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::::Just to let you know that the above has been copied to ]. I'm looking into the accusations that LAEC has made against other editors. There's more to this than just a copyright complaint. ] (]) 17:51, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
::::Just to let you know that the above has been copied to ]. I'm looking into the accusations that LAEC has made against other editors. There's more to this than just a copyright complaint. ] (]) 17:51, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
:::::This edit from SPLC is what I was thinking when I wrote "some editors who actively perform the plagiarism" above: 03:22, 5 December 2010 Blaxthos (talk | contribs) (65,846 bytes) (Undid revision 400572385 by Badmintonhist (talk) putting "quotes" around something in this context is "challenging" it. no need, since description is accepted in reliable sources)
:::::Thanks. Please, Dougweller, let's not create problems and draw Moonriddengirl into them. That Blaxthos edit removing quotation marks from a quotation is at a minimum a legitimate basis for saying "some editors who actively perform the plagiarism", especially when you add in his attacking editors seeking to remove or edit the offending material to resolve any copyvio or plag issues. --] (]) 18:02, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
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I just wanted to let you know of a little dilemma with this CCI. I've been doing as much as I can to review the images that were marked as public domain or already had {{Non-free use rationale}} full and valid, but the rest are mostly claimed for fair use with a sentence fragment such as "low res, no revenue loss, person is dead." A few times I've tagged these images for deletion for invalid fair use rationales, or I've tried to get the user to add the template, and the discussions ended up heated. The biggest cases of this went on here and here (look at the diffs). I'm not quite sure how to continue. The images in the CCI not yet reviewed are nearly all ones of this sort. Jsayre64(talk)20:48, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
Hmm. :/ I appreciate all the work that you've been doing there, and I'm sorry that it's been dramatic. I'm not entirely sure how best this should be handled. I think perhaps I should invite an admin who works non-free images more regularly to help us figure out the best way to get these images taken care of. I would recommend WP:NFCR, but frankly that forum is so backlogged (with listings dating back to June) that I don't think it's a good approach. --Moonriddengirl22:11, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
I think asking for help from an admin would be the right idea. There are many admins who are very experienced with image copyright. If the WP:NFCR backlog dates back to June, I wouldn't add to it if that can be avoided. Jsayre64(talk)01:09, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
Most of the older NFCR cases could be closed, but it really isn't a very high-traffic board, so I would also recommend against it. VernoWhitney (talk) 01:44, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
Ooh, this is indeed a unique situation, and I admit I'm a bit at loss. The problem lies in the fact that {{subst:rfu}} tags don't allow removal (i.e., a separate administrator must review them), whereas {{subst:dfu}} does (something we might consider altering btw). My recommendation, as an administrator who's been around for less time than you (but someone who has nonetheless observed Misplaced Pages for a while) is as follows: try to talk to the editor and figure out why he's unwilling to add the template.
Is he standing on principle for principle's sake, a lá Giano (who deserves a star for Misplaced Pages navel-gazing drama of the year, followed by such notable incidences as the Pedophile userbox occasion... am I digressing?)? If he is, find out what that principle is. If it's because he thinks that WP has too stringent standards for fair use, then tough; if he continues to remove the tags, maybe you could try a block discussion at ANI or a RFC/U. I happen to think the fair use standards here are a bit much too sometimes, but I don't go ignoring them. Even if the user is worried that standards will change again and he'll be left out in the cold, I see little other that we can recommend we have him do - we need to have images brought up to code.
Is he refusing because he's uploaded thousands of images and lacks the time to write a rationale? I can understand his frustration - Misplaced Pages's standards have changed - but we need to keep up with them. I'm sure calm discussion with the user could work out a solution, even if it's obnoxious and requires someone to go through the man-hours to help tag the images. If calm discussion does nothing, I'm afraid I'll have to punt too and recommend going to WP:ANI. I didn't even know WP:NFCR existed until you posted it on my talk.
