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TestBotOnIRC

A tag has been placed on TestBotOnIRC, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Misplaced Pages. This has been done because the page appears to have no meaningful content or history, and the text is unsalvageably incoherent.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion. To do this, add {{hangon}} on the top of the page (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag) and leave a note on the page's talk page explaining your position. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself.

If the page you created was a test, please use the sandbox for any other experiments you would like to do. You may also want to move the page to EverythingWiki. Feel free to leave a message on my talk page if you have any questions about this. Spitfire 16:13, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

• Umm...Testing isn't permited, and defintly not in a mainname space article, any way please contact the deleting admin if you have any further problems, cheers Spitfire
  • Righto, thats OK Spitfire 16:24, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Attention! Advice required!

I have a very important question to ask. Any editor who knows the answer can please contact me on my talk page.

I want to increase the protection level of my article, as I have got unnamed threats stating that the article can be deleted. Please tell me how to increase the protection level. If not possible, please increase the protection level yourself.

Urgent. Awaiting your reply,

Ankitbhatt (talk) 15:54, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

You will need to tell me which article it is before I can even give a coherent reply. Do note that protection won't stop an admin from deleting an article. —— nixeagle 19:17, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

It is not notifying users

Hi, SPCUClerkbot is not notifying users listed as suspected sockpuppets that they are subject of an SPI. Is there something I have to do in order to initiate the bot to place the notices? --Falastine fee Qalby (talk) 05:34, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

It never did ;). I am still considering the ramifications of always notifying socks, plus there is a bit of dev work that needs to be finished and won't be done until this weekend at the earliest. —— nixeagle 02:23, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for replying. I advise placing a note on the bot's page letting users know the function is not active yet, just so you don't get any more of these messages. -Falastine fee Qalby (talk) 20:48, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

It is a wiki, you may do so yourself :) I don't really see the point as I don't think its documented anywhere that the bot should be doing this. How did you come up with the expectation that the bot would do this anyway? :P I mean you guessed right that its in the plans, but its not actually in action :). —— nixeagle 15:32, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

DYKadminbot

It is currently shortchanging the articles about 10-15 minutes per run. Can you tweak it to run for six hours or more.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 20:33, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

That is currently intentional, see Wikipedia_talk:DYK#DYKadminbot_update_time where I explain the reasoning behind it. Regardless by Friday I intend everything to be back to normal. —— nixeagle 00:17, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

SPCUClerkbot notice is a little odd

This notice about an error that I made in filing a sockpuppet report is a little odd... It was delivered to the suspected sock, instead of to me. No big deal, really, since I'd already found and corrected the error, but I'm assuming that this isn't what you had planned. WhatamIdoing (talk) 06:30, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Alright, thanks for the error report, its partly due to the case being misformatted though, but obviously the casepage parser needs a bit more work. :) —— nixeagle 12:08, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

This may be a similar case - the bot notified the suspected puppetmaster that I had forgotten to include a code letter for the checkuser request. The case is Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/Scubadiver99 and the notification is . Delicious carbuncle (talk) 13:08, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

User talk:Gentleexit

You might be interested in this unblock request :) My belief is that they are 2 different people. However, that might be "luck" or meatpuppetry. -- Luk 08:47, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Double credits with DYKadminbot

Synergy recently had a double-article hook (Harvey A. Carr and kerplunk experiment). The bot gave him a double-credit for Carr, and didn't account for the kerplunk experiment article. Just so you know. JamieS93 23:30, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

How recent is this? Is it the last update? —— nixeagle 00:03, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

This was one update ago (this revision), about 9 hours ago. It started the crediting momentarily afterwards, like normal. As far as I know, it looks like the bot did the other credits fine, just slipped up with this double. JamieS93 00:41, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Made a change, should stop the double posting... —— nixeagle 18:13, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

More bugs

I've got good news and bad news. The bad news: I found two more bugs with DYKadminBot.

1. Occasionally the bot doesn't put the hook in the {{dyktalk}} template (, , , , , )
2. If there's discussion in "section 0" (before the first section header), DYKadminBot puts the tag after the discussion ()

The good news: I'm fairly sure I know how to fix both.

