomes I am periodically forced to peruse, and I esteem them so highly that I have decided to captitalise their title with a Capital 'D'. I can go on and on and extol their virtues, but I fear the credible risk of soapboxing on my talkpage.
Best Wishes Ankh.Morpork 12:22, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

Following me around?

How do you explain this revert? You don't seem to have edited this article and all of a sudden you come and revert me. You don't even leave a message on the talk page.VR _talk 23:35, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

This article relates to Antisemitism, Zionism and radical Islam, a heady concoction that I am incorrigibly attracted to. I am editing this article in spite of your lugubrious presence, not because of it, and re-encountering your customary truculence will not dampen my editorial ardor. I fiercely contest your megalomaniacal ravings that I am tracking your activity and request you refrain from maculating my talk page with gratuitous hostile messages.
Best Wishes Ankh.Morpork 00:15, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

I think you misunderstand Misplaced Pages:Disruptive user, if you think that the above message makes me one. And did you just make three personal attacks against me in one post: "your lugubrious presence", "your customary truculence", "your megalomaniacal ravings" ? Given your previous violations of WP:NPA, might I suggest politeness?VR _talk 04:59, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

Another user seems to also be concerned about you showing up at articles you've never edited before and reverting someone whom you're known to have disputes with.VR _talk 05:47, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

Since you mention my familiar interlocutor, Mr Dlv999, allow me to reminisce about our first trilateral encounter. It occurred at Talk:2012 Midi-Pyrénées shootings, when my good friend decided to pop by and share his sagacious views, unfortunately at odds with my own. This unsolicited visit prompted an uninvolved editor to leave these remarks. It appears that Dlv999 and I both share the habit of turning up at each others doorstep uninvited, (an illusion no doubt, due to shared interest) much to the surprise of the other, and chuntering about our "content disagreements". With regards to yourself, our interests tangentially overlap, and in the few instances when they manifestly do, I would assume good faith instead of deciding upon Wikihounding.
Best Wishes Ankh.Morpork 09:10, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

Ankh, you can use all the flowery language that you want but the fact remains, turning up in an article that you have not edited before and reverting an editor with whom you have a history of disagreement, without any attempt to engage with the ongoing talk page discussion or even an edit summary is problematic editing. You should just acknowledge it and take it into account in your future behavior. On a more general note, I don't have any problem with you reviewing my edit history, but if you are going to contribute to an article you should do it in the proper manner. Dlv999 (talk) 09:38, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

Aha! Speak of the devil! Let me switch on the kettle and see if I can rustle up some comestibles, while we engage in jovial nattering, and disapprove of each others editing habits. I am certain this will prove to be a most cathartic experience and I suggest we similarly reconvene at a future date. I assure you that my editorial lapses that exasperate you so, are highly atypical and I hope you consider the kind words that my companions have said about me.
Best Wishes Ankh.Morpork 09:47, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

Jocular forms of address

Greetings, AnkhMorpork. You've referred to me as "Babe", "Hun", and "M'dear" on the Zeitoun talk page. I don't doubt that you mean that in a pleasantly jocular, bantering way, but taken together with your userbox disclosing your feelings for Nishidani, it's kind of creeping me out, to be perfectly direct. I'm a man, and am probably around the age of your parents, so show greater respect for your elders, young 'un. ;-) I hope you won't object: I've removed all such pleasantries from the page, as I'd rather other users not come to an erroneous conclusion as to my gender, or as to the nature of our relationship, either. I'll get back to dicussion with you there in a day or two, btw. Cheers,  – OhioStandard (talk) 09:36, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

Well if you wanna play hard to get, that's fine with me.Ankh.Morpork 09:57, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

See, now, this last comment might very well seem funny to me if we knew each other, and it were said in person, so tone of voice and facial expression could be used to communicate which of many possible meanings you intended. I did see your post to my talk, and I usually appreciate humour that's intentionally outrageous, but there's not enough history or context between us for me to be able to interpret comments like this unambiguously. I'm wondering, for example, if you might prefer male company for your intimate encounters. I'm not asking, and it would be perfectly fine if you do, of course, although that would be at odds with my own choice: There's the ambiguity, you see. As it is, I'm inclined to reply, "Don't be familiar. We haven't kept pigs together."

