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I note that you are creating a number of pages about invertebrates. Can you ensure that they conform to the Misplaced Pages Manual of Style. Also, makes sure the the stub templates and categories are not red-linked. Thanks. -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 05:19, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

They are red-linked because the current kind of invertebrate doesn't exist in English Misplaced Pages. I'm currently working on those articles with SuperHamster--Mishae (talk) 05:30, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

If you create an article with a redlinked category it is best to create the category at the same time. -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 23:13, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

I can't translate well, so I translate only a small stub articles. The category was too big for my translation skills. I hope its O.K. with you?--Mishae (talk) 23:17, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

There is no translation needed to create a category since they can be set up without any text. Note that I have set up Category:Clytrini. That is the genus you seem to be working on at present. -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 23:22, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

Italics

Can you please use italics for the species names as I did in the Clytra novempunctata article? Thanks. -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 23:14, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

One more point

Place the stub message template below the categories as I did with the Clytra novempunctata article. -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 23:25, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

No need. I am doing that too now.--Mishae (talk) 23:26, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

Welcome, and thanks for taking up the task of creating beetle articles! I have taken the liberty of copy editing your created articles. Could you have a look at what I have done? It might help when creating new articles. I for instance removed tribe and subfamily authorities from the articles about species (a species authority only needs the authority for the species itself and synonyms, subspecies, etc.). Furthermore, if the species has no common name, the latin name should always be in italics (also in the text, not only in the taxobox). Please check the taxobox contains the fields: species, binomial and binomial_authority. You had that for most, but some only had species and species_authority. I think that was about it. Please continue writing articles, you are doing a great job! Ruigeroeland (talk) 09:17, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

I removed tribe and subgenus from all my articles.--Mishae (talk) 23:32, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

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Перевод

Здравствуйте. Заметил с позавчера, что Вы переводите стабы о насекомых с ру.ВП, поскольку боты проставляют кучу новых интервик на мои статьи. Чего я хочу сказать. Заметил я, что в этих статьях не хватает тех ссылок в ен.ВП, которые проставлены в оригинальной статье в ру.ВП. Вопрос: почему?Afro-Braz-Ilian 08:27, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

Хороший ворос. Не знаю. А когда я переводил с русского на украинский было тоже самое? Кстати, меня на РуВП заблокировали чуть меньше года назад, но АК может меня разблокировать если будет наставник. Можете ли вы им быть, пожалуйста?--Mishae (talk) 15:07, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

По какой причине Вас блокировали? /// Наставником, я, не буду. Да и какой лично Вам нужен наставник? Чем он Вам мог бы помочь? /// Ну а источники нужно все проставлять. Я приблизительно догадываюсь почему Вы не расставляете референсы, наверное из-за того, что всех их нельзя просто скопировать и вставить в ен.ВП, а нужно ещё изменить шаблон на англоязычный, и тд. Но, есть простой выход.. можно просто со статьи из ру.ВП, когда Вы её только открыли - то есть читательное, а не редакционное окошко, и скопировать источник - просто выделив от автора до конца названия книги или статьи и вставить новый референс в ен.ВП под удобным Вам названием, и раскидав как раскидано по переведённой статье.

Приведу пример:

Вот атлас-определитель агиртидов, реферанс, который правильно подогнан под шаблон "Книга" в ру.ВП:

<ref name="NikolaevKozminykh2002">{{книга|автор = Николаев Г. В. и Козьминых В. О.|часть = |заглавие = Жуки-мертвоеды (Coleoptera: Agrytidae, Siplhidae) Казахстана, России и ряда сопредельных стран. Определитель|оригинал = |ссылка = |ответственный = |издание = |место = Алматы|издательство = «Ќазаќ университеті»|год = 2002|том = |страницы = 36|страниц = 159|серия = |isbn = 9965-12-134-6|тираж = }}</ref>

Может показаться, что нужно брать английский шаблон и подгонять под него, вставляя авторов в топик aut, название статьи в name и т.д. Но совсем не обязательно так делать, да и переводить, это лично мне кажется, нелепостью, можно просто выделить со статьи →

Николаев Г. В. и Козьминых В. О. Жуки-мертвоеды (Coleoptera: Agrytidae, Siplhidae) Казахстана, России и ряда сопредельных стран. Определитель — Алматы: «Ќазаќ университеті», 2002. — С. 36. — 159 с. — ISBN 9965-12-134-6.

и вставить в

<ref name="NikolaevKozminykh2002"></ref>

под этим же названием, либо под другим, Вам придуманным. А название статьи, книги выделить наклонным шрифтом.

