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Candidate entries

Articles created/expanded on March 19

Ninja Miners

  • ALT1:.. that the number of Ninja Miners in Mongolia increased from 30,000 to 100,000 between 2003 and 2007?

5x expanded by kelapstick (talk). Self nom at 22:24, 19 March 2009 (UTC)


George Hedges

  • ... that George Hedges, a lawyer who represented Hollywood stars and studios, was part of an archaeological team that discovered the remains of the ancient frankincense trading city of Ubar?

5x expanded by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 20:00, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Mr. Adams and Eve

ALT:...that most filmed copy of the CBS sitcom Mr. Adams and Eve was destroyed or lost in storage because of a contract dispute when the series was cancelled in 1958?

New artice by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 16:28, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Festning Tunnel, Rådhusplassen

Created/expanded by Arsenikk (talk). Self nom at 17:08, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Dorothea Holt Redmond

  • ... that when Dorothea Holt Redmond was hired in 1938 in the "heretofore exclusively male field" of film production design, male co-workers demanded that she work in a walled-off area separated from them?

5x expanded by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 16:01, 19 March 2009 (UTC)


Hunga Tonga

Created by Tim1965 (talk). Self nom at 15:48, 19 March 2009 (UTC)


Le Journal de Mickey

  • ... that Le Journal de Mickey, a French comics magazine first published in 1934, is credited with "the birth of the modern bande dessinée"?

Created by Fram (talk). Self nom at 15:04, 19 March 2009 (UTC)


Vika Line

Vika Line

    • ... that when the Vika Line openend in 1995, it was the first new street line of the Oslo Tramway since 1939?

5x expanded by Arsenikk (talk). Self nom at 14:33, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Korean Air Lines Flight 85

Created by Esemono (talk). Self nom at 08:01, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Sunfish Pond

Sunfish Pond

Created by Dmadeo (talk). Self nom at 07:04, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Henryk Rzewuski

Henryk Rzewuski

Self-nom by Nihil novi (talk) 06:05, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

  • Length and date verified. Offline sources for hook accepted on good faith. (It would be better if each sentence referring to hook had a citation, but will accept good faith of editor on this issue in this case.) —Mattisse (Talk) 11:23, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Sarojini Varadappan

Created/expanded by Ravichandar84 (talk). Self nom at 05:09, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

John Phillimore

Created by Benea (talk). Self nom at 02:16, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Warren Tolman

Created by Chick Bowen (talk). Self nom at 01:27, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on March 18

Iced Earth discography

5x expanded by Cannibaloki (talk). Self nom at 21:07, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Skip Young (actor)

ALT:...that Skip Young, who played humorous Wally Plumstead on ABC's The Adventures of Ozzie and Harriet, was a Korean War Navy veteran interred at Riverside National Cemetery?

New artice by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 16:38, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Monster Kingdom: Jewel Summoner

Created by Vantine84 (talk). Self nom at 07:25, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

  • Length and date verified. Source for hook is not clearly verified. The source says, "The monster training system follows the PSP's internal clock, as a monster that you've trained in the morning shows the fruits of your labor at night." I do not understand from this that the player's monsters continual to be trained when the console is not in use. Does the source sentence have the same meaning as your hook? —Mattisse (Talk) 12:42, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Magnificent (U2 song)

  • ... that the U2 song "Magnificent" was originally titled "French Disco"?

Created by Y2kcrazyjoker (talk), MelicansMatkin (talk). Self nom at 05:08, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Scribner House (Cornwall, New York)

Hai Ying Wu

Created by Tim1965 (talk). Self nom at 01:19, 19 March 2009 (UTC)


Osbjorn Bulax

Created by Deacon of Pndapetzim (talk). Self nom at 00:10, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Davis v. Beason

Created by ] (]). Self nom at 22:49, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

  • Length and date verified. I think the hook misrepresents the decision just a little, in that the court upheld a lower court ruling that an Idaho statute charging the defendant with a crime because he refused to take an oath as prescribed by an Idaho statute, that he would not commit polygamy or bigamy, did not violate his right to Free Exercise of his religion as a member of the Mormon Church. The Supreme court ruled this statute did not violate the defendant's First Amendment rights. Is your wording is good enough? —Mattisse (Talk) 13:15, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
  • I think the wording is accurate and correctly represents the decision. It could be a little more precise to say "...that it was acceptable for States or Territories to prohibit religious polygamists from voting...". Or is your problem with the phrase "religious polygamists"? Do you have a preferred wording? Tempshill (talk) 17:10, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Tianyulong

  • ... that the discovery of feather-like structures on the primitive dinosaur Tianyulong raises the possibility that ancestral dinosaurs were also feathered?

Created by Crazyharp81602 (talk). Nominated by ArthurWeasley (talk) at 22:22, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

The proto-feathers were filamentous hair-like structures so an animal covered with them will indeed look fuzzy. I can either modify the hook or write a sentence on fuzziness in the article, whichever you prefer. ArthurWeasley (talk) 23:21, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
Modified the hook. ArthurWeasley (talk) 23:24, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
You should clarify things in the article regardless. We can't expect an average reader to know what proto-feathers are and whether or not they were fuzzy. rʨanaɢ /contribs 23:29, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
Done! The term "Fuzzy" is not very encyclopedic that's why it is not used in the article but it was used in the press release provided in the external link section. ArthurWeasley (talk) 23:56, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Batavier Line, SS Batavier II (1897), SS Batavier V (1902)

Created by Bellhalla (talk). Self nom at 21:51, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

  • I'm not sure we necessarily need to explain everything in the hook, but the ALT works for me if that's what others think. It is, however, over 200 characters… — Bellhalla (talk) 14:46, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

János Apáczai Csere

5x expanded by David Eppstein (talk). Self nom at 21:47, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

HMS Archer (D78)

5x expanded by Mjroots (talk). Self nom at 19:30, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

List of Silver Slugger Award winners at first base

Created/expanded by Killervogel5 (talk). Self nom at 18:48, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

  • Length and date verified. Sources verified that both father and son were winners in that category. But I am not clear that the sources show that they were the "only" father-son combination. Could you point out where that is sourced, as I am missing it? —Mattisse (Talk) 20:46, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
  • Well, I could link to each player's statistics at Baseball-Reference, which shows parentage, but that would be a very large amount of refs. I know that the List of second-generation Major League Baseball players verifies it, but it's a Misplaced Pages page. and are lists of players, and though they don't specifically state this fact, checking them against the Misplaced Pages list will show that no other set won the award as first basemen. I am not sure what exactly would be required here. KV5 (Talk • Phils) 01:06, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
  • If these issues make this a problem, may I suggest...
Alt1: ... that father and son combination Cecil Fielder and Prince Fielder each won a Silver Slugger Award at first base? KV5 (Talk • Phils) 01:33, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Crucibulum laeve

Created/expanded by Sasata (talk). Self nom at 17:03, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Joel Hopkins

Created by 97198 (talk). Self nom at 13:24, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Lucy Stone

  • ... that Lucy Stone was pestered by rude comments from men and boys in the street during the year and a half she chose to wear fashion bloomers?

5x expanded by Binksternet (talk). Self nom at 12:50, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Johnny Washbrook

5x expanded by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 17:03, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Edward Brickell White

5x expanded by KudzuVine (talk). Self nom at 11:56, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

  • Length (5x expansion) and date verified. Hook is not stated clearly in article and it is difficult to verify without reading 10 PDF documents and compiling the info. Could the nominator please put the hook in the article and reference it? —Mattisse (Talk) 17:32, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
  • I rethought this also, and decided to accept your hook references on good faith. Looking through the info, I can see that he indeed was a noted architect with many such buildings to his credit. —Mattisse (Talk) 23:06, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
  • Rethought this. I could rewrite because the South Carolina Encyclopedia (reference 1) lists everything but the Daniel Morgan Monument. It does not specifically say that Grace Church and Charleston High are in Charleston Historic District and does not say that any are NHL/NRHP. And it is not online. I will also think about an alternate hook, but have not yet thought of one.KudzuVine (talk) 21:19, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
  • This one really doesn't work because Market Hall is a Greek Revival (I am not an architect and you could fool me!) I changed the article to put in the Huguenot Church picture because it is said to be Gothic Revival. I would stick with the original hook. KudzuVine (talk) 19:10, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Slaven's Cabin

Created by JKBrooks85 (talk). Self nom at 02:53, 18 March 2009 (UTC)


Martin Knowlton

  • ... that Martin Knowlton conceived the Elderhostel concept, in which senior citizens take college-level courses in the summer, to overcome "the disturbing concept that people are all used up after age 65"?

Created by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 00:23, 19 March 2009 (UTC)


Jason Lau

  • ... that Jason Lau is a Wing Chun Kung Fu Grandmaster who was an instructor in Mitchell Werbell III's counter-terrorist training camp?

Created by User:Pecoc (talk). Self nom at 02:36, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Adolf Pilch

Created by Piotrus (talk). Self nom at 22:57, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on March 17

612th Tank Destroyer Battalion

Created by Btphelps (talk). Nominated by Shimgray (talk) at 21:36, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

History of the Oslo Tramway and T-bane, Homansbyen (station)

Created/expanded by Arsenikk (talk). Self nom at 14:38, 19 March 2009 (UTC)


Patrick Fowler

Created by ISD (talk). Self nom at 08:34, 19 March 2009 (UTC)


Sandomierz Voivodeship (1939)

Li Fan

Created by Nlu (talk). Self nom at 17:29, 18 March 2009 (UTC)


Fountain of the Great Lakes

5x expanded by TonyTheTiger (talk). Self nom at 07:02, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

  • I reworded it. Is that OK?

