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Promoted Polish culture during World War II

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Stanisław Krysicki

After about a month, what do you think about this article, notable or not? His leadership of ZHR has been referenced although neither this fact, nor the reference has not been found on Google: , , . And also this reference is written by him, is it reliable? In my opinion, AFD. Visor (talk) 22:17, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

New naming convention

A new naming convention for places in Slovakia is being discussed at User_talk:Elonka/Hungarian-Slovakian_experiment#Proposed_naming_convention. Your input will be greatly appreciated. Since these new rules might be later regarded as a precedent by non-involved editors (remember the Danzig/Gdansk case?), I think you will find this ongoing discussion and a poll interesting. Tankred (talk) 02:57, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Poland

Hello Piotrus. I want to join WikiProject Poland. I am not from Poland. I cannot speak Polish and I don't know much about Polish culture. However, I am interested in Polish culture and I know about Polish history. I would like to learn more about Poland and make contributions. Regards, Masterpiece2000 (talk) 03:08, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks Piotrus! I will be a member of WikiProject Poland soon. Regards, Masterpiece2000 (talk) 03:19, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Richard Dawkins FA

Hello Piotrus. Thank you for you comment. Piotrus, you have written 20 FAs. You can help. Give me suggestions to improve the article! Your suggestions will be very helpful. Regards, Masterpiece2000 (talk) 04:41, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Sudovia

Finally! :) When I was looking trough the net I figured why you are so confused: English translations of Polish sources do translate "Suwalszczyzna" as "Suwalki Region". However, there is a much smaller Suwalki Region, that around Suwalki, Punsk, Sejny. It is small, but relevant for several reasons:

1. Lithuanian claims during the interwar (PL-LT war, etc.)
2. Nazi occupation in 1939 (known as "Suwalki triangle" in that context)
3. Concentration of LT minority

Note that the first "Suwalki Region" is a geographical term, while the second is political. I would consider moving current Suvalkai Region to Suwałki triangle to show that is it a very specific term and to prevent any future confusion.

Then there is the second issue: Lithuanian and Polish portions of Sudovia.

• If you look in Google books, term Sudovia pretty much always refer to the times of Baltic tribes and Sudovians/Yotvingians. My suggestion would be to redirect this to the tribe name.
• While looking though variety of sources I figured that the best name for the region of Lithuania is Suvalkija. For example, this official map gives Sudovia only as alternative. Note, that it is 100% Lithuanian term. Think of it as a county of Lithuania. Therefore it's wrong to assert that, for example, Sejny is in Suvalkija.
• Also while looking through various resources, I did not find a single reference that would deal with both Lithuanian and Polish parts together. Therefore I wholeheartedly support creating a separate article for Suwalszczyzna.

So in short: Suvalkai Region move→ Suwałki triangle, Sudovia redirect→ Sudovians, create Suvalkija and Suwalszczyzna, Suvalkai/Suwalki Region → disambiguation.

I think that would sort it out. Renata (talk) 20:21, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Few points:

1. Lithuanians don't claim the entire region. They just claim the small Suvalkai Region/Triangle. See for example, this map. Lithuanians claimed the entire thing (as Suwalki Governorate) only before 1918 but it never came to pass so it was soon forgotten. (Maybe there are some fringe extremists groups claiming half of Poland, I dunno).
2. Suwalki triangle is not completely exactly the same as the area claimed by Lithuanians, but it's extremely close.
3. Suwalszczyzna is not used in English as it is translated Suwalki Region.
4. The problem with these articles is that they don't have definitions - it's like one of those things were everyone knows about it, but no one writes in paper encyclopedias...
5. I dare you to find a single text in either language that would deal with entire Suvalkija + Suwalszczyzna. There are none because such a region is irrelevant when divided between two countries.
6. So would you object if I implemented my solution?