На этом моё наставничество заканчивается. Afro-Braz-Ilian 18:33, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

Странно, вы отказываетесь быть моим наставником, но инетересуетесь за что меня заблокировали? Ладно, история будет длинная: Дело в том что из за своей болезни я могу быть очень резким человеком, поэтому не удержался и ляпнул чего не надо. Все началось с того что я решил по редактировать весь кинематограф, может быть я это делал не так как "они хотели". Дело в том, что мне какой-то участник сказал что года в статьях про людей можно и не викифицировать. При том при всем, это был администратор, а не просто "участник"! Я послушался и начал девикифицировать года. После чего, посыпались сообщения на моё СО впредь до предупреждений. Не говоря уже о том что я терпеть не могу когда кто-то "врываеться" в моё СО, с "криком" Остановитесь. Я решил это "предупреждение" удалить через полгода, но администратор поставил его на место. Однако, ведь можно все сообщения просматривать через "просмотр истории"? Ибо по ихним правилам было сказано что "предупреждения потерявшые актуальность могут быть удалены не ранее чем через неделю". Дальше идёт другая "петрушка": Дело в том, что первые 4 мои статьи про кинематограф, были нарушением авторских прав, что в прочем не самое лучшее, но как первые статьи это простительно. Так шёл месяц, другой, мои статьи стали получаться лучше, притензий не у кого не было. Вдруг, я решил по редактировать и началось. Моё СО было завалено предупреждениями, даже сравнением меня с одним из заблокированых участников, что меня в обще взбесило. Чем люди были не довольны ума не прилажу. Вроде бы в РуВики есть правило "правьте смело", которое я взял на вооружение. Но как мне пояснили, "вы занимаетесь разпатрулированием статей", т.е, я накручиваю счётчик правок. А как мне делать правки без этого? После этого я решил: "Ладно, мои правки им не нравяться, я напишу новую статью, плюс, меня уже давно просили об этом". Что я и сделал. За весь год я создал 124 статьи в РуВики, что в сумме стаж участника, а не вандала, которым они меня называли там. Я создал очередную статью, и опять у меня вышел, к сожалению, плагиат. Меня выдали предупреждение, типа: "ещё раз увижу, зблокирую". Я решил это предупреждение удалить, заметив что моё СО уже кишит всякими предупреждениями, и другими репликами. Потом мне объяснили что "участник не имеет право удалять сообщения за искючением вандальных или пустых реплик". Мне казалось, что большинство реплик на моей СО были пустыми, поэтому я удалил предупреждение ещё раз, на сей раз другое. После этого, мне было выдано последнее предупреждение которое патрулирующий назвал "китайским". Не понимаю при чём тут это, и в обще не зная шутки такой я удалил его "китайское предупреждение", после чего настала блокировка. Озверевший на всю ситуацию я выяснил что патрулирующий работает над проектом "Израиль", а значит еврей. Я, со злобы, послал следующее сообщение заблокировавшему меня администратору, Андрею Романенко (знаете такого?): "Мало вас немцы били!" "Чтоб вы сдохли!", и всё такое. Сообразив что я слишком "горячо" высказался, я послал ему извинения, но было уже поздно. Вся "административная орава" уже кричала "в бессрочку его!", которую я потом и получил. И не одну, а две сразу. Одну, за удаление предупреждения, а второе, за оскорбление, за которые я правда извинился. После этого, я подал иск в АК. Но наглые администраторы включили автоблокировку, о которой я не знал. А арбитры отказали мне в разблокировке, из за её обхода. В настоящий момент я жду, что бы подать ещё раз, через 3 месяца. АК сказал что он может меня разблокировать только если у меня будет наставник, ибо так решила эта "тройка". В прочем, зря я вам это говорю, вы моим наставником все равно там не будете... Если я чего-то сказанул что являеться "оскорблением" в той или иной форме, прошу прощения.--Mishae (talk) 22:48, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

А, ясно. Ну, что я могу сказать... не надо было девикифицировать то, о чём сказано - "...не обязательно викифицировать...". С оскорблениями и выведением из себя, я и сам попадал, и даже два раза был блокирован... причина я молод и латыш, то есть не русский, и русским не владею, не то чтобы совсем, а не в совершенстве. Но как Вы могли заметить, по моему с Вами диалогу, это не совсем так. Да, и это не значит если участник участник какому-нибудь национального или этнического проекта сам такой. Но иногда... . Я думаю, что Вам больше повезёт в этом проекте, нежели в ру.ВП. Afro-Braz-Ilian 16:55, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