Red Gap, British Columbia

Created by KenWalker (talk). Self nom at 06:50, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Camperdown Cemetery

5x expanded by Amandajm (talk). Self nom, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

  • The problem with the link has been repaired. This is now a quite a long article and not all the refs are in place. Requires time. It's currently going for a DYK, not an FA. Amandajm (talk) 05:30, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
Response I'm getting there. being now a longish article, it takes time to write and reference. The time frame for completing and referencing is indefinite. Having considerably expanded it, the time frame for putting it up for DYK is considerably shorter. That is the point that I am making here. Amandajm (talk) 08:44, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
I have some refs somewhere or other on my bookshelf as well, but there is alot going on all over the 'pedia currently. Casliber (talk · contribs) 23:44, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Edmund Harbitz

5x expanded by Punkmorten (talk). Self nom at 22:07, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

My Friend Flicka (TV series)

ALT... that the CBS western TV series My Friend Flicka produced only 39 episodes but aired for years on numerous networks in reruns?

5x expanded by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 17:33, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Chilkat weaving

  • ... that Tsimshian, Tlingit, and Haida tribes traditionally create ceremonial regalia with Chilkat weaving, a technique so complex that a single blanket might take a year to weave?

Created by Uyvsdi (talk). Self nom at 18:51, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Sorry about the length. Do I resubmit it or do you just chose from either suggested, alternative hooks? Both seem quite good and concise. -Uyvsdi (talk) 20:33, 17 March 2009 (UTC)Uyvsdi

BlogShares

Created by Gary King (talk). Self nom at 17:42, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Harvard Girl

Created by Rjanag (talk). Self nom at 16:27, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

  • The particular wording "national superstar" is on page 2 of the Boston Globe ref (so if you did a page search just on the first page, you wouldn't have found it). The other refs don't use that exact phrase, but all say pretty much the same thing. As for hook2, I was just considering it simple math; I figured "tenfold" is catchier and hookier than giving the exact numbers. If it's a problem, I can reword the article itself to say tenfold rather than repeating the exact numbers; either way is fine with me. rʨanaɢ /contribs 02:57, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
  • The way 'national superstar' is used in the article is not an assertion the reference is making. It is a quote from an apparent interview of a Liu-counterpart. Not sure if that helps. shoot! 04:51, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
  • Yeah, but they're quoting a guy saying something that is widely known and accepted; it's not like he's trying to puff her up more or anything, he's just stating what is common knowledge over there. For more similar refs that are not quotes from people: "household name" (Harvard Crimson), "huge celebrity" (New York Times), "celebrity status" (Harvard Magazine). The claim this hook is making is not a controversial one, and I can easily switch out "national superstar" for one of these equivalent counterparts from a different source. rʨanaɢ /contribs 05:15, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
  • Also, if you read through the article, you can see that, while the exact phrase "national superstar" might be a quote from a person rather than from the article writer, the article itself is also making the same assertion, just in different words. rʨanaɢ /contribs 05:21, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

USCGC Citrus (WLB-300)

Created/expanded by KudzuVine (talk). Self nom at 13:44, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. I put "ship" in. KudzuVine (talk) 15:03, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Mark Starr

  • ... that, despite competing alongside each other for years and holding a tag team championship together, wrestlers Mark Starr and Chris Champion used different last names?

Created/expanded by GaryColemanFan (talk). Self nom at 07:11, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

  • Boy, do I feel stupid. I hereby promise not to post any more hook suggestions when I'm that tired. How about "... that, despite competing alongside each other for years and holding a tag team championship together, wrestling brothers Mark Starr and Chris Champion used different last names?"
- Why is the article title Mark Starr? Shouldn't it be his real name, with Mark Starr redirecting to it? FingersOnRoids♫ 01:33, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
Wrestling articles Hulk Hogan, The Undertaker, Chris Jericho, and Andre the Giant don't use their subjects' real names either, and neither does Mark Twain, so is Mark Starr any different? Art LaPella (talk) 02:03, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
Hm, you've got a point. I guess I somehow got it into my head that real names are usually used. FingersOnRoids♫ 02:10, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
The most commonly used name is where the article is placed. Since he only wrestled as Mark Starr, that's where I made the article. I like the second alternative hook, but I though a word could be eliminated with Alt 3 - "... that, despite wrestling alongside each other for years and holding a tag team championship together, brothers Mark Starr and Chris Champion used different last names?" GaryColemanFan (talk) 03:17, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
- Length, date, ref for hook all check out. I think Alt 3 is the best. FingersOnRoids♫ 00:30, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Against All Odds (2005)

Created/expanded by Wrestlinglover (talk). Self nom at 04:07, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Alright, doesn't bother me any. I forgot to be more out of universe.--WillC---(What the F*** have you done lately???!!) 20:16, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on March 16

George G. Bingham

Created by Aboutmovies (talk). Self nom at 05:59, 18 March 2009 (UTC)


Inuvialuit Settlement Region

Created by Rosiestep (talk). Self nom at 21:40, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Pei Ji (Late Tang)

Created by Nlu (talk). Self nom at 18:03, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

  • The obscure phrase "reassessed the formula for cash-goods conversion" turns out to mean "reassessed the value of goods used to pay taxes", so I suggest substituting that phrase. Art LaPella (talk) 02:03, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
  • No, the article doesn't say "taxable goods". It says "Further, if the people were to submit the products of labor to satisfy their taxes, the conversion formulas into cash were still the ones set early in Emperor Dezong's reign, when those goods cost less in terms of monetary value; therefore, by the time that Pei was chancellor, the burdens of the people were inappropriately high." So it was a primitive barter economy where farmers were likely to pay tax in the form of rice (or whatever they had) because they had no money. The goods were payment for the tax; the goods weren't taxed themselves. Art LaPella (talk) 02:08, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
  • I'll propose another alternative myself:

Miss Amelia Van Buren

Created/expanded by JNW (talk). Nominated by Raul654 (talk) at 17:59, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Hobo News, International Brotherhood Welfare Association

  • ALT1:... that in the early 20th century there were two American newspapers called Hobo News?

Created by Apoc2400 (talk). Nominated by Rjanag (talk) at 13:35, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

(takes care of the problem of no mention of the IBWA) —Mattisse (Talk) 21:29, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
  • Yeah, I found it a bit weird, but I've just been using it as a convenient way to access what otherwise seems like a real journal article. I guess I could go looking for the actual article in a database somewhere, if something lights a fire under me. rʨanaɢ /contribs 22:31, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

St Philip's Church, Hove

Created by Hassocks5489 (talk). Self nom at 21:58, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Davy Crockett (TV series)

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 21:58, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

  • Considered by whom? Not stated in the article either. Also some concern over the reliability of the sources used aside from the one used to support this fact. —97198 (talk) 12:30, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
Correction made Billy Hathorn (talk) 15:52, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Mr. Smith Goes to Washington (TV series)

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 21:58, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

It may be 1500 now.Billy Hathorn (talk) 21:36, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Dante (TV series)

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 21:58, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Australian Made

Created by Shaidar cuebiyar (talk). Self nom at 20:55, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Brykill Farms

Created by Daniel Case (talk). Self nom at 20:52, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Macclesfield Castle

  • ... that in 1932, the porch of Macclesfield Castle in Macclesfield, which dated from the reign of Henry II and was the only standing part of the castle, was dismantled and replaced by cottages and shops?

Created by Nev1 (talk). Self nom at 19:42, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

  • Length and date verified. Some of the sources for the hook were verified by online link; the rest is accepted on good faith from off line book source. —Mattisse (Talk) 21:35, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
  • Only reason to wikilink is that the DYK instructions encourage wikilinking, I presume because the wikilink popups enrich an obscure one sentence statement for the reader. Perhaps "reign" is unnecessary, but the popup is good. —Mattisse (Talk) 19:28, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

On the Banks of the Wabash, Far Away

5x expanded by Charles Edward (talk). Self nom at 18:46, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Per Øisang

Created by Punkmorten (talk). Self nom at 18:29, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

::* alt ... that when journalist Per Øisang hosted the Norwegian Broadcasting Corporation's televised Norwegian election debates in the early 1960s, other politicians questioned the candidates and not Øisang? (added a little more detail & wikilinks) —Mattisse (Talk) 22:42, 16 March 2009 (UTC) strike per popular request

  • I suggest removing the links "journalist" and "Norwegian" as being superfluous. It should be clear anyway that he was a journalist and that the election was Norwegian (why else would it be broadcasted by the Norwegian Broadcasting Corporation?) Punkmorten (talk) 11:03, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
  • The alt hook reads oddly - it sounds as if the implication is that the politicians should have been interviewing Øisang rather than each other, if that makes sense. —97198 (talk) 12:33, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Leptodirus hochenwartii

L. hochenwartii on a 1871 litograph

Created by yerpo (talk). Self nom at 14:56, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Removed the stub tag which was left there from the first (stubby) version, because the article was expanded since. I feel that the article now covers the subject well enough to be marked as "start class". --Yerpo (talk) 15:52, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

James Beach

Created by A Stop at Willoughby (talk), Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 13:28, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

The Damage a Man Can Do

Created by 97198 (talk). Self nom at 12:51, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

My French Coach and My Spanish Coach

  • ... that the 2007 video game My Spanish Coach contains nearly 10,000 words in the game's dictionary that the player can learn?