Renata (talk) 18:03, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

I was thinking about "one article, multiple section" solution but there are some issues with it:

1. There is no good term for all of it. "Suwalki/Suvalkai Region" does not really apply to Lithuanian side and pretty much always refer to the lands in Poland. BTW, lack of a term also shows that the combined region is not relevant.
2. Suvalkija needs to be a separate article to complete the series on the regions of Lithuania.
3. An article, discussing a variety of geographical, cultural, and political regions relevant in different historical periods, would be a complete mess & total confusion.

Renata (talk) 18:26, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Actually... I just compared higher resolution maps of Suwalki Governorate and the line drawn in the RU-LT treaty of 1920... and they actually match (or very very close - I believed that the Governorate extended further south). And if this Polish map is to be trusted, it's also the extent of Suwalszczyzna. So that simplifies the issue: Suwalszczyzna & Suwalki Region is the same. I see how Lithuanian literature made it seem smaller because of shrinking LT presence there & also "Suwalki triangle" was smaller than the region. My bad.

So my amended solution looks like this: Suvalkai Region move→ Suwałki Region and expand about Suwalszczyzna, Sudovia move→ Suvalkija & Sodovia redirect→ Sudovians. Renata (talk) 19:23, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

We should still have two articles on the region:

1. Suwalki Region (moved, transformed, expanded, etc, from Suvalkai Region; Suwalszczyzna redirects here) - deals with the region in PL
2. Suvalkija (moved, transformed, expanded, etc. from Sudovia leaving Sudovia as a redirect to the tribes) - deals with the region in LT

The map is (c) and unless I redraw it, it cannot be used on WP. But I am trying to send it to you via email (it's ~10MB file), but it's breaking my gmail :( Renata (talk) 19:49, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

I was trying to find a source that would specifically discuss the regions, but no luck yet. When looking through a variety of sources that mention one or the other region in the passing, I noticed total mess and confusion: all terms used without any kind of consistency or logic... (including so often mistranslation of Suwałki County as Suwalki Region)... So the only reliable and on the topic reference that I know of is this map created by Vilnius University to specifically illustrate historical regions of Lithuania. As you will see Suvalkija (in yellow) extends only a tiny bit into Poland and Sejny and Punsk is actually in historical Dzukija. This map is consistent with official map by a Seimas commission charged specifically to determine the borders of the regions. So "Suvalkija" quite clearly does not apply to Suwalszczyzna in Poland.

My best solution still stands as above (an article for Lt, and another for PL). Renata (talk) 16:34, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Drafting LT portion: User:Renata3/suvalkija. Renata (talk) 01:43, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

BTW, while reading some thoughts re name change from Suvalkija to Sudovia I realized why Suvalkija is a bad name: it is of political origin when the actual Suvalkija has nothing to do with politics. It's all about peasants of 19th century, their language, clothing, food, traditions, etc. I hope you can see now why I strongly oppose the merger. Renata (talk) 05:48, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Reasoning for "Oppression of Ukrainian minority in the Second Polish Republic"

I realize that the section (shortly) describes OUN tactics also. But to me that is neither the focus nor the main point of the section. The article itself also describes oppression of Ukrainians, but we don't title it that way. We could go back and forth in the background section. Where would it end? Czapliński and Khmelnytsky?... I think the longstanding article and section titles that were there before any of the disagreements were best. Change it if you must, but I think it should stay as it was. Ostap 20:37, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

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Request

Would you look at this and then please delete the hoax article? Ostap 18:54, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks

Actually, I was looking for someone impartial to create an actual wiki entry when my book is released later this year. I've been working on some things, so I haven't been blogging nearly as much as I should. I'll try to do better.

Cordova829 (talk) 19:23, 22 April 2008 (UTC)Cordova829

Google Books links.

Where, they are clearly in the Public Domain I've tended to leave them in if they link to a specfic work,

If you can point me to a link on Google's site that enables checking of the permissions they have obtained in respect of each specific non-PD work, that would assist greatly, otherwise I feel I am not being unreasonable in de-linking deep links to scans of copyrighted works.