Спасибо за моральную поддержку, вы настоящий друг. Не то что эти на руВики которым любой "пук", выше нормы! Вот и я об этом. Если хотите, можете взглянуть на мою статью. Вас блокировали на максимум три дня, меня бессрочно. Две разные вещи. В русской Википедии плохо понимают юмор. Вам повезло а они могли вам за шутку тоже впаять, они же в руВики очень обидчивые. Советую вам перейти в Традицию, там все равны.--Mishae (talk) 02:41, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

О Традиции знаю, один участник предлагал взять участие в данном проекте, но я скажу Вам, что мне не по душе данный проект. Причина тому - мне нужны подтверждённые данные и конкретика, с указанием всех источников, которые использовались при написании, там тоже можно, но только можно, и нет правила ОРИСС как в ВП. /// Дабы меня не блокировали навечно - бессрочно я старался обходить грубость и обзывания. ||| Я могу Вам предлагать создавать, то есть давать ссылки на те тексты, которые Вы можете переводить на энглиш проставляя в них все мною проставленные ссылки и Вы будете здесь в почёте. Afro-Braz-Ilian 15:40, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

Договорились! Я бы мог обойтись без грубостей и обзываней, но прочитайте мую страницу участника, и вы поймете почему не в силах иногга это сделать, особенно если меня критикуют, и правацируют. Я очень плохо воспренимаю критику, просто хочу предупредить, что бы не было как в РуВики. Что косаеться ссылок в Традиции, вы имеете полное право перевести любую статью из РуВики в Традицию, и ни кто вам ни чего не скажет. Единственное что нужно будет сделать это поставить шаблон Википедия, и вставить ссылку на википедийскую статью.--Mishae (talk) 21:50, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

Про то, что и как в Традиции можно править я знаю, уже участвовал. /// Читал. /// Я постепенно правлю свои старые статьи в ру.ВП и выписываю исправленные в отдельную собственнуюстраничку, тоже самое я делаю с хорошими новыми статьями. Эти списки постоянно обновляю, по ним Вы можете ссылаться на те статьи в которых оптимальная (о количестве информации) и подтверждённая информация, и переводить на английский. Желаю удачи. Если какие вопросы будут возникать в процессе, то пишите мне в СО в ен.ВП, я часто хожу сюда статьи читать. Afro-Braz-Ilian 04:31, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

Re:Images

I dont understand.. These images are copyrighted as far as I can see.. We cannot use them on wikipedia. Ruigeroeland (talk) 07:54, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

O', didn't knew that, sorry. But can you find me some that don't? Plus, how come putting a game or DVD cover is not considered to be a copyright violation, while putting a picture of a bug is? Like, how did you put the images in your articles (I hope I am not accusing you?)--Mishae (talk) 19:35, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

Read this to understand what images you can use: http://commons.wikimedia.org/Special:UploadWizard Ruigeroeland (talk) 23:55, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

So, I read it. Are you implying that the photos you have on your articles, are the ones you take yourself. I doudt that some of this animals live anywhere in this nation?--Mishae (talk) 00:47, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

no, they were made by someone else, but they released them under a free licence. If you edit an article on wikipedia you also release your text under a free licence. People can also do this with pictures, music, etc. Ruigeroeland (talk) 07:48, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

Oh, and to clarify: a dvd or cd cover is copyrighted, but using these is considered "Fair use". This is because there is no free alternative for a cover (a dvd has only one cover). This is not the case for a picture of an animal. You can also read more about uploading images here Misplaced Pages:Uploading images. Ruigeroeland (talk) 13:16, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, that clears everything, sorry if it took me that long to get the point! So, can you find me a non copyrighted images? Another thing, the reason why I sent the images to you, wasn't my idea to scare you, like forcing you into illegal activity. I sent because I tought you will find a way how to make them not copyrighted, like free use, or contacting the site administrator (that sometimes they do on the Russian wikipedia). Again, if you tought that I forced you to do something wqrong, I am deeply sorry about it.--Mishae (talk) 21:03, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

No worries. I would like to help you out, but I really dont have the time for that. I usually dont include a picture if I cannot find a free one. If you are looking for pictures, first try Wikimedia commons. If there are no pictures there, you could try Flickr. Please note that most pictures on Flickr are copyrighted though! But you may find some free ones to use.