1. The first bug looks like it happens when the article title isn't capitalized in the hook. In this case, the bot (I presume) looks for the capitalized article title, and doesn't detect the hook. You could use regex, or search twice for the hook with and without capitalization.
2. I tackled this one with DYKHousekeepingBot (). The code's below in java. To make a long story short, it finds the index of the first nontemplate line after the template cluster at the top of a talk page. Technically, it returns the String index of the first line where there aren't any opening or closing template brackets, and the number of opening brackets equals the number of closing brackets up to that point in the text. For the function below, "text" is meant to be the wikitext of the "zero" section (would also work for the whole talk page's wikitext).

	//from ]
	private int findLastTemplateIndex(String text) {
		String lines = text.split("\n");
		int openingBrackets = 0;
		int closingBrackets = 0;
		int returnIndex = 0;
		for (String line : lines) {
			int openIndex = 0;
			while (line.indexOf("{{", openIndex) != -1) {
				openingBrackets++;
				openIndex = line.indexOf("{{", openIndex) + 2;
			}
			int closeIndex = 0;
			while (line.indexOf("}}", closeIndex) != -1) {
				closingBrackets++;
				closeIndex = line.indexOf("}}", closeIndex) + 2;
			}
			if (line.trim().length() >= 2 && openIndex == 0 && closeIndex == 0
					&& openingBrackets == closingBrackets) {
				return returnIndex;
			}
			returnIndex += line.length() + 1;
		}
		return text.length();
	}

Let me know if this helps. Shubinator (talk) 01:23, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Oh, I forgot to add that the bot doesn't seem to be following redirects, judging by the "plane of ecliptic" link above (second in the first set). Should be another easy fix...if text.toLowerCase contains "#redirect", interpret the string between "]" as the target. Or you could ask the api. Shubinator (talk) 03:05, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

I will likely fix the lot of these tomorrow. The problem is not fixing them, but finding out where in the code is generating the errors. (I did not write the bot). Some of the errors I fixed today were simply a result of poor coding practice :(. As long as you guys can tell me what it is not doing I can fix it to make it do what its supposed to do, that is not the problem. :) —— nixeagle 03:08, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

I understand. No rush on these minor bugs. (But please fix the crediting issue raised at WT:DYK soon.) Oh, and you might want to change this message so it says it's operated by you. Shubinator (talk) 14:32, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Your first bug is fixed, it was as you suspected. Strangely the code was originally using regex, and just forgot to put /i >.>. Author probably assumed that folks would not change case from the DYKmake templates to the mp templates.. Anyway its fixed :). The other two will be fixed soonish. —— nixeagle 18:35, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks! We appreciate the work you put into this. Shubinator (talk) 23:28, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Onlyoneanswer

With regards to user:Onlyoneanswer, (Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/Meowy/Archive) who was the puppet master? --PBS (talk) 08:39, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

You may ask User:Dominic the checkuser that told me I was wrong. —— nixeagle 17:35, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. --PBS (talk) 15:16, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

Accept

Dear Nixeagle, I fully accept your apology re my sockpuppet blocking mistake, but I wonder if part of that connection you saw was there because you assumed that, since an administrator was making the allegation, it was likely to be true. If an ordinary editor makes a sockpuppet allegation the accused is normally given the time to respond, and there would be checkuser evidence. When you do sock puppet investigations, it would b e good to make sure accused editors actually know about the allegations before giving a verdict, and try to give them enough time to reply. Meowy 17:06, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for accepting my apology. So you understand, I do not look at the reporter when reviewing SPI cases unless the link to the reporter's username is a red link. (we have issues with new accounts/socks trying to implicate other users... usually involving two people that prolifically sock), and very often red linked usernames imply newer accounts. Aside from that I pay no attention to the reporter... which is why my mistake here disturbed me enough to take a break from SPI. I honestly believed the two of you were related without checkuser evidence. (A checkuser is not required in all SPI cases). I think a more effective guard against issues is to check the age/activity of the "master" account, and if its an active editor (as is your case) request a checkuser to double check... but the problem with this approach is that checkusers simply don't check in WP:DUCK cases... which is what I categorized your case into. This is all stuff I'll consider when I get back into sock investigation work again.

