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A River runs through it

I think that section is getting to be a bit unwieldy. The article is close to 32 kb, with about 5.5 kb of it in that section. Little of it is referenced and it is turning into the list of death. I'd recommend using the focus we used on Charlie Manson or Lizzie Borden - use the most known as examples of how he's in popular culture. Wildhartlivie (talk) 04:28, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Well, you know my opinion on the matter, so if you need support on it, let me know. Meanwhile, I'm dealing with something I really don't care about - crap on a killer's page. Sheesh. Wildhartlivie (talk) 05:49, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Not nearly as much as I love Weekend Warriors. I had another issue early today, someone didn't appreciate my merging two disparate tables into one on a page (filmography table in the nice format with an awards table in what I think is an ugly format). I spent two hours this morning arguing over that, then I said chuck it. Wildhartlivie (talk) 06:19, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

The Foundations

I, for one, would fully agree with your comments about the state of the current article. You are right that the wording, and what should or should not be included, has been the subject of hot debate, and you may stir up a hornet's nest. However, the current article is a shambles (even allowing for your recent editing attempt). Be bold - I am certain we will end up with something that far exceeds the quality of the present situation. Very best wishes,

Derek R Bullamore (talk) 11:33, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Neven subotic

Hallo pinkdelica, please have a look at user 83.248.165.157 he has faked my reference Oct. the 8th article ==Neven Subotic==? Pls. see discussion. Mit freundlichen Grüßen --Speidelj (talk) 14:55, 22 October 2008 (UTC)Joschi Speidel

Michelle Pfeiffer

I've probably really annoyed someone, but... Someone who seems to have a huge thing for Pfeiffer added some things to the article, a multi-colored awards table, bolded out the won awards in the filmography, and rainbow hued the succession boxes. The awards table is totally redundant, it has nothing that isn't present in either the filmography, succession boxes or infobox awards. I worked it over, but I have some issues with the references he or she has added. The majority of them are from a fansite - http://www.pfeiffertheface.com/, which is used as the source for published articles that are available on the internet from their own publisher sites. That wouldn't be such an issue, except that the first thing I saw on the front page was a note that part of the material on the first page came from Misplaced Pages. I ran a search and this is how much Misplaced Pages is used on the site. How can it be reliably sourced if parts or all of it is circularly referenced? Then there is the POV. "She is considered one of the most beautiful women in the cinema, having appeared on the cover of the first People Magazine's '50 Most Beautiful People in the World' issue in 1990, and re-appearing a record six times during that decade, making the cover again in 1999." Yeah, but still, isn't that a bit of peacockery? There are cites from IMDB from the trivia page, and what's this "The Garbo of the Nineties" crap heading?? Let me know what you think. Wildhartlivie (talk) 06:41, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, that's what I thought too. I know it's gonna really P.O. the guy who did it, but those rainbow tables were annoying. The trouble with the fansite is that it's used to ref about a dozen things in the article. I'll work more on it tomorrow. Wildhartlivie (talk) 08:10, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Template for deletion

Hey, would you pop over to Misplaced Pages:Templates for deletion/Log/2008 October 23 and weigh in on the Mel Gibson template deletion? I nominated it because it only has 4 films on it, all of which are on the other Mel Gibson template. It's redundant. (I love that word.) Thanks. Wildhartlivie (talk) 08:24, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! Wildhartlivie (talk) 08:52, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Holly Madison

Hey, thanks for the comment on my talk page. Nice work with the filmography chart and vandal-watch. :) Queer Scout (talk) 01:10, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

Thank you...

... for reverting the vandalism to my User page. — ] (] · ]) 04:46, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Help against Misplaced Pages admin

User:Arbiteroftruth has labelled me a sockpuppet. I do not know clearly what it is, but I'm innocent. I reverted his edits but he, or she, i do not know, has reverted them back. Please take charge in this.--SickManBay (talk) 07:14, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

This user has been acting like a sockpuppet of User:ColourWolf, in that he edited solely on Singaporean contents and he disrupted an SSP proceeding (ColourWolf's socks have done both.) If he is not a vandal, the system will prove his innocence. Right now, the user above has passed the Duck Test. Arbiteroftruth (talk) 07:18, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! Arbiteroftruth (talk) 07:23, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Diamond's aren't necessarily a girl's best friend

Oh, but I know. That's what made me do it. I didn't make a change that wasn't appropriate!! Copyright violations and deadlinks, ah well. I can't resist. Wildhartlivie (talk) 17:07, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

My impending banishment from Misplaced Pages

Good to know (and good for a laugh). Thanks. There's been some inertia in improving that page, so the sock/troll probably came at a good time. --Mosmof (talk) 02:27, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

