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Hello, Shakescene! Welcome to Misplaced Pages! Thank you for your contributions to this 💕. If you decide that you need help, check out Getting Help below, ask me on my talk page, or place {{helpme}} on your talk page and ask your question there. Please remember to sign your name on talk pages by clicking or using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically produce your username and the date. Finally, please do your best to always fill in the edit summary field. Below are some useful links to facilitate your involvement. Happy editing! BoL (Talk) 03:24, 9 April 2008 (UTC) Getting started A tutorial • Our five pillars • Getting mentored How to: edit a page • upload and use images Getting help Frequently asked questions • Tips Where to ask questions or make comments Request administrator attention Policies and guidelines Neutral point of view • No original research Verifiability • Reliable sources • Citing sources What Misplaced Pages is not • Biographies of living persons Manual of Style • Three-revert rule • Sock puppetry Copyrights • Policy for non-free content • Image use policy External links • Spam • Vandalism Deletion policy • Conflict of interest • Notability The community Build consensus • Resolve disputes Assume good faith • Civility • Etiquette No personal attacks • No legal threats Community Portal • Village pump Signpost • IRC channels • Mailing lists Writing articles Be bold in editing • Develop an article The perfect article • Manual of style Stubs • Categories • Disambiguation Pages needing attention • Peer review Miscellaneous User name • User pages • Talk pages Clean up: General - Spam - Vandalism Join a WikiProject • Translation Useful templates • Tools • User scripts

Thanks!

I've been watching all of the great work you've been doing on the article on The Bronx-- I'm so glad people are taking an interest in this topic. You're updates to Planned shrinkage, have been great too. Just wanted to say thanks! futurebird (talk) 03:54, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Bronx

re: User Talk:Colfer2#Thanks for editing tips
Thanks, I probably didn't realize I was editing a footnote quote! -Colfer2 (talk) 23:16, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Have a star

The Original Barnstar

		The Original Barnstar
		For all your hard work on The Bronx. futurebird (talk) 03:30, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Aw, thanks. Shakescene (talk) 06:59, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

See Talk:Bronx

Shakes, I moved your note to me re Bronx lit onto the Talk:Bronx page and briefly replied to it. It seemed more appropriate to do a 2-way there. And congrats on the well-deserved Barnstar. Can I add an extra ribbon to it? Bellagio99 (talk) 00:32, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Bronx entries

Thanks for your comments. Would appreciate some clarification re film section. (Am concerned that the Bronx is all too often presented as a disease.) + I'm new to this realm. NYCfellow 00.20, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, NYCfellow. I'll try to answer most of this on Talk:The Bronx, but basically I was wondering if you could weave your examples into the first half-dozen ones (from Marty to Fort Apache or Fuga del Bronx ), so they tell what the films show about the Bronx or about how the Bronx is viewed. This is certainly not personal, because it applies far more strongly to my own addition of Songs about the Bronx, which right now is a list of titles that by themselves say almost nothing about the Borough or how it's been seen over time. Shakescene (talk) 05:19, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Maritime Industry Museum & SUNY Maritime College

Oops. Still wrong. I was using the college relocation date to Ft Schuyler, not the museum's launch year. Thank you for catching this. NYCfellow 8/21/08. —Preceding unsigned comment added by NYCfellow (talk • contribs) 00:23, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

That's fine, fellow. If you did want to add anything about the college's founding, I added SUNY Maritime to The Bronx#Education with a reference to its museum and the mirror U.S. Merchant Marine Academy with its own museum in Kings Point, Long Island. (Like your item about Wave Hill, I didn't simply delete your earlier Maritime Museum entry; I just moved it where I thought it might fit better.)

By the way, Maritime Industry Museum is just a stub right now. Since you're interested and probably far closer to Fort Schuyler, maybe you'd be interested in fleshing out the entry a bit (or whatever it is one does with a stub). Shakescene (talk) 00:43, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Fairness Doctrine edits

Good jobs on the Fairness Doctrine edits. If you oppose this like I do, there is a userbox I created that you might be interested. Just go to the userbox section of my user page and it will give you the link to it. Chris (talk) 13:51, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks very much for the compliment. I actually have reached no firm conclusions on this subject either way (and as with many other users and many other subjects) got drawn into this article because I visited out of curiosity or in search of clarification and needed to work out where it wasn't telling me enough clearly enough or with enough foundation. So my editing is more even-handed and detached here than it might be (despite some journalistic experience) with a subject where I had strong feelings. A particular edit might seem to be directed against one point of view on the underlying substance, but I've directed my edits both ways when I haven't been satisfied that the language properly explains what's supported by the documentation. Because of its tangled and contentious history of overlapping edits, Fairness Doctrine had, and still has, some redundancies, contradictions and illogical sequences that I made some attempt to sort out for my own benefit as much as anyone else's. Shakescene (talk) 00:18, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Bronx (disambiguation)

