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Motive Motion Page

I am wondering how i can get the article Motive Motion to abide by Misplaced Pages standards. What information should I get to help this article out. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tim101 (talk • contribs) 02:41, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

You need to show that one of the conditions in the Criteria for musicians and ensembles is satisfied. --Muhandes (talk) 06:58, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

There are many valid links and information proving this in the article. What exactly needs to be added? Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tim101 (talk • contribs) 18:42, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

I have linked the relevant guideline twice now, here is the third time: Criteria for musicians and ensembles. For a band to have an article, a source showing at least one of these conditions is satisfied needs to be included. At the moment, none are. --Muhandes (talk) 07:11, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

So I can find one of these for this article but where exactly can i place them in the article? As a foot note? or a reference? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tim101 (talk • contribs) 15:07, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

Facts establishing notability are usually mentioned in the lead (with reliable sources of course). They are discussed in the relevant part of the article. If you let me know what you mean I might have a better answer. The articles deletion discussion is linked at the top of the article. What's the fuss though, are you in any way related to this band? --Muhandes (talk) 15:16, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

No I am not but I would have liked to contribute. as for now I cant find anything on it. But for future ref can other users find any information can the article be un-deleted and edited? Thanks!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tim101 (talk • contribs) 17:43, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

I think administrators can restore deleted files, but not being one and never asking for undeletion I can't say for sure. --Muhandes (talk) 17:49, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

RE: Summary Style

Thanks for the heads up. I actually was not aware that the attribution licensing of Misplaced Pages required that. I was picturing more expansion of the new history page, (I still have a few sections of information I will be adding and still need to do a proofread of the entire thing) , so it will be substantially different soon. I will also go back and try to reduce the old section a bit into the "Summary style". I will be doing this later today / in the next few days. It seems people normally put the template on the talk page, so I will do that. If necessary I could also put a note in the references section, but it doesn't seem that is required. Thanks Danski14 16:05, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

Yes, attribution template go to the talk page, no need to put anything on the page itself. As for summary style, I believe the original section should be reduced to one or two paragraphs summarizing the main issues. --Muhandes (talk) 16:58, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

List of Indian Engineering college rankings

Hi, with due respect to the changes you have made (from Outlook 2009 to 2010), I'd like to point out that the 2009 rankings give a far more comprehensive view than the 2010 one (due to the large number of colleges not participating). Hence, I felt it better to rank them according to the 2009 rankings as opposed to 2010. Awaiting your comments on this. Thanks! Lynch7 16:19, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

I'm afraid I don't agree. In the matter of academic ranking, the latest ranking are what matters. The fact that some institutes choose not to participate is their own problem. --Muhandes (talk) 16:56, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

Well, 'Tis true, but quite unfortunate. Anyways, nice talking to you. Have a good day! Lynch7 18:10, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

Sex Symbols Topics

...continue

all my quotes have sources, you just check. who should be banned because it is you leave the topic without deleting texts and information all the time. (Example: 30s). there should be a senior manager from Misplaced Pages to see what you are doing, because you're wrong! you ruined a topic that was very organized. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sandra021075 (talk • contribs) 16:43, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

Dear Sandra. By "sourced" we mean "has a source that verifies the claim", in this case, the claim that a person is a sex symbol. The sourced you added do not verify that claim. Anyway, it is better to discuss matters of content on the page's talk page than on another editor's talk page. --Muhandes (talk) 16:53, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

Panjab University, Chandigarh

Please explain the reason for removal of information about the hostels. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sarvpriye (talk • contribs) 00:08, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

My edit summary was very clear. The material was copy pasted from http://hostels.puchd.ac.in/ thus violating the copyrights of the university. Misplaced Pages cannot use copyrighted material without explicit permission. I did not look thoroughly at all the text in the article, but from a quick glimpse it seems like more of this page was thus pasted, which should also be removed promptly. --Muhandes (talk) 18:07, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Polish Society of the Phonographic Industry

