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Grapefruit drug interactions

An anon user keeps making changes to the article that I feel drastically change the scope. He adds "and related citrus flavorings" or previously "and other citrus products with bergamottin such as Earl Grey Tea" to the article, essentially saying that bergamottin is the only thing that causes the potential reactions with drugs and grapefruit juice. Since this wasn't added before, I keep trying to convince him that a citation IS required, as you now basically changing the article from saying "Grapefruit juice can cause interactions with drugs" to "anything with bergamottin, including Earl Grey tea, can cause reactions with drugs." There is another chemically similar drug, 6’,7’-dihydroxybergamottin, which together cause the "grapefruit effect", not just the one, but regardless, a change like this *must* have a citation to stay, should it not? Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. Again, my concern isn't the accuracy, it is that making such a large claim requires citation. We have been reverting back and forth for a while, I keep asking him to provide a cite, he basically says I have to provide a cite to prove him wrong (dont get me started...). His faith is good, but his methods aren't. Any help or input would be swell. Dennis Brown (talk) 21:11, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

You are 100% right, Dennis. If an unsourced statement is challenged, then the burden of evidence lies with the editor who adds or restores material. That is to say that the statement must be removed unless a reliable source is provided. It is not the case that the editor wishing to remove the statement has to provide sources to show that it is not valid. Indeed, it would be impossible to operate on such a policy: anyone would be able to make a claim so unheard of that nobody has ever considered it before, and clearly it would be impossible to find a source saying that the claim is false. I have posted a message about this on talk pages of two IP addresses used by the editor in question, and also on the article's talk page. That may well deal with the problem, but if not then I suggest giving a warning about edit warring. If it still continues after that then feel welcome to contact me again, but I hope the present messages will be enough. JamesBWatson (talk) 21:38, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, I thought so (but I don't assume). It had gotten to the point that I needed a 3rd opinion, and WP:3RD seemed overkill for what appeared to be a cut and dry issue with an IP. If there are other issues, I will let you know. Hopefully he will either leave it alone or provide a reference. Dennis Brown (talk) 21:42, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

• • It would appear he wasn't impressed. Dennis Brown (talk) 14:07, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

I've posted a couple more messages to the IP talk page. If the problem continues then let me know. I think the matter has now been made clear enough to the person in question. JamesBWatson (talk) 14:21, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

He's back. I don't think he really cares what you or I think, he has an agenda (originally that Earl Grey tea caused the reaction, oddly enough) and it appears regular methods aren't going to work. Dennis Brown (talk) 23:01, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

Ah, and now the other IP has vandalized the talk page for the article. The IPs resolve to two different states, so either meatpuppeting or socking through a proxy, I have no idea, but the timing is too close for coincidence. Dennis Brown (talk) 00:00, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

Create protection on Christopher Tsai

Hi James; there's an Articles for Creation submission in which I think addressed the issues in the AfD debate. However, it appears that you have create-protected the page. If you think the submission is o.k. for article space, could you please release the protection? Thanks and regards, Bryce (talk | contribs) 02:50, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

I'm not convinced that the new version has "addressed the issues in the AfD debate". I have carefully read the very detailed summing up by the admin who closed that discussion, and it seems to me that the comments there about the references still apply to the current references. At a glance, the new draft looks impressively sourced: 32 references. However, closer examination reveals a different story. Quite a few of the references are duplicates, in most cases giving the same URL, but sometimes different URLs that link either to the same page or to another page with the same content (compare http://www.nysun.com/business/tsai-method-of-selection-stick-to-the-fundamentals/17304/ with http://www.pranaygupte.com/article.php?index=329). Then we have "references" to pages that don't actually mention Christopher Tsai, and ones that mention him briefly in passing. (e.g. an obituary of his father with such mentions as "The cause was multiple organ failure, said his son Christopher", "Besides Christopher, he is survived by two other children..." and " 'He loved doing transactions' Christopher said.") In fact, three quarters of the apparent "references" can be pruned out as either non-references or duplicates. What that leaves us with is a handful of references which are much the same in character as those which were present at the time of the AfD, and to which the closing remarks in that AfD still seem to apply. To me, this looks not so much like a new draft of the article which addresses the issues in the old article, more like a very professional job of making it look superficially more like an article on a notable subject. Christopher Tsai is a businessman who has accumulated a lot of money. That seems to be the substantial claim of significance in the article. We are also given extraneous information, such as that he commissioned an architect to build him a house, which lots of very rich people do, and that the house has achieved some attention, which may be evidence of notability of the house, but it certainly isn't evidence of notability of its owner. The draft article also contains such information as "Between 2000 and 2005, investors in Tsai Capital saw a cumulative return of 71% on their investments, far out-performing both Standard & Poor’s and Russell’s 1000 Growth Index, which saw loses over the same period". That looks to me rather like promotion. In summary, I see no reason at all to reverse the decision reached at AfD. JamesBWatson (talk) 12:56, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

