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Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. O Fenian (talk) 11:47, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

Hi Lihaas! I just want to repeat that you should take a deep breath and be calm. You should revise your initial response, which gives a bad impression. It is not easy to feel that you are under attack, of course!

I would suggest that you calmly provide diffs and links to statements by administrators about your behavior, which typically mention your good faith and good editing, even if they rarely comment on an isolated problem. It is ridiculous for them to smear you for temporary and then quickly released blocks, when you were acting to save articles on hot current events, and facing disruptive and destructive edits. The problem is that WP lacks editors willing to edit the current events articles, which are inherently attract disruptive editors.

Let others do the defending. In my opinion, the RFA is far below the standard of actionable RFAs, and administrators will first ask that it be edited, before anybody will take it seriously. My guess is further, that you will be asked to agree that you will only cite documents using the word "terrorism", if you want to post incidents of terrorism, for example. I'd hope that the other editors criticizing you would also receive advice about how they treat you, etc.

Warm and sincere regards, Kiefer.Wolfowitz (talk) 12:18, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

I agree with you, but i was also the one to make such discussion when others made the change (the new page doesnt mention terrorism at all, but i still tried for criteria)

I mentioned the ITN nature of positive edits(Lihaas (talk) 12:34, 28 January 2011 (UTC)).

So they removed the only hope of consensus. I'm sorry, then.

In debates, a cheap tactic is to make a lot of little allegations all at once. If the adversary defends himself against every allegation, then they will be seen as defensive and they will only be answering the attacker's battle ground. Remain calm, and just respond the most important attacks in a calm fashion. Impartial observers can recognize what is going on. Don't worry about defending yourself against everything.

You are also allowed to be human, and occasionally make mistakes, and even mutter a disagreeable word on rare occasion. Everybody has made mistakes. You should look at other RFCs to see how real problem editors behave. My guess is that your case will be regarded as a waste of time, for all, that should have been resolved elsewhere. Kiefer.Wolfowitz (talk) 13:25, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

I calmed dwon from the initial heat of the moment. then i dont think i resolved to all little allegation and resorted to defending my general actions of good cotnent. was that okay?

I believe someone resorted to hauling you to admin instead of resorting donclifct resolution, how did that work out?(Lihaas (talk) 13:30, 28 January 2011 (UTC)).

I noticed your becoming calm, with admiration.

Oh, I have been cautioned a few times, but (unless my senility is worse than usual today) only in exchanges with an apparently departed editor (Eds...), whom I was told privately to ignore---great advice, and in connection with the Swedish elections page, where we met.

You can read about my rather tame (mis)adventures on my current talk page. I suppose that the administrator decided I had learned my lesson and I had pledged not to repeat a complaint naming an administrator(editor?) on a talk page (rather than an RFC) or had better things to do, or probably both. Kiefer.Wolfowitz (talk) 14:54, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

2011 Egyptian protests

You undid my edit in which I included a speech early on the 29th, and you made it part of the events of the 28th. Do you think the demonstration is over and everyone will go home now, or at 1 am, or 2 am with a clean break between Jan 28 events and Jan 29 events? If some other building is burned or people are shot at 3 am or 5 am would you still keep that under the January 28 heading? What is your intuitive time for events being listed under the next day? I would say January 29 is January 29, and not just "technically speaking." The speech belongs with other events which happen on the 29th. Perhaps the layout will be more obvious in a few hours, as events continue. Edison (talk) 22:55, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

RE: Uprising

Is splitting the background a good thing? Its really small and short. It like a summary by itself. thoughts? We gonna have to spilt the timeline soon. maybe by Saturday Hopefully, Mubarak will leave before the article get bigger (for us) and more ppl die (for the Egyptians) -- The Egyptian Liberal (talk) 13:48, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

• CNN just released an article that discusses the identity of the pro-Mubarak supporters. -- The Egyptian Liberal (talk) 16:24, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

Hey dude, No today we had a bombing and protests are still going on. Keep in mind that most of them have not left the place since Wednesday night. Tomorrow is gonna be a big day tho. I have been busy today with my girl friend but I am back now for few hrs. You can undo the vodaphone thing IF it was mention in the other article or in the main article. I got the SMS and I am gonna upload a picture of of the SMS soon. BTW, 4 and 5 needs major update. I am start working on the 4, you wonna take 5th? -- The Egyptian Liberal (talk) 18:23, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

Mubarak steps down as NDP party leader and NDP members starting to leave the party too -- The Egyptian Liberal (talk) 20:13, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

Hey dude, I am so sorry. The above thing turns what to be bad news. It was like the whole Gamael leaving the Country thing. BTW, I didnt remove the disambiguate last time. I think its helpful so we dont get the many edit request to the page regarding Domestic and international reaction. -- The Egyptian Liberal (talk) 15:24, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

-- The Egyptian Liberal (talk) 18:44, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