WP:GAR review of Tina Turner

Tina Turner has been nominated for a good article reassessment. Articles are typically reviewed for one week. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to good article quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status will be removed from the article. Reviewers' concerns are here. Can you believe I went to all the trouble to do this? When I saw what shape this "good article" was in, I nearly croaked. Wildhartlivie (talk) 07:42, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Bryant

Dump her. Wildhartlivie (talk) 04:33, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

New stuff

Would you mind looking over Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/American Academy Award Winners for Best Actor and Misplaced Pages:Categories for discussion/Log/2008 October 28#Category:American Academy Award Winners for Best Actor and weighing in with your opinion? I'm really confused by the reasoning being used here and the obvious mixing up of Best Actor/Best Supporting Actor with no explanation of why they are lumped. I think the article is redundant and unnecessary and the category is over-classification. Thanks. Wildhartlivie (talk) 21:47, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Oh hell, it's worse than that. The page is a combination of best actor and best supporting actor (Robin Williams won supporting). I found it after the guy who created it started posting those templates for American Academy Award Winners for Best Actor all over the pages I have watchlisted. It's a nightmare. Wildhartlivie (talk) 06:16, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Holly Valance

I understand what you're saying but due to the fact that it's a blog in which she writes in the webpage doesn't appear valid when I want to add it as a citation. Either way that's no reason to continuously delete this factual information. Being that you've continued to update the Holly Valance page, why don't you look up the page and see for yourself that the information is correct. --Klutzulmaniack (talk) 02:21, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

re: Tina

You're a braver man than I am, Gunga Din. I was so very tempted to just revert the whole thing back to about 3 months ago. All of those lists of what rank a song or album reached in a dozen countries can just go. There's no sourcing for any of that. Wildhartlivie (talk) 07:07, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Come up and...

I know, while I can't particularly fault the photo and intent, it was a scary presentation as entered. Don't fret too much over Tina, someone has been working quite hard on it and seems to be making some headway. More power to him. There is someone whose work you may want to keep an eye on. There's been problems (what's new) on the Claudette Colbert page and it seems to be rippling. The person doesn't/won't discuss things and so far, Ed Fitzgerald, Rossrs and I have all had issues with what's going on. Good luck! Wildhartlivie (talk) 02:45, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Help

Would you please take a look at the difference in sections of what I edited the section to say vs. what this guy is insisting that it says here and then weigh in on the talk page. I'm losing my cool on this. Wildhartlivie (talk) 09:52, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Thank you!

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Just wanted to stop by to thank you for your help with making a 2nd Nature article! Cheers!

You're very welcome for the cookie! Hope it was good (lol). If you'd like, you can go see the 2nd Nature (band) page that i created... I'd say it's pretty nice! Tell me what you think about it, if you'd like! Mr. Old-Skool (talk) 16:29, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Aw, thanks a bunch... again, lol. Well, their one and only album, What Comes Natural, is quite good. If you don't already have it, I highly recommend you get it. You know what another good group is? Subway. Just discovered them and they're fantastic. Just thought I'd mention that :) Mr. Old-Skool (talk) 18:19, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Alec Baldwin

Thanks for weighing in, you're very authoritative. I felt like I was being chastised. The guy has a bias against Basinger and apparently thinks Baldwin is a hero. That may be fine, but his writing reflects it. Wildhartlivie (talk) 22:52, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

None so far. I finally bullied him into moderating what was said, reported him for 3RR, he was blocked and hasn't returned and I tried to neutralize the last version he left. He pissed me off to a large degree and I'm afraid I was a bit incivil, but I don't care. I'm not that great a fan of either Baldwin or Basinger, but geez, it wasn't a book review. I love it when people don't read what you're telling them, then accuse you of bias. My aunt used to say "The fox is the finder, the stink lays behind her." That was usually referring to farts, but the gist is the same. You might take a look and see what you think now. Wildhartlivie (talk) 01:08, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Here's the real skinny on it. They had a hugely tumultuous marriage. Each of them was as nasty as the other. He accused her of being mentally ill (she has phobias). She accused him of cruelty and being abusive. I think the tape to the daughter kind of reinforced that a bit. In any case, all their dirty laundry was publicly aired. Then he wrote this book, I think mostly trying to ameliorate his public image after the nasty voice message thing. Some things just won't die. Wildhartlivie (talk) 01:29, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

I agree wholeheartedly on both points - funny as hell and likely insufferable. Wildhartlivie (talk) 01:40, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks

And thanks for returning the favour :). \ / (⁂) 07:05, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Films October 2008 Newsletter

