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Second Pillar of Misplaced Pages

When I joined Misplaced Pages I was told there are certain values we need to uphold. I see no neutrality in this article, it needs a complete lockdown and rewrite to emphasize neutrality, especially on a sensitive topic like this. It is far too pro-secession to be anywhere near impartial. Fix it or delete it, but it can't stay like this. Jenga3 (talk) 01:11, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

There is a standard on wikipedia

for all states that FLAG and Coat of Arms are in TOP the flag have to be in top then the map --Lontech (talk) 21:48, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

check

http://en.wikipedia.org/United_Kingdom http://en.wikipedia.org/France http://en.wikipedia.org/Italy http://en.wikipedia.org/Germany

same standard for flag --Lontech (talk) 21:51, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Those countries are formally recognized by practically every country in the world. J.delanoy_adds 21:56, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

LOL check ISRAEL

...--Lontech (talk) 22:06, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Israel is also recognized by nearly all countries in the world. Kosovo is not recognized by at least two permanent members of the UN Security Council, besides a good number of other countries. J.delanoy_adds 22:19, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Then check out TRNC, it has no UN-seat and it is only recognized by 1(ONE!) country, nevertheless it has it's countrybox on top. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.74.24.97 (talk) 08:26, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Recognition is a mere satisfaction of the statehood, establishment of security, and active a more an ability to cohabit with with those you desire rather those you need to. In the case of Kosovo, which fulfills the criteria of a state, enjoys its sovereignity in its very definition. Switzerland did not care about what Security of Council of some organization did not join until 2002 really had to say or decide. One of the permanent members, PR China defacto recognizes Kosovo passports, their Vienna and other Embassies issue visas on diplomatic and citizens on the Passport of the Republic of Kosovo. China's liaison office in the Republic of Kosovo, suggests citizens that obtaining visa, they must go to Consulate of PRC Embassy in Vienna, Austria. --SpanishBoy2006 23:29, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

@J.delanoy at Least are three USA, UK, and France that recognized KOSOVO also its only first year for Some of the Yugoslav republics took up to 4 years to get the first recognition Kosovo is very succesfull with recognitions only within a year took about 60 recognition

about 40 states dont recognize ISRAEL LOL is there a LIMIT to put STATES on wikipedia you will put limit for kosovo untill kosovo reaches for example that number LOL

being a state doesnt mean to be recognized by everyone —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lontech (talk • contribs) 00:25, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

If u dont put flag on top i think this would be PURE discrimination —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lontech (talk • contribs) 00:13, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

So, Kosova or Kosovo isn't a state because UN says so? What if the UN disbands tomorrow? Is UK a STATE, what about Italy, Spain or Mexico? The POV pushers seem to be pushing different "standards" to fit their interests. As a commenter stated Swiss was not a UN member until 1992. China isn't recognized by 21 countries. Taiwan, etc. Again, I thought WP had WP rules & guidelines not those of United Nations. Ari d'Kosova (talk) 00:32, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Check Scotland. It isn't recognized by ANY other country and it still 1) is a COUNTRY in Misplaced Pages; 2) has FLAG and Coat of Arms on TOP. Stop contraddicting Wiki rules at Serbian pleasure. --66.65.213.82 (talk) 01:17, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

I changed from "state" to "country". If Scotland is a country, so is Kosovo.sulmues (talk-- 01:20, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages is NOT a forum! --Cinéma C 02:26, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Why doesn't Kosovo just have a standard country flag,map, state page - If South Ossetia can have it i dont see why Kosovo can't. Also England, USA and many other english speaking countries (that use english wikipedia) recognise it ? (Neostinker (talk) 16:50, 7 August 2009 (UTC))

I don't think Cinéma C or Nishkid64 will be able to answer that question as they are too busy banning who is not a Serbian nationalist.-- 13:18, 8 September 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sulmues (talk • contribs)

New header

Due to the huge number of templates at the top of this article, I fashioned a new header that I hope compresses all the boxes and avoids repetition:

For historical purposes, the suggest replacement was this.

To clarify, this would replace:

• {{calmtalk}}
• {{Article probation}}
• {{notaforum}}
• {{consensus}}
• {{oldpeerreview}}
• {{British English}}
• and the latest hardcoded warning {{tmbox}} about 1RR.