Okay thanks. --Bryce (talk | contribs) 03:39, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

Good afternoon James

Thanks for your comments, would like to take the opportunity to address them if I may? And may I also apologise for making you go over old ground - I've only recently become aware that someone has tried to create this page before.

I completely agree that there are a general lack of external references, and that some of those references are brief to say the least. However, I feel that it is better to quote apparently insignificant (but indisputable) sources than leave potentially 'interesting' facts unestablished. E.g. By referencing the article on the death of Gerald Tsai, I'm merely establishing the fact that his father was reasonably famous - nothing more, nothing less. (In the same way, I was only trying to establish his notability as a successful fund manager when I compared his company's performance to S&P; on reflection, I see your point about 'promotion' and shall of course amend.)

As I said to Bryce, my interest in Christopher Tsai starts and ends with his activities as an art collector - I added details on his business dealings later because it seemed helpful, but they're of no personal interest to me. (Ironic how 'extraneous' detail depends on perspective!)

Even though many of the sources I've referenced are brief and widespread, I have no reason to doubt their veracity. I hope to demonstrate that Christopher Tsai is a notable figure and, for the following reasons, would like you to consider overturning the AfD:

His art collection

Over the past decade Christopher Tsai and his partner have acquired an extensive art collection, comprising of works from many popular contemporary Chinese artists - the collection is so large in fact that it requires its own custom building. He has loaned pieces to the V&A and some of his collection is even currently on a world tour.

Relationship to Ai Weiwei

You're right to say that many rich men have built their own houses, but Christopher Tsai didn't just hire an architect - he hired the man that designed an Olympic Stadium for a government that would later imprison him. Furthermore, the building that came out of that collaboration later won a major national design award, and was nominated for another.

(Given the amount of press coverage received by Ai Weiwei in the press, I am very surprised that more attention has not been paid to Tsai, as one of Ai's more prominent Western supporters.)

Precedents

If pages for Yves Arman, Paul R. Jones and Malouf Abraham, Jr. are allowed, why isn't this? All are fine fellows in their field, but their main claims to fame are their art collections.

Business

Tsai has clearly experienced some success as a fund manager and, whilst this may not warrant a page for that reason alone, it surely reinforces the argument when added to the reasons detailed above.

Thanks again for your time, I look forward to hearing your decision.

Coffeelover1979 (talk) 17:10, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

It doesn't matter how famous, notable, or significant the architect of Tsai's house is. Notability is not inherited by association with someone else who is notable. For the same reason, evidence that "his father was reasonably famous" does nothing to establish notability of his son. My father in law is notable enough to be the subject of a Misplaced Pages article, but I would not dream of using that as a reason to write an article about my wife, who is not notable. You say "Given the amount of press coverage received by Ai Weiwei in the press, I am very surprised that more attention has not been paid to Tsai". However, whether you are surprised or not, if Tsai has not received substantial coverage then he has not received substantial coverage, which is what is required to establish notability in Misplaced Pages's terms. The fact that Tsai is a successful businessman does not make him satisfy Misplaced Pages's notability standards: nowhere in the notability guidelines is there anything that could be read that way. Nor does buying a lot of works of art make someone satisfy the notability guidelines. It is, of course, natural for anyone new to editing Misplaced Pages to look at existing articles to get an idea of what is acceptable. However, unfortunately, it is not a reliable guide, as among the three million and more articles on English Misplaced Pages there are many that should not be there. You may find it helpful to look at WP:OTHERSTUFF. A quick look at the articles you mention suggests that Yves Arman almost certainly does not qualify for inclusion, and I shall look at it more carefully to decide whether to propose it for deletion. Thank you for pointing it out. I am less sure, at a quick glance, about the other two, but if I find time I may have a closer look at them too. JamesBWatson (talk) 08:34, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