On 25 June 2011, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Polish Society of the Phonographic Industry, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that the album Kayah i Bregović by Goran Bregović and Kayah was the first to receive a Diamond award by the Polish Society of the Phonographic Industry in July 2000? You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

The DYK project (nominate) 18:04, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

An Invite to join the WikiProject Education in India

- - - - - - - - - - - - WikiProject Education in India - - - - - - - - - - - -
Hi, Muhandes, you are graciously extended an invitation to join the Indian Education ! The WikiProject Indian Education is an evolving and expanding WikiProject. We are a group of editors who are dedicated to creating, revising, and expanding articles, lists, categories and Wikiprojects, to do with anything related to Indian Education System(Schools,Colleges and Universities).
As you have shown an interest in article related to Education in India we thought you might like to take an interest in this growing WikiProject.Thank you for your contributions.
We look forward to welcoming you to the project!

naveenpf (talk) 02:32, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

I might as well, seems like that's most of what I'm doing these days. --Muhandes (talk) 05:09, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

And quite a good job at that ;) Lynch7 05:10, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for joining WP:INEI

naveenpf (talk) 05:47, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Naveen Jain

I reverted you here, but only because I think you misunderstood the situation. I want to invite you to take part in the discussion on the talk page of the article.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 13:00, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

I was not aware of the amount of bad blood on this silly issue. It seems like a clear case of healthy head/sick bed, so I'll step out. --Muhandes (talk) 13:25, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

:-) I have never heard that expression, "healthy head/sick bed". I do invite you to join the discussion, though, because the article needs people from outside past difficulties to make sure things stay moderate and up beat!--Jimbo Wales (talk) 13:31, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

It's in Yiddish originally, "laig zich nit mit a gezunter kop in a kranken bet" (don't lie down with a healthy head in a sick bed). From the look I had at that talk page it seemed way past moderate discussion, and I have so much things better to do than to enter a fight I am really not that interested in. But you have a point, I'll keep watch and if it remains civil I'll donate my 2c. --Muhandes (talk) 13:47, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

A little recognition...

		The WikiProject Albums Barnstar
		Hi, I just wanted to recognize you for the redundant but important work you are doing moving ratings out of infoboxes. Your efforts are appreciated. J04n(talk page) 21:55, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Redundant but important? Thanks I guess. --Muhandes (talk) 11:52, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Ha, I meant it must be redundant for you to make all of the moves to so many pages not that the result was redundant. It was meant as nothing but praise, thanks for the work you do. J04n(talk page) 13:36, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Right you are, it is redundant for me. All in good spirit :) Thanks. --Muhandes (talk) 13:57, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Light vs. lighthouse

"Lighthouse" is common use. This is reflected in the fact that all the subjects say "the X light is a lighthouse". I won't push the issue, but there is something strange about calling them "lights". It's like not using "traffic" for a traffic light (which is much more common) - it's just lazy, and results in pages titled "Reading light". And BTW, none of the references provided in the articles use this term. --Sreifa (talk) 04:24, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Sreifa, trust me, the subject has been discussed to death over the years at the lighthouses project. Charts, lists of lights, and marine people in general, always call them lights. Think about it, a navigator at night has no way of telling if there is a lighthouse there or not - all he sees is a light. Land people who never use them may call them lighthouses, especially when the light is not active. The result of multiple discussions in the WikiProject is an understanding that we don't move an article that another editor wrote unless there is an extremely good reason. --Muhandes (talk) 05:20, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

that why I won't push it :-) (how like wikipedia) --Sreifa (talk) 15:36, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

vandalising

Dear sir what give you the right to alter information can you provide the qualification you hold in music as you rthink you know it all if you fail to supply i will pass your information to the information commissioner who regulates sites like this one and also you could face criminal proceeding.

i await your responce — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.242.241.70 (talk) 12:19, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

You are a funny boy/girl, so I'll humour you. All certifications I bring are from the BPI database. That's the most reliable place for BPI certification (see the connection? BPI database for BPI certifications. Who would have guessed?) You keep bringing unsourced numbers, which I have to revert. Please stop, it's getting old. --Muhandes (talk) 12:53, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Oh, and I do so wish to meet the "information commissioner who regulates sites like this one", you might have heard of him, he's called "anybody". And I could be facing criminal proceedings, oh my. Is that a legal threat? --Muhandes (talk) 14:49, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

The answers of your questions?