Hopefully we can work this out in such a way that doesn't involve the mass deletion of Richard's images. Let me know if I've been specific enough. Magog the Ogre (talk) 14:16, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
Yes, that was the approach that I attempted when I came upon certain images he's uploaded. I think he is refusing for a little bit of all three of those reasons (but not really lazy, because he comes quickly in defense of these images). At first he sounded very startled and demanded an explanation. So I explained to him about the insufficient rationales and what was lacking and strongly recommended that he use {{Non-free use rationale}}, because its parameters give you the chance to add all you need for a rationale. Then he was angry on the file talk pages and either did not understand the fair use requirements or insisted that there was no problem. He then went on to revert some of my edits. I think that he somewhat understands fair use requirements by now, given what I and some other users have done to help get through the CCI, but he's uploaded so many images that he only spends so much time with each one and isn't prepared to face the consequences. Therefore, I believe it would be appropriate for an administrator to politely confront him on his talk page and kindly ask him to explain his actions. What he writes back, and most of all, in what manner will determine whether or not a block is appropriate. Jsayre64(talk)01:04, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
By the way, the text below is the user's response to I assume me, from his user page:
"Why is this now the second time that someone has flagged my image for deletion, taken by me, tagged properly by me. Every Essjay on Misplaced Pages thinks they are an expert on copyright law, and knee-jerk delete everything and anything." Jsayre64(talk)02:03, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
Oh, it's not just you. :) For example, he posted this, choosing for some odd reason to draw conclusions about my training and education. Since I have attempted to talk with him reasonably at multiple points, I'm unsure why he wouldn't just talk about his concerns with me, but I overlook that kind of attitude routinely in copyright cleanup. He was also strangely confrontational here with another admin over copyright matters, at least until I intervened. Sometimes people are disgruntled about copyright cleanup. I would prefer to avoid the RfC/U or ANI option if possible. Too much time wasted in drama. :/ Personally, I would hope that Richard would not need to be blocked. At least with respect to this matter he has been difficult to work with, but the vast majority of his contributions to Misplaced Pages are constructive. To me, what matters is getting the material squared away. Many of these images are valid; they're just not FURred well.
Before I consider speaking to Richard (based on the link above I would not expect a satisfying conclusion to that, as I have not found him generally approachable), I think there are several factors that we need to think about in the approach of this. Images that fail NFCC should probably be separated out and handled differently than images that have skimpy (but valid) FUR. For the latter situation, I believe we have a tag for that, don't we? Not a deletion tag, but one that asks for the missing information to be corrected? I feel like there's one and that I ought to know where it is, but my ability to forget things I know is truly remarkable. :D If we don't have one, we darned well should, and I am minded to correct that.
With respect to the ones that clearly fail NFCC, probably the best thing to do is to tag them {{DfU}} with a clear explanation of which part of the criteria they fail. Drop me a note, and I'll watchlist it. I'll handle any disputes that may arise. If it is less clear, it's probably best to list the images at WP:NFCR, backlogged or no. As long as you tag the images as instructed, note what you've done at the CCI and explain at NFCR what you think the problem is, you don't need to do anything more than that. That will bring it up for review by others. It may take a while, but we'll have met due diligence. :)
By the way, if you feel that this situation is too uncomfortable for you to do more, I will completely understand. I'll be sorry to see you stop, but you have my appreciation for what you've done already. We're all volunteers here, and the project benefits most by having you active and happy. --Moonriddengirl14:19, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
Good think you bumped; I kind of lost sight of this yesterday. I had meant to follow up on it. I have now. :) (Sorry; the season has me a bit swamped in real life. :/) --Moonriddengirl12:38, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
Request for clarification re: Malke 2010's mentorship ending
Hello Moonriddengirl. Could I be so bold as to ask that you clarify today's ending of Malke 2010's mentorship "due to disagreements about its administration" ? As you know, I was one of many who expressed concerns due to her multiple blocks, threads at ANI, etc. I also, as you recall, had highly unpleasant encounters with this editor, and was of the opinion that a lengthy block was called for under the circumstances but withdrew when mentorship was accepted; now I see that Malke 2010 has had still more blocks since that time.
