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Race and crime article--new draft

Following your suggestion here, I've created a draft of a new version of the Race and crime article. It's been rather difficult, though, because I haven't been able to find anyone else to help contribute to this. The only edit from someone other than me was from Verbal, attempting to wipe all of the statistical information from it again, even though consensus has already established that this information should not be removed.

I would appreciate you taking a look at this draft sometime soon, and letting me know what (if anything) still needs to be changed about it before it can be added back to the encyclopedia. If it still needs more work, I would also appreciate you helping me identify someone else who can help with this. --Captain Occam (talk) 12:23, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

I'm in the process of wending my way home, so this may take a week or so but I'll take a look. --RegentsPark (sticks and stones) 13:15, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Are you ready to look at it yet? I recall seeing you say that you'd be back from your trip on September 2nd. --Captain Occam (talk) 23:30, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Sorry about that. I am back but the labor day holiday is distracting. Will look at it on Tuesday. --RegentsPark (sticks and stones) 22:10, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

I have a few more questions about how to improve this article (some of which I've asked on its discussion page), if you have the time. --Captain Occam (talk) 19:28, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Sorry to bother you again, but I’d appreciate your help resolving a dispute between myself and Verbal about the direction this article should take. It’s on the article discussion page. His opinion appears to be that the statistics in the article should not be included at all, because readers who look at this data might draw a racist conclusion from it (even though this conclusion is stated nowhere in the article itself), and that the admins agree with this decision and have been enforcing it. My understanding of your opinion is that the current problem that needs to be fixed is a style rather than POV one, and that these statistics can be included as long as they’re integrated with the rest of the article rather than in a separate section.

I think it’s important that this be resolved. As I mentioned on the article’s discussion page, Verbal’s disapproval of these statistics resulted in him removing them several times from the article’s previous version without obtaining consensus for this, and it’s going to make it more difficult for me to improve the article if he continues to do the same thing for its current version. --Captain Occam (talk) 22:55, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

The Mattisse biscuit

Hi, RegentsPark. It's unpleasant altogether for me to read Mattisse's page at this time, naturally, and I tend to avoid it; but now that for once I've read it all the way through, I've got to say your defense of Mattisse at my expense really takes the bisquit. Would you like to be accused of cabalism, or of harassing Jimbo Wales? Or being called a "toxic personality"? No? Really, you wouldn't? Well, I'm surprised, since you apparently think such attacks are perfectly all right—quite appropriate—"innocuous", "limited", merely "juvenile in character", "barely abusive" (!) etc—as long as they're levelled at somebody else. Are you sure you read the diffs of the CallMeNow account before calling them innocuous? Or is there some special reason why you think it's proper for me, in particular, to have snake venom and bile spat at me by Mattisse? Have I offended you in some way? And do you see how your insistence on the harmlessness of Mattisse's sock edits is encouraging her to offer a mind-blowing defense which can only harm her cause? ("I made a few harmless edits" ... "I thought that was the 'playful' way to do it".) You're far from alone on that page in carelessly offering offense to me, or in handing Mattisse a spade with which to enlarge the hole she's standing in, but I do believe you're the worst; congratulations. Bishonen | talk 07:15, 29 August 2009 (UTC).

Hmm. I haven't come across your monicker before and don't know you so I can assure you that no offense was intended and I apologize for any taken. I didn't expect that anyone would be offended by random drive by comments of this sort but clearly I was wrong. Thank you for letting me know. --RegentsPark (sticks and stones) 13:32, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

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Welcome back

... we did the laundry, mended the fence, extended the library, and kept (most) of the zombies out, while you were vacationing. Trust you'll at least weed the lawn ? :-) Abecedare (talk) 21:52, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

.... if the lawn doesn't weed me first....! --RegentsPark (sticks and stones) 08:26, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Burmese Indians

Hi, Can you please create a 2 paragraph introduction to the article. You seem better at editing .

Vinay84 (talk) 07:25, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

I'll try but this holiday weekend here does not help! Nice work on the article - you're taking it up several notches on the quality rungs. --RegentsPark (sticks and stones) 01:39, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

User User:Ata Fida Aziz edits

Aye, after checking Gilgit-Baltistan and Gilgit Agency pages history and latest edits by User:Ata Fida Aziz, seems that he/she wishes to change "partition of India" to "independence of Pakistan". I'd say that is one side of the story, though, but the Partition of India page at least tells background. I've reverted edits in Pakistan – United States relations, Pakistani literature, Demographics of Karachi, Gilgit-Baltistan, Gilgit Agency and Gilgit.

I'd like to ask for opinion — what to do next, wade through his/hers log or accept Pakistani side of view? Cheers, --Rayshade (talk) 20:02, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Well, in this case I think you are doing the right thing. I don't see how the situation of the various Kashmir entities can be understood solely in terms of the independence of Pakistan (i.e., without reference to the partition of India). --RegentsPark (sticks and stones) 22:03, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

A sock of the banned User:Paknur who was the formerly banned Siddiqui (talk · contribs) who has an obsession with removing the word India everywhere. Like many of his compatriots, he likes to write websites claiming that Pakistanis are Arabs/Persians and racially distinct from the people of India and Bangladesh etc, and likes referring to things like "ancient Pakistani poet" to avoid the word India. We need to ask someone to make an edit filter to catch these edits from the usual banned Pakistanis YellowMonkey (bananabucket) 06:04, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Aye, dug through Aziz's edits, reverted obvious issues wherever Yellowmonkey wasn't already done with it. Some of his/hers edits were actually helpful, typically masking the not-so-useful ones, though. However, there are several page moves that need more experience than I have. BTW, User:Ata Fida Aziz also has a habit of removing Category:Pre-Islamic heritage of Pakistan. Cheers, --Rayshade (talk) 21:40, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Happy Labor Day!

Dear colleague, I just want to wish you a happy, hopefully, extended holiday weekend and nice end to summer! Your friend, --A Nobody 04:22, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Khatri

Can you take a look at this? It got on my watchlist because I've been G4 tagging a set of related articles that created under a new title every day because the previous one is SALTed. On this one, one particular user KhatriNYC (talk · contribs) comes by every few days and reverts ALL edits between their prior visit and now. Don't know what to make of it other than it's absurd. -SpacemanSpiff 04:03, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Its not absurd, its the truth and i live by it unlike some users here. Some people post edits from unrelieble and unacredited sources, so I have every right to put the Khatri page back to its original format, with everything at the point have acredited citations/references.

--KhatriNYC (talk) 14:20, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Since you are online ...

... and YM is perhaps not, can you take a look at this ? Nothing urgent really, but thought I'd drop you a line since I saw you were cleaning Chhotaa Ghallooghaaraa‎. Cheers. Abecedare (talk) 17:33, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Can you also fix this cut-n-paste attempt-at-move: Wadda Ghallooghaaraa vs Wadda Ghalughara ? I haven't researched the preferred transliteration. Abecedare (talk) 17:38, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

YM can run a cu on this new user (I can't!). And you're not going to catch me doing masochistic things like reversing cut and paste moves! I'll probably just mess it up anyway. --RegentsPark (sticks and stones) 18:23, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

On this what would be required is G6 deletion of Wadda Ghallooghaaraa and then recreating a redirect and/or moving to the right spelling. Already someone has redirected the article, so it appears ok from at least a two article aspect, but it's still a GFDL vio. cheers. -SpacemanSpiff 18:37, 14 September 2009 (UTC)