Sensory, Inc

Why was the Sensory, Inc entry deleted? What specifically is promotional or advertising? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Octavius SV (talk • contribs) 21:50, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

The entire article. See also WP:NOTSOAPBOX. --Bryce (talk | contribs) 03:41, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

Yes, Bryce is right. There was no particular sentence which screamed out "this is spam", but the overall tone of the article as a whole was promotional. It read more like part of a company's marketing materials than like an article in an encyclopaedia. JamesBWatson (talk) 08:13, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

ANI thread regarding User:VodkaChronic

Since you declined speedy deletion nomination for this page I thought you should be informed of this . ~Crazytales (talk) 22:53, 5 February 2012 (UTC

It's Was Me

So My computer has been laggy and I thought it was just me being weird but then I started seeing all these links in "my computer so I followed them .... But I deduced was a project to profile people based on there web history etc... And as i dug a little deeper into the 12 internet connections in my window list .. I only have one... I was brought to Misplaced Pages... I'm sorry for all the trouble I caused ... but some of you's should be the sorry ones ... I was only tryin to figure out what was goin on and I was bein threatened " I am grateful for what AMA has done for me, can I help?

You can make a donation to Wikimedia or volunteer in some fashion that helps the Wikipedian

community. There are many ways to get involved; you might even want to start your own

voluntary association in Misplaced Pages around some issue or concern that you have. We are a

virtual community, anything is possible, just remember "If you do not want your writing to

be edited mercilessly and redistributed at will, then do not submit it."4:45 PM 2/5/2012" This is completely un American You's should be ashamed ... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.49.169.27 (talk • contribs) 23:26, 5 February 2012‎

I haven't a clue what you are talking about. JamesBWatson (talk) 08:08, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

Many thanks

I greatly appreciate your prompt action against the aggressive IP user 118.127.68.110. Cheers, Bjenks (talk) 00:43, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

Mail

Calabe1992 15:37, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

Talkback

Calabe1992 16:06, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

Hello

I am the subject of scrutiny. Give me the chance and I will amend for my past mistakes. Unlike others, i will own up to my past sins. Because I care. Cigaro Pizarro (talk) 16:12, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

I am perfectly willing to give you a second chance. Let me know if you have any questions. JamesBWatson (talk) 16:16, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

Alright thanks :). I am sure you know I am willing to subject myself to scrutiny corect? Thank you sir for your fairness. Your confidence will be rewarded :). Cigaro Pizarro (talk) 16:17, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

Category:Maritime incidents in 2012

Hi, would you mind undoing the removal of this category from all articles you removed it from please? Although this particular category was created by a banned user, was it really doing any harm to leave it alone? You could have deleted the category and then re-created it yourself if you felt that strongly about it, but deleting the category and then removing it from all articles was, albeit unintentionally, disruptive. The "Maritime incidents in (year)" categories are well established as part of WP:SHIPS categorisation. Mjroots (talk) 16:42, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

I do understand your point. At one time I used to fairly freely restore pages deleted as created by block-evading or ban-evading editors on request, but for various reasons I am now less willing to do so. However, there is nothing to stop you from re-creating the category. JamesBWatson (talk) 08:25, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

Treatment

Said good. FPAS is idiot comparing to you. Cheers. 79.191.251.232 (talk) 09:31, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

Wrongful use of your administration resposibilities/abuse of your role due to wrongful opinion

Hello "James",

I have looked thorugh the relevent dispute resolution process so this is my first attempt to contact you before I proceed further. As recommeded I will take your edit as a resonably good hearted intention, however if you continue to remove my edit, whereby all I am doing is siting a known and relevent method for said subject and also backing it up with a reference/s, then I will continue my resolution process and deem your editing as malicious and subordinate when I inform Misplaced Pages admin (or whoever may be concerned) of the intended abuse of your role.

