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== Revert Edit by Biosketch ==

I just reverted this edit -- http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Golan_Heights&oldid=463492771 -- by Biosketch in which he or she reverted an edit from a day earlier. In the earlier edit, I replaced a Subdivision Infobox section that had the word "Status" as "subdivision type" and a paragraph of text as "subdivision name" with "Country" as the subdivision type and "Syria (occupied by Israel)" as the name. Also, Biosketch did not bring his or her revert to attention on this talk page, as required by http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Palestine-Israel_articles#Discretionary_sanctions. ] (]) 15:33, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

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Syrian Heights and WP:COMMONNAME

The following phrase has been inserted into the Lead, “also referred to as Syrian Golan or the Syrian Heights.” The reference for the POV edit is one 30-year old source. Per WP:COMMONNAME, it doesn’t hold up. One ref to a 30-year old source is insufficient to establish a commonly used name. Moreover, I have found the following sources that refer to it as the Israeli Golan;

If one can refer to the Golan as “Syrian Golan” on reliance on one 30-year old source, surely one can easily call it the "Israeli Golan Heights" based on a multiplicity of much more recent sources that refer to it by that name.--Jiujitsuguy (talk) 02:13, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

"Syrian Heights" was common before 1967 and doesn't need to be in the lead. "Syrian Golan" is the standard name used by the UN and other international bodies and must remain (with a more recent source). "Israeli Golan" is not a name at all but a description. Zero 06:00, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
I agree that "Syrian Golan" must remain. The United Nations frequently refers to the region as "Syrian Golan" and there are many other reputable sources that use that name. This is an encyclopedia article, not a soapbox.YehudaTelAviv64 (talk) 12:28, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
"Syrian Golan" isn't a name in the same sense that "Syrian Heights" or "Golan Heights" are names. "Egyptian Sinai" and "Israeli Dead Sea" similarly aren't names but rather nationally designated territories or sites. Is there a source establishing that the Golan Heights are also referred to as the "Syrian Golan"?—Biosketch (talk) 13:12, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
Many of the articles references address that, but the one that I linked to above is especially clear. YehudaTelAviv64 (talk) 15:00, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

Map Problems

There are currently three maps used in the article which is way too many. This one is not neutral as it shows the Golan as part of Syria. The Golan Heights have been under Israeli civilian control for 44.5 years. They have been under Syrian control for only 21. I have compiled a number of maps from reliable sources (including National Geographic and United Press International) showing the Golan as belonging to neither Israel nor Syria. Please note the UPI map. The Golan remains under defacto Israeli control and it’s disputed status should be reflected on corresponding maps.--Jiujitsuguy (talk) 02:17, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

I agree. Maps that don't indicate Israeli control of the area are a disservice to our readers.--brewcrewer (yada, yada) 02:39, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
However the one JJG indicated does show Israeli control. Zero 06:02, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
Exactly, it actually specifically says that Israel controls the territory, with that control having a name. This attempt to whitewash the near consensus among competent parties on the Golan's status is more than silly, it is disruptive as it attempts to distort facts backed by countless scholarly sources to allow for a fringe narrative that the Golan is not Syrian territory held by Israel under military occupation. That is the position of nearly the entire world, and the sources in the article back that up. nableezy - 15:38, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

Improve Readability of the Lede

I think that the lede is currently way too wordy and dense with information. Let's work on improving the summary so it's readable and easy to understand. YehudaTelAviv64 (talk) 13:24, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

I see nothing basically wrong with it. It would be best to set forth your proposals here for general consideration.Nishidani (talk) 08:38, 30 November 2011 (UTC)
I've improved it considerably since my last comment. The lede is pretty good now, in my opinion. YehudaTelAviv64 (talk) 06:39, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

Purple Line, disambiguation

Small fix, but could someone make it so "Purple Line" doesn't link to the disambiguation page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.59.98.183 (talk) 17:29, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

Done, thanks for bringing that up. nableezy - 17:35, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

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Revert Edit by Biosketch

I just reverted this edit -- http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Golan_Heights&oldid=463492771 -- by Biosketch in which he or she reverted an edit from a day earlier. In the earlier edit, I replaced a Subdivision Infobox section that had the word "Status" as "subdivision type" and a paragraph of text as "subdivision name" with "Country" as the subdivision type and "Syria (occupied by Israel)" as the name. Also, Biosketch did not bring his or her revert to attention on this talk page, as required by http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Palestine-Israel_articles#Discretionary_sanctions. YehudaTelAviv64 (talk) 15:33, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

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