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Apologies

Okay, you're a newbie and I've chewed your ass out, entirely my fault, alright? It's Christmas, let's just bury the hatchet and unhappiness, shall we? Dave 16:38, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

• And another thing, please don't do this or you might regret it later when someone else reports you. It's downright negative, insulting and impolite but I'm not in that mood to report you since it's Christmas, cheers and best~! (PS:On second thought, maybe I will report since you're not responding by removing that offensive statement! Btw, Merry Christmas~!) --Dave 16:41, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

Please drop the patronizing tone and feel free to report me for whatever you want. And don't worry, I could care less about Christmas, this is just another day.--Andriabenia (talk) 17:00, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

• Actually, I was going to kiss and make up with you but you just had to make it worst than it already is. Don't blame me when you're the one burning the bridge beneath your feet. --Dave 17:08, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

Ah, such colorful language...--Andriabenia (talk) 17:11, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

• Not as colourful as I admired you to be. --Dave 18:36, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

Tamara Toumanova

Hi. I was just curious as to how Toumanova could have been born, barring illegitimacy, with her mother's maiden name (Tumanishvili). Her father's surname was apparently Khazidowich-Boretski or Khassidovitch, so wouldn't her birthname have been Tamara Vladimirovna Khassidovitch (or Khazidowich-Boretski)??

Yours, Quis separabit? 19:17, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

P.S.: I get that you feel strongly about this article (and doubtless other articles pertaining to Georgia), but remember you don't own the article. Quis separabit? 19:22, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

Eugenia gave her her own name because I don't think it was entirely clear who she belonged to. The reliable source I am about the include says that Eugenia's first husband, and real father of Tamara, was Konstantin Zakharov. I am going through some other sources and will let you know. I'm not making this up --Andriabenia (talk) 19:24, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

I wasn't implying you were making anything up. I just didn't get why Toumanova would have been given her twice-married mother's maiden name, given the scandal of illegitimacy that would have resulted, not to mention the impact on her parents' relationship as her mother was denying that her husband fathered her child. Pretty bold stuff for that time and place. What I wonder is what name appeared on Toumanova's birth certificate. Yours, Quis separabit? 19:31, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

Well, scandals were quite common for socialites like Eugenia at the time. Plus, Tumanishvili is a noble last name and I don't think noble women automatically gave up their last names in favor of those that were not. In any case, she could have just said that Tumanishvili was her married name and they would not be able to verify it, definitely not on the train or anywhere else in Siberia or China. I'm translating some sources right now, trying to solve this.--Andriabenia (talk) 19:45, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

Hi, I just noticed that the Toumanova page has been disabled from editing due to edit warring. I just wanted to let you know that when I last edited the page I was not aware that the intervening edit had been made by Rast5, with whom you are disputing, and assumed you had made the changes (birth name, etc.) I didn't check the edit history at the time. Anyway I am not a partisan in this matter and please feel free to remove (after the page is editable again) anything I may have added or restored which is factually inaccurate. Happy Holidays. Yours, Quis separabit? 11:07, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

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causa sui (talk) 17:07, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

Tbilisi

Kindly request to stop editing and explain yourself here. You are removing well-sourced information. Why? More than half of the table is Soviet census, and I'll get back on the 1897 Imperial census in a moment, but it is just one line in the table. Materialscientist (talk) 09:05, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

So why are you removing the table? Materialscientist (talk) 09:08, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

The ethnicity in the 1897 census was assigned by mother tongue, which was asked in the census. What does it change for Tbilisi, which was part of Russia? Mother tongue is one of the most distinctive attributes of ethnicity. Materialscientist (talk) 09:13, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

I see your point, but (i) your reference goes to the 1897 all-Russian imperial census, whereas the older data in the table are from other sources. I have access to the source on 1864/65 data, and it says the data are on "nationality/ethnicity", not on mother tongue. It is not the all-Russian imperial census, but a local (Caucasus) census. (ii) There is no clear definition of ethnicity, and if any, mother tongue is the easiest defining points, as the other one - "culture" - is much more vague. (iii) The 1897 census was the first census to attempt interviewing every household - yes, but every household on the national scale. We are talking about a single and major town, not even a rural area. Materialscientist (talk) 09:31, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

Yes, Happy New Year! I have no access to the Anchabadze book, but read the geographic dictionary of the Russian empire, and it seems detailed and reliable. My issue is not the accuracy, which is impossible to evaluate now (there is valid criticism of old Russian censuses, but it hardly applies to major towns). All data agree on that Tbilisi had comparable fractions of Georgians, Armenians and Russians for a long period of, very roughly, 1850-1950. I see nothing 'biased' or 'wrong' with it as some other editors implied - it is just an important and non-trivial historical fact which is worth documenting. Materialscientist (talk) 10:00, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

I've made some changes, toward deletion. The sources could be replaced, as local censuses were conducted frequently (see e.g. p. 9) but I want strong sources and am not keen to search for them right now (holiday mood :-). Materialscientist (talk) 11:22, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

Oops

I have no idea how this happened; I don't even remember looking at ANI yesterday, let alone reverting someone. It was some kind of slipup. I can only apologise. --Dweller (talk) 09:29, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

During a dispute, you should first try to discuss controversial changes and seek consensus. If that proves unsuccessful, you are encouraged to seek dispute resolution, and in some cases it may be appropriate to request page protection. (talk→ BWilkins ←track) 11:24, 30 December 2011 (UTC)