There was no advertisement in what I said, before you edit my edits again, read the references and prove me wrong by way of a polite discussion.

I am lead to believe you know very little on this subject by way of how you are acting, yet you are ok to leave in subjects and references to said page in relation to "exercises" whom have NO scientific proof or basis, this speaks volumes and I would love for you to be able to change my mind, after all, I am still giving you the benefit of the doubt.

Sincerely,

Dr Mothvam on behalf of Andromedical S.L - Spain. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dr Mothvam (talk • contribs) 09:45, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

• You describe yourself as acting "on behalf of Andromedical S.L". Your edits introduced content relating to claims about somehing called "Andropenis Gold", and you sourced your edits to aedvertising pages at www.andropenisgold.com.au. You clearly at best have a conflict of interest in this editing, and I think you would have a hard time sustaining your claim that your editing was not promotional. I also suggest that you carefully consider the tone of any future talk page messages you may post. The above message reads rather like an attempt to intimidate me into giving way, under threat of unspecified further action. I hope that is not what you intended, but it could easily look that way. If you think my edit was mistaken, you are welcome to explain why. JamesBWatson (talk) 09:57, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

• You think of yourself as an admin, yet you are an opinionated fool. Your edits imply you do not even know the product in which I have written about, nor the site to which I reference that information from. How is it advertising when all I am doing is backing up what I have written with a site in which the information can be corroborated on and whom is authoritive in relation to the claims and/or products in which I am referencing? I think you would have a hard time sustaining your claim of advertisement when all I was doing was adding information to a page that was clearly in need of some. There is nothing of intimidation in this or previous posts, and if you take it that way maybe you should ask yourself why? You don't even have even backbone to include a real name for the purpose of an admin account in which you actively delete others work all in the name of your very narrow viewpoint.

Shall I take it as though my first attempt at communicating with you resulted in an all but a self opinionated response on behalf of the "Admin" that decided to remove relevant and substantiated information ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dr Mothvam (talk • contribs) 10:32, 7 February 2012‎

I am sorry that I am "an opinionated fool". I have been making a sincere attempt to do my best. Perhaps, if you think I am a fool, you could try to help me to understand better. Even if someone is a fool, it is unlikely to be helpful to tell them so. What is more, doing so is likely to be seen as a personal attack. Personal attacks of any sort are contrary to Misplaced Pages policy, and if you are seen to have made one then that will not help your case if you do take the further action which you indicate you are considering. JamesBWatson (talk) 10:39, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

• A fair statement I suppose and I did not intend it as a personal attack, my apologies if you took it that way. I do understand there are other avenues I can take however I will exhaust all others to give you the benefit of the doubt before I do that, I do see you have made many contributions to Misplaced Pages and I have found much useful information on here in the past and I suppose it is thanks to people such as yourself. It just really got under my skin when you seemed to claim you were knowledgeable about said subject by way of implying I was advertising rather than referencing, in any event how can we work together to amend the page so that more accurate information can be included? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dr Mothvam (talk • contribs) 17:54, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) (chuckle) Doc talk 09:49, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

:) JamesBWatson (talk) 09:57, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

:) Cheers! Jim1138 (talk) 10:38, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

Another page move

Can you assist me with another page move, please? Thomas Cope (1827-1884) needs to be moved to Thomas Cope now that I have correctly named the latter as Thomas Cope (disambiguation). - Sitush (talk) 12:24, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

Is that the primary meaning of "Thomas Cope"? JamesBWatson (talk) 12:29, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

Hm. The only other "Thomas Cope" that has an article is Thomas D. Cope. The one to which I am referring was involved with Cope Bros & Co, a tobacco company based in Liverpool. There are a series of related new articles that I am trying to fix. I have the feeling that, Yanks being Yanks, they will actually refer to Thomas D. Cope as "Thomas D. Cope" (and any possible successors as "Thomas D. Cope II" etc).