For the record, and in the event additional ANI threads are started for this demonstrably problematic editor, could you please elaborate on the recent circumstances? I have your page watchlisted and will look for a reply here. Many thanks, Jusdafax03:36, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
Hi. With respect to the "still more blocks", I do need to point out that one of the interim blocks was withdrawn; feedback from multiple parties to the blocking admin suggests it may have been based on a mistaken understanding of the situation. As to the rest, conversation about the mentorship may still be ongoing, but I think it's fair to say that at this point we (for different reasons) do not feel that the mentorship is likely to be effective anymore. Although I think she has much improved since then, after more than five months as her mentor, I have become personally invested and no longer feel that I would be "uninvolved" enough to apply sanctions if any were needed. It seems best under the circumstances for me to withdraw, unless the situation changes, and to let the community know that she is not at this point under my guidance or observation. --Moonriddengirl12:30, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
I have a delicate situation involving an admin which is clearly paraphrasing. The question is whether it is too close, because he introduced factual inaccuracies into it. Could you please take a look. The diff shows what he added from a single source http://www.plainsborohistory.org/turnpike.htm. I was the GA reviewer Talk:New Jersey Route 26/GA1 and repeatedly suggested that he get a second source or drop the paragraphs from the article. He told me at the outset that he didn't want any messages on his talk page from me, and withdrew the GA nomination without any message to my talk page or on the review page. I question the wisdom of leaving these paragraphs in the article, but I want a second opinion regarding whether the paraphrase is too close. Thanks, Racepacket (talk) 16:57, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
Well, it's pretty clear what source he's been using, and not just because he cited it. :/ He follows lockstep. I'm inclined to think it's just on this side of okay, since the content is chronological and the facts basic, though the inaccuracies are worrisome. :/ I'll invite additional review, though. These are the gray areas that can be difficult to assess. --Moonriddengirl18:24, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
The article Kurtis Blow appears to be an unambiguous copyright violation of this site. Originally I tagged the article for CSD but reconsidered based upon the CSD tag that this instance might be more complicated. Therefor I removed the CSD tag and applied a maintenance tag, as well as notify you here. Please cause the correct action to ensue and I will watch from the sidelines Thank you and I am sorry for increasing your workload. My76Strat17:38, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
It appears that during the interim of these posts a correction was made. I believe the issue is resolved but having posted this request, I leave it for you to verify upon your own leisure. Again, thanks for the important work that you do and the valuable liaison you have become. My76Strat17:47, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
Hi. :) I added the {{cclean}} to the article talk page. It's possible that the contributor is the copyright owner, based on his edit summary, but we would need to verify that...and it's really not appropriate for us anyway. :) And please don't worry about increasing my workload; this is my workload. :D I've chosen to help out Misplaced Pages in this way, and I am happy to help. I appreciate your kind words. --Moonriddengirl17:57, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
He's been blocked for 48 hours. Here's hoping that he'll get the point. If not, we need to go indef. To update the CCI (which we've only had to do twice), we run the program again and narrow the date range to between the opening of the last CCI and today. This point, we should probably simply be more presumptive of vio and eliminate text in accordance with Misplaced Pages:Copyright violations. If he is still blatantly pasting without any effort at paraphrase in the weeks following his notice, he either does not get it at all or does not care. --Moonriddengirl11:41, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
THanks for taking care of both issues. BTW, since there are quite a few India related CCIs open right now, do you think it might help if a note is added to WT:INB listing them and asking people to check, or would that result in less scrutiny as not everyone may have the expertise to be as diligent as the regulars? cheers. —SpacemanSpiff17:39, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
That's a tough one. :) I'm all for bringing new people in to help out with copyright concerns, but there is a risk in asking people who aren't familiar with the requirements to undertake it. At the onset of Darius Dhlomo's CCI, there were a couple of people who restored copyright problems to publication. :/ I'd say that it might be a good idea if you wanted to ask, but I'd recommend that you encourage them not to help out unless they're sure that they understand Misplaced Pages's copyright policies and to seek feedback if they find an edit that they think may be too closely paraphrased. --Moonriddengirl18:39, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
Will avoid posting then, better safe than sorry. The burdak CCI seems to be quite difficult, there's a lot of multi-way copypasting on a few articles that I've seen so far and each article is going to take a long time to check. —SpacemanSpiff13:34, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
I think I've figured the reason for my confusion. Apparently these weren't the only copyvio edits on that page, two sources were used ( and and its precursor) with the former being the primary source for the more recent edits while the latter was also used. However, the latter has been used in different forms across at least 2-3 edits in 2009, (I'll need to figure that one out), and part of the recent edits was moving around the content from the earlier copyvios! I think I know how to fix this now, but I'll let you know once I do it so that you can check. cheers. —SpacemanSpiff17:13, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
Copyvio (I think) and what do I do?