I've been told by several checkusers by email that I am more effective and correct then most that have done the work in the past. This is the first time that I have been seriously wrong in over 3 months of work touching over 200 cases. The only way to do this work is to strive to ignore any influence other then the evidence and the patterns at hand. I hope this explanation makes sense to you, if it does not please do ask me questions. :Again thanks for accepting my apology. —— nixeagle 17:27, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Your bot request

Hi Nixeagle I wanted to let you know that Misplaced Pages:Bots/Requests for approval/SPCUClerkbot 3 is labeled as needing your comment. Please visit the above link to reply to the requests. Thanks! --BAGBotTalk 22:15, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Minor bugs with DYKadminBot

The DYKadminBot put the wrong DYK message at the top of a page for today. Also, it didn't give me credit, even though it I listed on the credits page as needing a credit. (I wouldn't complain about the latter, but it's my first DYK!) Posting here instead of emailing because they are minor issues; feel free to mv to the bot talk page if you wish. tedder (talk) 15:58, 21 May 2009 (UTC) Cite error: There are <ref> tags on this page without content in them (see the help page).

Both should be fixed... we shall see... and sorry about the bug. Good job on your first DYK :) —— nixeagle 18:27, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

AF

I left some notes on the filter your recently created, in hopes that its scope could perhaps be expanded. –xeno 16:35, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

request for extended time at ADHD arb

Having never had an administrative action taken against me three weeks ago, I have now gone through 7 administrative actions within that time frame, that is if you include the reopening of a Wikiquette alert. I am tired of Misplaced Pages processes and would like a wiki-vacation. I am requesting a week extension so that may function at 100%. I'll need it, it is 6 against 1. I may request a few days of additional time if needed.--scuro (talk) 22:47, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

I have to work today for 10 hours, I'll look at your request when I get home, or you can ask another arbitration clerk. I believe User:AGK offered to be the case clerk alongside me, so I would ask him first if 10 hours from now is too long for a reply. I can't promise he will reply before I get back, but that is about the only way I can help you until I get home from work. Cheers! —— nixeagle 14:07, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

No worries, I can wait. :) --scuro (talk) 14:27, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

False accusation of sockpuppetry.

I've just come across an accusation against me being a "puppetmaster". The reprehensible editor who made the claim gets away with such an accusation and some poor dummies get blocked for no reason.

Why is it that nobody ever even told me about this accusation?? I note you apologized to this person (Gentleexit):

The block was made in error, I apologize. I blocked because your contribs matched fairly closely with that of a few other "new" accounts, but not directly relating you to the suspected sock master. Again this is my error and I apologize for the inconvience this caused you. If you have any questions or concerns you may drop me a note on my talk page or email me (link is in my sig). Thanks.

This is extremely poor behavior to allow such accusations to go on behind the back of the accused. Why wasn't I informed? -- spin 20:18, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

When I review cases I presume that the person that the case is named after has been notified by the person bringing the evidence. I do hope to have the bot give talk page messages to accounts mentioned in cases, but I simply have not had time to do so. In any case, you should note that you were never confirmed of socking and this fact is noted in the case. You might want to poke the person that brought the evidence asking why they did not let you know of the case, though the folks that review the cases ought to check. —— nixeagle 22:41, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

DYK "preparation areas"

Hi Nix. Based the discussion here a couple of weeks ago, I just recently moved the "next update" and "next next update" pages to new titles. Now they are located at Template:Did you know/Preparation area 1 and Template:Did you know/Preparation area 2, respectively. I think I've updated most of the primary pages that link to or provide instructions about the "next update" pages. I'm not sure if DYKadminbot would be directly impacted by this change, but there might be a couple of alterations still needed to be made, relating to the bot itself. Best, JamieS93 01:57, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Hmmm, if the bot relies on Template:Did you know/Next update/Time or Template:Did you know/Next update/Hours it might get confused. We'll see... Shubinator (talk) 02:20, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

