| Revision as of 02:59, 30 April 2009 editTampabay721 (talk | contribs)Autopatrolled, Extended confirmed users, Pending changes reviewers27,737 editsNo edit summary← Previous edit | Revision as of 03:37, 30 April 2009 edit undoXenophrenic (talk | contribs)Extended confirmed users, Pending changes reviewers19,497 edits warning and suggestionsNext edit → | ||
| Line 9: | Line 9: | ||
| ] This is the '''last warning''' you will receive for your disruptive edits{{#if:Jonny Gomes|, such as those you made to ]}}. If you ] Misplaced Pages again, you '''will''' be ]. <!-- Template:uw-vandalism4 --> ] (]) 02:59, 30 April 2009 (UTC) | ] This is the '''last warning''' you will receive for your disruptive edits{{#if:Jonny Gomes|, such as those you made to ]}}. If you ] Misplaced Pages again, you '''will''' be ]. <!-- Template:uw-vandalism4 --> ] (]) 02:59, 30 April 2009 (UTC) | ||
| ::I came here to give you a warning for disruptive edits and edit warning, but looks like Tampabay beat me to it. Apply the same admonition to your edits of the ] article. | |||
| ::I see by your edit summaries that you feel waterboarding is not torture. I have 3 suggestions for you before you return to the Mohammed article. | |||
| ::(1) Take it up on the ] article. As it stands right now, waterboarding is defined as torture. | |||
| ::(2) Consider that you comparing the waterboarding of Mohammed to the SERE training given to military is misleading. The described in the article you keep editing notes (see page 41, very bottom): | |||
| :::''The IG Report noted that in some cases the waterboard was used with far greater frequency than initially indicated, see IG Report at 5, 44, 46, 103-04, and also that it was used in a different manner. See id. at 37 ("he waterboard technique ... was different from the technique described in the DoJ opinion and used in the SERE training. The difference was the manner in which the detainee's breathing was obstructed. At the SERE school and in the DoJ opinion, the subject's airflow is disrupted by the firm application of a damp cloth over the air passages; the interrogator applies a small amount of water to the cloth in a controlled manner. By contrast, the Agency Interrogator ... applied large volumes of water to a cloth that covered the detainee's mouth and nose. One of the psychologists/interrogators acknowledged that the Agency's use of the technique is different from that used in SERE training because it is "for real--and is more poignant and convincing.")'' | |||
| ::Mohammed wasn't given the SERE-Training Waterboarding education course, like you imply. He got the longer, more frequent, harsher version of the torture. | |||
| ::(3) It doesn't matter what your subjective definitions of torture and waterboarding are. If the sources say he claimed he was tortured, then that is what the Misplaced Pages article should say ... without the ] or other editorial commentary you want to sneak in. It's against ]. ] (]) 03:37, 30 April 2009 (UTC) | |||
Revision as of 03:37, 30 April 2009
April 2009
Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Misplaced Pages, as you did to Jonny Gomes. Your edits appear to constitute vandalism and have been reverted. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. Thank you. Tampabay721 (talk) 02:28, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to vandalize Misplaced Pages, as you did at Jonny Gomes, you will be blocked from editing. Tampabay721 (talk) 15:45, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
Welcome to Misplaced Pages. The project's content policies require that all articles be written from a neutral point of view, and not introduce bias or give undue weight to viewpoints. Please bear this in mind when making edits such as your recent edit to Khalid Sheikh Mohammed. You may also wish to read the introduction to editing. Thank you. decltype (talk) 19:25, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
Please do not add commentary or your own personal analysis to Misplaced Pages articles, as you did to Jonny Gomes. Doing so violates Misplaced Pages's neutral point of view policy and breaches the formal tone expected in an encyclopedia. Thank you. Tampabay721 (talk) 19:27, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
This is the last warning you will receive for your disruptive edits, such as those you made to Jonny Gomes. If you vandalize Misplaced Pages again, you will be blocked from editing. Tampabay721 (talk) 02:59, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
- I came here to give you a warning for disruptive edits and edit warning, but looks like Tampabay beat me to it. Apply the same admonition to your edits of the Khalid Sheikh Mohammed article.
- I see by your edit summaries that you feel waterboarding is not torture. I have 3 suggestions for you before you return to the Mohammed article.
- (1) Take it up on the Waterboarding article. As it stands right now, waterboarding is defined as torture.
- (2) Consider that you comparing the waterboarding of Mohammed to the SERE training given to military is misleading. The memo described in the article you keep editing notes (see page 41, very bottom):
- The IG Report noted that in some cases the waterboard was used with far greater frequency than initially indicated, see IG Report at 5, 44, 46, 103-04, and also that it was used in a different manner. See id. at 37 ("he waterboard technique ... was different from the technique described in the DoJ opinion and used in the SERE training. The difference was the manner in which the detainee's breathing was obstructed. At the SERE school and in the DoJ opinion, the subject's airflow is disrupted by the firm application of a damp cloth over the air passages; the interrogator applies a small amount of water to the cloth in a controlled manner. By contrast, the Agency Interrogator ... applied large volumes of water to a cloth that covered the detainee's mouth and nose. One of the psychologists/interrogators acknowledged that the Agency's use of the technique is different from that used in SERE training because it is "for real--and is more poignant and convincing.")
- Mohammed wasn't given the SERE-Training Waterboarding education course, like you imply. He got the longer, more frequent, harsher version of the torture.
- (3) It doesn't matter what your subjective definitions of torture and waterboarding are. If the sources say he claimed he was tortured, then that is what the Misplaced Pages article should say ... without the scare quotes or other editorial commentary you want to sneak in. It's against WP:OR. Xenophrenic (talk) 03:37, 30 April 2009 (UTC)