5x expanded by Sephiroth BCR (talk). Self nom at 08:57, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on March 15

Rodeo in the United States

Created by Buttermilk1950 (talk). Nominated by Una Smith (talk) at 14:27, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

  • Date and length check out. Hook is in the article, but is not specifically sourced. Also, the article recently received a {{POV}} tag from me and may not be suitable for the front page as it is unbalanced. ++Lar: t/c 19:38, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Kadettangen

Created by Punkmorten (talk). Self nom at 21:17, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Kikuchi clan

Family crest (mon) of the Kikuchi clan

Created/expanded by Victorblarsson (talk). Nominated by LordAmeth (talk) at 10:52, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

  • Length (5x expansion) and date verified. Off line book sources for hook accepted on good faith. (Editor needs to add page numbers to book references.) —Mattisse (Talk) 21:07, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Islamic Extremism among British Pakistanis

Created/expanded by Wikireader41 (talk). Nominated by Boston (talk) at 03:56, 18 March 2009 (UTC)


  • The article is currently in AfD debate but I would like it to please be considered if/when it passes. It's a big article, so to make things simple, here and here are inline citations supporting the hook.--Boston (talk) 03:56, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Alla (song)

5x expanded by Grk1011 (talk). Self nom at 00:42, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

First Jassy-Kishinev Offensive

Created by Eurocopter (talk). Self nom at 14:44, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Evan Turner

created by Nick22aku (talk). Expanded/Nominated by TonyTheTiger (talk) at 07:21, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

  • Length and date verified. Unfortunately I could not verify the hook. Perhaps the nominator could help me out. Also, does the hook say player Evan Turner was the only unanimous selection ever in the conference? Or that season? What is the time period being referred to? —Mattisse (Talk) 16:51, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Agaricus semotus

Created by Scott Mudge (talk). Nominated by Sasata (talk) at 05:00, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Stone Harbor Bird Sanctuary

Created by Dmadeo (talk). Self nom at 03:43, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Yu Di

  • ... that the Tang Dynasty chancellor lost his chancellorship in a scandal where he tried to use bribes to obtain a Jiedushi (military governor) position?

Created by Nlu (talk). Self nom at 02:12, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

  • Length and date verified. Unfortunately, I could not find the hook in the article although there was discussion of bribes. Also, the hook in the article must have a reference directly after it, even if it means repeating a reference further down in the paragraph. —Mattisse (Talk) 17:02, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Cara Duff-MacCormick and Moonchildren

Created/expanded by Nrswanson (talk). Nominated by Boston (talk) at 04:44, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

  • Do both articles have to mention the hook fact? That can be a difficult requirement in cases and may lead to awkward editing choices just to get articles approved for DYK. If I was to insert the hook fact into the Moonchildren article I would be using the same reference and I don't see the point of it. What we are worried about is errors going on the main page. --Boston (talk) 03:59, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
  • They don't both need to mention it, if the one article mentions the other article in pretty much the same spot. Both articles do, however, have to be well-referenced in general and all that stuff. rʨanaɢ /contribs 04:40, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Lawrence Herkimer

  • ALT1:... that Lawrence Herkimer invented the cheerleading jump known as the herkie by accident in the 1940s at SMU, and at age 83 said he could only do one with the assistance of "a crane and piano wire"?

Created by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 03:53, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Barryville–Shohola Bridge

Created by Mitchazenia (talk). Self nom at 00:24, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

  • Length and date verified. I could not verify the hook as there is no place in the article that says the first three spans were built by the same person. Also, why is that unusual? —Mattisse (Talk) 01:22, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
Its spread through the "First Two Spans" and "The Third Span" as it lists Chauncey Thomas (d. 1882) having done the first three in one way or another. Also, does it always happen when the same person has to build and rebuild the same bridge three times?Mitch32 09:48, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
  • This bridge has had to be built five times once in 1854, once in 1859, once in 1866, once in 1941, and once in 2007. There's only one span, and its the same bridge.Mitch32 09:59, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Dave Cottle

Created by Strikehold (talk). Self nom at 23:04, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

Discrete Mathematics (journal)

Created by Igorpak (talk). Self nom at 21:17, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

Judah Leib Fishman-Maimon

Created by S h i v a (Visnu) (talk). Self nom at 21:08, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

Rock of Israel

Created by S h i v a (Visnu) (talk). Self nom at 20:12, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

Julien's Auctions

Created by Pyrrhus16 (talk). Self nom at 19:03, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

Fromm Institute for Lifelong Learning, Osher Lifelong Learning Institutes

Created by Dwalls (talk). Self nom at 18:59, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

Gang Garrison 2

Created by Zxcvbnm (talk). Self nom at 17:47, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

How about:
ALT1:... that the indie video game Gang Garrison 2 was developed as part of a competition to create "retro" versions of modern games?
ALT2:... that the indie video game Gang Garrison 2 became so popular that another developer decompiled the source code? (not entirely sure about this one, since I don't know exactly WHO. I would surmise that it was without permission, though, at least at the time.)

or, something that doesn't sound so promotional:

ALT3:... that the indie video game Gang Garrison 2 adapts the FPS Team Fortress 2 into a 2D shooter game with 8-bit graphics?

I would prefer that #3 be used as the most interesting fact is clearly that it turned another game into 2D. --ZXCVBNM (TALK) 19:50, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

ALT3 is probably the best. The main problem with the original hook was "complete with...", which is promotion-speak, but ALT3 has removed that. rʨanaɢ /contribs 20:17, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

Trinity Episcopal Church (Columbia, South Carolina)

File:TrinityEpiscopalChurch.jpg

Created by KudzuVine (talk). Self nom at 16:31, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

Reduced relative clause

The garden path effect for the sentence "the florist sent the flowers..."

Created by Rjanag (talk). Self nom at 16:22, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

  • Comment: The image wouldn't show up well at 100x100px (although it might still encourage people to click on it and get a better look). I'm assuming we probably won't be able to use it, but if anyone does think it would be ok to use, let me know so I can put in a request at WP:GL/I to have it vectorized.rʨanaɢ /contribs 16:22, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

Double-dead meat

  • ... that double-dead meat came from hogs that already died of disease and is sold for human consumption?

Created by Kguirnela (talk). Nominated by Lenticel (talk) at 11:40, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

  • Is this something specific to the Phillipines? It seems like something that would be more widespread; most of the refs for the article are individual news stories, so I can't tell if it's a problem that's bigger in the Phillipines than in other parts of the world, or anything like that. rʨanaɢ /contribs 17:42, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
  • BTW, I changed the credits for Lenticel from {{DYKnom}} to {{DYKmake}}, as Lenticel did a lot of work on the article. rʨanaɢ /contribs 17:44, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
So far I can only verify that this is only found in the Philippines (even if it is disgusting). I pulled up this entry from Meat International. The definition is used only in the Philippines for at least during 1996 according to this cited dictionary entry. I searched both Google books and google scholar but there are no instances that they are used outside the Philippines (though "hot meat" seems to be used in the porn industry :P). Google news gives the same news articles that I pulled out earlier. --Lenticel 22:18, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
  • Yeah, judging from that dictionary source, it does seem to be a Phillipines thing...while I'm sure it happens in other countries, it seems the Phillipines is the only place where it's the subject of a lot of attention. So the article is fine, I would just suggest a rewording of the hook:
I'm okay with the re-wording. It flows better than the original.--Lenticel 16:03, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
ALT1 verified, length and history good. rʨanaɢ /contribs 16:52, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Dadabhai Naoroji Road (D.N.Road); Flora Fountain

Created/expanded by Nvvchar (talk). Self nom at 04:21, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

  • I was not aware of this since I had used this web site in the past. Thank you for the information and also for evaluating the above two artciles. I have removed the objectionable references, introduced two new ones and also reordered the references. I hope it meets the requirements. --Nvvchar (talk) 12:44, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Laugh-Out-Loud Cats

Laugh-Out-Loud Cats #736

Created/expanded by Ragesoss (talk). Self nom at 03:39, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

Ero e Leandro

Created/expanded by Shoemaker's Holiday (talk). Self nom at 02:00, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

  • This isn't a great article, of course, but I think it's pretty decent for a new one, with a fair bit of decently-cited information. It does needs more background, and a fuller plot summary if it's going to go beyond here, though. Unfortunately, the cited fact - that it was first published in 1999 - means that information is a bit more difficult to get. You'll note I used ten sources, and it's still pretty short - and that was with extracting pretty much all the information available from them. Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 02:50, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
Article mentions the composition of the opera in 1707, but not its performance. Was it indeed performed? Awadewit (talk) 19:34, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
...Now that's an interesting one. The short answer is that this period of Handel's life is very poorly documented, but all evidences says it was composed for private performance at Ottobini's shortly after its composition. Unfortunately, that would be synthesis on my part. Perhaps a different hook would be better:
Alternatively, we could simply sidestep the issue:
Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 00:27, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
Length and history verified; offline source accepted in good faith. I prefer the last hook. Awadewit (talk) 17:57, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on March 14

Hrach Bartikyan

Golden Ticket (The Office)

  • ... that the Golden Ticket episode of U.S. version of The Office was watched by 7.7 million viewers, tying with Grey's Anatomy for number one among the broadcast networks in adults 18–34?