Q.He "said that it was truth of Ahmadiyya Muslim Community" - what was a truth? the fire? Ans. The fire was a sign a of truth of Ahmadiyya Muslim Community because Mirza Tahir Ahmad on 2nd May 1998 said that a day before the fire anti-ahmadiyya sentiment accepted mubillah{debate} challenged and swore on Kaaba that, "Allah, we mullahs are true and Ahmadis are liars. As the are liars so your curse should be on them and the day after fire took place in holy city of Makkah. Mirza Tahir Ahmad said the accepting the debate challenged by mullahs and fire after their accepting the challenge is sign of truth of Ahmadiyya Muslim Community. Mirza Tahir Ahmad said that after their sworing on Kaaba that, "We are true and Ahmadis are liars. They said the liars should be cursed. The day after fire took place and indicating that Allah is with Ahmadiyya Muslim Community and not with anti-ahmadiyya sentiment having mullahs.

Q. What does "being a truth" mean? This isn't in English. Ans.It was a sign of truth of Ahmadiyya Muslim Community and the proof that Allah is with Ahmadiyya Muslim Community and not anti-Ahmadiyya sentiment having mullahs

Q. "He said that it was recorded that anti-Ahmadiyya sentiment mullahs swore on Kaaba that Allah Almighty we are true and Ahmadis and your curse should on them." - How is this relevant? What does it mean? Ans. On 2nd May 1998, as a recording of Muslim Television Ahmadiyya, Mirza Tahir Ahmad said that, It is a record that anti-ahmadiyya sentiment accepted the mubillah {debate swore on Kaaba that Allah, we are true. Ahamdis are liars. Your curse should be on liars. He said that taking place of fire day after their sworing on Kaaba is a sign of truth of [[Ahmadiyya Muslim Community

Q.He "said that it did not came on media because it was sign of truth of Ahmadiyya Muslim Community." What did not "come on media"? What does "coming on media" even mean? Ans. While answering a question Mirza Tahir Ahamd said that the taking place of Makkah Fire 1997 did not come Pakistani or Arabic media because it was a sign of truth of Ahmadiyya Muslim Community. Now as it was sign of truth of Ahmadiyya Muslim Community which is considered as a heretic by them. It was against the anti-ahmadiyya sentiment mullahs and others who opposed Ahmadiyya Muslim Community then it should come on Pakistani media and Arabic media which is in control of anti-ahmadiyya sentiment having muslims. Mirza Tahir Ahmad said that why they raise this news which is a sign of their falsiness and truth of Ahmadiyya Muslim Community. One who has Tawah and piety can easily see that Allah is with us and not with them.

Q."He said no Ahmadi was not hurt." - So all Ahmadis were heart? Every single one of them? Ans. It quoted after listening to that urdu video which is a recording of Muslim Television Ahmadiyya. Mirza Tahir Ahmad said that, "Not even a single Ahmadi was hurt and others who are having anti-ahmadiyya sentiment were being. Some of them were died because of fire physically touching and some died by falling

I hope that your are conveyed because of my answers, If you still having any confusion then you can watch the urdu video which is a recording of MTA International which I had a provided in the references. Thanks,--Nokhaiz Kaunpal (talk) 07:14, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Now after the answers, you should undo the removing of my editing of Ahmadiyya Reactions. There should be this heading and my editing.--Nokhaiz Kaunpal (talk) 07:17, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