It turns out the bot does rely on the Time template, it did fail to operate, and restoring (via the evil cut-and-paste method, on an emergency basis) did appear to fix the problem. On an unrelated note, there are now a lot of links to the old Next and Next Next pages that need to be cleaned up as soon as is practical. - Dravecky (talk) 08:35, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

MediaWiki:Editnotice-4-Non-free content criteria

Is the editnotice for Misplaced Pages:Non-free content criteria still relevant, or can it be deleted?
Amalthea 13:57, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

If it is not being used, it is not relevant :) —— nixeagle 16:18, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Bot error

Looks like DYKadminBot is giving credit in the wrong places for the past two updates and with every hook.--Giants27 (t|c|r|s) 02:32, 27 May 2009 (UTC) ≈

fixed. —— nixeagle 02:55, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/Molobo

You are a CU clerk. But, please understand that I've analyzed this case for the past 20 days. How can a clerk close this case if he doesn't have an extensive knowledge about the wiki-history of Molobo? The secret evidences are very strong. You can ask Avraham if you like. If clerks can let me handle this case, I will close the case before 6:00 UTC on 30 May. I have a clear idea about how to conclude the case. It might have been better if I was allowed to handle this case. If I could have done nothing by the time I mentioned above, you guys could have taken the case. AdjustShift (talk) 16:32, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

I have collapsed everything but the relevant conversation. After a CU has come back on this...secret evidence, and an admin either blocks, or says its not enough, it will be closed out. Syn 17:04, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Two things to note, at this point I think it is best to leave this up to a checkuser to do the investigation and the closing, which I believe Avraham is doing currently. Secondly the case has gone wildly off track, with lots of drama, arguments and has dragged on for more then 3 weeks now. My advice to you as a fellow admin is to try doing a few less complex cases first, and leave this particular one to a checkuser. Most cases on WP:SPI can be done as a WP:DUCK case, and should take no more then 15 to 30 minutes of analysis. —— nixeagle 17:07, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

That is a general analysis. Do you know why the case went wildly off track, with lots of drama? Some Eastern European editors didn't discuss the case; they were busy fighting with each other. It turned into a mini Eastern European fight. I expected them to behave better than they did. For the past three weeks, I analyzed this SPI case, the off-wiki evidences; the past disputes where Molobo was involved, and the editing patterns of Molobo and Gwinndeith. I also talked with an ArbCom member and a CU. I was supposed to close the case on 29 May. Today, I would have posted the off-wiki evidences and ask the community to analyzed it. If I was allowed to handle this case, without any interference by the clerks, I would have finished this case by 29 May or before 6:00 UTC on 30 May. AdjustShift (talk) 18:11, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

I do not advise, that you take action on this case. I feel you are a bit too involved, and we are going to let an spi admin, or another admin who is unrelated handle it. Syn 18:40, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Bit too involved? About 20 days ago, I was a neutral admin. :-) AdjustShift (talk) 18:42, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Just work with Avraham on the final call, your analysis isn't wasted - we just needed to get the case back in hand. Nathan 18:59, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Thank you, Nathan. AdjustShift (talk) 19:05, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

If you want to post the private evidence (provided whoever provided it is ok with it (you do need their permission to post it to the site as they will need to license it to GFDL.) you may do so.) The problem here is this case has gone on so long and yes editors got into a fight which did not involve the case (which is why some of the clerks put that stuff in collapse boxes). Please do work with the checkusers, any case closing should be clear to all why the case closed with the result it closes with, and the evidence used should be clear/easy to follow. Next time just copy the whole response over to my talk page to save trouble :). —— nixeagle 19:14, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Yes, editors fight. But, these Eastern European editors, they fight whenever they get a chance. See Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Eastern European disputes. I had a headache when I read that ArbCom case. I expected them to behave properly, but they didn't. I'll work with the CUs. AdjustShift (talk) 19:37, 27 May 2009 (UTC)