The October 2008 issue of the Films WikiProject newsletter has been published. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. If you have suggestions or comments related to the newsletter, please leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you and happy editing! Nehrams2020 (talk) 09:10, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Hayden Panettiere filmography

Why in the **** would someone slap a merge suggestion on this then change it over to this, which just slaps in the IMDB filmography, as it exists????? WTF?????? Wildhartlivie (talk) 18:45, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

I just came upon it by accident. I replace the filmography in the main article with the lovely tabled one and nominated the separate page for deletion. Go ahead. Vote delete. Wildhartlivie (talk) 19:31, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Sofia

After having pissed off dougweller when I spouted off being pissed about "edit warring", I posted this (try this one instead) about the alleged birth certificate. Wildhartlivie (talk) 23:03, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Kylie

Hi there. I've commented, and I hope that video referencing is not the way of the future. I can't think of a more tedious way of fact-checking. In this case, the fact is confirmed within the first two seconds of the video, although I don't really see the point. Will Kylie say "yes" to Justin?  :-) Rossrs (talk) 07:34, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Just drumming up what may be needed back up. I ran across this, this, and this. The editor added expatriate categories to those three articles based on the logic that they stayed in New Zealand while filming Lord of the Rings. I removed the categories and he quickly reverted two of them, saying Oh dear, we are protective, aren't we?. I went to leave a note on his talk page, only to see he's a contentious edit warrior. I reverted his reversions and noted that they are no longer there, even if they were expatriates at the time, they aren't there now. You might watchlist those three pages to be on alert for this silliness. Wildhartlivie (talk) 07:47, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Mae West

how does this add to the article? Wildhartlivie (talk) 02:48, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Request for comment

Hi. I've opened a request for comment on Talk:Cate Blanchett#Are actors who worked on location in another country other than residence considered expatriates? It's fairly self-explanatory, I think. I'd welcome your input. I'll just say that based on perusing the editor's talk page, I felt like this was a better approach than trying to discuss it, and partly since he's not bothered to respond to my note about it. Thanks. Wildhartlivie (talk) 04:26, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Well, I won't address the new West image at this point. I'll back you up on removing whatever you think is necessary. Thanks for your comment, I am surprised at how quickly people have commented on it. I knew it would turn out the way it is headed, I just didn't want to battle. Did you see the guy's talk page? That crap stresses me out, so I decided a consensus was a better way to go. Administrators tend to support consensus. BTW, the OTRS guy didn't respond to my note on his page. Take a wikibreak. I've not done a lot the last few days, so I suppose mine is a partial mini-wikibreak. Wildhartlivie (talk) 05:22, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Mickey Rooney

Thanks for your response on the Cate Blanchett issue. Rossrs and I have been trying to discuss an issue located at Talk:Mickey Rooney#Born-again Christian, homophobe?. We'd both like your perspective on the newest issue this week. Thanks! Wildhartlivie (talk) 02:39, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Trivia section in question

Hi. Apparently I've rubbed someone the wrong way when I removed a newly started trivia section in this article. Or maybe it was that I was super annoyed that someone started it, and worded my hidden note too strongly. In any event, he's raised the issue on the talk page, and I've responded. Would you please look at the discussion at Talk:Susan Atkins#Pop culture reference and (hopefully) support my opinion? Thanks! Wildhartlivie (talk) 22:21, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Lions in Winter

Welllll, I removed the infobox, that is not the proper usage of it, it is for awards ceremonies, so I'll probably piss someone off. It's a little suspect, seeing that the image used was the nomination announcement that the nominated person receives. Wonder who provided that? Lots of things I see:

• it makes it sound like he was in the West Side Story film because he was the youngest cast member of the stage production.
• "Winters taught dance to world famous actors."
• "Winters was nominated for a Special Achievement in Choreography Emmy in 1967, which was unusual, in that choreography was not a category that year."
• That show is sometimes considered to have launched the music video as a promotional device. In any case, former Monkee Michael Nesmith went on to be a pioneer in American music videos.
• "Now seen as a classic '70s timepiece," by whom?
• "Winters' 1986 film Thrashin' remains a seminal piece of work in the board sport industry two decades after its initial release." The source says "The Grind appears to be following in the questionable steps of Hollywood’s previous interpretations of skateboarders in legendary 80s films Thrashin’ and Gleaming The Cube." Does that support that they are seminal? Questionable steps makes it sound more like the films weren't seminal.
• "In 1978, in a jam-packed Universal Amphitheatre (now the Gibson Amphitheatre), fans of Diana Ross, were treated to a concert spectacular, conceived and executed by Winters."
• "the Thrashin' Incident." What Thrashin' Incident?