Since we seem to be getting to know one another, though, you can find an example of the sort of humour I favour, by clicking on the final "really bad turnover accident" link in this thread about an autobiography of some wild child who bounced around the "metal" music scene in Los Angeles as a band groupie, I gather. I also like most anything by Monty Python; most of the I/P articles' talk pages remind me of this sketch, for example.

That said, I've been meaning to suggest Erich Fromm's book, The Fear of Freedom to you; I think you'd enjoy it. I read it when I was your age, exactly, and it was like lightning from a clear sky to me; I ended up reading most of Fromm's other books, as well. It's about the individual's choices when confronted with authoritarian environments, and it's presented in the context of the rise of Nazi power in Germany. If you're interested in the effects of authoritarianism on individuals' freedom of thought and action, there's also an utterly fascinating book called, Are We All Nazis? that deals with the same subject against the backdrop of the famous Milgram experiments.

Both books are very relevant to Zeitoun, imo, and to any situation in which people act in ways they'd otherwise abhor, except for orders from above. I wonder whether you've heard of the My Lai Massacre that took place during American's war with North Vietnam? It was in the news for months, and just shocked everyone extremely, when I was a young kid. We all thought at the time that it was an isolated incident, an aberration. It wasn't though. Years later, it was disclosed that the U.S. government could have investigated dozens or even hundreds of other very similar incidents, but they squelched the inquiry. In retrospect, and based on what I've read in the intervening years, I've come to the view that such behaviour by armies is almost unexceptional, that it occurs much more often than is contemporaneously disclosed. Cheers,  – OhioStandard (talk) 11:36, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

Your suggested reading material seems very appropriate; I am fascinated by social psychological experiments and analysis and I have previously ruminated upon the findings of the Stanford prison experiment, Milgram experiment and the disturbing Bystander effect which was cited in regard to the case of Ilan Halimi which profoundly affected me at the time (and probably still does). I have edited several highly emotive topics and perhaps this affected gaiety (e.t.p) is my method of detachment. I shall moderate my communications with you to a more bland and less excitable tone pursuant to your very reasonable and composed response.Ankh.Morpork 12:09, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

Well, we all need some way to keep the obscenity at arm's length. I remember reading that gallows humour has a measurable physiological benefit, for example, that it boosts the immune system's T-cell counts and lowers stress hormone levels, although only for the person who perpetrates it, interestingly.

Glad to hear you're already well read in the area, though, but do give The Fear of Freedom a try when you're able. As an interesting side-note, it presents one of the clearest explanations I'm aware of for the puzzling draw that S&M evidently has for so many people, or of one important aspect of that draw, rather. Fromm explains Hitler's appeal as a kind of masochism, and that explanation seems to me to apply to the word in its usual sense in the vernacular, as well.

I remember the Ilan Halimi case; the angels must weep at the things our species is capable of. If I were the Deity, I'd think hard about reaching for that "deluge" lever again, whatever colourful tokens I'd left in the sky after the last time I'd used it. I've posted a reply for you here, btw. --OhioStandard (talk) 02:51, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

Rochdale

Apologies, almost advised you into revert war territory. I'm sure we can redraft a suitable inclusion on the talk page. Keristrasza (talk) 22:01, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

The redraft has already been proposed twice...it is difficult to know which problems I am seeking to obviate when none have been clearly articulated.Ankh.Morpork 22:05, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

Nang Award

DBigXray has given you a LOLipop! This horrible pun and delicious candy promotes WikiLove and tells the world how low you will stoop for the sake of humor. Spread WikiLove by giving someone else a lollipop, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend.

For the Nang Sock award, couldn't stop LOLing at that, how did you spot the image for this ? . -- ÐℬigXЯaɣ 16:41, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

Spread the unrelenting joy of lollipops by adding {{subst:Lollipop}} to someone's talk page with a friendly message!

Thank you for my first award. As to the image, I like personalizing awards, user boxes etc and thought that picture was very suitable!Ankh.Morpork 16:46, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

Cool, the creativity in that image selection was awesome. keep it up, regards-- ÐℬigXЯaɣ 16:51, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Editor's Barnstar
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DRN notice

Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion at Misplaced Pages:Dispute resolution noticeboard regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is "British Pakistanis". Thank you. -- altetendekrabbe  18:33, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

Needy Holocaust survivors—disgraceful

Israel: Here's the nasty little country's treatment of its Holocaust survivors:

"I want the Germans to know where the money they gave Israel went," he said angrily. "I want the Germans to know that Israel took the money we should have received. I want them to answer one question: Where did our money go?"
http://www.haaretz.com/news/survivors-protest-makes-foreign-journalists-gasp-security-vanish-1.226913

Where did it go? Do you even care?

http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/israeli-state-funding-of-holocaust-victims-foundation-drops-for-third-year-1.424483
http://www.timesofisrael.com/survivors-stipends-slashed-before-holocaust-remembrance-day/
~ Iloveandrea (talk) 01:46, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

I can only hypothesise where the money went. Perhaps it went to building the Yad Vashem facility to educate people like Mahmoud Abbas that the holocaust actually happened. Perhaps it went to ensuring that there such an existential threat will never reoccur, and was used as part of their defense program. Maybe it helped fund the cost of regular elections that are a cornerstone in any democratic country. But I'll stop speculating because I'm sure the country's free press will be better suited in tackling this issue and identifying other failings in Israel, so that accountabilty and improvement can take place.Ankh.Morpork 02:15, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

Free press! That's what I said! Luke 19 Verse 27 (talk) 07:32, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

Good job!

Thanks for your contribution to ward against vandalism in Jessica Sanchez article as you did with this edit. I look forward to working with you. - SyncSeth (talk) 03:09, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

Iloveandrea

Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you.--Shrike (talk) 06:33, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

Congratulations, from STiki!

	The Anti-Vandalism + STiki Barnstar
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Yes, I also celebrate your use of the tool. Luke 19 Verse 27 (talk) 23:11, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

Its a pity it doesn't have a 'tool' removal function too.Ankh.Morpork 23:13, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

I reconsidered your comment and the person writing it, and I now realise its sexual connotations. Seeing as I have an immature sense of humour, I find that comment mildy amusing. Note that it thanks for my contributions "at-large".Ankh.Morpork 23:36, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

I've been accused of vandalism before, but I would never do such a thing. I'm just trying to spread love. If by sex, you mean love, then yes there is a sex connatation to that tool comment. It is a love-tool, right? Luke 19 Verse 27 (talk) 00:19, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

Keep going

well done

I hope you are a troll or an agent provocateur, because it would be quite upsetting if you seriously espoused such racist views. I totally reject your attempts to align my views with your own; I have no animus against the Pakistani community and kindly stop projecting your bigotry upon myself. Ankh.Morpork 09:15, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

Sorry im gonna remove it now Nordichammer (talk) 09:22, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

Grow a pair a horns, viking! If you're gonna fly your banner with a handle like that, then stand up for yourself. Did the vikings say, "sorry, we're gonna sail home now"? Or maybe I'm reading it wrong and your a Cham named Nordi Mer. Luke 19 Verse 27 (talk) 09:44, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

AN/I

Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you.

Just in case you weren't aware of this already. AndyTheGrump (talk) 14:29, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

West.andrew.g talkback

Not forgotten

I haven't forgotten our discussion on my talk. On the contrary, I've been thinking a great deal about your now-redacted comments, and your intact remarks about my use of the description "right wing". My focus on those two things has been interrupted of late by my internal reflections following from your and Shrike's British Pakistani edits, but I'll post the net of my musings to my talk soon, along with a talkback here. --OhioStandard (talk) 06:21, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

I've replied to your e-mail, btw. Cheers, --OhioStandard (talk) 22:58, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

Please remove my name from your userpage

I saw it a couple of weeks ago was prepared to leave it there as I thought it was humourous in light of our differences. But I have just seen your behaviour at British Pakistanis. You have degraded and embarrassed yourself. I have read all your excuses, so please don't respond to this with any more. You say you are "prone to mistakes" but you tested the limits way too far with this one. I know you don't believe it, but by trying to demonise a whole race you exposed innate racism. Oncenawhile (talk) 21:12, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

I don't like mine there either. Zero 13:16, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

According to CC-BY-SA 3.0 License he can keep it or remove it but it is his choice.--Shrike (talk) 14:48, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

Nothing to do with copyright. Everything to do with respect. Zero 00:33, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

Like I said it his choice.--Shrike (talk) 10:46, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

You wish to defecate all over my talk page and then suggest it could do with some spring cleaning? Ankh.Morpork 23:17, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

You won't get anywhere on this site without earning others' respect, dude. Peaks and troughs. Do the right thing and it will come back to you. PhnomPencil 19:28, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

FYI

I have said on ANI that I have found a couple of your edits troubling, and that is indeed the case. However, that is all that is meant by that comment. I am not aware of the context of them, and I will probably not be investigating unless the people who want to ban you come up with something better. Therefore, unless I change my tune, which will be obvious, please do not see that comment as a slur on you in any way whatsoever Egg Centric 00:50, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

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vandalism

Recent edit by 198.150.162.49 at We are the 99% article seems a pretty clear cut case of vandalism. (it seems like an almost random delete of text, cutting off the end of a sentence and leaving a fragment of a citation note.) I tell you because of this notice by you,
and this this notice on the 198.150.162.49 page.