Created by Hgporto (talk). Nominated by Hunter Kahn (talk) at 03:59, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Dartmouth Big Green football

Created by Strikehold (talk). Self nom at 00:28, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Eardley Norton

Created/expanded by Ravichandar84 (talk). Self nom at 18:18, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Faith Lutheran College, Redlands

5x expanded by mattopaedia (talk). Self nom at 03:33, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

  • Length (5x expansion) and date verified. Hook in article needs a reference citation after it. I tried to download the PDF file referenced at the end of the paragraph, but my browser froze. —Mattisse (Talk) 22:13, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
Moved the reference to the end of the hook. The PDF is 25MB, so you may need to be patient downloading it! Mattopaedia 04:16, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Cyclone Joni (2009)

  • ... that the name Joni was retired, after its previous use?

Created by Jason Rees (talk). Self nom at 02:35, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Forgive me im not quite sure what the issue is as pages 28 -30 of that document does verify, that the name was used in and retired after the 1992-93 South Pacific Cyclone season. Also 1992 and 1993 PTS will not mention a Cyclone Joni as its not relevant to their articles, however it is relevant to the 1990–1995 Southern Hemisphere tropical cyclone seasons and has a section Also 1997-98 SPAC does not mention a Cyclone Joni as the name was not used in that year Jason Rees (talk) 21:25, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

P. Thanulinga Nadar

Created/expanded by Ravichandar84 (talk). Self nom at 16:12, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

First Battle of Târgu Frumos

  • ... that the German Grossdeutschland division situated at 50 miles (80 km) east of Târgu Frumos, had repelled three Soviet divisions and recaptured the town in just 48 hours after receiving its initial order?

Created by Eurocopter (talk). Self nom at 09:26, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

Eddie Dean

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 09:26, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

Little skate

  • ... that the little skate (pictured) pushes itself along the sea floor using a pair of leg-like fin lobes, a mode of locomotion known as "punting"?

Created by Yzx (talk). Self nom at 04:12, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

Diagram might be better for main page pic. —Mattisse (Talk) 02:50, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
Little skate
Little skate

Steve Bernard

  • ... that insurance money received after a car crashed through his store's window helped Steve Bernard and his Cape Cod Potato Chips company make it through a difficult winter, after which business took off?

5x expanded by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 01:04, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

  • Length, date and source verified. Source says, "The publicity from the accident — and an insurance settlement — sustained the company until summer." Could you modify the hook so that it does not give an inaccurate impression? —Mattisse (Talk) 01:56, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
  • Length, date and source verified. The alt hooks are accurate. —Mattisse (Talk) 18:47, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

King Solomon's Dome

Created by JKBrooks85 (talk). Self nom at 23:58, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

R23X class airship

Created/expanded by Red Sunset (talk). Self nom at 20:27, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

Sloat's Dam and Mill Pond

I wasn't sure where I was lengthwise, so I left "Rockland County" out. I'll put it back in. I would have said "upper Ramapo River" but that would be technically incorrect since Village of Monroe Historic District uses a picture of another old dam much further upriver. Daniel Case (talk) 16:15, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Battle of Barnet

15th century manuscript illustration of the Battle of Barnet

  • ... that that despite being one of the most important battles of the Wars of the Roses, the Battle of Barnet (pictured) had only one surviving chronicle based on an eyewitness account?

19th century lithograph of the Battle of Barnet

19th century illustration of Warwick's death as depicted in Shakespeare's Henry VI, Part 3, Act 5, Scene III

5x expanded by Jappalang (talk). Self nom at 15:31, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

  • Length (5x expansion) and date verified. Difficult to verify hooks. The writing is very complex with long sentences, and sometimes the footnote is at the end of a sentence containing many elements. A reader must read the entire article -- 29 kB (4903 words) -- to spot the hooks. Not clear how it is known that the one eye witness account was "biased" although the statement that it was biased is in the article. I believe that the hook info is probably sourced; it needs to be easily identified with the source clear, IMO.
  • Accenpt on good faith the book source for the first hook, with removal of "biased". —Mattisse (Talk) 17:03, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
  • I have no problems with removing the "biased"; however, in light of another source, I have to rephrase the suggestion; it was not the sole surviving eyewitness account but the only chronicle that was based on an eyewitness account. Jappalang (talk) 03:17, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
  • For the other ALTS, their sources are at the end of their grouped-statements. ALT1 should be sourced to "Warwick was fighting for a ruler he had dethroned but reinstated, and against another he had helped to seize the throne but later deposed." (Legacy) and sourced to Burne (1950), p. 108. ALT2 comes from "Their shouts of treason were taken up and spread quickly throughout the Lancastrian line, breaking it apart as men started to flee in anger, panic, and confusion. As the fog started to dissipate, Edward saw the Lancastrian centre in disarray and sent in his reserves, hastening its collapse." (Fighting in the mist) and cited from Haigh (1995), p. 122. For ALT3, its corresponding statement is "They pulled Warwick down, prised open his visor, and killed him with a stab through the side of his neck." (Post-battle), which should be sourced to Haigh (1995), p. 123. I will repeat the cites for the DYK selection. Apologies for not doing it before this. Jappalang (talk) 03:17, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

for all hooks - I prefer 2 myself. If a pic is used, only the top one is contemporary. Johnbod (talk) 21:44, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

Antelope Ground

Created by Daemonic Kangaroo (talk). Self nom at 07:08, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

:* ALT1 ... that the first known cricket match was played at Antelope Ground, Southampton, in 1839? (clear to me than figuring out the original hook) —Mattisse (Talk) 18:10, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
Sorry - the alternative hook is nonsense. The first known match at the Antelope Ground was in 1839. Cricket had been played elsewhere long before then. Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 18:40, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
OK. I crossed it out. Maybe some one else can come up with an interesting hook that will make sense to the general reader of the main page. This hook is obscure to most readers, including me and not interesting. —Mattisse (Talk) 18:45, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

Orion P. Howe

Created by Rlevse (talk). Self nom at 03:55, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

And Alt 3 works just as well, if not better. To whichever person puts this in the queue: Pick whatever you want. NuclearWarfare (Talk) 00:44, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
It's pointless mentioning the fact that he was a dentist as it isn't what he is notable for. Gatoclass (talk) 02:01, 18 March 2009 (UTC)


Tanna japonensis

female Tanna japonensis

Speaker iconHigashitakane Shinrin-koen (forest park), Kawasaki, Japan, August 1 2006

  • ... that Tanna japonensis (pictured), the Japanese cicada, makes a melancholy sound after sunset, when the temperature has dropped, or when it beomes cloudy?

Created by Chzz (talk). Self nom at 00:00, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Older nominations

Articles created/expanded on March 13

Pineapplefish

Created by Yzx (talk). Self nom at 03:43, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

  • Both hooks verified (offline refs accepted in good faith), length and history good. I prefer the original hook (although the ALT is also acceptable); I think this will get a lot of clicks if we put it as the lead hook. rʨanaɢ /contribs 06:32, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

Islamic Cultural Center of New York

The Islamic Cultural Center of New York

is the first mosque to be built in New York City? Created/expanded by Malik Shabazz (talk). Self nom at 20:34, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

Perhaps the hook should mention the year, as I was surprised it was this recently. ... that the Islamic Cultural Center of New York (pictured) was the first mosque built in New York City, opening in 1991? Grsz 23:57, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

That's a good suggestion. I would just move the date a little:
  • To be a little clearer, could we not add "purpose-built", as before there were many mosques in buildings not built as such (see NYT ref etc):

ALT ... that the Islamic Cultural Center of New York (pictured), which opened in 1991, was the first purpose-built mosque in New York City? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Johnbod (talk • contribs) 13:47, March 19, 2009 (UTC)

That works too, although it's less dramatic. ;-) — ] (] · ]) 17:17, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Great Onyx Cave

Created by Shoy (talk). Self nom at 18:35, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

Nation's Giant Hamburgers

  • ... that the current president and CEO of Nation's Giant Hamburgers, a northern California burger chain started working for the company as a janitor during high school in 1961?

Created by Troyster87 (talk). Created by NoContaronConMíAstucia (talk). Nominated by Goshagay (talk) at 04:00, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

  • And this is how sockpuppets get discovered. Troyster87 is an indef-banned sockpuppet of indef-banned Qrc2006 (aka Boomgaylove). This article was created on March 13, after the ban, by NoContaronConMíAstucia who has worked on little besides this article and the sort of SF Bay Area articles that Qrc2006/Boomgaylove can't help but edit. It was nominated, with his first and only edit!, by Goshagay who pulled the Troyster87 name out of apparent thin air. Clearly, this oft-banned editor is unfamiliar with Monty Python's "How Not To Be Seen" sketch. - Dravecky (talk) 05:36, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
  • Oh, the article? Length and dates check out but the hook fact is referenced to the company's official website. Probably okay in this case as the article itself seems sound. (Part of his pattern is quality editing with a new account before he goes off the rails.) - Dravecky (talk) 05:36, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
Why thank you Dravecky, I really try not to go "off the rails" although I take that as a compliment, I'm just a tad bit too impulsive, and can't let go that J Stalin thing, damnit i am going to give em a record contract or get him real press so i can blast his article into quality or get it featured. i really am trying to focus on the quality and not the crazyness. i would really like to get unblocked but quite honestly i cant remember the password to my original accounts (cholga, atacama, qrc2006) but i can easily avoid detection most of the time, if the issue to resolve it my "sockpuppetry" i admit it i guess. if someone else wants to nominate it i dont care about attribution just the dissemination of knowledge abour these delicious burgersGoshagay (talk) 06:46, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
I've corrected the credit template above, made a few edits to the article, and had both the creator and the nominator (who are the same person) blocked as sockpuppets. Still, it's a decent enough article, backed by good references, as the work should be respected even if the editor is not to be. (The only sockpuppets I like are on Sifl and Olly.) - Dravecky (talk) 16:59, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