Another thing though: I noticed you started making a some one sentence stubs on species. This is generally not ok. You should at least put in distribution data (where it lives) and a reference. Furthermore: the source you are using to create them is out of date. I found two who are no longer in the genus Agonum anymore. See: Agonum arizonensis, which is now in another genus. I suggest you use a good source to find the current Taxonomy. A good place to start might be: http://carabidae.pro/carabidae.html. And please: add all synonyms if you make an article. This is very important for insect articles to prevent making several pages about the same species. Ruigeroeland (talk) 09:30, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

Ok, I now see you made A LOT of these one sentence articles without a reference. Please stop doing this. Most of these are not even valid species anymore. They are either synonyms or placed in another genus. Please use a good source like the website I mentioned: http://carabidae.pro/carabidae.html Ruigeroeland (talk) 09:54, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, I wanted to tell you earlier, but since I already fill you up with questions, I decided not too. I now put references in majority of my articles, thanks to your site!--Mishae (talk) 05:43, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

Parentheses

Not too long ago, I asked you to be careful about adding and removing parentheses from taxonomic authorities. I notice that you have again been adding misinformation to Misplaced Pages in this way. Please stop. --Stemonitis (talk) 20:28, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

Spelling of synonym

Hello Mishae. I have a short remark: I noticed you are adding synonyms to the taxoboxes now. Great! One thing though: you spell synonym as synonim. This is incorrect. As a result the synonyms are not visible in the taxobox. Please check if you spelled it right from now on and the problem should be fixed. Thanks. Ruigeroeland (talk) 07:59, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

Authorities

And please make sure you add the right authority for a species. In Neocrepidodera ferruginea, you added Heikertinger 1911 as the species authority. This is not correct. This is the author of the GENUS. The author of the species is Scopoli 1763. See . It is really important to get this right. Ruigeroeland (talk) 08:08, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

I'm soooo sorry! Some sites listed it as that so I added as that. But, you know better, I wont argue. Again, I am sorry for the incorrection. Another thing to point out: Just recently I learned where I need to put the prentecies and where not. So, I am learning slowly. I'm sorry if it took me 2 months to learn it! You see, different Wikipedias have different way to write the word synonyms. Some Wikipedias like Russian for example, will have | Syn =, and then synonyms will be written in Russian. In Ukranian though, its different, you write the same thing as above, and it will automatically give the Ukranian word for it! English on the other hand, is requering you to write the whole word, which I didn't knew about. Just to let you know, I have CP and autism, so it will take me a bit longer to get the point. So, yeah, I am appologizing for the third time, and I would like to thank you for having patience with me. O' and if its not hard, you can call me just Misha, I don't mind if people call me by my user name, but then again, you can drop the e and you will get my name.--Mishae (talk) 18:51, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

No worries, I had the same sort of problems when starting out. You just need to find some sites you can trust. A good tip might be to use Fauna Europaea for European species. See: http://www.faunaeur.org/ It lists distribution, authority and some synonyms (not all of them most of the time though). Cheers and keep it up! Ruigeroeland (talk) 07:49, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

New Biology-related articles

		The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
		Thanks for your recent run of new Biology-related articles. Your efforts to improve Misplaced Pages are appreciated! Northamerica1000 07:25, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

Arab Institute for the Holocaust Research and Education

A couple of things. One, does this institute meet our guidelines for notability at WP:ORG? The answer is yes, but you haven't shown it. You need to find sources discussing it, which is easy. I've added an external link to a German newspaper which is recent - use Chrome to translate it easily. I've also moved it to its correct title, which is Arab Institute for Holocaust Research and Education. Dougweller (talk) 10:28, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

Thanks! About The Egyptian Peasant and your link: I hope you have noticed that I tried to minimize plegiarism as possible. You see, I was banned from editing on the Russian Misplaced Pages, for the same reason. So, I am sheepish to do anything bad.--Mishae (talk) 14:37, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

How to avoid copyvio text

As I've said, your text needs to look substantial different in organisation and language. See Misplaced Pages:Close paraphrasing for more guidance. Dougweller (talk) 10:29, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

Nomination of Al-Manara Square for deletion

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Hi, Misha - Sam

Hi, Misha. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Urness.sam (talk • contribs) 22:19, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

A cup of tea for you!

Здравствуйте. Прочёл Вашу просьбу и не понял, почему Вы полагаете, что в Википедии бессрочно не блокируют участников, над которыми ставят наставников? Ваша вера в то, что наставник сможет наставить Вас на правильные действия при редактировании Вами статей и защитить Вас от блокировок и недоразумений, безосновательна. Psychiatrick (talk) 23:57, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages Stories Project

Привет!

Меня зовут Виктор, и я рассказчик с Wikimedia Foundation, некоммерческая организация, которая поддерживает Википедию. Я хронику вдохновляющие истории общины Википедии по всему миру, в том числе и от читателей, редакторов и доноров. Истории совершенно необходимы для любой некоммерческой, чтобы убедить людей, чтобы поддержать дело, и мы знаем, обширная сеть людей, которые делают и используют Википедии так много акций.

