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| :::Thank you for yet again ignoring the points I made, but, including myself, there are at least two people who have disagreed with this categorization, including Albert Mond (]). Blackmetalbaz was the first to point out that there are sources stating that Kid Rock is ''not'' nu metal. My issue here is trying to make source that music articles are accurate and properly sourced. Since this article's subject came up in other discussions, I am discussing. As stated repeatedly, I haven't removed this term from where there is a consensus for this term. Repeatedly adding the same source and making the same argument shows a clear POV on your part in light of the evidence, and the fact that there is no need to cite multiple types of rock music when simply "rock" covers anything else you can think of. (] (]) 00:17, 13 January 2010 (UTC)) | :::Thank you for yet again ignoring the points I made, but, including myself, there are at least two people who have disagreed with this categorization, including Albert Mond (]). Blackmetalbaz was the first to point out that there are sources stating that Kid Rock is ''not'' nu metal. My issue here is trying to make source that music articles are accurate and properly sourced. Since this article's subject came up in other discussions, I am discussing. As stated repeatedly, I haven't removed this term from where there is a consensus for this term. Repeatedly adding the same source and making the same argument shows a clear POV on your part in light of the evidence, and the fact that there is no need to cite multiple types of rock music when simply "rock" covers anything else you can think of. (] (]) 00:17, 13 January 2010 (UTC)) | ||
| ::"''Thank you for yet again ignoring the points I made''" You have made nothing and are being very rude. At least I apologize for heaven's sake. There is no concensus on this talk page. Albert and Blackmetalbaz have both not commented on this talk page and also Albert's comment did not say Kid rock wasn't nu metal just that he was more rap metal. "''shows a clear POV on your part''" Hilarious. You see this term "nu metal" as a death term and have consistently put it down. Besides what book states Kid isn't nu metal, pull out an exact quote. ] (]) 00:28, 13 January 2010 (UTC) | ::"''Thank you for yet again ignoring the points I made''" You have made nothing and are being very rude. At least I apologize for heaven's sake. There is no concensus on this talk page. Albert and Blackmetalbaz have both not commented on this talk page and also Albert's comment did not say Kid rock wasn't nu metal just that he was more rap metal. "''shows a clear POV on your part''" Hilarious. You see this term "nu metal" as a death term and have consistently put it down. Besides what book states Kid isn't nu metal, pull out an exact quote. ] (]) 00:28, 13 January 2010 (UTC) | ||
| :::Clearly, ''you'' are being very rude by repeatedly adding poorly substantiated information to every article you have ever been involved with. Read the discussion at ]. (] (]) 20:26, 13 January 2010 (UTC)) | |||
| :::And if you are going to use the opinions of editors who have not commented on this page, well than one ] specifically added nu metal back on "Bawitdaba"'s page meaning he must be in favor of the term for Kid. Bringing our tally of editors who have not commented one on this too 1-1-1. In other words, our score is even. ] (]) 00:34, 13 January 2010 (UTC) | :::And if you are going to use the opinions of editors who have not commented on this page, well than one ] specifically added nu metal back on "Bawitdaba"'s page meaning he must be in favor of the term for Kid. Bringing our tally of editors who have not commented one on this too 1-1-1. In other words, our score is even. ] (]) 00:34, 13 January 2010 (UTC) | ||
| ::::It's not sourced. There needs to be a consensus of sources specifically stating that each song belongs to a certain genre. Not doing so is like categorizing Body Count as hip hop because Ice-T is a member. (] (]) 20:26, 13 January 2010 (UTC)) | |||
| :: "''My issue here is trying to make source that music articles are accurate and properly sourced.''" This explains why you would do this right? Which reminds me if we were to use otherside opinion then SOAD would have nu metal in their box. Me, ], ], and ] have all been in favor of that term to describe that group. ] (]) 01:16, 13 January 2010 (UTC) | :: "''My issue here is trying to make source that music articles are accurate and properly sourced.''" This explains why you would do this right? Which reminds me if we were to use otherside opinion then SOAD would have nu metal in their box. Me, ], ], and ] have all been in favor of that term to describe that group. ] (]) 01:16, 13 January 2010 (UTC) | ||
| :::The cited quotes do not back up what they claim they cite. You have been warned repeatedly about what is clearly enforcing your own perspective upon your articles. Denying this makes you come across as foolish. (] (]) 20:26, 13 January 2010 (UTC)) | |||