Hi there, I'm not really sure where I'm supposed to take this, but I've heard you are the resident copyvio expert, so I'm hoping you (or a talk page stalker) can help me. On The Lees of Laughter's End, the "plot summary" section appears to just be a copy of the blurb of the book (although I can't actually prove it atm). So is that a copyright violation? Assuming the answer yes, what am I supposed to do? Originally I would have thought it would have been fine to just remove it, but with all that copyvio drama about a month ago, I somehow got the impression that it couldn't just be removed, an admin had to actually delete it from the page history. Any help at all would be appreciated. Thanks, Jenks24 (talk) 07:56, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
I've expunged it from the history. Given it was foundational, it might be worth looking through the other creations of User:Setne for more cut and paste jobs. I'll leave MRG to do the copyright lecture, she gives it so very well. ;) Courcelles08:11, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
Rule #3 of Misplaced Pages: If the language looks just a bit too clever, and just a little promotional, you 'll never go broke betting it was copied from somewhere. Courcelles08:29, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
Not much point in the copyright lecture, as the contributor has been gone for years, but a baby CCI seems needed. I've confirmed copying in several articles. I'm conducting it at his or her user talk page. --Moonriddengirl14:34, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
No problem! It's work that needs doing. Between extra work workload at this time of year and the need to do other things, I may not catch up CP until the New Year, but it's all pulling towards the same goal. :) --Moonriddengirl12:33, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
Wow, I can't believe my question caused you so much work. Thanks to both of you guys for your prompt action and for the mountain of copyvio work you do :) Jenks24 (talk) 13:18, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
Dear Moonriddengirl, the Robert Garside page is being attacked again. I would appreciate your intervention. Can you help? Dromeaz (talk) 15:22, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
Keep an eye on this please.
If you can keep an eye on File:Mmix.png for me. It was tagged on December 1 and the tag has been repeatedly removed by the uploaded. I have warned them and given them a final notice now. They posted a question on December 1 that I replied to (What's the right license for File:Mmix.png?) but they did not seem to care based on the edit summary's. If I revert the image again I would be in violation of 3RR. Thanks. (EDIT: They just reverted it again, now claiming the image is in Public Domain and adding a {{PD-author}}. EDIT 2: They have supposedly sent an email to OTRS as well now so you can kill two birds with one stone so to speak.) Soundvisions1 (talk) 04:48, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
Hmm. I would have presumed that contributor was new, given his/her confusion over whether you were a robot. I'm surprised that s/he has been here since 2006. Thanks, Verno. --Moonriddengirl12:27, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
Exactly. I'll be interested if the OTRS simply says "no problem, I don't consider it proprietary." as the claim or "permission" says. Soundvisions1 (talk) 15:26, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
Wondering if you had checked OTRS On this. I am wondering if it was actually sent. A new comment on their talk page says: The author replied, but was quite annoyed at being contacted again. I should have gone with my instincts and never listened to you. Sigh. Lets put this to bed now is what I say - take a look in the OTRS system and if there is none there than remove the {{OTRS pending}} tag and go back to the December 1 tag the uploader kept removing (Was set to be deleted yesterday - December 8) as the {{PD-author}} tag added on December 7 would prove to be false. Soundvisions1 (talk) 22:15, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
I know the uploader claimed to have sent an email to OTRS and you added the {{OTRS pending}}tag to the image based on that, however the comment today would indicate otherwise, that is why I asked MRG to take a look in the system. It seems highly unlikely the uploader would first say there has been an OTRS sent and then, a few days later, say the copyright holder had responded and "was quite annoyed at being contacted again." To me that sounds like the uploader simply claimed an OTRS and added a PD tag to prevent the image being deleted yesterday. Soundvisions1 (talk) 22:37, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