S. Srinivasa Iyengar

Created/expanded by Ravichandar84 (talk). Self nom at 02:23, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

  • Sorry to hear that, but our prose-only and 5x rules are consistently enforced and explained, even though I've criticized the prose-only rule. The previously-written K1 may help explain it. Of course you are welcome to expand the article, or to write a genuinely new article. Art LaPella (talk) 05:58, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
  • Thank you. Actually, that counter counts characters but it doesn't distinguish prose, as defined by our Glossary, from non-prose. When counted as described here, the expansion is from 3265 to 15,263, which is 4.67x prose expansion. Occasionally 4.67x expansion is accepted, but not always (as my user page explains, accepting is done by others.) Art LaPella (talk) 15:36, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Medway Maritime Hospital

Created by User:SilkTork (talk). Self nom at 12:42, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Rogue River Ranch

Created by Orygun (talk). Self nom at 16:32, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

  • Length and date verified. Hook source accepted on good faith, as it is temporarily unaccessible. Hook is not a very interesting fact. Is there not an "interesting" fact in the article? —Mattisse (Talk) 00:23, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
  • That's great. I struck out the "for" in you new hook, as I think it gives the wrong meaning. I am unable to verify the hook, as I cannot reach either of the footnoted reference cites at this time. Also, you need to put a reference right after the sentence that has the hook, even if it is a repetition of a reference at the end of the paragraph. —Mattisse (Talk) 00:11, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Ahmad Salama Mabruk
The first one is out of order, but the second one is all there. Sherurcij 04:37, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Sir Thomas Peniston

Created by Rjm at sleepers (talk). Self nom at 07:27, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

  • Length and date verified. My problem with the hook is that although he received "£50 per year as a member of the retinue" and his wife Martha later became the Earl's mistress, it is not clear from the article how these two events were related. —Mattisse (Talk) 00:15, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
Apart from the fact that the Earl presumably got to know her because she was the wife of of one of his retainers, I don't think these two events are related. I didn't intend the hook to imply this. How about "... that the 17th century baronet Sir Thomas Peniston received £50 per year as a member of the retinue of Richard Sackville, 3rd Earl of Dorset at the same time that his wife, Martha, was the Earl's mistress?" I'll take a look at the article text to see if this can be made clearer. Rjm at sleepers (talk) 07:17, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Jelgava Palace

Created by Wikiolap (talk). Self nom at 04:00, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

  • Length and date and source for hook verified if this statement means there were 21 sacophagi: "The Duke Wilhelm’s wife Sophie who died in 1610 also had been buried in Kuldīga castle church was completed; there was a cellar beneath it for the Dukes’ sarcophagi. The cellar premise was about 9 m wide, with a free passage in the middle and covered by a barrel vault. In 1587, the Duke Gotthard was the first to be buried there; 24 members of the Kettler family were buried until 1737." —Mattisse (Talk) 00:24, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
  • Your article says "Of a special historical interest, there is the burial vault of the Dukes of Curland in the south-east basement. It contains 30 buried members of Kettler family - 21 Sarcophagus and 9 wodden coffins. The burials were made from 1569 to 1791." Who are the Kettler family? Perhaps you could come up with a better hook? —Mattisse (Talk) 00:33, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Henry Cronin

Jon Stewart's 2009 controversy with CNBC

Created by Wikipedical (talk). Self nom at 21:21, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

This hook does not have an inline citation in the article. Cheers! Scapler (talk) 21:53, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

Amlaíb mac Sitriuc

  • ... that in 1029, the ransom of the Hiberno-Norse prince Amlaíb mac Sitriuc included over 1200 cows, 140 horses, 60 ounces of gold and of silver, "the sword of Carlus" and a large number of Irish hostages?

Created by Grimhelm (talk). Self nom at 19:45, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

Date stone beetle

  • ... that an unfertilized female date stone beetle will have sex with her first son to reach maturity, and then will eat him?

Created by AxelBoldt (talk). Self nom at 18:18, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

  • Length and date verified. Hook source verified that female mates with a son; a "first son" implies the first son of the original male generation. Perhaps what is meant is that she mates with a first-generation son; then mates with a grandson to produce daughters. "Mated females produced males and females, whereas unmated females gave rise to males only." The phrase "to reach maturity" must mean attaining the ability to have male and female offspring. The information that female eats the sons can be accepted on good faith from book sources. —Mattisse (Talk) 21:09, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
  • My formulation is probably unclear. She has sex with the first son that reaches maturity, i.e. with the son that reaches maturity first; she doesn't have sex in order to reach maturity. Maybe it's better to simplify thusly:
... that a virgin female date stone beetle will have sex with her first son, only to eat him afterwards? AxelBoldt (talk) 23:41, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

Nixon's Last Press Conference

Created by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 16:37, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

Everyone's on a Nixon kick today.--Wehwalt (talk) 17:25, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
You deserve a big part of the blame. Besides, it's that much more challenging to kick Dick Nixon around, especially now that he's dead. Alansohn (talk) 19:06, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
I explained to you it is really your fault for being asleep at the switch on Zetterberg and leaving it to me to write his article, which got me into the whole Nixon thing!--Wehwalt (talk) 11:57, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

Battle of Glenmama

5x expanded by Grimhelm (talk). Self nom at 13:35, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

  • It's in the third paragraph of the lede: "The battle resulted in the occupation of Dublin by Brian's Munster forces". The references appear in the first paragraph of the "Aftermath" section: "This crushing victory was followed up with an attack on the city of Dublin," a medieval account that states Dublin was occupied from Christmas to February and a 16th century source that "Dublin was only occupied for 'a full week' by Munster forces." The sources corroborating the hook are Donnchadh Ó Corráin, the Cogadh Gaedhel re Gallaibh and the Annals of the Four Masters.  :-) --Grimhelm (talk) 14:54, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
Wicklow Mountains
Wicklow Mountains

American Summit

Created by JKBrooks85 (talk). Self nom at 11:10, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

  • It hasn't, it's been called "one of the most remote" which is the typical sort of weasel wording when no one is sure exactly which is the most remote. - Mgm| 11:53, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

Laurelwood Academy

Created by Aboutmovies (talk). Self nom at 08:54, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

Comment Perhaps make it clear they moved outside the city?--Wehwalt (talk) 11:15, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
Done. Aboutmovies (talk) 08:01, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

New Jersey Route 158

5x expanded by Mitchazenia (talk). Self nom at 01:10, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

Even the largest U.S. states don't use four-digit numbers to designate touring routes (special routes and segment numbers are different, but those aren't used to identify the roads by the public). For a small state like New Jersey to have once done so is really unusual. Daniel Case (talk) 16:11, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on March 12

HMS Castor (1785)

Created by Benea (talk). Self nom at 01:20, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

"... that HMS Castor, a Royal Navy frigate..." would work a little better, I think. Shimgray | talk | 00:35, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

2008–09 Big Ten Conference men's basketball season

5x expanded by TonyTheTiger (talk). Self nom at 17:22, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

Li Jifu

Created by Nlu (talk). Self nom at 16:14, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

Association of Polish Artists and Designers

ZPAP Main Office
ZPAP Main Office

5x expanded by Poeticbent (talk). Self nom at at 05:01, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

Wu Yuanheng

Created by Nlu (talk). Self nom at 04:13, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

  • The same citation didn't immediately follow; there were numerous sentences, then a ref from a different source, then more stuff. It might be clear to you where all the different information came from, but it's not clear to us unless there is intuitive referencing. rʨanaɢ /contribs 16:49, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Lac de Monteynard Avignonet

Pedestrian bridge (passerelle) at Lac De Monteynard-Avignonet
Pedestrian bridge (passerelle) at Lac De Monteynard-Avignonet

Created by mbz1 (talk), Herbythyme (talk ,Una Smith (talk). Self nom at 00:18, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

  • "Himalayan design" is not defined in either article, nor given a reliable source. The claim that this bridge is unique for Europe also needs a source. --Una Smith (talk) 13:53, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
Thank you for taking your time to review the article, Una Smith. When I first read that a bridge over Drac was a Himalayan bridge, I myself tried to figure out what is a Himalayan bridge. I found out that Himalayan bridges are cable supported, and cable stayed suspended bridges with no foundation. I added page number to the Reference # 5. IMO Cable Supported, and Cable Stayed bridges Page 362". Indian Institution of bridge engineering is a reliable source. This design is unique for Europe. It is confirmed in the reference #4, that states "Des passerelles himalayennes uniques en Europe au dessus du lac de Monteynard". May I please ask you to let me know, if you believe that the source is not reliable, and I will provide few more because all sources that I found about the bridges specify that their design is unique for Europe. Thank you.--mbz1 (talk) 14:47, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