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I'm by no means an authority on this person's career or musical style, but this came up during an argument over at Talk:List of nu metal bands, where it was pointed out that a genre book discussing the term states that Kid Rock does not perform nu metal. One source saying that he did perform in this genre doesn't necessarily make it so, and a source discrediting it pretty much says it all. I've never heard Kid Rock described as "metal" in any fashion, "nu" or not, until Allmusic, which refers to rap-metal, not nu metal. (Ibaranoff24 (talk) 20:44, 2 January 2010 (UTC))
- It's sourced. And many other sources refer to him as nu metal. Page 325 in Sound of the beast: the complete headbanging history of heavy metal By Ian Christe and in Nu-metal: the next generation of rock & punk By Joel McIver. We also have a quote from Rolling Stone saying, "Kid Rock — revisit the bygone days of nu-metal" And allmusic has no entry for nu metal, so that's why it is not on his page. I'm not trying to be rude here and I apologize if I am, but your consistent removal of source information I find unbecoming. RG (talk) 23:07, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
- "Consistent removal of source information"? Give me a break. There's a difference between what one source says and what the majority of sources say. If the rule was to include every genre associated with any given band at any period from any person for any reason, Queen would have heavy metal included alongside rock in the Infobox. Queen is generally not considered to be a heavy metal band, so it's not there. (Ibaranoff24 (talk) 21:01, 3 January 2010 (UTC))
- It's sourced. And many other sources refer to him as nu metal. Page 325 in Sound of the beast: the complete headbanging history of heavy metal By Ian Christe and in Nu-metal: the next generation of rock & punk By Joel McIver. We also have a quote from Rolling Stone saying, "Kid Rock — revisit the bygone days of nu-metal" And allmusic has no entry for nu metal, so that's why it is not on his page. I'm not trying to be rude here and I apologize if I am, but your consistent removal of source information I find unbecoming. RG (talk) 23:07, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
Kid rock is generally considered nu metal, get over it. These sources back this up. RG (talk) 21:15, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
- That's your opinion. The sources clearly do not reflect this. Why do you care so much that the infobox for that page include a genre based on a single album that you can't even find sources for stating that that genre should be applied for, and that there sources discrediting the use of the term? (Ibaranoff24 (talk) 21:17, 3 January 2010 (UTC))
- "That's your opinion" Wrong. Have you read any of these sources that I have clearly mentioned? He's nu metal, get over it. RG (talk) 21:21, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
- Stop responding to me as if I care what genre you personally categorize a musician that I don't care about. What I do care about is that you choose to respond to other people with this kind of attitude, "get over it", as if there's something to "get over". The issues at hand are what the sources state in regards to an entire musical career (not one album which you can't account for) and your attitude, which sucks. (Ibaranoff24 (talk) 21:31, 3 January 2010 (UTC))
- By the way, while looking through the history, I've found that another editor pointed out that the source you've repeatedly tried to add doesn't even say what you claim it backs up. And it's specifically a book about the band Slipknot, not a biography of Kid Rock, a discussion of rock music or a discussion of "nu metal". (Ibaranoff24 (talk) 21:38, 3 January 2010 (UTC))
- I apologized earlier if I come off a little rude on this topic, again I'm sorry. But might I remind you that the first comment I read from you was, "Nu metal is a useless catchphrase invented by MTV" when I was simply asking for on whether or not nu metal should be mentioned in the RATM article. Now I just "suck" apparently. "I don't care about" Then why change it so much? "you've repeatedly tried to add doesn't even say what you claim it backs up" Incorrect again. This source used on Kid Rock's page specifically mentions him, Limp Bizkit, and Korn for laying the foundations for nu metal. Also, the Slipknot bio has written by Joel McIver, who also wrote Nu-metal: the next generation of rock & punk so this is a guy who should know his history. Since this debate will continue I hope that the both of us can keep it civil. RG (talk) 22:03, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
- I didn't say that you sucked, but your attitude - you admitted that you were being rude in your previous responses. Also, "laying the foundations" for a genre doesn't necessitate being a part of the genre. I don't even think the lead is accurate in describing Kid Rock's music as having heavy metal aspects. Rap rock, definitely, and possibly rap metal, but definitely not heavy metal. (Ibaranoff24 (talk) 22:05, 4 January 2010 (UTC))
- "That's your opinion" Wrong. Have you read any of these sources that I have clearly mentioned? He's nu metal, get over it. RG (talk) 21:21, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