Sorry, I was being obscure. It's Ticket:2010120810004261 and looks like we're just waiting on the OTRS volunteer it's locked to to go ahead and approve it (unless I'm missing something, which is possible - it's been a long day for me). VernoWhitney (talk) 23:00, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
You know what I find funny about all of this? I asked MRG to keep an eye on it before the OTRS and obviously the above discussion happened. The OTRS was "accepted" bu another OTRS team member who I had never spoken too so I asked them about the chain of events and they said I could ask someone else to (re)check. It doesn't matter anymore, but though I would point that out here anyway. It would be so much easier if permission OTRS's such as these were simply made public, more so when the "public" chain of events seems to indicate something other than the OTRS "private" ones. Soundvisions1 (talk) 14:30, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
Hi. Sorry I haven't been commenting. FWIW, I have been following up on this, but Verno had already covered pretty much everything. I did review the ticket, and I would have approved it as well. It's a shame we can't find some way to make this process more transparent. As you probably remember, we did talk about something like Commons:Commons:OTRS/Noticeboard for Misplaced Pages, but as with so many things itfell through the cracks when something else popped up. I'm dealing with a migraine today, but if I can remember, I'll try to draw up a proposal about that later. --Moonriddengirl15:07, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
On copyright issues
Hi. You seem to be the go-to person for this, so I thought I'd ask. I'm wonder if there are any investigations at WP:CCI that I should try and prioritize over others. I see some have been up a long time, yet others are more high profile, etc. I'm busy wrapping up Texas141 right now; it's easy since the sources are already there so I can just look for copypastes. Are there any of the 40+ left you would suggest I try and do first? I could of course just pick them as I see them, though if any are urgent I can tackle them. WizardmanOperation Big Bear16:39, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
(talk page stalker) I'd say just do whichever ones you're comfortable with - we're happy with any help we can get. Obviously it would be nice if we could close some of the really old ones, but it all balances out since that would mean ignoring the newer ones which are often easier to track down and clean.
Good suggestion, that. :) The oldest, unfortunately, are often among the more difficult, so while I would love to see those cleaned I think the risk of burnout is higher there. Another that could be relatively simple is Misplaced Pages:Contributor copyright investigations/Pohick2. He also tended to cite the sources he copied or closely paraprhased, and he has actually complained about how long it's taking us to clean up after him, so I presume he'd like to see that wrapped up. Your help on any of them is very much appreciated! --Moonriddengirl17:11, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
Oh, good! I was thinking we needed more to do. :) This seems like an excellent time to roll out your newest tool to me. When we have socks of confirmed serial copyright infringers, we don't need to bother. --Moonriddengirl12:58, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
I'll propose it at WT:CCI and try and post some updated edit summaries and talk page during the day today - if there's support for it maybe I can run it tonight or tomorrow. VernoWhitney (talk) 13:02, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
I need time to dig up a different source to which the author can release the copyright, email a release statement, or petition for un-deleting.
Background:
The author of the deleted page for Ultrasonic Impact Treatment (TayHanes), is my client, Taylor Hanes, Chief Operating Officer of Applied Ultrasonics. See http://www.appliedultrasonics.com/rapidresponse.html for complete contact information.
Summary:
The author of the deleted page on Ultrasonic Impact Treatment is the COO of the company which employs the authors of the cited copyright infringement (thanks SuggestBot). I am looking into the easiest way to release the copyright: posting the content on their website with a release, adding a release to the Google Book, or emailing a release. Any advice as to which route is best would be greatly appreciated.
Or even better, if this is enough information to undelete the page, I will be so happy I'll do a little dance.
