Misplaced Pages

Revision as of 07:53, 18 April 2009

Pings Xiao and Hsiao P'ing-shih

Pings Xiao (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View log)

Hsiao P'ing-shih (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View log)

If you came here because someone asked you to, or you read a message on another website, please note that this is not a majority vote, but instead a discussion among Misplaced Pages contributors. Misplaced Pages has policies and guidelines regarding the encyclopedia's content, and consensus (agreement) is gauged based on the merits of the arguments, not by counting votes. However, you are invited to participate and your opinion is welcome. Remember to assume good faith on the part of others and to sign your posts on this page by adding ~~~~ at the end. Note: Comments may be tagged as follows: suspected single-purpose accounts: {{subst:spa|username}}; suspected canvassed users: {{subst:canvassed|username}}; accounts blocked for sockpuppetry: {{subst:csm|username}} or {{subst:csp|username}}.

Pings Xiao is an over-long article about a controversial Chinese Buddhist. The page about him on the Chinese Misplaced Pages is currently fully protected due to edit wars / vandalism apparently. The problem is an absence of information in English. — RHaworth (Talk | contribs) 06:09, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of China-related deletion discussions. -- — LinguistAtLarge • Talk  06:15, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Buddhism-related deletion discussions. Clay Collier (talk) 09:50, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
• Keep Looks to be notable but lacks sources. Should be tagged, and editors given the chance to source and tidy up. Being overtly long is not a reason for deletion, just judicious editing. (I'd tag it myself, but can never find them...) --Michael Johnson (talk) 06:26, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
• Weak Delete: The biggest problem right now is that there is no clear assertion of notability in the article, and no English-language sources that can be used to assess the importance of the person being described. It's possible that he's somewhat influential abroad, but it's really not possible to quickly assess. Compared to someone like Hsing Yun, he doesn't have much of a presence in English-language sources, and neither do the groups that he is supposed to have started, though there is some question about the transliteration of his name- the article Hsiao P'ing-shih appears to be about the same person, and there's at least one other alternate translit (Xiaopeng Shi variants). The current article is a mess, and appears to be as concerned with defending his views on the Tathagatagarbha as anything else, including a lot of OR, misuse of sources, etc. If the article is kept, it really needs to be cut down to a stub and restructured. --Clay Collier (talk) 07:10, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
• Comment. Yes Hsiao P'ing-shih points to the same article on the zh: Misplaced Pages so I am sure it is the same person. I was very tempted to close this discussion by redirecting Pings Xiao to Hsiao P'ing-shih since the latter article seems to be an appropriate length for the notability of this person in English language sources! Clearly, if the decision here is to keep, then the articles must be merged. — RHaworth (Talk | contribs) 08:24, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
• Delete precisely one GNews archive hit in Chinese: which is not primarily about him. The Google hits in Chinese are numerous but appear to be nothing but a sea of blogs, forums, video sites, booksellers, and other similar internet flotsam. The only reliable source I can find about him at all is a single news article in a Taiwan local newspaper about how Hsing Yun criticised something he said. cab (talk) 09:33, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
• Keep If someone can write the articles in English, there do not need to be english sources. If he';s controversial, there is obviously something to say. DGG (talk) 03:18, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
  • There are no Chinese sources either, as I pointed out above. On what basis exactly are editors supposed to write this article? The extremely verbose say-so of the devotee of his who has hijacked Misplaced Pages to write an original research essay defending Xiao's non-notable writings? cab (talk) 03:54, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
    • Exactly- my concern is that for someone who is claimed to have started Buddhist foundations and given talks in the States and elsewhere, he doesn't appear to have garnered any mention in the press or academic sources. There is not a clear assertion in the article of what his notability is, and the paucity of sources in English or Chinese (referring here to things about him, not books he has written) makes it impossible for independent editors to corroborate his notability or write the article. It would be very surprising to me for a religious leader in abroad involved in a notable public dispute, or the leader of a large following, to not have any mention in the English foreign press- consider Phrarajbhavanavisudh, for instance, a person who most Westerners have never heard of, but who is still well documented in the English press because of his leadership of a large temple and role in a major scandal in Thailand, or Hsing Yun who leads a large Taiwanese following with branches abroad. This combination of factors leads me to believe that a neutral, verifiable article about him can not be written at this time. --Clay Collier (talk) 07:40, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

KEEP:There is no need to remove this article since the author has been writing a series of books on Tathagatagarbha, which undoubtedly plays an indispensable role in practicing Buddhism. Despite his different views on the dharma progagted by other contemporary Buddhist groups, The Dharma he propagated in his publications is still worthwhile being publicly studied and meticulously examined by the majority of Buddhist groups. Like Hsing Yun, Pings Xiao, also as a founder of a Buddhist group, is an equally important figure in modern Buddhism. Based on the principles of information accessability and documentary integrity, this article can be served as a valuable resource to Wiki page.--Sophia Chen (talk) 07:08, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

This template must be substituted.

KEEP: This article is clear to introduce the three-vehicle Buddhist dharma and the practicing way, I desire to watch for a long time and hope the editor to write more contents, please do not delete the Wiki page. More person to see, more person be benefits! Thanks a million! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Demi Yi (talk • contribs)

This template must be substituted.

• Keep Although the comtents of two pages are similar ,Pings Xiao is not equal Hsiao P'ing-shih.But anyone who has his spot in the unique noun . I mean two pages are focused on people who are individual.The two pages have their own fans . If you merge one or delete one page, someone can't find his information. In order to protect personal right , keep two page will be good method. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shower0514 (talk • contribs)

This template must be substituted.

KEEP: This article is clear to introduce the true Three-Vehicle Buddhist Dharma and the right practicing way, many friends of buddhist & me are desiring to read it for a long time and hope the editor to write more contents, please do not delete the Wiki page. More persons want to see, more persons be benefits! Thanks a million! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jackie Yeh (talk • contribs)

This template must be substituted.

• AfD debates (Biographical)
• AfD debates