If it concerns you, then would Thomas Cope (manufacturer) be a better title? What is certain (to me!) is that the dates in the current title are not helpful. - Sitush (talk) 12:42, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

OK, I certainly agree that the dates in the title are not good. I've moved it to Thomas Cope. It can always be moved again to Thomas Cope (manufacturer) or something of the sort if anyone objects. JamesBWatson (talk) 12:49, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. I've just realised that the article on his brother has a similarly awkward title - George Cope (1822-1888). This one, however, is more problematic because George Cope is already being used for "George A. Cope". George was also involved with the tobacco factory, so perhaps "manufacturer" is the solution here? Or do we create George A. Cope etc? Life should not be this complicated, and probably would not be if we all had names such as Zowie Bowie and Moon Unit Zappa. - Sitush (talk) 13:13, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

I've moved George Cope (1822-1888) to George Cope (Tobacco products manufacturer), which I admit is a bit cumbersome. Perhaps just "manufacturer" would be better: I'm not sure. I've also moved the old George Cope to George A. Cope and made George Cope into a disambig page. However, I'm about to go offline, so if you find Edward Cope (1963-2004) or Simon Cope (1263-1309) or Æþelstan Cope (907-954) then you'll have to get someone else to move it for you. JamesBWatson (talk) 13:24, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

I'll, erm, cope. Thanks. - Sitush (talk) 13:26, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

Thank you

For trying to make Misplaced Pages a better place through the acts of banning and cleaning up Misplaced Pages. I am a new user here attempting to make a difference and it is people like you who make my life easier. Thanks again, and have a nice day. TheSandwhichWriter (talk) 13:28, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

Oh, and you banned my ip adress but then I logged in and I realise I was'nt banned. Cheers. This is'nt spam, right? hope it is'nt. I'm just trying to show some respect to you. You deserve it, really. TheSandwhichWriter (talk) 13:33, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

Which IP address was that? JamesBWatson (talk) 13:34, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

I'm not complaining but if you really want to know, I could log out again and check my IP address. TheSandwhichWriter (talk) 13:36, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

Elizabeth Seton School

Dear Mr. Watson,

I am Ferdinand Alido, a Director of Elizabeth Seton School, Philippines. I am writing to you because it seems you have deleted the article about our school. I have corresponded with Ms. Sarah Ewart regarding this and she mentioned that the deletion was requested by the author, apparently a student. She also mentioned that the article was only edited once by the same author. I cannot agree to this because I myself edited some details of the article.

Misplaced Pages discourages people who have associations to the topic from contributing which leads me here. We would like to request the article to be uploaded again, if possible. In case this request is not possible, I am requesting permission to author a new article. As a professional educator myself, I am bound to follow your guidelines on encyclopedic writing using a neutral tone. I will also provide sufficient verifiable sources which should fit with Misplaced Pages standards. I understand that Misplaced Pages discourages this but please understand that we cannot expect an outsider to know more about our organization.

Hoping for your kindest considerations.

Thank you.

Ferdinand Alido Director - Finance Elizabeth Seton School — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pdalido (talk • contribs) 04:06, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

Forgive me jumping in here, but the only substantive edits made to the Elizabeth Seton School article were by ImbaSeton36 (talk · contribs). The only other edits were some categorization and some link repair.

That said, there's nothing preventing a new article from being created, Pdalido. It's even possible for you to create it yourself, although be sure to cite secondary sources whenever possible, and don't be surprised if the article is flagged because of your conflict of interest. —C.Fred (talk) 04:14, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

I see that, by the time I read your message, you had already re-created the article. However, there are a few things that I think may be worth mentioning.