Good afternoon. :) I do so wish I could make you that happy! I'm afraid that since we have no means of verifying the identity of people who post on Misplaced Pages, though, we have to provide licensing permission through external means, and when books are involved, it gets complicated. :/
It seems that the article, Ultrasonic impact treatment, was deleted on November 29th; as you say, it was deleted for copying content from this book. The complication here is that copyright is reserved in that book to the Technomic Publishing Company, and we cannot know their licensing terms. A few years ago, we had to remove quite a bit of text that was provided by the author of several books on Scottish history when it turned out that he did not have clearance from his publisher, who retained rights. As Misplaced Pages:Donating copyrighted materials notes, "If you are the original author but the rights have been assigned to your publisher, you have given up the ability to license the work to us." Lihttp://appliedultrasonics.com/pdf/pdf11.pdfcense for this content, then, might require a statement from the publisher in line with Misplaced Pages:Declaration of consent for all enquiries. If they will not license it, but instead declare that the copyright belongs to the authors, we would need a release from L. Teheni as the (presumed) surviving author, unless he is willing to verify that the content was created under a formal "work for hire" situation, in which case Mr. Hanes' permission would serve.
I'm sorry; it's so much easier when the content is first published on some other website. All we need then is a license release there. I am happy to talk to you further about how to facilitate licensing the content, though I do have to wonder if it wouldn't be simpler to rewrite it. I would volunteer to help with that, but "ultrasonic impact treatment" is way out of my field. I might at best produce a very short article which could then be expanded. --Moonriddengirl20:58, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
Hey thanks for the quick response and thorough explanation!
Let me see if we can dig something up to post with a release on appliedultrasonics.com to which we can add a release:
Oooh! Can you show me what section looked like a copy/paste job, so the author can re-write it and cite other sources. UIT isn't my primary field, either.
Crockett Dunn (talk) 21:27, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
Hi. It's not quite so simple as hosting it on the website now and putting up a release statement; it would have had to have been the point of first publication, unless we can verify that there's nobody else in legitimate position to claim copyright (as Technomic Publishing Company are with the book). :) I have not evaluated the whole article. I don't believe I ever saw it before today. It was not listed at the Copyright Problems board, where I typically put in my time. But from what I saw, the foundational edit to that article was a copy from that book, beginning with the words "The principle of UIT is based...." The article was later massively expanded by User:Tayhanes. It does not look to me as though the content he added was taken from that book, though since I can see only a little of it in Google books, I can't be sure.
When there is an assertion of permission, we typically blank articles and list them at that board for a week to permit contributors an opportunity to verify permission or to rewrite the content. There should be no objections to my undeleting the page and blanking it, which would permit the author to evaluate the content. The template that overlies the article links to a temporary subpage in which it can be rewritten, if it can't be verified. The content will be temporarily viewable in the article's history. I can explain any of that further if need be. :) --Moonriddengirl21:42, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
Okay, the page is here. It's listed at CP, and it needs to be handled within the week before it comes due for admin closure. Again, please let me know if I can clarify anything. --Moonriddengirl21:45, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
Is it correct to have the temp page in the :Talk area?
Hello. :) Yes, it is. Strange, I know, but that keeps it from popping up in "random article" lists and allows it to be completed before it is put into mainspace. --Moonriddengirl22:27, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
The majority of the article was split from the Cadfael article (we wanted to break up the article into character and series), which has been worked on by a wide array of users, this wasn't a copy and paste job from another site it was an internal wikipedia split. Unless the Cadfael article is also copyright violation it shouldn't be included in the sweep. Carl Sixsmith (talk) 14:12, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
I'll restore it, then, but would you please evaluate it to make sure that the content is all taken from that page? We really can't afford to take chances with copyright. --Moonriddengirl14:14, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
Yes, I do understand that the creator is a serial copyright infringer. However, the article consisted of (i) two very short paragraphs followed by (ii) lists that (a) I think are unproblematic and (b) are tedious to re-create. What if I were to resuscitate the article with fresh introductory paragraphs written by me (and not plagiarized)? -- Hoary (talk) 14:23, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