Finally, why are parts of the notoriety section bolded? Yeah, you're right. If this is the improvement, I'm not gonna look at the original!!! Wildhartlivie (talk) 06:15, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, actually, you do come up with some real winners. I just get into fights. Wildhartlivie (talk) 07:07, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

1001 Kudos

re: David Winters (choreographer)

It was the first article I birthed, and was beginning to feel I was the only one that ever looked at it. It got challenged early on as a non notable person, which is why I went overboard with the citations and obscure details. Your edits make the whole thing read so much easier. Liek most people, I have difficulty editing my own writing. Without the little red underlines in firefox, the only way for me to proofread for spelling, is the Hebrew way (right to left bottom to top). I see you are a MSTy, I have had drinks with Mike Nelson, way before the show started. In an odd triangle, he was the best friend of the new boyfriend of my ex girlfriend that I remained friends with. And as a potentially awkward foursome, we would go out. I have also started corresponding with Winters after I started the article, and quizzed him about Space Mutiny. He would like to disavow any knowledge of its existence, and claims the directing credit as contractual, and he fought to get his name removed, since he never was on set. He did however write the thing under the name Maria Dante.

You could probably make a Wiki Career following me around, since everything you adjusted in this one, is probably present in my other babies. I think I have rid my self of gratuitous capitalization *fingers crossed* --K3vin (talk) 05:15, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

The Wae West

I'll take a look. Did you see the message above yours? WTF? Needless to say, it hit me the wrong way and I left a tersely worded reply. Wildhartlivie (talk) 10:30, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Please look at my talk page, here and Talk:Mae West. WTF? Can you say "over-react"? Can you say anything to keep me from getting in deep trouble for personal attacks? Thanks. Wildhartlivie (talk) 12:41, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

As Craig Ferguson often says "I KNOW!!!" It's way involved and bordered on lunacy. I wanted Susan Powter to come out and scream "Stop the insanity!!" Thank GOD Rossrs and an adminstrator who came across it at Misplaced Pages talk:Manual of Style (icons) got my back on it. There's a bit to be learned about it by reading between the lines on my and Rossrs talk. Ya know, sometimes reading between the lines involves hitting edit. All in all, it sent me to bed for about 5 hours with a raging headache. In lighter news, we had snow flurries today. Talk about WTF?! It was in the 50s last year all during November. I'll do a bit on the page, I'm already toxic poison, ya know. Wildhartlivie (talk) 03:33, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Well, I suppose all's well that ends well. Sort of. It doesn't hurt any of us to make a stop in The Twilight Zone once in a while. Regardless of protest, the one editor most certainly did imply a legal threat. Just weird. Wildhartlivie (talk) 05:29, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Well, yeah, but you know, someone did "some constructive work, real editing that is." Your "good edit" fixed everything that was conceivably wrong, although you personally only removed one tag. Wow, you're gooooooood!!! Wildhartlivie (talk) 04:17, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

My oh my

It's not good. If you'll look at WP:LOW#Bibliographies, I see no example that endorses bolding, the extensive listing of page numbers (which are probably listed in the references above and therefore redundant - see WP:FURTHER) and aren't correctly written (See WP:FURTHER again, which says that this section should be cited in the same manner as the rest of the article - basically using cite book templates). If the lot guy doesn't like it, let me know, I'll back you up. Wildhartlivie (talk) 10:52, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Sounds fine. I went in and fixed the non-formatted outside links in the filmography, but that's about it. It's all yours unless you need me. Actually, what the deal is with the Wae West guy is that he's a West fanatic and I made no bones about POV in my reply. Honestly, there may be symbols of All-American-ness and positive good will out there, but Mae West wasn't one of them. Go read my reply!! Night! Wildhartlivie (talk) 11:29, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Concerning Bobby Driscoll - your message

Hello,

in your profile I read that you come from Germany. I am German (you can check my contact address at www.bobbydriscoll.net, section: Contact-Impressum) and therefore English is not my native language, although I understand it good enough to communicate in it.

Can I write to you in German, what, of course, is much easier for me to explain my point of view etc., or are you preferring English, what doesn't necessarily must mean a general problem, since I simultaneously work with www.dict.leo.com. and similar comprehensive online dictionaries.

Best wishes Oliver - Bylot --Bylot (talk) 16:30, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

user name

I saw on your user page that you support Madonna, gender equality rights, animal rights, Barack Obama, and Stalin. So, I was wondering if your user name was a reference to being a communist (pinko-delica) or if it's just a coincidence. Jayhawk of Justice (talk) 05:22, 18 November 2008 (UTC)