I think less edits have been done to the page due to the fact that its semi-protected and it has not been on the ITN section for a while. Today should be another million man march. I talked ppl there and they say they are not leaving til he leaves even if they have to wait til September. We do need to work on the article tho. I was the only person working on yesterday. -- The Egyptian Liberal (talk) 09:10, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

I am going to work on the 6th. Hope to finish it soon. You should work on the 7th less you wonna switch. Alexandria already have their version of "tahrir square". They have the train stations of El Ramel, Siedy Bisher, al-Qaed mosque. and El Manshya. I have no idea what will happened when Mubarak leaves, its anyone guess. If the government accepts all the demand it might be different the Tunisia. If they dont, I dont know what will happen. The MB is loosing a huge support (even among their young supports) for speaking with the government before Mubarak stepped down. BTW, new death toll number have been released At least 297 killed in Egypt unrest (Verified) -- The Egyptian Liberal (talk) 15:21, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

Center Party (Hizb Al-Wasat)- a Muslim Brotherhood offshoot with moderate tendencies. -- The Egyptian Liberal (talk) 15:32, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

They belong to the reformed part of the MB (the younger faction that wanted to reach out to the copts) and they are a bit more secular. what is "that" which you wonna add to the template? I am confused. -- The Egyptian Liberal (talk) 16:28, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

Egypt

Few things. Easier to respond to you directly since the talk page is so hectic:

1. Thanks for all of your work, including keeping POV in check and a general eye on the article. The reason I added Christians and Women to the lead is because they are the notable addition to the political scene, and their presence in the protest--along with secularists in general--is one of the main factors that distinguishes this event from a typical Islamic fundamentalist uprising. They don't have to be mentioned explicitly, but I think it is a noteworthy aspect of the protests and not a POV issue to do so.
2. Did you remove the Arrests and Deaths section? I'm having trouble finding when the change happened or where some of the content went.
3. I've noticed a few spelling or grammar edits slip in from a few of your recent versions. Happens to all of us and I've done it several times already, but please give a quick check if you can before you post to see if you can catch them.
4. Oh, forgot one. Sourcing from the television is kind of a mixed blessing. It's easy to find and often up-to-the-minute, but it can't be used for quotes, and it might be better to do a google search for a hard-copy source. I think that's my preference; it takes a few minutes longer but the content will be more robust afterwards. Ocaasi (talk) 15:38, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks again, and cheers, Ocaasi (talk) 15:12, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

re:#4. Right, I think with very breaking news, it makes sense to post it on Talk and wait for an online source. That allows both confirmation and avoids having to do the referencing twice or leave out quotes. I guess that could go either way, but I'm still partly attached to treating this article as one small step behind the news, for encyclopedic purposes. Ocaasi (talk) 15:46, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, I think Breaking News is a great place to put it. That way we can encourage other additions to go there as well and turn the talk page into a little holding tank for new additions waiting for sourcing/confirmation. Also, I pretty much don't give a shit if you check your grammar with me, just at the article. Ocaasi (talk) 15:54, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

Currency war

IMO the historical sections are already good enough for GA status. For FA it would need more on the 1930s currency war, but that might require some serious research. Ive found dozens of mentions of the 1930s outbreak, but theyre mainly incidental as part of wider coverage of the great depression. I agree the perspectives section needs updating / trimming / rewriting before we put it up for GA. Dont see any reason why you ought to wait for me to respond if there any edits you want to make. We can just boldy edit / revert each other and then go discuss if need be (the standard WP:BRD cycle which is a nice efficient way to build articles). FeydHuxtable (talk) 17:41, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

Liked most of your changes, though I returned Can, Aus and NZ to a seperate section to the US as they are in a very different situation and are playing very different roles. Probably China should have its own section to as its one of the two key players. FeydHuxtable (talk) 17:38, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

ITN for Kosovan parliamentary election, 2010

On 1 February 2011, In the news was updated with a news item that involved the article Kosovan parliamentary election, 2010, which you recently nominated. If you know of another interesting news item involving a recently created or updated article, then please suggest it on the candidates page.

--HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 18:13, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

Talk page clarification

I'm sorry if I did not make my point clear... I meant the heading as a question of whether at some point the title of the article may need to be changed. Just like others above on that talk page asked if the title should be "revolution." So my question was appropriate, I feel, (and similar to the headings) for that discussion page. Sorry if I did not express it clearly enough. My point was about what the nature of this actually will turn out to be, and if the title needs eventual changing...or maybe at some point another article (if it does actually turn out to be an actual "civil war") may need to be created. Just like the point about the word "revolution" which was raised a few days ago. Cheers. Archiver of Records (talk) 23:14, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

Talk:2011 Egyptian protests

Your comments would be appreciated on this page that may be of interest to you.

• Talk:2011 Egyptian protests#Reliable sources on Egyptian affairs?Wipsenade (talk) 11:59, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

:-) !Wipsenade (talk) 11:59, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

Cool it man with that Polish IP sock User talk:94.246.150.68. I'm geting evidence on other pages (see Chetniks) ect, to get him temporally blocked off of the Egypt related pages!--Wipsenade (talk) 10:11, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

Have you seen this?