I think the usual name for this type of bridge in English is "rope bridge". The key feature is that it has only anchors, hence no towers or foundations. The source must be attached to the sentence supporting the claim made in the hook: so, copy ref 4 to the sentence about this being the only rope bridge in Europe. Is the claim true, or is it only true that this is claimed? I think the claim is not true because File:Rope Bridge 1a.JPG shows a rope bridge in England. See also Commons. Perhaps "Himalayan design" refers to something more specific than this? If so, it must be defined, with a source, in one of the articles linked in the hook. --Una Smith (talk) 16:45, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
Thank you for helping me to improve the article. According to Misplaced Pages suspension bridge is a type of bridge where the main load-bearing elements are hung from suspension cables, and a simple suspension bridge is an early bridge type and is still formed from native materials, chiefly rope, in some areas of South America. IMO the described bridge is neither rope bridge nor simple suspension bridge. One thousand two hundred meters of cables were used for these structures whose total weight is 60 tons, which can support a maximum loading of 800 people. The price was 1,5 million Euros. The bridge construction required 500 helicopters flights. This design is unique for Europe (I cannot imagine that all the sources got it wrong) All the sources call the bridges Himalayan.I do not think that "Himalayan" in French means "rope" in English :). Thank you.--mbz1 (talk) 18:40, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
Page 362 (which is at the moment available here does not refer to "Himalayan design" in any form (it refers to Himalayan obliquely). The title of the article is "Value Engineering and Cable Stayed Bridges" by S A Reddi. Tedickey (talk) 20:15, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
Thank you for your comment, Tedickey. May I please ask you, if you believe, if the hook is changed to "that the Himalayan stile, of the bridge (pictured) at Lac de Monteynard Avignonet is unique for Europe, this will be sufficient enough?--mbz1 (talk) 22:24, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
I haven't yet seen a reliable source which presents the term "Himalayan style" (or design, etc). It seems that you're referring to some subcategory of cable stayed bridges which is not in common usage, and that needs some sources to see if it's widely-enough used. (If it's really "Himalayan", it's not "unique" to Europe) Tedickey (talk) 23:19, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
Thank you, Tedickey. As I mentioned earlier practically all sources that I found about the bridges call them Himalayan and unique for Europe. Let's say that I provided no source to describe what Himalayan design of the bridges is, but I did provide quite a few sources that call the bridges Himalayan and unique for Europe. May I please ask you, if it could be established that the bridges are Himalayan (whatever it means) and are unique for Europe?--mbz1 (talk) 23:36, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
Issue 1: The sources I found all state that someone else says the bridges are unique, but not what is unique about them. I have the impression the "unique" theme may have come from a press release. Unique is puffery; why unique is encyclopedic. Issue 2: Although "Himalayan" might be what this type of bridge is called in French, it isn't the usual term for it in English. How about changing the hook?
ALT1 ... that Lac de Monteynard Avignonet, a lake in the French Alps, has a 220 meter long, 85 meter high simple suspension bridge (pictured) for non-motorized use? (I count 153160 chars.) --Una Smith (talk) 00:09, 18 March 2009 (UTC) (Linked more relevant article.) --Una Smith (talk) 03:56, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
Agree and thank you very much for helping me with the article and the nomination!--mbz1 (talk) 00:18, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
Agree - both links are a form of advertising (promotional content, e.g., for tourism). I wouldn't rely on their notion of "uniqueness". In that regard, "Himalayan" probably is used because it helps with the comment that it is unique (and recently introduced from some exotic location). There are examples of cable stayed bridges all around the world, and lacking a precise definition, it's hard to say which bridges one would compare this one to. Tedickey (talk) 00:23, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

So, if we all agreed with Alt1 can somebody change the status of the nomination please? Thank you.--mbz1 (talk) 00:49, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

The length and height claims in ALT1 need sourcing. --Una Smith (talk) 01:18, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
Done. Thank you.--mbz1 (talk) 02:42, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
Welcome! I think the ALT1 hook now is properly sourced. --Una Smith (talk) 03:56, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
Late to the "party" - sorry. Bridge is for pedestrian traffic only. Thanks --Herby 11:54, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Tom Coughlin Jay Fund Foundation

Created by Mgreason (talk). Self nom at 15:14, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

4th British Academy Video Games Awards

Created/expanded by BigHairRef (talk). Self nom at 14:02, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

The admins considering this should be aware of this article which was created and nominated yesterday. BigHairRef | Talk 14:07, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Eagle Summit (Alaska)

Created by JKBrooks85 (talk). Self nom at 11:53, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

  • The hook isn't true, and it isn't what the reference says. The reference says Eagle Summit gets midnight sun because when the sun is near the horizon, it appears a couple degrees higher than where it really is, due to the phenomenon described at atmospheric refraction. It doesn't say it's rare and it doesn't mention the Antarctic Circle. Atmospheric refraction should bring the image of the sun above the horizon, anywhere within a couple degrees of the Arctic or Antarctic Circles if there are no mountains blocking the horizon. Midnight sun should therefore be especially un-rare a couple degrees north of the Antarctic Circle, because (excluding the Antarctic Peninsula) that latitude is in the ocean, with nothing blocking the horizon at all. Art LaPella (talk) 02:14, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
  • Fair enough. How about:

Indian Love Call

Created/expanded by Boston (talk). Self nom at 09:40, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Ralph Mercado

  • ... that salsa music promoter Ralph Mercado got his start with "waistline parties", live music events where women paid based on their waist size (thinner women paid less) and Mercado measuring at the door?

Created by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 04:57, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Locust Grove (Dillwyn, Virginia)

*... that excavations at Locust Grove in 1987 revealed the grave of an infant in the kitchen garden? (self-nom) --User:AlbertHerring 04:44, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

I'm running a bit behind, so I'll do the infobox tomorrow; I also have images for it. I would like, if possible, to request that this DYK run on March 15, as that's Peter Francisco Day in the Commonwealth of Virginia. --User:AlbertHerring 04:44, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
Image added. --User:AlbertHerring 06:18, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

Eastern Bloc information dissemination

Created by Mosedschurte (talk). Nominated by Piotrus (talk) at 02:08, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on March 11

Just David

Created/expanded by User:Kalliopethemuse (talk), User:Drmies (talk), and User:Collectonian (talk). Nominated by Drmies (talk) at 03:11, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

B. Reith

  • ... that Christian musician TobyMac pulled his car over to the side of the road when he first heard and discovered hip hop artist B. Reith's music?

Created/expanded by JamieS93 (talk). Self nom at 23:03, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

Sloat House, Old Sloatsburg Cemetery

Gable Mansion

  • ... that the Gable Mansion is one of the last Victorian Italianate mansions of its style, size, and proportion in California?

Created by Killiondude (talk). Self nom at 23:18, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Battle of Lalakaon

  • ... that in the Battle of Lalakaon in 863 AD, three Byzantine armies, marching from different directions, managed to converge on time and surround an Arab army?

5x expanded by Cplakidas (talk). Self nom at 09:47, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Darby Hinton

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 22:29 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Dracula fish

  • ... that the recently discovered dracula fish lost its teeth then re-evolved a set of bony fangs from its jawbone?

Created/expanded by Sillyfolkboy (talk). Self nom at 21:58, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

::* This article incorrectly quotes the source, and when I corrected it, I was reverted. —Mattisse (Talk) 01:45, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

  • No problem. I've given it a little more expansion on description and diet. Would that count as a "start class" now? It still looks stubby to me but not in a bad way, it's certainly no two-line stub. Sillyfolkboy (talk) 02:18, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

The Forgotten Man: A New History of the Great Depression

Created by Bsimmons666 (talk), Kevinalewis (talk). Nominated by Bsimmons666 (talk) at 20:35, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

I would object to this as POV, given that Shlaes has credibly defended herself, and several other economists have criticized Krugman's attack as unfair. THF (talk) 23:16, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
If you say so. ALT2: ... that during the Senate confirmation hearing for Secretary of Energy Steven Chu, Republican Senator John Barrasso read a passage from The Forgotten Man: A New History of the Great Depression? Bsimmons666 (talk) 23:28, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Charles S. Lieber

  • ... that Charles S. Lieber found that baboons given a normal diet plus the equivalent of 25 ounces of alcohol daily for four years got cirrhosis, disproving dogma that malnutrition triggered the disease?

5x expanded by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 15:46, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

(alt)
(alt)
  • Length, dates, and reference are all okay but this entire article is hinged on a single source, the New York Times obituary. Surely a second (or third) source can be found for this gentleman's article. - Dravecky (talk) 17:47, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
  • An additional source was added, and I'm surprised that I hadn't added (at least one more) before. Should the absence of additional sources be an obstacle for DYK inclusion? Alansohn (talk) 20:29, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

5th British Academy Video Games Awards

Created by BigHairRef (talk). Self nom at 12:41, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Alternative hook ... that Nolan Bushnell, founder of both Atari, Inc and Chuck E. Cheese's Pizza-Time Theaters, was made a fellow of BAFTA at the 5th British Academy Video Games Awards? BigHairRef | Talk 17:43, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
2nd Alternate with two new articles ... that Grand Theft Auto IV failed to scoop an award despite leading the nominations at the 5th British Academy Video Games Awards replicating the "feat" managed by Gears of War after it also got six nominations and failed to win the year before? BigHairRef | Talk 13:10, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Porta-Color

  • ... that although the NTSC introduced color television standards in 1953, consumer purchases of color sets remained very slow until GE introduced their Porta-Color set in 1966, sparking off a rapid downward price trend in the late 1960s?