However, it's not the copyvio issue in the main issue that I was concerned about, it the issue of what I term "provider-duality", Whilst not official policy it is basicly that in citing works, the work and page should be cited, but that no single provider should be favoured. Hence the removal of links to scans on Google Books. Sfan00 IMG (talk) 19:54, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

User:Sfan00 IMG aka User:ShakespeareFan00, please self-revert your own hasty deletions of links to books.google.com especially in all Poland related articles. Your pretentious and misinformed idea of "provider-duality" sounds preposterous. Hence, your unilateral actions stemming from probable lack of understanding of what copyright is, can only be seen as disruptive. --Poeticbent talk 20:35, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

It seems someone already had in respect of some of them, I am reviewing the others and reverting them accordingly.. Sfan00 IMG (talk) 21:21, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

All links (with the exception of one article subsquently edited to include other sources) have had links restored.

You are also owed a VERY big apology, which I would like to now offer. Sfan00 IMG (talk) 22:15, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

In respect of why they were reinstated, someone on one of the IRC channels was able to clarify what thier status was. :) Sfan00 IMG (talk) 22:20, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

So can we assume that this nonsense has stopped now then? --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 22:43, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Wigand

That's an old friend user:Bloomfield - creating hardly intelligible articles about obscure subjects (like nobility or non-existent states), never citing reliable references, using sources from 18-19th century that freely mix scholarship with fantasies, including a ton of irrelevant external links, spelling names and locations the weirdest way possible, using multiple sockpuppets to hide his trail... I spent a lot of time cleaning the mess he left in Lithuanian corner, still a lot more left (especially in Ruthenian nobility). If you see similar editing patters elsewhere, let me know. Renata (talk) 05:58, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

editing help

Hi there Piotrus!

A university class I've been trying to convince to get involved in using WP in their class has today agreed to do so. In the class they rewrote the text of Religious Nationalism. I was wondering if you could have a look at it and edit it mercilessly (as the saying goes). Perhaps if you could convince others to get in on the act too that would be great.

Here is the diff of the edit they made .

Thanks for your help,

Witty Lama 10:23, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

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Walter Bradel

I would like to understand on what grounds you have questioned the notability of Walter Bradel? He was the recipient of the Knight's Cross of the Iron Cross as well as a commander of a German bomber wing. To my knoweldge this makes him notable. 18:28, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Prehistory template etc.

I'll work on those things. Orczar (talk) 13:42, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Help in Polish

Hi, how would you translate "seminarium duchowne misjonarzy"? User:Adam majewski translated it to "Seminary in Missionary". (For the Jan Krzysztof Kluk article). Pro bug catcher (talk • contribs). 11:24, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

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Ponary massacre

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Blocking help.

Czesc Piotrus, Zostalem (moim zdaniem) nieslusznie zablokowany (see my page) mozesz mi cos poradzic jako doswiadczony editor ? Thanks--Jacurek (talk) 14:27, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

DYK!

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mastereditor

Talk:Civil war in Lithuania (1700)

Left you some comments. —PētersV (talk) 02:03, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your help on WikiProject Pittsburgh!

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		Thank you for your continued help with WikiProject Pittsburgh! Keep up the great work! DB9 (talk) 02:26, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Category:WikiProject Poland participants

Hello Piotrus. How are you? I have created Category:WikiProject Poland participants. You can add the category on your user page. Regards, Masterpiece2000 (talk) 09:55, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Lossowski

Yes, and Lossowski is the holy grail of truth and unbiased information. Renata (talk) 03:18, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

And if you would look what you are reverting, you would see that you are removing references from an addition made a week earlier (which you did not remove even though made other corrections) and a discussion of different views of the treaty (including the fact that Vilnius is nowhere explicitly mentioned). Therefore I revert as Lossowski is not the only opinion that's out there. Renata (talk) 03:56, 28 April 2008 (UTC)