Obviously the cats that are included with those will have to duplicated, and I suggest moving it all to Talk:Kosovo/Header. Opinions? ninety:one 12:14, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Yeh seems good to me, am loving this new hardcore rule. It's reet' good I tell thee! Ijanderson (talk) 13:10, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

I'd just like one thing clarified before I endorse this template. Does this mean that we're finally going to delete all requests to call Kosovo a country, state or province? Because if this is so, we've made huge progress and it will definitely contribute to the quality of the article. In that case, I give my full support. --Cinéma C 22:42, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

I would happily follow that path, but I'm not sure if we can really do that. We might just have to put them in an archive box. ninety:one 22:57, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

That works too, as long as such requests are finally ignored. --Cinéma C 03:25, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

The template looks good to me. At the same time, I'll also update Template:Editnotices/Page/Talk:Kosovo. Nishkid64 _{(Make articles, not wikidrama)} 15:40, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

 Done ninety:one 15:19, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Excellent :) --Cinéma C 18:39, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Thank you very much! Nishkid64 _{(Make articles, not wikidrama)} 02:42, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

New tasks

New task proposition 1

So, it now seems that we have resolved the issues about the intro and infoboxes. I guess it's time to focus on the body of the article. The first two things I notice are:

• there is a "disputed" tag at the UN administration paragraph, why's that?
• the history section is way too long, if we take into account that separate articles on history of Kosovo exist already. Besides, Declaration of independence section can be merged to History, since it is a part of history.

So much for now. I await your comments. --Tone 20:02, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

I agree on merging the Declaration of independence section to the History one. On the history section being too long, can I suggest that each section that has its own article be replaced by the lead of that article? It would be a quick and neutral solution for it, of course the leads would have to be amended to fit the style and avoid repetition. That would fix the reliability of info too, since hopefully citations would be provided at the pertinent article. Brutal Deluxe (talk) 21:21, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Just a quick comment. I support the idea. Rex Dominator (talk) 22:55, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

I also agree with Tone's propositions. --Cinéma C 23:19, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

As you can see from my edit, I've made a start on shortening the History section, I'm stopping at the one section for now to await feedback, more to come tomorrow if everyone is happy with the change. Brutal Deluxe (talk) 23:32, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

New task proposition 2

Maybe we could merge "UN administration period", "EULEX", "Constitutional Status and the Republic of Kosovo", and "Foreign relations" sections into a single section called "Government". I envision this new section being split between "UN administration" and the "Republic of K". Then under republic we would have "Foreign relations" and the "Constitutional Status and the Republic of Kosovo". While under "UN Administartion" we would keep it as it is. "EULEX" should be separate. What do you guys think? Rex Dominator (talk) 23:09, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

It is unbelievable how far some people's nationalism actually goes. Serbs just can't accept that they lost Kosova and lost it to it's rightfull people - the ones who inhabited it before the Serbs and the all-time majority Albanians. That UN administration which you talk about Rex Dominator is only a peacekeeping force to help protect Albanians from nationalist Serb aggression whilst the legal de-jure government runs the actual affairs. What is so wrong with that? Simply Neutral (talk) 13:39, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

I think it's important to be careful when dividing this part of the article as the UN is still the highest administrative body in Kosovo, while EULEX is officially status neutral. Not that I'm necessarily against the proposition, but I'd like a bit more detail about how the restructuring would look like. --Cinéma C 23:19, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

UNMIK is not "the highest administrative body in Kosovo" - that is the Assembly of Kosovo, as well as the President and Government. --alchaemia (talk) 12:47, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

True. UNMIK simply serves as an extra army to push back nationalist Serbs who may one day wish to "reconquer" Kosova. The assembly of Kosova makes the rules, UNMIK supports it, the rest of Serbia does as it is told. Simply Neutral (talk) 13:36, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for being "neutral" as your name implies and "constructive". This helps a lot! --RockyMM (talk) 15:29, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Culture?

Why isn't there no sub or any reference concerning the culture in Kosovo. Like its fine arts,its cuisine and the folklore of Kosovo. Almost half of this article is focused around the political status of Kosovo.