Я чистящих страниц пользователей ищет вдохновлять, мотивировать и интересных историй о том, как Википедия влияют на жизнь людей. Я задавал вопросы вроде "Как Википедия изменила вашу жизнь?", "Какая самая интересная история у вас есть о Википедии?" и "Википедии ли когда-нибудь вас удивило?"

В прошлом году мы использовали ежегодный сбор средств как способ показать миру, кто есть кто на самом деле пишет Википедия. Мы признакам редакторов из Бразилии, Украины, Аргентины, Саудовской Аравии, Кении, Индии, США и Англии. Эта кампания имела огромный успех, в результате чего наиболее финансово успешных кампании по сбору средств никогда. Кроме того, было кампании, остался верен духу Википедии, просвещение общественности, что это бесплатно ТОП-5 Сайт создан добровольцами, как ты и я

В этом году мы хотим выделить еще русский язык Википедии редакторов, так что я нахожусь в процессе планирования поездки в Россию в интервью редакторам.

Если вы или кто-то из ваших знакомых (или слышали о) была положительно сказалось на Misplaced Pages, или есть что-то интересное, чтобы сказать о Википедии я бы очень хотел бы услышать об этом!

Пожалуйста, дайте мне знать, если вы склонны к участию в проекте Википедия истории, или если вы знаете кого-то еще, с кем я должен говорить.

Конечно, если у вас есть какие-либо вопросы или сомнения, пожалуйста, обращайтесь! Я отвечу, как только смогу. Я приношу извинения за любые плохой перевод этого письма, я использую Google-перевод. Я надеюсь, что заставляет вас смеяться :)

Спасибо за ваше время,

Victor Grigas

http://en.wikipedia.org/User:Victorgrigas

vgrigas@wikimedia.org

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Hi!

My name is Victor and I'm a storyteller with the Wikimedia Foundation, the non-profit organization that supports Misplaced Pages. I'm chronicling the inspiring stories of the Misplaced Pages community around the world, including those from readers, editors, and donors. Stories are absolutely essential for any non-profit to persuade people to support the cause, and we know the vast network of people who make and use Misplaced Pages have so much to share.

I'm scouring user pages looking for inspiring, motivating and interesting stories of how Misplaced Pages has affected the lives of people. I'm asking questions like "How has Misplaced Pages changed your life?", "What's the most interesting story you have about Misplaced Pages?" and "Has Misplaced Pages ever surprised you?"

Last year, we used the annual fundraiser as a way to show the world who it is who actually writes Misplaced Pages. We featured editors from Brazil, Ukraine, Argentina, Saudi Arabia, Kenya, India, United States and England. This campaign was a huge success, resulting in the most financially successful fundraising campaign ever. It was also a campaign that stayed true to the spirit of Misplaced Pages, educating the public that this free top-5 website is created by volunteers like you and I.

This year we want to highlight more Russian-language Misplaced Pages editors, so I am in the process of planning a trip to Russia to interview editors.

If you or someone you know (or have heard about) has been positively affected by Misplaced Pages, or have something interesting to say about Misplaced Pages I'd very much like to hear about it!

Please let me know if you're inclined to take part in the Misplaced Pages Stories Project, or if you know someone else with whom I should speak.

Of course, if you have any questions or concerns, please ask! I will answer as soon as I can. I apologize for any poor translation of this letter, I am using Google-translate. I hope it makes you laugh :)

Thank you for your time,

Victor Grigas

http://en.wikipedia.org/User:Victorgrigas

vgrigas@wikimedia.org

Victor Grigas (talk) 00:33, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

Science lovers wanted!

Science lovers wanted!

Hi! I'm serving as the wikipedian-in-residence at the Smithsonian Institution Archives until June! One of my goals as resident, is to work with Wikipedians and staff to improve content on Misplaced Pages about people who have collections held in the Archives - most of these are scientists who held roles within the Smithsonian and/or federal government. I thought you might like to participate since you are interested in the sciences! Sign up to participate here and dive into articles needing expansion and creation on our to-do list. Feel free to make a request for images or materials at the request page, and of course, if you share your successes at the outcomes page you will receive the SIA barnstar! Thanks for your interest, and I look forward to your participation! Sarah (talk) 18:32, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

SIA project!