- Also, the brevity of sources related to each album or single needs to state that that album or that song is of a certain genre. You can't just add genres to any album or single based on your opinion. In regards to this article, doesn't "rock" cover everything, since he certainly hasn't performed any rap metal or "nu metal" for years? (Ibaranoff24 (talk) 01:28, 8 January 2010 (UTC))
- Excuse me, but no consensus was made about the genres. They're are currently only two people debating this. "I don't even think the lead is accurate in describing Kid Rock's music as having heavy metal aspects." POV, sources say otherwise, which I have already mentioned four citing him as a nu metal artist. "You can't just add genres to any album or single based on your opinion." I have done no such thing, sources have cited him with this term several times. I've noticed that you did this same thing on the list of nu metal bands talk page. Whenever Blackmetalbaz took out a reliable source with a quote you said something like, "That's your opinion and that book isn't about nu metal." You and I may have gotten off on the wrong foot at first, but I don't see any reason why you and I shouldn't be able to get along. I still don't understand your hatred of the simple term "nu metal". Anyway have a good night. RG (talk) 01:46, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
- Thank you for yet again ignoring the points I made, but, including myself, there are at least two people who have disagreed with this categorization, including Albert Mond (Talk:Heavy metal music). Blackmetalbaz was the first to point out that there are sources stating that Kid Rock is not nu metal. My issue here is trying to make source that music articles are accurate and properly sourced. Since this article's subject came up in other discussions, I am discussing. As stated repeatedly, I haven't removed this term from where there is a consensus for this term. Repeatedly adding the same source and making the same argument shows a clear POV on your part in light of the evidence, and the fact that there is no need to cite multiple types of rock music when simply "rock" covers anything else you can think of. (Ibaranoff24 (talk) 00:17, 13 January 2010 (UTC))
- "Thank you for yet again ignoring the points I made" You have made nothing and are being very rude. At least I apologize for heaven's sake. There is no concensus on this talk page. Albert and Blackmetalbaz have both not commented on this talk page and also Albert's comment did not say Kid rock wasn't nu metal just that he was more rap metal. "shows a clear POV on your part" Hilarious. You see this term "nu metal" as a death term and have consistently put it down. Besides what book states Kid isn't nu metal, pull out an exact quote. RG (talk) 00:28, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
- Clearly, you are being very rude by repeatedly adding poorly substantiated information to every article you have ever been involved with. Read the discussion at Talk:List of nu metal bands. (Ibaranoff24 (talk) 20:26, 13 January 2010 (UTC))
- And if you are going to use the opinions of editors who have not commented on this page, well than one User:Xx1994xx specifically added nu metal back on "Bawitdaba"'s page meaning he must be in favor of the term for Kid. Bringing our tally of editors who have not commented one on this too 1-1-1. In other words, our score is even. RG (talk) 00:34, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
- It's not sourced. There needs to be a consensus of sources specifically stating that each song belongs to a certain genre. Not doing so is like categorizing Body Count as hip hop because Ice-T is a member. (Ibaranoff24 (talk) 20:26, 13 January 2010 (UTC))
- "My issue here is trying to make source that music articles are accurate and properly sourced." This explains why you would do this right? Which reminds me if we were to use otherside opinion then SOAD would have nu metal in their box. Me, User:Blackmetalbaz, User:WesleyDodds, and User:Erlandinho have all been in favor of that term to describe that group. RG (talk) 01:16, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
- The cited quotes do not back up what they claim they cite. You have been warned repeatedly about what is clearly enforcing your own perspective upon your articles. Denying this makes you come across as foolish. (Ibaranoff24 (talk) 20:26, 13 January 2010 (UTC))
- Excuse me, but no consensus was made about the genres. They're are currently only two people debating this. "I don't even think the lead is accurate in describing Kid Rock's music as having heavy metal aspects." POV, sources say otherwise, which I have already mentioned four citing him as a nu metal artist. "You can't just add genres to any album or single based on your opinion." I have done no such thing, sources have cited him with this term several times. I've noticed that you did this same thing on the list of nu metal bands talk page. Whenever Blackmetalbaz took out a reliable source with a quote you said something like, "That's your opinion and that book isn't about nu metal." You and I may have gotten off on the wrong foot at first, but I don't see any reason why you and I shouldn't be able to get along. I still don't understand your hatred of the simple term "nu metal". Anyway have a good night. RG (talk) 01:46, 11 January 2010 (UTC)