There should be no problem with new content. :) If you can confirm that the prior content is not a copyvio, there should be no problem with it either. Some of the articles I'm seeing are short; many are not. I'm not reading through them, but only G5ing where there are no significant additions by others with the additional WP:CV rationale that "If contributors have been shown to have a history of extensive copyright violation, it may be assumed without further evidence that all of their major contributions are copyright violations, and they may be removed indiscriminately." Since being blocked for repeatedly violating copyright, he's created hundreds more articles, and WP:CCI (including his) is more than bloated enough. :/ --Moonriddengirl14:27, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
Fair enough. I'm a bit sleepy now, so I'll wait a day or two before resuscitating two thirds of the article (which will be the easy part) and writing the remaining third afresh. -- Hoary (talk) 14:32, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
On a similar note, I may try and go resurrect Grace Lin if I can find enough outside my own contributions to it. :D Do we have a list of the files that are being deleted somewhere, or should I just dink around in Accotink2's deleted contributions? I'm not likely to go too far outside the one or two articles I had contributed to, just a thought. I certainly don't want to make more work for you. Syrthiss (talk) 15:40, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
No list; I was working off of Soxred93's tools, and I'm afraid it diminishes as the articles disappear. :/ You can look at my deletion list, though. I'm pretty sure everything I've done today is off of his list. I had barely touched WP:CP when this came up. Fair warning: there's hundreds! --Moonriddengirl15:46, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
Okee. Its probably just easier to view his deleted contributions then, since I know your deletion log will get longer as time goes on. ;) Syrthiss (talk) 15:55, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
Hi User:Akradecki had a draft of the Max Conrad article in his/her sandbox. In fact I left a message in User:Akradecki's talk page about putting on Misplaced Pages. I was under the impression User:Accolink2 saw the message and retrieved it. If you are unable to bring the article back would you please be open to bring the Max Conrad article from User:Akradecki's sandbox? Thank you-RFD (talk) 15:13, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
He took it from another Wikipedian without attribution? Standard blatant disregard. :/ He knows better. I'll create a new version based on that sandbox. --Moonriddengirl15:17, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
Many thanks for doing this. I had found the NY Times obituary about his death on April 3, 1979 and was able to put the citation back in. Thank you again-RFD (talk) 16:05, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for cleaning up this article, but unfortunately you left a <ref> tag without any information in it and deleted the revisions where it was introduced, so I can't fix it. shoy (reactions) 17:12, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
Glad that it worked out. I've collapsed the section, and it will archive automatically I think within 24 hours of its last timestamp. --Moonriddengirl01:42, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
It was deleted, then undeleted and relisted. I already removed the 30th from CP after it was deleted last night in case you are interested in restoring it and actually resolving the copyvio issue rather than letting it relist tonight. VernoWhitney (talk) 12:08, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
An editor told me, "You disagree that plagiarism is widespread on Misplaced Pages? Perhaps you should check out WP:CP and meet the good folks at WP:CCP." I doubt that plagiarism is widespread on Misplaced Pages. Who is correct? Thanks. --LegitimateAndEvenCompelling (talk) 07:48, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
I'd have to say honestly and accurately that it depends on your definition of widespread. :) The real place to look here is Misplaced Pages:Contributor copyright investigations, where we have quite possibly hundreds of thousands of articles waiting review contributed to by people who have persisted in violating our copyright policy (usually in a manner that also constitutes plagiarism). (Not to mention the ones already archived.) At WP:CP, I routinely see this, and WP:SCV usually gets a couple of dozen additional articles a day. Plagiarism is by no means rare on Misplaced Pages, but I can't begin to guess the percentage of articles that contain it. If somebody told me that a random sample found 10% of our articles contained substantial plagiarism, I'd believe it. It meets my definition of "widespread." But this is what I look at every day, and it's possible that my perceptions are skewed. I like to think that the situation is improving. I certainly see a lot more people paying attention to the issue than I used to. :D --Moonriddengirl11:38, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
Let me ask this. Having found Southern Poverty Law Center is loaded with unattributed direct quotes from the group's official web site that make the page look like an advertisement, like as in several entire sections are plagiarized from splcenter.org, should I be reporting that anywhere? I should think that I should not be the only one reviewing for plagiarism, especially since some editors who actively perform the plagiarism claim I'm only doing it to cause trouble. --LegitimateAndEvenCompelling (talk) 12:01, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