In the future, please continue the discussion where it was started. This helps keeping track of the discussion. I also suggest you read the talk page guidelines. The linking guidelines are also a good resource on how to use wikilinks. I also suggest to use the "Preview" button before saving the page

To the matter itself, I have read your response carefully, and I think I understand your answer. There are several problems with your edit. First, there is the neutrality of the discussion. We can't just bring one side of the argument. Did other leaders comment on the subject? Also, sayings, especially religious ones, are open to interpretation, which is why we use secondary sources. Do you have any reliable secondary source which report on this? Putting your own interpretation on the page is a violation of the original research policy. Lastly, both your English and your use of Misplaced Pages markup are below par. I will have to completely rewrite the section to remove all these issues. I know I have linked quite a lot of material, but if you want to constructively contribute to the English Misplaced Pages you will have to follow policy. --Muhandes (talk) 07:36, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

I read that you have said that about religious interpretation. I want to ask that Jesus claimed to be Jewish Messiah. If you are Jew you say rabanic answers to his claim then you will say that he is not the true messiah. If you are Christain, you will say that Jesus was the long awaited messiah for Jews.

After answering to your and explaining the sayings of Mirza Tahir Ahmad then how can you say thatit is a religious interpretation only but it not a sign of truth of Ahmadiyya Muslim Commnnity — Preceding unsigned comment added by --Nokhaiz Kaunpal (talk) 14:42, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

I ask you for the fifth time - please read the talk page guidelines. You are making this hard on yourself and anyone who tries to discuss with you.

You completely misunderstood what I said. I said that all sayings are open to interpretation - even what Mirza Tahir Ahmad said is open to interpretation. All we have is the way you interpreted it - which is WP:OR. We need coverage by independent reliable sources. Also, you did not answer my WP:NPV concern at all. By the way, did you read WP:NPV and WP:OR? If not, how are you expecting to discuss them? --Muhandes (talk) 15:06, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

A Friendly Challenge

It is a very very friendly challenge that my dear friend you have deleted my article of Tahir Ahmad (ludo player). Some day you this article will be made and you will not be able to delete it because I Insha Allah Tala will become a notable personality.--Nokhaiz Kaunpal (talk) 14:42, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

I did not remove Tahir Ahmad (ludo player). All I did was point out the notability problem, and an admin saw it and removed it. If the person will become notable, an article will be proper. In fact, I might write it myself. For now, he isn't. the same applies for other articles you keep writing, e.g. the Playboy pornography ones - they are not notable. Please read WP:N about general notability. WP:NF about notability of films, WP:BIO about notability of people, WP:CRIN about notability of cricket. Or, don't read any of them, and keep wasting your time on articles which are removed just as soon as you write them. --Muhandes (talk) 15:10, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Well, the entire problem is if that person is right now notable or not. Visit Pakistan and you will get to know that he is a famous, successful and notable ludo player. He has won many titles in ludo and is a renowned and experienced player. I'm also going to add links and references so that my sources can be verified that all information about that ludo player is true.--Nokhaiz Kaunpal (talk) 13:24, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

I asked you multiple times to read WP:TPG but you refuse to do so. I don't know why I bother answering you, when you keep ignoring friendly and helpful suggestions.

I asked you multiple times to read the relevant policies about notability, WP:N and WP:BIO in this case, but again, you refuse to do so, thus wasting your own efforts, and other editors'. In a nutshell, you are confusing popularity/fame with notability. A person can be famous and successful, yet not notable. You talk about adding sources that "can be verified that all information ... is true", yet this is a whole different guideline, WP:V, which means little when it comes to notability. If you think Mr. Ahmad is notable, all you should have done was follow very simple instructions which were present at the top of the page, and the article would have been kept. But of course, you prefer to waste your time and mine and not read instructions. I urge you – read the guidelines. --Muhandes (talk) 13:35, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Vinita Gupta