Hey Misha! So happy that you came by the Smithsonian Institution Archives project and signed up to participate! We've got a great list of subjects that need to be improved upon or written about. I do hope you'll visit the to-do list and dive in - do let me know if you need anything. And of course, your contributions can earn you the official oh so fancy SIA barnstar :) Thanks again! So happy to have you on board! SarahStierch (talk) 23:08, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thanks Mishae, for starting a new article on Truncatella californica, a species of gastropod! The folks at WikiProject Gastropods are grateful for a new stub to improve our coverage. Invertzoo (talk) 13:39, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

You are so wellcome! I will try to find some more, and maybe expand on the genus.--Mishae (talk) 14:51, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, you are kind. Also thanks for the two Bullina articles. Invertzoo (talk) 10:38, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

Again, you are so welcome. I hope not only the folks, but the gastropods themselves are grateful too! Hey, its the articles about us, weeeee!! :)

Sincerely,

Gastropods.--Mishae (talk) 15:59, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

Your post on my talk page

Sorry, I was taking a break. Not sure I have time to help right now in any case, but if it's an emergency, of course. Dougweller (talk) 14:32, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

You may try. I was warned once more for copyvio, this time it was close paraphrasing. I'm just afraid that I might get blocked if I will do it one more time! And you know, I don't have intention to violate any policies on Misplaced Pages, including copyvio.--Mishae (talk) 20:50, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

Edward MacDowell infobox and your recent article tagging

Hi, I see that you recently dared to put an infobox on a classical music biography! The classical music Wikiprojects are very insular and have their own specific standards for articles that the rest of the community is supposed to adhere to. They are very protective of these standards, one of which is that no infoboxes are supposed to be on any of their articles. Yes, its absurd as well-done infoboxes will give thousands of articles a more professional appearance and make finding key bits of information much easier. But who are we to question their wisdom?

But, rant aside, by adding all those "do not add an infobox per the classical wikiproject" tags to articles you are spreading misinformation about the way project-wide consensus works. If you could stop that I'd be appreciative. ThemFromSpace 17:05, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

User Jerome Kohl was in support of it. That way people will know that they are not suppose to add the infobox. Won't you agree?--Mishae (talk) 17:30, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

And indeed a lot of classical composer articles have them already. I honestly never have and probably never will understand the collective hate toward them in that one specific area but the want to try and keep "other" editor's hands off "their" articles is far from limited to infoboxes (such as the recent discussion on Talk:Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart. ♫ Melodia Chaconne ♫ (talk) 17:59, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

O.K. Then maybe you can explain why such infobox is placed in this article?: Lucien Capet. And he is not alone, just to let you know.--Mishae (talk) 20:18, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

Linking to disambiguation pages

Hello, Mishae, and thank you for your edits. Your recent edits to Elipsocus pumilis, Ectopsocus briggsi, Ectopsocus petersi and other similar pages included a number of links to disambiguation pages. These include Ash, Elder, and Lime. I've corrected several of these, but you may want to have a look back at these and other pages you edited to ensure that there are no more links to disambiguation pages, or that my repairs have not accidentally linked to the wrong page. Happy editing, Cnilep (talk) 04:11, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

Species from Great Britain, most of them have a larger distribution in Europe

Hello Mishae, great to see you are still making species articles, keep it up! Would you be so kind to use Fauna Europaea for European species next to the source you are already using? You are now saying a species is found in Great Britain and Ireland, but most of these species have a much wider distribution. You can easily find the distribution (within Europe) of ALL European animals by using Fauna Europaea. Go to , Put the name of the genus in the field "(Sub) Genus" and the name of the species in "(Sub) species" and click search. Click on the species you are looking for in the result page. You get the page displaying the taxonomy of the species (including synonyms). Then scroll down and click "display in table" or "display on map" to see where the species is found in Europe. See for instance for Stenopsocus stigmaticus, a page you made recently. Cheers! Ruigeroeland (talk) 07:54, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

Common names and italics

Hello Mishae! May I ask why you are moving the italics from the binomial name to the common name, like you did here? Curiously, jonkerz ♠talk 00:31, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

Perhaps people would look onto a common name rather than a scientific name. O' and I don't move italics, I just add 2 extra (') to the bold text. Mean time, I remove the 2 (') from binomial name, in order for it not to look double bolded. If it bothers you, let me know.--Mishae (talk) 00:36, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

These changes should be reverted since binomial names should always be in italics, while common names should almost never be italicized; this is the style used throughout most of science, and also the style used on Misplaced Pages (see WP:ITALICS). jonkerz ♠talk 00:51, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

This is exactly what I tried to do. How about this: Grey Antbird--Mishae (talk) 00:52, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