1. The original article had a few minor edits (such as adding a category tag and removing a "new unreviewed article" tag) by Vrenator and Kudpung, who are both well established and active editors, and I am sure you are neither of those. Other than that, the only edits were by the account which created the article. Therefore, if you are right in saying that you edited the article but were not the original author, then you and another person both used the same account. Misplaced Pages policy is that an account is for one person, and must not be shared, so please make sure that from now on you avoid sharing an account.
2. You are right in saying that Misplaced Pages discourages people from editing on subjects to which they have a personal connection. However, you are clearly aware of the need to edit neutrally, which is fine. However, some aspects of the article you have written do seem somewhat promotional. In particular, it is difficult to see the sections "Vision" and "Mission statement" in any other light than to promote the school's view of itself. Use of such language as "Scool programs that build on their strengths" also seems promotional.
3. Some of the details in the latter part of the article seem to be the sort of thing that might be more appropriate in a school prospectus than in an article in an encyclopaedia.
4. As you wrote it, the article did not actually tell us what or where the school is. We cannot assume that everyone who looks at a Misplaced Pages article already knows the basic background about its topic. I have added an initial sentence to correct this.
5. The problem I have just mentioned is one which commonly arises when an article is written by a person closely involved in its subject. If you are closely involved, it may seem so obvious to you what you have in mind that it doesn't occur to you to specify it. Likewise, to someone involved in a school, details of the curriculum and organisation of the school will seem large, whereas to someone looking at the school from a more distant perspective they may seem like minor details, so that from an outsider's point of view inclusion of such details may seem to give that aspect of the school disproportionate weight. Again, such aspects as what the school calls its "mission statement" may seem to an insider like central facts, but to an outsider they are likely to look like what the school says about itself to make itself look good. These are, in fact, some of the reasons why writing an article on a subject to which you have a close connection is discouraged: even if you have every intention of editing neutrally, if you are looking at the subject from close up it may be difficult to realise how your writing will look to someone who sees it from a more distant perspective.
6. As I have already said, I have written an opening sentence to say briefly where and what the school is. I have also corrected one small typographical error. For now I have made no other edits to the article, but I do think more editing is needed, to make the article more like an article to be published in an objective encyclopaedia, and less like an excerpt from a school prospectus. JamesBWatson (talk) 08:51, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

Censorship on user discs is contraproductive, rediculous and useless

Hi, please don't bother with childish games. Thank you. --Brutus Brummfuß (talk) 15:32, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

I have no idea what you are talking about. If you are trying to tell me something then I suggest you give me more context, so that I can understand your point. JamesBWatson (talk) 15:35, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

Redact information

Hi... I just reverted the addition of malicious content. Normally just a revert and warning, but this one contained a phone number and name and I'd like to get it redacted. What's the best route to take to get that done? Here's the diff Thanks! Wikipelli 16:41, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

I've revision-deleted the IP's edits to that article. I'll also have a look at other edits from the same IP. Thanks for telling me about this. JamesBWatson (talk) 16:47, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks! Just didn't want the number left out there.. Wikipelli 17:06, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks

... for all your efforts on WP. Glrx (talk) 19:58, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

User talk:Tom Reedy

Tom's page happens to be on my watchlist, so I saw your comment. The mistake is not his. He reported ip 64.238.233.58 . 218.. was reported by User:Dcshank . Paul B (talk) 20:36, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

Mistake?

No, I didn't report that one; I reported the one you blocked. And thanks for taking care of it. I'm pretty sure it's from a computer in a middle school library. Tom Reedy (talk) 20:37, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

I didn't take it as an accusation, merely a clarification. Cheers! Tom Reedy (talk) 20:40, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

Talkback

:- ) DCS 20:48, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

Note

Legal threat at my talk page. Abhijay (☎ Talk) (✐ Deeds) 08:39, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

Well, it's certainly uncivil, but I don't see any threat of legal action. Also, I think describing the edits as "vandalism" probably was a mistake, as it looks to me more like a case of someone editing in good faith, though perhaps making some mistakes due to lack of experience of how Misplaced Pages works. In such a case I think the first approach should be a friendly explanation of what is wrong with the edits, and advice on how to do better. If the problem persists after that then a different approach may be needed. JamesBWatson (talk) 08:50, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

