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Pygmy Kitabu

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Unnotable book that fails all options of WP:BK. This book has not "been the subject of multiple, non-trivial published works whose sources are independent of the book itself" (1) and it has not won any "major literary awards" (2). It also has not "been made or adapted with attribution into a motion picture that was released into multiple commercial theaters, or was aired on a nationally televised network or cable station in any country." Editors to the article claim the documentary Pygmies is based on the book, though the creator of the film, Hallet, does not actually say that. He says he wrote the book on the Efé Pygmies, then also wanted to make a documentary on them to provide a "visual depiction" shortly before the government planned to ban any photographing of them. Either way, it is not a major film, having only been shown in one or two theaters in San Francisco of unknown commerical status. So it fails option 3. The book also has not he been "the subject of instruction at multiple grade schools, high schools, universities or post-graduate programs in any particular country" (4).

Finally, Jean-Pierre Hallet is not "so historically significant that any of his or her written works may be considered notable." Some editors on the article claim he is, however as I noted to them "So historically significant' would apply to people like Mother Theresa, the Pope, Shakespeare, Abe Lincoln, etc. who have are written about in history books Not a single humanitarian in a relatively obscure field who is not himself the subject of multiple books and with significant coverage in reliable sources." The reply was to accuse me of being prejudiced against the Pygmies, rather than provide any evidence this humanitarian is notable. A Google search does not support these claims at all, so the book fails criteria 5. Is Hallet notable? Certainly. Is he is "so historically significant" that all of his books are also notable? No. As such, this article should be deleted.

Additionally, it should be noted that there is an open suspected sockpuppetry case against the three major contributors to this article at -- ] (] · ]) 18:05, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

• Delete Merge to author. The book and film seem to be non-notable. All the information is in the author's article, Jean-Pierre Hallet. Although that needs more sourcing as well. Steve Dufour (talk) 18:51, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

The book differs in being a scholarly treatise referenced by another review textbook (cf. above). As such, it has a greater level of relevance than a footnote to the author's biography. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nutsheller (talk • contribs) 23:14, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

• Don't delete this useful search term. Either keep or merge with the author's article. Pburka (talk) 19:15, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Agree. Steve Dufour (talk) 19:33, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

• Comment The book is a scholarly ethologic/sociologic treatise on one of the oldest civilizations. It is referenced in a modern textbook on the history of language and in other sources, such as Websters Online dictionary and previously on Misplaced Pages itself in another context. It was reviewed in American Anthropologist. It is not a trivial book. The book and the film are the subject of a university-level course a university-level course at San Jose State University. Jean-Pierre Hallet has been recognized with Zaire's highest national award, is internationally recogmized as a humanitarian (by the California Academy of Sciences among others), and was active throughout his life in eastern Congo, Rwanda and Burundi. He has raised millions of dollars for the Pygmies and succeeded in securing a national sanctuary for them within the Congo. Misplaced Pages is quicker to allow articles about meerkats (or anime characters) than about such humanitarians and their books. This is irrelevant to the content of the article regarding the Pygmy Kitabu book. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nutsheller (talk • contribs) 23:14, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

• The sockpuppetry case is relevant to the AfD, in case of a bunch of SPA's coming to say keep and keep. The book may not be trivial, but it is still not notable. The author's notability does not confer to his book. -- ] (] · ]) 23:21, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

• Merge seems appropriate at thus point. - House of Scandal (talk) 23:31, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

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