• This discussion moved to Talk:Bronx (disambiguation)

Regarding your contribution to the page, please keep in mind that the disambiguation page is for subjects that are associated with the same title (ie "Bronx" or "The Bronx"), not subjects that happen to have "Bronx" in the title. The page is not meant to be a glossary. Both "Bronx cheer" and "Bronx Bombers" redirect to other article titles as well. Feel free to contact me if you have any concerns. Just64helpin (talk) 17:39, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

RfD

The discussion is located at Misplaced Pages:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2008_October_29#Association_of_Inclusionist_Wikipedians_.E2.86.92_Wikipedia:Association_of_Inclusionist_Wikipedians. MBisanz 03:50, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Chase Utley

Regarding your edit summary, please see WP:NOTCENSORED. KV5 • Squawk box • Fight on! 18:59, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Internet template

I have moved the debate to the Internet Portal discuss page--SasiSasi (talk) 23:18, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Thank you

Your commentary was very helpful. I was so confused as to why they kept deleting it, and figured it was because they just didn't read the blog and assumed it was spam. I wasn't trying in any way to spam -- I was just trying to help people decide on their move to NYC.  :-/ But I understand your rationale and really do appreciate your specificity in your comments to me. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.132.178.111 (talk) 17:19, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

wikistats misread (just for your information)

In an edit summary for MoS:date autoformatting you wrote:

(As of two years ago, of the millions of people that read Misplaced Pages, there were 151,934 user accounts total, 7,940 accounts with >5 edits, and 4,330 accounts with >100 edits, see http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/TablesWikipediaEN.htm)

I actually went to your link, and it says that 7,940 is the number of New Accounts (column B), while over a quarter of the accounts (43,001) had over 5 edits (column C). This seems prima facie more plausible. —— Shakescene (talk) 06:40, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

You are right - I misread the columns, thanks for pointing out my error. Still, my point stands: comparatively few of our readers have and use accounts. —Remember the dot 19:07, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I fully agree with your point, and just made a very similar one at Misplaced Pages Talk:Portal—— Shakescene (talk) 23:16, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Network neutrality template

Hi, I had a quick go at one, it should be able to replace those which are in existing articles (which looks pretty bad!). I have not yet put it in any article... maybe you have suggestions for improvement.--SasiSasi (talk) 22:44, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Presenting racial and ethnic breakdown properly

The problem here seems to be that people don't understand that Hispanic people are of any race. If you present racial and ethnic data in a hispanic vs. non-hispanic way, then you are not acknowledging to the racial diversity of the Hispanic group and you are basically telling hispanic whites they are not white, hispanic blacks, they are not black but something other which is not the case. That is why if you present the data by racial breakdown first, white american (includes white hispanic), african american ( includes black hispanic), asian american (includes asian hispanic), other race and then in addition show what percentage of the population is Hispanic in separation, then and only then have you presented the correct racial and ethnic breakdown of the population. 99% of articles on wikipedia present the racial and ethnic breakdown in the same way (the way I just described) and the other present the racial and ethnic breakdown the way it is done in the main article of The Bronx. I think the most proper way to show the racial and ethnic distribution of an area is to do the following: Miami Beach's racial breakdown: The racial makeup of the city was 86.74% White(40.9% were Non-Hispanic Whites,) 4.03% African American, 0.23% Native American, 1.37% Asian, 0.04% Pacific Islander, 4.05% from other races, and 3.53% from two or more races. Hispanic or Latino of any race were 53.45% of the population.--Emigrant85 (talk) 2:35, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Re:New York City

-- Tinu Cherian - 11:57, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Re: New York City flags

Sorry about the revert. The editor who made that latest edit is a suspected sock puppet of Nimbley6 and was vandalizing a large number of pages, so I was just going through and reverting all of his/her edits. I might have reverted some things that weren't so clear-cut. —Politizer /_contribs 23:51, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

I notice this type of thing happens allot, very frustrating. No need to reply, I'm just saying... 2legit2quit2 (talk) 19:52, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Extending RfC

Shakescene: We’re addressing how much longer to run the MOSNUM RfC at the top, here. Greg L (talk) 22:16, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

London as a Sister City to New York

Thanks for your comment. Ive have replied to your comment on my talk page here. Please reply if need be on my talk page or the article talk page. Also, please have a Happy New Year too ;) Regards Ijanderson (talk) 00:54, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

SPA v. SP of A v. SP

Not sure if this is the proper place to respond to your message or not, apologies if it isn't...

I'm not religious about which abbreviation is used, I guess, just as long as the periods are lost per the Misplaced Pages convention and modern use.