Oh, you're not the only one reviewing for it; some of us review for it practically full time. :) And we are often accused of trying to cause trouble. But just to clear up terms here: plagiarism is a secondary consideration. It's easily addressed by attributing. The first and most important question is whether the content meets our copyright policy. Essentially, we can only copy content from other websites or publications if they are verifiably public domain or compatibly licensed. If they are not, and if permission is not confirmed through WP:OTRS, content cannot be copied except in brief, clearly marked quotations (as per WP:NFC). If the content doesn't conform to this, it is a violation of our copyright policy, even if it was probably placed by somebody connected with the company. I'm not able to do much reading at the moment (migraine), so I'm not comparing the article to its sources, but the handling of it depends on how extensive it is. If there are a few unattributed quotes, they can be dealt with through attribution. If there are extensive quotes, they need to be cut down. Extensive quotes are forbidden by policy. (Basically, we can't take too much from a single source.) If whole sections are copied from the website, those sections should be removed for rewriting or blanked with {{subst:copyvio}} to give other contributors notice and time that the content must be dealt with. At the very least, if you find content that violates our copyright policy, you might explain your concerns at Misplaced Pages talk:Copyright problems. That will bring it up so others can take a look. There's kind of a handy overview at Misplaced Pages:Cv101. --Moonriddengirl13:44, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
This edit from SPLC is what I was thinking when I wrote "some editors who actively perform the plagiarism" above: 03:22, 5 December 2010 Blaxthos (talk | contribs) (65,846 bytes) (Undid revision 400572385 by Badmintonhist (talk) putting "quotes" around something in this context is "challenging" it. no need, since description is accepted in reliable sources)
Thanks. Please, Dougweller, let's not create problems and draw Moonriddengirl into them. That Blaxthos edit removing quotation marks from a quotation is at a minimum a legitimate basis for saying "some editors who actively perform the plagiarism", especially when you add in his attacking editors seeking to remove or edit the offending material to resolve any copyvio or plag issues. --LegitimateAndEvenCompelling (talk) 18:02, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
Hi Moonriddengirl. I wasn't 100% sure where to post this, but since I've noticed you in quite a few copyright discussions talking sense, I thought I'd check with you... if it would be better on a noticeboard, feel free to copy it there. I've been following discussions All Day (album) for a few days, it's a mashup of songs, and editors have been identifying the samples in order and by length and timing. Following a discussion on the page, since this was clear WP:OR, the information was removed. However, a source has now been found, which includes start times for the samples at Fastcompany, all shown on a big image. I've transcribed the information to Talk:All Day (album)/FastCompany, so we now appear to have a decent compromise - not OR, but with the information that people are looking for. My only worry is that this is a copyright violation, taking so much information from the image. It will be referenced clearly, but I thought I'd double check if that's sufficient. Oh yes, by the way a number of news outlets have told fans to check for track listings on Misplaced Pages, as has the artist himself on Twitter, just to make things more fun. Worm10:26, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
Hi. :) Just as an FYI, since you took the time to write, I don't think that would have been a copyright issue. The rule of thumb there is whether there is creativity in the information or the organization/presentation. If you're talking about a comprehensive list of samples (and the samples used is not "guesswork" but fact), then there would be no problem in using the information. The presentation, obviously, is creative, but you weren't wanting to duplicate that. :) If you find one that isn't a circular reference, those are the factors to consider. --Moonriddengirl11:42, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
I hope you will question the real identity of CanadianLinuxUser. Given his style of arguing on the Robert Garside page, we feel we know his identity. Be careful. 87.82.116.134 (talk) 16:20, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
Signatures
MRG, we had this conversation a while earlier on scanned signatures. Apparently the policy at Commons is a little different in that signatures don't appear to be copyrightable. Just thought I'd let you know since more of our editors appear to be getting autographs. cheers. —SpacemanSpiff16:53, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
CanadianLinuxUser
Moonriddengirl. This is Dromeaz. This is confidential. Please look at the contributions made by CanadianLinuxUser. We believe him to be Phil Essam. He is an arch enemy with Robert Garside. He has been hassling Robert Garside's colleagues, sponsors and other associates since the year 2000. That is 10 years. He drew the Robert Garside page into an edit war in 2007 and isn't becoming an established user/administrator, just a ploy? Look at his historic contributions. And I am the one to get blocked? This is absolutely ridiculous! 87.82.116.134 (talk) 17:13, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
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