On 5 July 2011, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Vinita Gupta, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that Vinita Gupta is credited as being the first woman of Indian origin to take her company public in the United States? You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Calmer Waters 08:02, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

Ksawery Jasieński

As suggested, I've added a ref to this article. The info was originally taken from Polish wiki (to bring them into line), and I've reused that ref as well. I don't speak Polish but the relevant bit is towards the end of the ref'd article. Hope it suffices. Answer on my page if there's a problem or you want a chat. Folks at 137 (talk) 20:44, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

Baghela merges

. MatthewVanitas (talk) 21:28, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

Acknowledged. --Muhandes (talk) 21:56, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

Peppino D'Agostino's Wiki Page

Dear Muhandes,

I am hoping you can help me to better understand what has happened to my clients Wiki page. I noticed you were active in editing Peppino's page in the history tab so I thought I would contact you for direction.

At one point I had a nice description of Peppino on his Wiki page along with his discography and a full set of his official links (I just added the links again today) and a picture. Now it is very bare with almost nothing that I had originally placed remaining.

His page is also noted as a "stub". Again, that was not my original posting and I don't know how it got changed around so dramatically. I'd like to build it back out with Peppino's official information. I am not a person that fully understands how to post/use Wiki, but as Peppino's personal manager worldwide, I need to assure that the current and correct information is presented on his Wiki site and that it is represented clearly and concisely.

Again, any help you could provide me in getting his wiki page set up is greatly appreciated.

Best Regards, Brad Stewart Dynamic Artists Management, LLC Personal Manager and agent for Peppino D'Agostino http://www.dynamicartists.com — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sfkatana (talk • contribs) 21:51, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

As Peppino's manager, you should not edit his page at all due to your conflict of interest. I'm going to leave you a comment in your own talk page with some guidelines to read about it.

As for the external links, they are against Misplaced Pages's external links policy, so I had to remove them. I'm not sure about the rest of the material, I will check it when I have the time, I am now on a vacation with limited (and costly) Internet access. --Muhandes (talk) 08:41, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

I had a look at the page's history and I can't find any version which includes more information. this is the version from your last edit on September 2010 and this is the one from your edit before that on August 2008. As you can see they are both very similar to the current one (minus the links of course). --Muhandes (talk) 09:05, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Accessdates missing for Template:Certification Table Entry

Hi, could you please fix the template: check for example Seili, I added the parameter "accessdate=July 9, 2011", but there's no "Retrived July 9, 2011" in the reference. Thanks! -- Frous (talk) 04:03, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know. In fact, the issue was not with the template but with the article. Note that you use {{certification Cite Ref}} for reusing the same reference. The reference listed is in fact the one created first - from {{certification Cite Ref}} in this case. This one did not have a date so it did not show up. I added it now. --Muhandes (talk) 08:49, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

List of best-selling Latin albums in the US

Hello Muhandes, while I was looking the most shipped Latin album in the RIAA site, I had an idea. Why not make a list of best-selling Latin albums in the US. So when I ahead and made a sandbox for it right here. What do you think? Erick (talk) 22:18, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

It's a good list, I'm surprised it didn't exist before. However, why are you limiting the sources to RIAA certifications? If a reliable sources exist (for example, Billboard has numbers for many of them) why not use it? Also note that RIAA certifies for shipments, not sales, so you should rename the column, or even better use Shipments (Sales), for cases where you have both.--Muhandes (talk) 23:32, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

True, after all it's a draft of what it could like. I'm also faced with another dilemma and that's the certification years. Take Amor Prohibido, which was certified 20x Platinum last year. The amount of shipments of that album would be 2 million, but Mi Tierra was certified 16x with the old certification level, which brings it to 3.2 millions units shipped. EDIT: At any rate, I created the page right here. I'll go look for specific sales figure when I have the time. Erick (talk) 18:17, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