Created by Maury Markowitz (talk). Self nom at 12:16, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Suggestion ... that until GE introduced the Porta-Color set in 1966, due to high prices NTSC color televisions were consistently outsold by black and white? BigHairRef | Talk 16:28, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
Suggestion2 ... that before GE introduced the Porta-Color set in 1966, the higher priced NTSC color televisions were outsold by black and white? —Mattisse (Talk) 17:36, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
or even ... that before the GE Porta-Color TV in 1966, color televisions were outsold by black and white ones? Victuallers (talk) 17:40, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Ancistrochilus rothschildianus

Created/expanded by Boston (talk). Self nom at 04:53, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Doesn't that count as synthesis? DS (talk) 12:39, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
In this case, having worked with the material, I honestly don't think so, but I offer the first hook so we can move ahead without agonizing over it. --Boston (talk) 16:34, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
The image is copyrighted and not free, and therefore not eligible. Shubinator (talk) 22:00, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for noticing problem with picture. I thought the authorization "for any purposes" made it okay. --Boston (talk) 01:13, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
AFAIK, a copyrighted image is still copyrighted, no matter what the owner "authorizes" us to do. If they really want it to be usable for any purpose, they have to release it under GDFL, CC-BY-SA, or a comparable license, which they can do by e-mailing OTRS and specifying the license (or by e-mailing you, and then you would have to forward it to OTRS). rʨanaɢ /contribs 03:55, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on March 10

Triztán Vindtorn

Created by Oceanh (talk). Self nom at 12:36, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

  • Ooops.. it's his first name, as stated in the article. Thank you! (hook is modified). He also changed his surname, almost thirty years earlier, so ...
  • ALT1: ... that the Norwegian surrealist poet Triztán Vindtorn changed his first name into the name of his favorite pub, having already changed his surname before his literary debut 29 years earlier? (Oceanh (talk) 01:10, 17 March 2009 (UTC))

Charles E. Moore

Created by Moorec4 (talk). Nominated by Gatoclass (talk) at 06:31, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

  • While "137-ton" is not found in the article and must be struck before promotion, dates and length are fine and the reference is probably okay but I'd like a second pair of eyes to look it over. - Dravecky (talk) 17:43, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Allah Bux Soomro

Created/expanded by Ravichandar84 (talk). Self nom at 12:35, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Jan Lindblad

  • ... that Jan Lindblad, apart from being a writer, photographer, film maker, and artist, also kept two tiger cubs, named Lillan and Rani, in his residence?

Created by Hapsala (talk). Nominated by Decltype (talk) at 12:56, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, good suggestion. That's much better. decltype (talk) 23:18, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
I can't find a reference saying he was an artist (unless you mean whistling artist?). Also, the reference for the tigers says they were named Lilian and Rani. Shubinator (talk) 23:51, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
Whil the pets are unusual, it seems a little POVy to say "rather unusual". The fact they are unusual is already implied by their inclusion in DYK. —Anonymous Dissident 06:25, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
Yes, I was referring to the second paragraph (mainly the whistling). The spelling was inconsistent in the article itself as well. I still think Lillan is correct. I'll try to locate a source. decltype (talk) 09:57, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Jacob Sloat House

Cripple and the Starfish

Created/expanded by Boston (talk). Self nom at 21:19, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

  • Length and date verified. Need someone to access this web source for article to verify quality of source and quotation:

Unfriendly Fire

  • ... that military advisors responsible for the "Don't ask, don't tell" policy admitted in the book Unfriendly Fire that their suggestions were based on their own prejudices and fears, not empirical data?

Created by Hunter Kahn (talk). Self nom at 14:03, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

  • Article sources are questionable. A quote from the book is sourced to a TV show, The Rachel Maddow Show. Another part than seems to quote the book is source to an opinion piece by the book's author in the The Huffington Post and not to the book it purports to quote. The third source is to a video of The Daily Show (although I watched some of it but it was about CNBC, Obama, the British Prime Minister, and Hilary Clinton). Presumable the book Unfriendly Fire is a serious book. There are no reviews of the book from serious publications? Should not quotes that purport to be from the book actually reference the page of the book it is on? —Mattisse (Talk) 20:53, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
    • The source isn't the book, it's from a Huffington Post article written by Nathaniel Frank (the author) discussing the sources he talked to for his story. As for the Daily Show and MSNBC reports, those are actually one-on-one interviews with Frank; the quote isn't a quote from the book, but a quote from Frank himself in that interview. Obviously those kind of things are used as reliable sources in lots of articles; maybe I need to just fix the reference tags to clarify? --Hunter Kahn (talk) 01:27, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
      • Interviews with authors are not necessarily reliable sources all by themselves. The Huffington Post is an opinion blog. You need some reliable sources, like a New York Times book review, that is, some reliable third-party sources about the book. Otherwise, it is just this guy's opinion about his own book. All you have is his opinion in his book and his opinion about his book (and about his opinion) in an opinion piece on a blog. Please read reliable sources. Misplaced Pages is not a mouthpiece for any one person's opinion. —Mattisse (Talk) 23:34, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
        • The most you can say is the following (if you can prove that the "military advisers" used those words, which seems unlikely):
          • alt ... that, according to the author of the book Unfriendly Fire, military advisers responsible for the "Don't ask, don't tell" policy admitted that their suggestions were based on their own prejudices and fears, not empirical data?
            • Somehow, I can't feature "military advisers" saying, "My suggestions were based on my own prejudices and fears, not on empirical data." Or anything close to that. It would be interesting to know what they actually did say, that Frank construed that way. The book should have some book reviews where third parties weigh in on this issue. If reliable sources agree, then use their opinion so you will avoid undue weight. —Mattisse (Talk) 23:45, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
              • I'll look for alternative third party sources either tonight or tomorrow. (I doubt it's worth much, but Stewart and Maddow both said in the interview that this was the case described in the book. It wasn't all from Frank, although I would have thought his interview would be enough.) I'm also willing to consider a tamer hook, just so long as a DYK on the book goes through. For the record, it was said in these interviews that these advisors did flat out admit their suggestions were based on prejudices and fears, because so much time had passed they were willing to admit it. There is even an exact quote from one of them saying, it was "based on nothing. It wasn't empirical, it wasn't studied, it was completely visceral, intuitive." Unfortunately, I can only cite these sources on that, not the book itself since I don't have a copy. --Hunter Kahn (talk) 01:40, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
hook is linked to a dab page Victuallers (talk) 17:28, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
dab'ed. rʨanaɢ /contribs 17:43, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
  • Yes, that source is a third party evaluation. It would be good if you had more. When editors write articles on bands, comics, anything else, they give pro and con reviews—or at least a cross section of the reviews, even if most are positive, for example. It is basic to WP:NPOV. —Mattisse (Talk) 00:00, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
  • alt... that the 2009 book Unfriendly Fire argues that bans on gays in the military were based on prejudices and fears, not empirical data?
    • I've suggested an alternative, tamer source. I plan to add more from the new source in the future, as well as add additional third party sources, but since the clock is ticking on this one I wanted to get this out there right away. Let me know if this works. — Hunter Kahn (contribs) 02:33, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

Gorgoroth name dispute

Created by Dark Prime (talk). Nominated by DragonflySixtyseven (talk) at 15:00, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

He left the band, and then claimed that the others could not use the name any more. DS (talk) 02:06, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
Sort of like Roger Waters did to the other three members of Pink Floyd, IIRC. But in this case the hook is great because of the names (I can just imagine the poor clerk stuck reading the filings out loud in a courtroom ...). Daniel Case (talk) 15:34, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
King's brief departure from Gorgoroth in 2006 wasn't the direct cause of the name dispute, although it's implied the two were connected. He was readmitted into the band a while before the dispute began, in October 2007. The genre of music in question was also black metal, not death metal. Dark Prime (talk) 22:51, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on March 9

395th Infantry Regiment (United States)

  • ... that the inexperienced 395th Infantry Regiment defended its lines during the Battle of the Bulge so well it was later assigned to multiple divisions, earning it the nickname Butler's Blue Battlin' Bastards?

Created by btphelps (talk). Self nom at 06:43, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

  • You are correct, the full nickname is not documented in the article cited (which, however, does use the full nickname as its title), only the source of the 'bastards' reference. For the full explanation, you can refer to the citation I added, which I'll summarize:
Butler's: "for Lt. Col. (then Major) McClernand Butler..."
Battlin': "The 3rd Battalion had an outstanding battle record..."
Blue: "In the triangular organization of WWII infantry divisions, the code word for the ... 3rd Battalion... is Blue..."
Bastards: "...During much of their time in combat this battalion was separated from their parent organization the 99th Infantry Division... attached to the 9th Infantry Division... 3rd Armored Division... and all three combat commands of the 7th Armored Division"
(Ronningen, Thor (1993). Buttler's Battlin' Blue Bastards. Lawrenceville, Virginia: Brunswick Publishing Company. pp. vii)

Alternative:

-- btphelps 21:34, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Zheng Yin (Middle Tang)

  • ... that the Tang Dynasty official Zheng Yin opposed issuance of commissions for eunuch commandants on hemp paper, reasoning such use was reserved for commissions of imperial princes and chancellors?

Created by Nlu (talk). Self nom at 17:13, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Coke La Rock

5x expanded by Bigtimepeace (talk). Self nom at 20:34, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

  • Good point. I've wikilinked MC in the hook above and in the first sentence of the article which I think should be sufficient (I just wikilinked to the general article on Master of Ceremonies - there's a particular section on hip-hop and I could wikilink to that but the former seemed more advisable). Let me know if you see any other issues.--Bigtimepeace | talk | contribs 19:04, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
  • Looks fine. Of the various sources for this claim, some are books I can't access but I'll AGF and assume they say that stuff. I left some questions at the article talk page, but they're not enough to bar this from DYK. (I do hope, though, that they will be addressed soon anyway.) rʨanaɢ /contribs 20:10, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Peter Lundin

  • ... that Danish mass murderer Peter Lundin, who was convicted first for killing his mother then for killing his partner and her two sons, got married twice in prison?