Among The Leaves

Not wanting to get into 3rr territory here. . Album that isn't released, only a primary link, no notability, so I redirected to artist, keeps getting reverted back. Seems a waste to AFD, but somehow I'm failing to explain the idea of "notability" to them. If you have time to look, if not, I understand. Been a flood of crystalball stuff lately. Dennis Brown (talk) 23:51, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

You are perfectly right: the article comes nowhere near to satisfying any of the notability guidelines. I have given the user an edit warring warning, and will wait to see where it goes from there. I see that so far you have actually reverted only once, so you are in no immediate danger of breaking 3RR (the first time you redirected, it was not a revert). JamesBWatson (talk) 09:28, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

Category:User simple-N

Hi James. You recently salted Category:User simple-N which was repeatedly created by Babel AutoCreate. Yet half an hour after you salted it, Babel AutoCreate did it again. I'm not sure how that can be unless that account has user rights that it doesn't deserve but how do we stop this silliness? Cheers, Pichpich (talk) 01:22, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for telling me about this. Babel AutoCreate does not have administrator listed as a user right; in fact it doesn't have any user rights listed at all. However, Babel is a Wikimedia software extension, and presumably Wikimedia programmers are able to bypass the mechanisms that control what ordinary mortals like you and I can do. I have filed a Bugzilla report, and maybe it will be dealt with.

For what it's worth, other categories have been affected, as well as Category:User simple-N. In fact Category:User simple-3 has been fully create-protected three times because Babel AutoCreate keeps breaking through the protection. JamesBWatson (talk) 09:17, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

Elizabeth Seton School

Dear Mr. Watson,

Thank you for your concern. In regard to the mission and vision sounding "promotional," I did not intend it to be that way. The mission and vision are public declarations made by the school which, from how I understand, represents its epitome as and organization. But if this conflicts with Misplaced Pages rules I will gladly take it out.

Also, as much as I would like to complete the article, I can only work on it during my spare time. Please extend some consideration with the editing for the meantime.

Thank you.

Ferdinand Alido — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pdalido (talk • contribs) 03:01, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

Yes. I have deliberately done only a minimum of editing of the article, to give you time to work on it if you wish to, rather than imposing my own version without giving you a chance. JamesBWatson (talk) 08:26, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

Talkback

Abhijay (☎ Talk) (✐ Deeds) 10:09, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

Seen. Thanks. JamesBWatson (talk) 19:56, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

CRGh

Hi James, you said for me to contact you in case CRGreathouse won't respond to your remark at their talk page, but they did (edit: clarification: with a kind of dismissive and self-congratulatory response), so I left you a message on my talk page. Please take a look and tell me if you consider the matter closed. Thank you Thanks in advance. WillNess (talk) 18:00, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for your contribution to solve my IP problem

Thanks a lot, It works fine now. See you--Bruno2wi (talk) 10:18, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

List of the most famous and infamous people of the American Old West

I had asked RHaworth to look at this, but I guess he's busy. It is interesting, but I'm not sure it passes criteria. We have been talking on the talk page, but the arguments I've been getting aren't really criteria based. Honestly, I have no idea but my gut says it fails criteria. Would be happy to learn I'm right or wrong, but I think it needs another opinion before he invests too much time on it. Would appreciate your perspective on the talk page if you have the time. I'm guessing there is prior precedent in cases like this that I just haven't run across yet. Dennis Brown (talk) 15:34, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

User:Maynardox Conflict of Interest

Was the vandalism noticeboard the proper place to report that user? I do consider those external links to be spam. Would the Administrator's Incidents Noticeboard have been a more appropriate place? --Harizotoh9 (talk) 15:58, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