I also think that the history section is too long and needs to be trimmed down. 91.179.159.212 (talk) 22:00, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

This is Misplaced Pages - the free encyclopedia that anyone can edit. Feel free to add referenced text about Kosovo's culture. --Cinéma C 22:57, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Demographics

Hi, I'm new to wikipedia and don't know how to change things. I just noticed that something is wrong in the table on the right side of the article. If the population of Kosovo is 2,100,000 and the area is 10,908 square kilometers, I don't see how the population density can be 220 per square km.

2,100,000 divided by 10,908 makes 192,5.

Please correct me if I'm wrong! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.2.219.134 (talk) 22:42, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

2,100,000 is a rough estimate. The population estimates range from whom you ask between 1,800,000 to 2,100,000. At the time when that info was added (provided by me) the land area was also disputed between Kosova & Macedonia; land dispute was 10,882km2 to 10,908km. Hopefully this clarifies your question. SILENT_KILLER/SPAIN —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.106.61.194 (talk) 23:22, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Infobox

I find it POV that articles such as the unrecognized Somaliland have their infoboxes upfront, yet a country with substantial recognition does not. Fonda4ever (talk) 22:21, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

FYI, the infobox is upfront. Jarkeld (talk) 22:26, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Two more issues

I agree with what was raised earlier about History of Kosovo being very long. It should be trimmed down to really basic points. Furthermore, Pjetër Bogdani was a really important figure in Kosovo's struggle against Otoman Empire. So the claim that only Serbs fought against Otoman Rule is fallacious. AnnaFabiano (talk) 15:28, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Nobody has claimed that Serbs fought alone against the Ottomans. All of the sources concerning the handover of power from Ottomans to Serbs ratified at London in 1913 refer to the Balkan League alliance in which the Kingdom of Serbia fought alongside three allies. Kosovo so to speak did not struggle against anybody, Kosovo was simply the name of a region within which ethnic Albanians and Serbs lived. Quite naturally, each nation served its own interest and Albanians too certainly played their part in ousting the Turks through their period of uprising which I believe began in 1911 - prior to the First Balkan War. To mention Albanian heroes would certainly make interesting reading, but it does not sit well with your original suggestion in that the history section should be reduced: if you wish to add Bogdani's contributions you will have to expand it. Kosovo's history is so diverse that it is impossible to give an overview to every important chapter and keep it short at the same time. And since Ottoman Kosovo passed directly to Serbia/Montenegro, this too cannot be ignored. Evlekis (talk) 10:13, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

This is what the text says: "The Serb population never accepted Ottoman rule and often rose against the foreign regimen" VS. "Albanians had little cause of unrest" ...you can read the whole thing, more focused on "Ottoman Kosovo (1455–1912)". Not considering Pjetër Bogdani who lead a rebellion against Otoman occupation, there was a really huge group of organised Albanians who fought against Turks (], Bajram Curri, Hasan Prishtina). I could expand the text in this direction (especially for the period after 1878).

Also, in a number of occasions the term Kosovo and Metohija is used. It is agreed upon that it is not politically correct to use that term. AnnaFabiano (talk) 14:06, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Borders with...

I started a corresponding thread on Serbia's discussion page: http://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Serbia#Borders_with... Please chime in. July 2009 developments cited here : Serbia has agreed to set up a full operational border and custom control with its southern neighbor, the Republic of Kosovo. Serbia's interior minister during a press conference emphasized that Serbia has agreed to set up a border and custom control with Kosovo as one of the requirements by the European Union commission. clearly suggest that claiming in our article that Kosovo borders with Central Serbia is POVization. If there is an international border agreed to here, clearly border control is taking place, and Kosovo borders on Serbia and Serbia on Kosovo. Thoughts? --Mareklug 11:56, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

I agree, it's completely POV pushing to say that it borders Central Serbia instead of Serbia. <sarcasm>It's unfair for other neighboring countries, when the article says: "Kosovo is landlocked and bordered by the Republic of Macedonia to the south, Albania to the west, the region of Central Serbia to the north and east, and Montenegro to the Northwest.", it doesn't point out with which parts of these countries Kosovo borders.</sarcasm> I Agree that Serbia in this case should be treated as the other bordering countries. Thank you. kedadial 15:20, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

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