5x expanded by Lilac Soul (talk). Self nom at 10:31, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Article doesn't state explicitly that he got married during his first prison term, in North Carolina (it just mentions that his wife came along with him to Denmark when he was deported). Daniel Case (talk) 14:12, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
The "Incarcerated marriage" section appears to say it, albeit somewhat awkwardly. Danish refs accepted in good faith, 5x expansion verified. Here is a shorter hook:
ALT1 ... that Danish mass murderer Peter Lundin got married twice while in prison? rʨanaɢ /contribs 20:03, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Rupert Peyton

new article Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 22:24, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

  • Article length and date verified. Article offline sources would be accepted on good faith, except there is no "References" section that gives the full publication data, including the ISBN's so that at least the existence of the books and topic can be verified. (The "References" in current article should be called "Notes" or "Footnotes" and the "References" should contain the full publication data.) —Mattisse (Talk) 01:18, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Only one source has an ISBN. It has been added.Billy Hathorn (talk) 23:08, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

We needed more cleanup than just adding the ISBNs, but oh well. This is the best we can reasonably expect the references to get; if this article went to GAN the reviewer would require you to clean up the references, but I presume this isn't going to GAN so whatever. Anyway, this is more or less verified now. rʨanaɢ /contribs 19:56, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Penetron

5x expanded by Maury Markowitz (talk). Self nom at 00:35, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Has been further expanded, another 2.4 k of prose. Maury Markowitz (talk) 21:33, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
  • I can't find a reference for never introduced (I can't find the statement in the article actually), and the reference for avionics says CRTs based on the Penetron were used from the 1960s to 1980s. Shubinator (talk) 05:58, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
There's a big difference between "television set" and "avionics use". Perhaps the word "commercial" is confusing? It's losable. Maury Markowitz (talk) 12:54, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Matteo Galvan

Created by Punkmorten (talk). Self nom at 23:06, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

The article doesn't say anything about Galvan's personal best, although I guess it is somewhat implied. Also, I am a runner and still find this hook a little dull, so I can't imagine what non-runners will think. Maybe we can say something along the lines of "Matteo Galvan's personal best time in the 400m was also the 3rd best in Europe for this season" bla bla bla... rʨanaɢ /contribs 16:30, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Wu Chongyin

  • ... that after the death of the Tang Dynasty general Wu Chongyin, more than 20 of his officers cut off flesh from their thighs and burned the flesh as sacrifice to him?

Created/expanded by Nlu (talk). Self nom at 05:52, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on March 8

Robert E. A. Lee

Created by Bongomatic. 5x expanded by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 17:50, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

I removed the credit. There was a general consensus against giving people credit for a tiny stub, and Alansohn as the nominator has not credited him. Gatoclass (talk) 14:46, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
Are you sure? I thought the consensus was against people who created a stub a long time ago, which someone has expanded just now. In this case, Bongomatic created the stub within the DYK period (just one day before Alansohn expanded it). rʨanaɢ /contribs 15:57, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
No, that wasn't the consensus at all. People who created stubs a long time ago have never been eligible under DYK rules, the question raised was only concerning new stubs less than five days old, and there was plenty of support for maintaining the principle that users have to make a substantial contribution, and not just write a two or three line stub, in order to qualify. I believe there was a general consensus in that regard, but if there is going to be ongoing disagreement about what constitutes a substantial contribution, this issue may have to go back to the discussion page. Gatoclass (talk) 03:16, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
Oh, that's fine; I　was just checking. You are right, in this case the two editors have obviously put different amounts of work into the article. rʨanaɢ /contribs 03:52, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Henry Wells (general)

Created by Abraham, B.S. (talk). Self nom at 06:45, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

  • I think it is important to state the position as there have been three varients of the head of the Australian military, the Chairman, Chiefs of Staff Committee being the first of the three but not holding the same amount of power as its successor positions. Cheers, Abraham, B.S. (talk) 21:15, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
  • Doesn't really matter how we word it, it's a boring hook either way. Is there an interesting little detail, weird anecdote, or anything else like that in the article? The hook doesn't necessarily have to be about the "main" thing in the article, it can be a random tidbit. This nomination is getting old, so we need to think of an interesting hook quickly. rʨanaɢ /contribs 20:52, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
  • I disagree. Adittedly, not everyone is going to flock to this DYK, but there are bound to be people like myself you would and do find this interesting. Please take into consideration that just because you find this hook boring doesn't mean everyone else will. Cheers, Abraham, B.S. (talk) 22:05, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
  • It's not a matter of whether the subject matter is interesting; it's just that hooks that only say "] was a ]" are almost always discouraged. It's possible to write interesting hooks about subjects that are boring; I'm not saying the topic of your article is boring, I'm saying the hooks that have been proposed are lackluster. In any case, there's no point in either of us arguing about what's boring and what's not, as we'll never change one another's minds; I was just asking if you could suggest anything else. rʨanaɢ /contribs 22:50, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
  • I've had a quick think, but there isn't really another hook I could think of that is short enough for DYK. Perhaps you could have a look at the article and see if you can think of something? Cheers, Abraham, B.S. (talk) 23:33, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
  • I skimmed through and I can't find much, other than emphasizing the "first"-ness of his position (as Victuallers' suggestion does). The only problem is, while the reference verifies that he was the first one, it doesn't say all the stuff about why he was the first (ie, how it had previously been an extension of someone else's duties, and Wells was the first to have it as its own job); as far as I can tell, that stuff is currently unreferenced.
  • Another concern is that much of the wording is very close to the wording in the Australian Dictionary of Biography. For example, the only other place where I checked, the wording in the article is almost word-for-word from ADB: article has "he presided over the deployment of Australian soldiers to the engagement as well as the formation of the first regular brigade group", source has "He presided over the deployment of Australian troops to Malaya during the Emergency and the creation of the first regular brigade group", which is almost exactly the same. I personally am not sure how much of an issue that is, but I know there are people who will be very upset if it goes to the main page in this condition; I'm not sure, though, if we have time left (for DYK at least) to do the amount of rewriting that would be required to remedy this. rʨanaɢ /contribs 23:53, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

(out-dent) The information one Wells' appointment to the position is referenced (Horner 2001, p. 43). Also, the areas where the article is close to the ADB is where I couldn't change the wording too much otherwise it would either be incorrect or dificult to understand. However, I believe each case has been sufficiently re-worded. Cheers, Abraham, B.S. (talk) 00:19, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but I don't agree; I think instances like the one I saw could be rewritten without changing the meaning. I think it's just a difference in our personal editing styles. Anyway, if you disagree, you can post at Misplaced Pages talk:Did you know to see if anyone else would like to assess this article. In any case, if we aren't able to reach an agreement in time for DYK, I think you have a good shot at at least getting a GA from this article. rʨanaɢ /contribs 19:48, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on March 7

Doris Abrahams, Kermit Bloomgarden

5x expanded by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 03:57, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

how about (ALT 2) "that Doris Abrahams and Kermit Bloomgarden produced Equus which was considered the best play in 1974? Victuallers (talk) 18:31, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
I disambiged Equus (play) in hook above. —Mattisse (Talk) 23:39, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
As much as I'm trying to like this hook, I can't. Two people produce a Tony Award-winning play? Hasn't that happened a few other times? Daniel Case (talk) 15:49, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, I can't find anything good to say about the intersection of these two. Should we just split it into two hooks? rʨanaɢ /contribs 20:47, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
Yes. The bit about Abrahams starting her career as a teenager is a hook in and of itself. I'm sure one can be found in the other article. Daniel Case (talk) 03:09, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

John Dyneley Prince

Created by Offenbach (talk). Nominated by Alansohn (talk) at 15:32, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

  • Now there's a hook. Length, date, and hook verified. Unfortunately, the prose often skirts far too closely to the sources; phrases and sentence structures are taken verbatim from the sources. BuddingJournalist 06:14, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
I reworded the relevant section and added some additional sourced information. Let me know if anything else needs editing. Offenbach (talk) 20:50, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
Did this need further revision or is it good to go? Offenbach (talk) 21:34, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
Please see A2. Art LaPella (talk) 22:19, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Special occasion holding area

Articles created/expanded for April Fool's Day 2009 (April 1)

Main page: Misplaced Pages:April Fool's Main Page/Did You Know

Please suggest hooks at Misplaced Pages:April Fool's Main Page/Did You Know, not here. Royalbroil 14:19, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded for Orthodox Easter (April 19)

Anastasios Christodoulou

Created by Jack1956 (talk). Self nom at 11:26, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Alt ... that Greek Cypriot academic Anastasios Christodoulou was named 'Anastasios' ('Resurrection') by his parents as he was born on Easter Day? Jack1956 (talk) 11:30, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

If we were going to use the 2nd hook might we save this article for Orthodox Easter 2009 (April 19)? --Boston (talk) 01:47, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
Let's. That's the only way it would become interesting enough ... I'm sure he's not the only Anastasios in the world who got that name from being born on Easter. Daniel Case (talk) 15:19, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

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