Oh boy, I think I just found out something. Do you remember when you told me about the RIAA certification year and asked me to have a look? Remember the link was saying how all the older albums were updated but we weren't sure if meant the shipments stayed the same or it changed with the new one? Well I saw , and the certifications and sales do not match what is on the RIAA and articles. Take Gilberto Santa Rosa, on the Carnegie Hall album, the RIAA says that it received a 2x Platinum on April 25, 2002, a month before this issue was written, but now it says 2x on the RIAA page. Another example is Ottmar Liebert's album. It says it's 1.4 million, but with the certification, it says 2.8 million units shipped. The newer shipments would be 14x which would be more accurate. I am confused to say in the least (it was in this discussion. I tried looking at the archive but didn't work either. Maybe I'll ask RIAA themselves. Erick (talk) 05:32, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

Indeed it would be best to ask RIAA themselves. My guess would be that the correct numbers are indeed 200,000 and 1,400,000. This would suggest that RIAA redid the certifications for either all or some of the database. If they did it for all the database it would be simple to correct, but if they only redid some of the database (maybe only artists which received further certifications?) I have no idea how we can be certain. For now, as we have a clear source with Billboard for these albums, I think it would be prudent to use the lower numbers and give Billboard as an additional source. I'll do that for these two albums. --Muhandes (talk) 10:03, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

Here's some more evidence I have found, look at Shakira's The Remixes': , Chayanne's Grandes Exitos, , Cristian Castro's Lo Mejor Mi, . Even the certification for Gloria Estefan's album, Mi Tierra says it's 1.6 million . To finish, off, this ad, says that Sanz's album was 3x Disco de Platino. With the old standard, that would 600,000 shipments, but with the new, it would be 300,000. The RIAA website lists it as 6x, the same number as the old level. Yeah, I am now more convinced than ever that the RIAA did update the certifications for older albums. Erick (talk) 07:41, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

The current implementation was based on what Harout72 suggested, so I asked him to comment before I change the implementation.--Muhandes (talk) 08:03, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

Hi guys. I would not compare the sales figures found in the Billboard magazine or elsewhere with RIAA certifications, as RIAA goes by units shipped. An album such as Black & Blue by Backstreet Boys may have shipped 8 million units, but sold only 5 million (for example), and the latter figure will be seen in the Billboard magazine, whereas the shipment in the RIAA's database will show 8x Platinum. And they don't match. But that doesn't create any confusion for us because certification-levels on standard format has never been adjusted. But in the case of Latin-certifications, a difference that big arises doubts since the levels for Latin formats have been adjusted down the road.

While it's difficult to tell whether older releases have received automatic updates as the certification-dates are not updated, I must admit that Eric has provided solid evidence proving that older certified Latin albums may have received that automatic update as stated on RIAA website. I did research on my own today on some Latin albums. I took Ricky Martin's MTV Unplugged, which has received its first Latin-type Platinum in Dec. 2006 for shipment of 200,000, I compared its 2006 Platinum certification with what currently RIAA's database has for it. The 2x Platinum in RIAA's database correlates with the original single Platinum. That proves that it has received an automatic update without having its certification date changed. Just to be 100% sure, I also took Shakira's Grandes Existos, which has received its first original Platinum in December 2002 for shipment of 200,000, which still had only one Platinum by December 2003, and I compared it with RIAA current 2x Platinum for it, which is another solid evidence that they have updated without changing the certification-date.