It's interesting that you should ask me about this, because I spent some time looking at this case, but didn't actually do anything about it, I think because I was called away from the computer before I got as far as doing anything. I see that Daniel Case thought you should have taken it to the conflict of interest noticeboard, but I think it was perfectly reasonable to report at Misplaced Pages:Administrator intervention against vandalism, because for some reason that noticeboard is supposed to cover spam as well as vandalism, and this editor's actions could well be regarded as spam. I see that, after Daniel Case had rejected your report at AIV, you followed his advice and reported at the conflict of interest noticeboard. I have commented there. JamesBWatson (talk) 09:20, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

Arthur Papadimitriou

James,

Thank you for your advice. You advised me to contact Wiki Australia to help with posting but I got onto the site and found it too difficult to navigate. Can you please help. I am more interested in starting a Wikipage on the Benalla Art Gallery.

Arthur — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arthur69papp (talk • contribs) 21:58, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

I don't think I did. In fact, as far as I remember I had never even heard of Wiki Australia before, and there is no record of my having mentioned it on your talk page.

Before you start on an article on the Benalla Art Gallery you should consider whether you are the right person to do so. If, as seems to be the case, you have a personal connection to the gallery, you will have a potential conflict of interest, and you may find it difficult to write neutrally on the subject. However, I will post a (somewhat belated) welcome message to your talk page, which will contain links to information which you may find helpful. JamesBWatson (talk) 07:49, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

talkback re Likealittle

Answered there. JamesBWatson (talk) 08:10, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

MSU Interview

Dear JamesBWatson,

My name is Jonathan Obar user:Jaobar, I'm a professor in the College of Communication Arts and Sciences at Michigan State University and a Teaching Fellow with the Wikimedia Foundation's Education Program. This semester I've been running a little experiment at MSU, a class where we teach students about becoming Misplaced Pages administrators. Not a lot is known about your community, and our students (who are fascinated by wiki-culture by the way!) want to learn how you do what you do, and why you do it. A while back I proposed this idea (the class) to the community HERE, where it was met mainly with positive feedback. Anyhow, I'd like my students to speak with a few administrators to get a sense of admin experiences, training, motivations, likes, dislikes, etc. We were wondering if you'd be interested in speaking with one of our students.

So a few things about the interviews:

• Interviews will last between 15 and 30 minutes.
• Interviews can be conducted over skype (preferred), IRC or email. (You choose the form of communication based upon your comfort level, time, etc.)
• All interviews will be completely anonymous, meaning that you (real name and/or pseudonym) will never be identified in any of our materials, unless you give the interviewer permission to do so.
• All interviews will be completely voluntary. You are under no obligation to say yes to an interview, and can say no and stop or leave the interview at any time.
• The entire interview process is being overseen by MSU's institutional review board (ethics review). This means that all questions have been approved by the university and all students have been trained how to conduct interviews ethically and properly.

Bottom line is that we really need your help, and would really appreciate the opportunity to speak with you. If interested, please send me an email at obar@msu.edu (to maintain anonymity) and I will add your name to my offline contact list. If you feel comfortable doing so, you can post your name HERE instead.

If you have questions or concerns at any time, feel free to email me at obar@msu.edu. I will be more than happy to speak with you.

Thanks in advance for your help. We have a lot to learn from you.

Sincerely,

Jonathan Obar --Jaobar (talk) 07:07, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

Block review.

That was irresponsible leaving the block on review and not accepting/declining it till it expired so that I couldn't add another request. --lTopGunl (talk) 08:46, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

I apologise for not dealing with that more quickly. It was careless of me not to put it on a list of things needing to be dealt with. However, I'm not sure it was "irresponsible". JamesBWatson (talk) 11:08, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

Its expired anyway, no hard feelings. By the way, would it have been lifted? If yes, and given that there was no 1RR imposed on me and I was blocked for the second revert, isn't such to be noted? --lTopGunl (talk) 11:24, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

Although I normally like to keep a discussion in one place, this time I have replied on your talk page, as you may like to have my answer on record in your talk page history. JamesBWatson (talk) 08:40, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. Got it. --lTopGunl (talk) 08:59, 13 February 2012 (UTC)