The party actually published a number of pamphlets as "Socialist Party of the United States" in the 1920s and afterwards without a formal name change. So I reckon that use of "SP" instead of "SPA" is a pretty easy sale to make... Although I'm using "SPA" on the various pages I create as a matter of consistency.

best,

-- Tim Davenport -- Corvallis, OR -- Carrite (talk) 01:07, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

Spelling: gram versus gramme

Hi,

The issue of spelling 'gram' versus 'gramme' comes up from time to time. You may be interested in what was said at: Template_talk:Convert/Archive_October_2008#Request_.28moved_from_User_talk:TomTheHand.29. Regards Lightmouse (talk) 22:45, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

moving Fowler/Levin to History;?

Hey buddy, next time you put something in the edit summary, try to actually do what you say instead of cutting stuff out and throwing it.
Either way, it did not belong in the History section as it is a recent quote from Fowler. Also, there were are no quotes from Levin in that section, so if that is the reason why you decided to throw it, bad on ya.
Mdandrea (talk) 00:03, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Sorry to bolt on you like that, understandable mistake. I know there was too many things that I should have included but I figured anyone interested could listen to the mp3 of Fowler and decide for themselves. Fowler's input is valuable. Just started listening to Levin. I notice how he calls our President a dummy, and says other things that aren't very nice. I heard a buddy of mine say "we need the fairness doctrine to make the news have some accountability, give both sides, and equal time," so I started looking up information about the Fairness Doctrine. I am sort of for it in a way, but when I see how it is aimed at conservative talk radio, it doesn't sound fair at all. Maybe if they changed the rules of it, just maybe, it could be better. Like, if someone has an opposing view, the Fairness Doctrine could allow them to call the radio station and uninterruptedly say what they want to say. Or if a political candidate or knowledgeable person wants to go on the station, the station should not have to pay for anything. I think it would be unconstitutional for someone to have to pay for something that is their constitutional right. Our rights do not come with a price, the price has been paid on too many battlefields. Still sort of new on Misplaced Pages so my editing isn't very good. I will try to do better. Thanks for your contributions. Mdandrea (talk) 00:32, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Yo, does everything on this article that I put up have to be uniform to your type of writing? Please explain this to me. Also, is it necessary to mention "conservative talk radio program" ? I think saying Levin is enough. No other quote mentions the name of the radio program or news channel, it is unnecessary, that is what cited sources is for... also, I don't believe it is a neutral point of view because many will reject the paragraph once they see "conservative talk".. and like I said before, it doesn't matter what show it is, the notable person said something and is worth quoting. Mdandrea (talk) 07:45, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Everything looked fine to me; it seems to carry the point. Anything significant that could be improved (as with anyone's contributions, certainly including my own), I'm sure will come out in the normal course of editing.

I didn't know (or had forgotten) who Mark Levin was, so I needed to identify him, especially for foreigners who can't hear ABCRadio Networks. And I'm identifying Bill Press as a liberal talk show host. I'll certainly keep your concern (about readers' preconceptions) in mind, but I don't see much harm in showing tendencies so long as it's balanced (identifying the progressive FAIR, etc.) I often try to identify my sources in the text of this particular article (although not strictly necessary) because context seems important, and often the interviewer's significant; Levin and Fowler shared roots in the Reagan administration.

By the way, another editor excised a quotation I put in from Rush Limbaugh's response (in Friday's Wall St. Journal) to Obama's position of "No, but..." I'm thinking of starting a sub-sub-section or sections on different categories of opposition to accommodate both Obama's and Limbaugh's positions. —— Shakescene (talk) 08:28, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Hey man, I understand your points. Good job on your work so far, that Suggested alternatives section is brilliant. I have been thinking that most of our liberal friends don't want the "fairness doctrine" but something more directed to talk radio. Matter of fact, I think BJ Clinton's quote said something like that. Thanks, Mdandrea (talk) 00:18, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

User fork

Thank you for your concern. Now, if only WP:USER FORK weren't a redlink, I might know what action to take to prevent its dire consequences. :( Maybe you'll need to spoon-feed me that information, in order to prevent being put to the knife. :( Baseball Bugs 10:48, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

New York state elections

The NYelections template is too bulky to be put on the top right side of my state election articles, it conflicts in space with the election wikitable. I'm not sure if it is better to re-format it, or to add it somewhere below. We should find some practical solution.

Maybe you could look at a discussion I'm having with User:Muboshgu about a template (navbox) I am using for the creation of my articles (it is necessary to go forward and backward to check info, and copy/paste parts, and that guy keeps vandalizing it, giving some absurd reasons. Maybe you could tell me your opinion on this. Kraxler (talk) 20:46, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Although I can understand the reasons on both sides, I'm not getting anywhere near that angry discussion until everyone cools down. And everyone basically wants the same ends; it's just a matter of figuring the best (or least-impractical) way of doing so.