This IP address has been repeatedly blocked from editing Misplaced Pages in response to abuse of editing privileges. Further abuse from this IP address may result in an extended block. Notify an administrator • contribs • block • block log

Two questions:
Should I notify some buletin board that a bot didn't catch it?
(talk page stalker) No Egg Centric 19:49, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
Should 198.150.162.49 be banned?
(talk page stalker) Not worth it, an hour since he did it, if this continues then report at WP:AIV and let an admin worry about it Egg Centric 19:49, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
--BoogaLouie (talk) 19:44, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

Too late, I've filed a report. IP has long history of vandalism and does not seem to have abandoned his old habits.Ankh.Morpork 19:52, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

To state the obvious

Regarding this revert of my edit you made to Israeli–Palestinian conflict: Difference between revisions. Just because PMW have been mentioned in news reports on the issue, it does not make them an RS on the topic that can be used without attribution, no more than a news report mentioning B'stelem or HRW mean that we can use B'tselem or HRW publications as RS for facts. In light of this your edit summary makes no sense and I ask you to self revert.Dlv999 (talk) 20:17, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

My dear fellow, there is an obvious difference between labeling something an unreliable source, especially when RS don't happen to share your view, and stating that attribution is required. I think this would be an excellent opportunity to ponder this distinction so I shall not heed your request.Ankh.Morpork 20:26, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

Irrelevant interjection

Noticed one of your edits and couldn't resist commenting that you have a pretty awesome username. 78.105.8.153 (talk) 23:05, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. I was busy reading Night Watch at the time and rather prosaically used that for inspiration. You'd be surprised at some of the bizarre interpretations of my user name which has been described as "specifically targeting me and muslims" and "cleverly disguised as wackiness, is in fact provocative and inflammatory (more pork!)" by two different editors.Ankh.Morpork 23:27, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

That's extremely amusing, but somehow not surprising given you seem to be active in articles associated with the palestinian/israeli conflict. Somehow I'm also not surprised that the entire area is still a minefield two years after I stopped being an active wikipedian. 78.105.8.153 (talk) 09:39, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

This is a very serious issue that shouldn't be allowed to be papered over by the Discworld smoke screen. It takes little intelligence to assert that the user name is actually a tripartite reference to devil dancing among young people determined to rebel against wholesome American cultural traditions. ( The user himself can't deny that he's young: It says so, right on his user page. )

The first part of the user name is obviously Ankh, a well-known symbol of devil worship. The middle word is not "mor" as the "more pork" school erroneously claims, but Morp, which is "Prom" spelled backwards, referring to a kind of anti-American, anti-good-clean-fun for freshly-scrubbed-God-fearing-American-youth, dance, properly chaperoned by responsible elders, and ending at 9:00 PM, like God intended. Besides, we all know that playing around with backward things like that has to do with death, and the devil. Finally, there's the word, "Ork", obviously a thinly veiled reference to the devilish creatures called "Orcs" in that infamously immoral trilogy. Add it up and it adds up to what it all adds up to: Young people throwing off the bounds of decency to dance, probably naked, certainly on drugs, to worship devils. And anyone who says otherwise is obviously just pushing devil POV.