The italics on the binomial name is good, but italic type should not be used on common names without a good reason, and your use goes against the established style. See Eurasian Tree Sparrow for an example of a featured article following the manual of style. jonkerz ♠talk 01:04, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

See, the user before me used bold text on binomial, I decided to correct it which ended up with this for example: Grey Antbird. Now, am I did this article right or not?--Mishae (talk) 01:08, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

This is how it should look. I only removed the italics from the common name. jonkerz ♠talk 01:13, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

Thanks! I apologize for anything that I did wrong, by trying to do it right.--Mishae (talk) 01:16, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

No problem :) Keep up the good work, cheers, jonkerz ♠talk 01:20, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

Before you go, question, is it the same with every animal? Because I used to do insects and I did the same thing there, no body told me though it was a mistake.--Mishae (talk) 01:23, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

(outdent) Yes, the same style should be used on all animal (and plant) articles. I corrected a few articles linked from your user page. Many other have been edited by other users, such as this article (the same user also posted a message to your talk page here). Here is an excerpt from WP:ITALICS about when italics should be used:

"Genus and all lower taxa (including species and subspecies), but not higher taxa. The entire scientific name should be italicized, except where an author, 'cf.', or some other interpolation is included in or appended to the name. (See #Scientific names for details.)"

If you're not certain, you can try to follow the link and see how it was done in that article. For example, on Early sunshiner, Carabidae should not be in italics, but Amara should. And Early sunshiner should be in bold because it's the article's title, and Amara famelica should be in italics because it's a binomial name.

I have to go to sleep now, but feel free to ask me anything if you have any questions, and I'll answer them in the morning. jonkerz ♠talk 01:55, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

commas and parentheses

Hi, Mishae. I see you're changing lead sentences in biology articles from the form "The Crimson-collared Tanager, Ramphocelus sanguinolentus," to the form "The Crimson-collared Tanager (Ramphocelus sanguinolentus),". Thanks for making them conform with the MOS. However, please note that when you do that, you should delete the second comma as well, so it should look like "The Crimson-collared Tanager (Ramphocelus sanguinolentus) is a rather small Middle American songbird." See Misplaced Pages:Manual of Style/Lead_section#Organisms. Thank you. —JerryFriedman (Talk) 05:12, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

I've fixed that article and Lazuli Bunting. You did it correctly at Rufous-bellied Saltator. —JerryFriedman (Talk) 05:14, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for not blocking me, altough unfortunately, I already did the same thing to fishes and mammals alike.--Mishae (talk) 09:53, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

Persondata

Why are you removing persondata templates from articles? Deor (talk) 02:52, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

If the userbox is present why should the person data be there? Besides, there is more info in the texabox then in persondata, don't you think?--Mishae (talk) 02:54, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Click on the link in my post above. Persondata is metadata that serves a different purpose from the displayed infoboxes in articles. Please revert your removals of these templates. Deor (talk) 03:02, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

I read it, but what purpose does it serve? Doesn't it takes some gigs away, like gigs on Wikiservers? By the way, I don't have any reverting tools such as HotCat and others, so can you do it for me. I will stop. Plus, from what I can tell only English, German, French, Polish, and Spanish have it, others don't, so whats the point?--Mishae (talk) 03:06, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

I don't use automated tools either, so I've asked at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard#Need a batch revert for someone to revert the removals. The relevant passage in the page I directed you to explains that persondata "unlike conventional Misplaced Pages content, can be automatically extracted and processed by cataloging tools and then used for a variety of purposes, such as providing advanced search capabilities, statistical analysis, automated categorization, and birthday lists". The information in infoboxes can't be used for these purposes. Deor (talk) 03:27, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

O.K. So, I stoped. Questions: 1. Is it designed for Misplaced Pages staff only (as far as I can tell from your post)? and 2. Why does Misplaced Pages need Categorization or Birthday lists in persondata if the userbox have exactly the same info, if not more detailed such as alma mater and other stuff, which all of the persondata lacks off? I'm sorry if I did something wrong, hope I won't be blocked!--Mishae (talk) 03:36, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