As for the secondary problem (to which I was not referring in my first message), my solution (well before I had any idea of Moboshgu's involvement) for New York state election, 1848 was just to add the tag at the first section, rather than at the top where it would indeed conflict with the election results table. It doesn't exactly fit the typical NY elections style of starting right at the top, but then neither does that happen at the individual year pages for New York City mayoral elections (New York City mayoral election, 1917, 1977, 1997, 2001 & 2005) where we have a much bigger conflict with a huge new NYC election template that someone wants to add at the top. And it doesn't crowd or interfere with your paragraph of text. —— Shakescene (talk) 21:18, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Also (I forgot) your template at the bottom should be narrowed a little bit so that it matches the average width of other New York state and New York City templates (it was for this reason that I deleted the flag from the template for Mayors of New York cities over 100,000 in population ) —— Shakescene (talk) 21:24, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

I've actually never formatted a template, I just write them, and the width comes sort of automatic. Feel free to "narrow" it, if you think it best, provided the content is kept. Besides, I took another look at your ElectionsNY template, and it has now "Elections by year" somewhere and the Gubernatorial template farther down. Actually I am redoing this whole thing, and I intend to deactivate the "Gubernatorial" template later, leaving only the state election one. In the first place, I did not create the separate gubernatorial election articles, some funny guy just separated them from the main article (which I vastly expanded with all gubernatorial elections, it had about 10 elections out of 89 when I first saw it) without adding anything, just uselessly duplicating the info. Later I thought about what to do with this, and I thought I had a good idea, until that other funny guy came along and messed about in my navbox, without adding any info to the articles, "standardizing". Well, you have seen my opinion on that. The problem now is: How can I get rid of that guy, and return to WORK in peace? Any suggestions? And, I'm cool as a cucumber :D Kraxler (talk) 22:08, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Concerning the text of the articles, it is really not easy to explain the Barnburner and Hunker thing in a few words. That is what the blue links are for, ok, so far so good. To explain things again and again in every article (for people who would not or could not access the links), I'm confident that the articles grow later, maybe somebody who knows enough of the subject can do it, or I can do it, after completing the basic chore of creating the articles of the actual elections, and of the actually elected officers (look at my user page and you see what I'm talking about). That's the way to know something about it, and to know what to write about it. It is a question of time... Kraxler (talk) 22:57, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Template:ElectionsNY

Regarding this template, I think its best to keep the order similar to Template:ElectionsCA, which has federal elections, state elections, then elections by year, and city elections. I think federal elections should be above state elections based on importance. --Muboshgu (talk) 01:39, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Baseball Bugs

Hey, I noticed you a lot on his talk page, what the heck happened? Soxwon (talk) 23:59, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

I don't want jokes, I wanna know if you know why he left. Soxwon (talk) 02:06, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Just before he left, a third party noted to him that, after deciding to quit AN/I discussions, he was still the most prolific poster there. My pure guess is that that prompted him to go cold turkey on wiki for a while. I hope he comes back too, especially if God does his job and we finally get a Cubs/Red Sox World Series. PhGustaf (talk) 00:27, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

I suppose after winning 2 we could be magnanimous and let the Cubbies win one. :P Soxwon (talk) 00:34, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Greater New York

You did a good job on the Greater New York disambiguation, but I wanted to point out a guideline about disambiguation pages from MoS:DP:

To avoid confusing the reader, each bulleted entry should have only one navigable (blue) link. Do not wikilink any other words in the line

Another advantage of this is that if an editor is using Misplaced Pages:Tools/Navigation popups, there are only the choices that the disambiguator (my made up word) would likely select. Thanks --rogerd (talk) 04:42, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Date formatting and linking poll

The poll is reopen for one more day so please take time to vote. just out of interest, how did you hear about the poll? Did someone contact you by email? Ryan Postlethwaite 09:53, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks

Thank you for this edit. I can't even recall making this edit. Kinda weird haha, regards Ijanderson (talk) 11:07, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

History tab poll

Hey, I moved your comment up to the authors section to make it a bit clearer. If you don't want this please undo or let me know and I'll undo. –M

My bad

For reverting your edits to BB's talk page. I initially saw it as removing messages, I hadn't realized he had left. I restored what you did/rv myself, etc, as the two added comments are that of a possible impersonator, and that of a possible sockpuppet, see WP:Sockpuppet investigations/Caden for more on that.— Dædαlus 23:32, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

I know it was his, that's what I'm saying. I didn't see that that edit added by the harasser was what it was, I didn't see that it removed one of his edits. When I saw what I had done, after looking through the history, I reverted myself.— Dædαlus 23:54, 19 May 2009 (UTC)