Btw, feel free to delete everything beginning with my 20:00, 21 May 2012 (UTC) comment, in this section, if it makes you happy. Cheers, --OhioStandard (talk) 14:13, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

wow Ohio is this your wp:OR or you read it somewhere ? in any case I have learnt something, thanks :)-- ÐℬigXЯaɣ 17:18, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

Only the wicked demand a sign or a reliable source like the Bible isn't the reliablist source there is. You shut your ears to the truth when it's right before your eyes and if the shoe fits then it's like I said: "Anyone who says otherwise is obviously just pushing devil POV." You'd probably like it better if I gave you "proof" from ungodly "science" and left-wing secular humanist mediaist types. I bet you're naked devil dancing right this minute, aren't you? --OhioStandard (talk) 19:29, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

• Ohio I have no idea what you wanna convey. All I did was appreciate your excellent explanation and asked if you made it yourself or read it somewhere ? was this too hard to comprehend ? -- ÐℬigXЯaɣ 19:45, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

Wow, DBX, my bad: If I'd had the least idea that anyone might take any of the preceding at all seriously, I'd never have posted it. I was only playing; I made it all up. I meant it ( and my preceding reply, to you ) to be understood as satire, as a "send up" of editors who have suggested there's a dark hidden meaning in Ankh's user id. I admit some of it is very remotely plausible, but I never intended it to seem so in its entirety. So to be explicit: I don't really think you're any more likely than the average editor to be dancing around naked and on drugs to worship devils. Although come to think of it, given my knowledge of what the average WP editor is like, that's not really saying much. --OhioStandard (talk) 22:59, 25 May 2012 (UTC)   Please note my final sentence is intended ironically. - OS

on seeing the kind of editors coming to this page and their posts, anything seems to be possible. And one can easily take sarcasm as craze. if you know what I mean ;) -- ÐℬigXЯaɣ 23:07, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

Geshem

First talkback deleted.

Need help on page Saint Thomas Christians and Dispute resolution noticeboard

Dear User:AnkhMorpork, I am robin klein. I am having dispute on the page Saint Thomas Christians. The said people have a claim of being of Jewish origin that is corroborated by Scholars from various universities including Prof Shalva Weil from Hebrew University Jerusalem and Prof Katz from Florida International University. But a group of 4-5 editors are deleting any mention of Jewish origin of the said people (Saint Thomas Christians). There is a concerted deletion of mention of claims to Jewish origin by a community of ancient christians from Kerala, India. The said community is called as Malabar Nasrani a.k.a Nasrani Mappila. Nasrani is the Hebrew word for Jewish Christianity. It was the Portuguese invaders of Kerala who started calling the Nasranis as Saint Thomas Christians because they hated any Jewish reference to the a supposed christian community. Anyway The naming is a minor dispute within the larger dispute of the deletion of any cited mention of claims to Jewish descent of the Nasranis a.k.a Malabala Mappila a.k.a Saint Thomas Christians. I had put up quotes from Scholars from Hebrew University Jerusalem and also cited from research work from scholar from University of Texas. Prof Shalva Weil from Hebrew University Jerusalem mentions in her papers that the Northists ( a sub group of the Nasranis) have claims of Jewish origins. She also quotes in her paper about the claim that Saint Thomas the apostle converted members of the Jewish diaspora settled in the Malabar Coast (Kerala). I have given all these quotes with page numbers from the peer reviewed academic papers at the talk page of the article. Now editors are constantly deleting text that mentions the claim of the community to Jewish descent. Why or how would you justify deletion of text when I have given citation or page numbers from the academic research papers. The editors state that I do not know english and that I am misinterpreting the quote. To this I told the editor that since he/she knows better english than me then please help the collaborative wikipedia editing by rewording the text so that the misinterpretation is removed. But the requested rewording did not happen. I have given references and quotes. Why would the editor keep on deleting the text and not allow rewording. Clearly the research authors have mentioned about the claims of jewish origins of the Nasranis Christians (a.k.a Nasrani Mappila a.k.a. Malabar Nasranis a.k.a Saint Thomas Christians). With proper citations given, it is definitely legitimate to mention about the claims of jewish descent of the Nasrani people. How could the editors keep on deleting mention of the claim of jewish origin of the people when proper citation with page numbers have been provided. Does that mean that no mention of claims of Jewish origin should be made even though scholars have stated so, just because the editors have an agenda. The editors who are reverting have administrative powers. I think they are misusing their administrative powers. A lot of discussion regarding the deltion has already happened on the talk page of the article Saint Thomas Christians under the sub heading Jewish descent and at WP:DRN. Now an editor User:Sitush is threatening me that I would be banned from the article. This is using threat. Please help, thanks Robin klein (talk) 13:22, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

Talkback

your user page

The quotation of myself on your user page is offensive. Please remove it. Your editing behavior is getting worse by the minute and it is libelous of me to suggest that I actually support it. Zero 02:01, 31 May 2012 (UTC)