Timeline of the 2011 Egyptian protests -- The Egyptian Liberal (talk) 17:51, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

Edit Conflicts

Lihaas, a couple of times now you've deleted sections right after I've added them, without comment, perhaps unintentionally; for example this diff. I'm wondering if this is being caused by you doing something strange when there's an edit conflict? --Physics is all gnomes (talk) 18:25, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

More details: The other one was here where you reverted some changes I made to the international reactions section. It's just been pointed out to me (somewhat aggressively!) that I accidently reverted someone's recent change as well : are we both doing the same thing wrong, or could there be a bug in the software? --Physics is all gnomes (talk) 20:17, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

(Copying discussion of the first diff from my talk page here, this is getting confusing ;))--Physics is all gnomes (talk) 20:25, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

that wasnt an edit conflict (poor edit summary i agree), but the same content was already mentioned in the timeline bit above.Lihaas (talk) 20:16, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

Ah okay, . I readded it to deaths before I got this message, as I thought it logical keep the death section as up to date as possible, but feel free to remove it again if you still disagree. --Physics is all gnomes (talk) 20:21, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

ITN

On 4 February 2011, In the news was updated with a news item that involved the article 2011 Yemeni protests, which you recently nominated. If you know of another interesting news item involving a recently created or updated article, then please suggest it on the candidates page.

Barack Obama, Sr.

Newross did a huge rewrite of the Barack Obama, Sr. article in a chronological fashion. He pushed existing sources together with some birther sources from WNT that didn't seem to support the other sources fact. The chronological rewrite appears to be NPOV but the sources are questionable. Since he attempted this on Obama Jr.s article can you take a look at his edit please? Alatari (talk) 00:23, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. This is a mess. It is a well organized rewrite with terrible sourcing combinations. I created a sandbox and now for the screaming since i reverted back to Jan 21. Meh... Alatari (talk) 00:56, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

ObL

Hi Lihaas, I'm not sure what you are trying to say with this phrase: "as well as a revolt from southern secessionists (where Osama Bin Laden is originally from)". How can he be "from" southern secessionists? People are "from" places. I am "from" England, and he is "from" Riyadh. If you are trying to say something different (I'm guessing you want to say that ObL's father is Yemeni, which is not the same as saying that ObL is from Yemen), please say so clearly and in English, rather than reverting perfectly reasonable changes. Thanks, Ericoides (talk) 07:09, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

Fair enough. It was not stated clearly, that's all. Ericoides (talk) 11:41, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

How you've rephrased it is perfect :). Ericoides (talk) 17:53, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

Re:

I responded to you on the article's talk page - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 16:32, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

Wikiquette alerts page

Dear IP number User:94.246.150.68, User:The Egyptian Liberal and User:Lihaas, I have mentioned your cat fight over Talk:2011 Egyptian protests on the Wikiquette alerts page. Remember to read the WP:CIVIL page. it is a sensitive topic and warring over it will only cause more trouble. You can appeal here ] if you think I or the Admin' have been too harsh over this issue. Sorry, it had to be done. I recomended the IP for a 12 to 24 hour ban to, so he could calm down off line.Wipsenade (talk) 16:52, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

AGF

I did mentioned him stalking you, the IP User:94.246.150.68 say bad thing about you and other users. He is the bad guy, that is why I though He should be temp' blocked. --Wipsenade (talk) 17:12, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

I beleave the IP to be a troll. Every one else just needs to be WP:CIVIL. un-WP:CIVIL is much less upsetting than an IP troll or bad guy--Wipsenade (talk) 17:30, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

Case now resolved and dropped.Wipsenade (talk) 10:08, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

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admins have rules to follow before posting (see admin quide on the page), one of which means posting a note on the article page when its posted on ITN. And second is to give crdit to nominees/substantial contriobutors.(Lihaas (talk) 06:09, 8 February 2011 (UTC)).

Don't patronize me. As a frequent ITN/C commenter, you should know that I frequently update ITN and, therefore, don't need you to explain to me what the procedure is. If I missed something, you should be capable of adding a notice to someone's talk page rather than being a dick about it. -- tariqabjotu 11:00, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

what are you talking about patronising. I was "adding a notice" as you suggest. If i was "patronising" there would be a far more visible anger or tempaltes (but we dont template regulars). And i wasnt the one who wrote "being a dick about it" which is a NPA that i never wrote.Lihaas (talk) 06:09, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

No, you added a notice to my talk page, rather than to the talk page of the article or editor where an ITNtalk or ITNcredit is normally placed. And, yes, it is patronizing. You may have typed the message yourself, but it is effectively a template response --precisely what you would have told a new admin who had just edited ITN for the first time. And, thanks for reminding me that I said you were being a dick; I almost forgot. -- tariqabjotu 00:00, 9 February 2011 (UTC)