I've just finished reverting all of those edits (I think). Please do not do that again. The PERSONDATA is in the article for external websites to scan from database dumps because it is in machine-readable format. The infoboxes are so varied and commonly contain references that computers cannot parse the data. And no, I'm not going to block you. Reaper Eternal (talk) 03:44, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for clarification Reaper, I am personaly sorry if I caused any destraction toward your site. Sometimes I use the common sense, but sometimes I lack of it. Plus, since I don't know Java, HTML, XML, or SQL scripts, my common sense versus computer language is apparently pointless. Again sorry if I caused any major trouble.--Mishae (talk) 03:47, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hi Mishae, not to beat a dead horse (I think you have the idea now) but the equivalent of Persondata exists on around twenty Wikipedias including German de:Vorlage:Personendaten and French fr:Modèle:Métadonnées personne. Thanks for understanding, cheers! --joe decker 03:59, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. You see, my assumption was at first, that PERSONDATA was used so that people could put an infobox instead of the PERSONDATA, and that was the reason why I deleted it. My other assumption was that it might take som gigs away, and perhaps thats the main reason why other Wikis such as Russian, Ukranian and Belarussian, among others, don't use it. But if its a useful tool, and it doesn't take a lot of space, despite having all caps, then I won't mess with it. Another question though, if its used to scan from database dumps of the external websites, why can't we use the same thing for every article? Every article is online based, so therefore, shouldn't it be used in every article, like animals for example?--Mishae (talk) 04:30, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

I can only answer some of those questions, if you want a smarter/deeper discussion on this I'd suggest here as a start.

But a few comments: it's important to understand that PERSONDATA is part of a whole variety of efforts to improve machine usability of the information in Misplaced Pages. (See, for example, dbPedia) And, like most of Misplaced Pages, it's a work in progress, which may explain why it's not "every" Misplaced Pages, etc.

For machine-usable information, you'd need to create a whole lot of structures for other types of information -- the characteristics important to, and generally available for people (birth date, occupation) don't necessarily make sense for biological species, or films, or... so longer term semantic machine-processable information would need to expand its range of templates, or ... well, we'll have to see. It may be (and again, WT:PERSONDATA is a better place to ask) this information will become a part of the new Wikidata initiative, but if it does, that information will have to come from somewhere, and right now the existing supply of PERSONDATA templates is in many ways the most reliable single place to start getting that information.

Hope this helps! --joe decker 05:44, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

There is something similar already in use, Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Microformats/hcard. CambridgeBayWeather (talk) 07:53, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Many thanks, thats explain everything for me! So far I know of WikipediaCommons.--Mishae (talk) 12:37, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Editing Misplaced Pages never takes "som gigs away". Edits, deletions, and other actions only ever increase the size of the database. Uncle G (talk) 13:24, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

• Uncle G, can you please not mock my spelling. Plus, how do I know, as I said before, I don't know any computer language such as SQL and others. Thanks though, for your explanation.--Mishae (talk) 13:35, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
  • Kiddo, that's quotation, not mockery. Any mockery exists solely in your mind, as it plainly doesn't exist in the above. Uncle G (talk) 16:00, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
• Uncle G, that is not wholly correct, though it is a message that needs constantly hammering home at RfD. While all edits do increase the size of the basic database, it is possible to increase it by less by making certain other changes at the same time, the "action" that reduces the saved page size, can reasonably be said to be decreasing the size of the database. For example removing all trailing spaces (from content pages alone) would decrease the size of the database by a significant amount (substantially over 30M), and every time a version of all pages was saved another 30M would be saved. So over about 30 edits a gig is saved. That is substantial. Add the mirrors, backups, copies and data dumps and the amount multiplies up substantially.

  Moreover reductions in page size do reduce the size of some of the XML dumps. Again many many copies of these are made, so we are talking significant amounts of disk, bandwidth, electricity, cost, CO₂ etc.

  Thirdly, and somewhat tangentially, intelligent template coding can sometimes reduce the size of rendered pages substantially, although WP pages carry a massive overhead of cruft that we cannot affect. Rich Farmbrough, 16:34, 29 May 2012 (UTC).
  

  • You're going to confuse poor Mishae with this, especially with the Newspeak that "increasing the size of database by less than it could be increased by" equals "decreasing the size of the database". Away to The Pump with you, stingy whitespace-scrimper! ☺ Uncle G (talk) 17:31, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Uncle G, as you can see I am not blind, and yes, I can tell the difference between quotation and mockery. I maybe miss understood you, but I certanly won't say "Any mockery exists solely in your mind", just because I miss understood you. To be honest, you are not perfect either (at least I think that, not all humans think the same). For example you wrote: "only ever". To me, that might be an incorect spelling of English, but how do I know. I'm Russian, I also have autism (if you didn't read my userpage yet). I don't even know what version of English do you speak, American, Australian, or British? And no, its not Rich Farmbrough that confuses me, its unfortunately you! At least the mentioning of The Pump was in my opinion unnecessary, not to mention I don't know anything about that either.--Mishae (talk) 22:54, 29 May 2012 (UTC)