I think it's safe to disregard my initial opinion on how RIAA treats Latin type certifications. I apologize for the confusion I've created. I may have sounded quite persistent because RIAA does update the certification-dates for singles and albums even if they represent the same amount shipped. Take Micheal Jackson's single "Rock With You" for example, it was first certified Gold in 1980 for shipment of 1,000,000 units (see older levels), and then it was updated to Platinum with newer certification-level in February 1989, still representing only 1,000,000 units, the certification date is updated also. Or take The Beatles' compilation multi-disc album The Beatles 1967-1970. Prior to September 1996, RIAA used to count multi-disc albums as one unit towards certifications regardless of how many discs there were in the CD-case. In September 1996, RIAA made an amendment, and began counting each unit within a CD-case towards certifications. For example, two units in a CD-case would be counted as two units sold. So after the amendment, the original 7x Platinum for The Beatles 1967-1970 turned into 14x Platinum with the newer rules, still representing the same units shipped, certification-date was changed as well. Well, if I notice any inconsistencies with the way RIAA applies and updates the Latin albums, I'll be sure to bring it up, bur for now we should make the template to ignore the certification-date.--Harout72 (talk) 02:05, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Thank you Harout72 for your input, and thank you Muhandes for the quick update on the template. Erick (talk) 06:18, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

And I would like to thank both of you for doing the research. Correcting the template was easy, and we now should have the correct numbers in the several hundred articles using it. I'll do a quick run over the articles and see if there are any leftovers. --Muhandes (talk) 07:05, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

baao

i reedited the page of BAAO I hope what I did was correct, do inform if it did not meet your standards. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bobong23b (talk • contribs) 16:12, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

This has nothing to do with my standards. The material you are adding is copy pasted from another source, potentially violating their copy right. The message I added at your own talk page has links to pages with more information about copyrights. --Muhandes (talk) 16:46, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

i added the same material but i did place the reference of the article — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bobong23b (talk • contribs) 00:47, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

So what you are saying is that it is OK to steal, if you say who you stole from? I urge you to carefully read about Copyrights. If you want to use the material as it is, you need permission from the copyright holder. Of course, you may use external websites or publications as a source of information, but not as a source of article content such as sentences or images. --Muhandes (talk) 05:00, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

of course stealing is not OK. any person, whether educated or not knows that principle. i just need help and not rationalization in this matter. i just did what i understood from the rules, and clearly i made a mistake. i have no intention to ruin Misplaced Pages of whatsoever. anyway thank you i will do my very best though. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bobong23b (talk • contribs) 11:33, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

I apologize if I seemed harsh. I understand that you aim well and I assume good faith. I just felt it necessary to explain clearly why placing a reference does not relate to violating copyrights. --Muhandes (talk) 11:49, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

Wiki editor plugin/gadget suggestion

Hi Muhandes, hope you had a good trip. I myself have been a little tied up with my job for last couple of week and made very few contributions. Anyways, do you use any editing gadget? Sometimes editing, specially wiki tables, becomes a little messy. Any suggestions for me? - abhi (talk) 07:00, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, it was a good trip indeed. I use WikEd from time to time, mainly for search and replace. If I have more complicated things to do I copy the text and dump it into Vim, where I can do all sort of manipulations. None of this helps much for tables though. --Muhandes (talk) 07:03, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for suggestions. Will try to find something for tables. - abhi (talk) 07:13, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Prof Raj Reddy Wiki Page Editing - Regarding

Hello, The Wiki page of Professor Raj Reddy was recently edited by you which contains less information compared to the earlier page. I gathered appropriate information for the page with reference and just want to know the reason from you for editing the web page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.211.88.150 (talk) 16:52, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

I presume you are User:Srinimisha. Please remember to log-in in the future.

As I stated very clearly, on both the edit summary, the talk page and another talk page, your edit is completely unsourced. Furthermore, you have removed the sources which were available in the original article. Sourcing is critical for verification, and it is much more important than "more information", which is why I reverted your edit. Please do not introduce any more unsourced information. --Muhandes (talk) 17:45, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Highlight the unsourced or improperly cited material

Hello, I work under Prof Raj Reddy, for editing his Misplaced Pages page. I spoke to him in person today and certain changes were told by him which are done and uploaded on Misplaced Pages. If you find any unsourced or improperly cited material, please highlight the content and leave me a message which will be taken care.