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Suggestion: External links to tutorials

There used to be a list of external links to 4-5 good HTML tutorials (HTML.net among others). I do not understand why this list has been removed? Especially not when there still is a list of external links to validators... why not tutorials? I think it would add extra value to the article.

If there is no objections I will re-add the section with external links to HTML tutorials . 80.199.104.157 (talk) 11:20, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

PageFace.com - Site Recommendation

I would like to suggest PageFace - HTML & XHTML Tutorials there web site has very in-depth and easy to learn tutorials like no other site that I have been to except W3.org. I believe the people who are really interested in trying to learn HTML would benefit from this site greatly as I have.

Thank You
18:00 August 13, 2007 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hightilidie (talk • contribs) 17:15, 14 August 2007 UTC

This particular "suggestion" has previously been added to the external links of many pages, and then subsequently removed as linkspam. -- Scjessey 17:31, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Hightilidie, I've just taken a brief look round the website. Frankly its one of the ugliest most spam-infested sites I have ever seen. Its also completely unfit for purpose — the home page fails validation with 60 errors. This is your own website, right? Please read the Misplaced Pages guidelines on spam and external links before you consider linking any articles to this site or to anything else you may be working on. -- Sakurambo 桜ん坊 17:43, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

I just took a look at the site finding it on a tutorial site and remember seeing it on Talk:HTML but did not think to look at it until now it has some good info I did not see any spam just ads unless you consider advertisement spam in that case almost all your web sites spam. I checked the validation of the site it did fail validation but then again almost all your major web sites fail validation from tucows.com, ebay.com, yahoo.com, myspace.com and so on all fail validation. User:Sakurambo you said the site was one of ugliest sites around I have to disagree its very easy on the eyes I did take a look at your site and I will just ended at that well I would say I like the PlayStation article but I wish I could say more. I do not know if wiki user Hightilidie is the owner of the web site but I will contact them because I need help with my forms as well as some unicode charcters Hope they answer. I'll keep you guys updated but all in all this site has some good info like it or not it its still a good web site from my point of view whish it had more CSS examples though. Tha Web 04:58, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

New tutorial link suggestion though - ragnarev.com/tutorial.html - Ragnarev.com - HTML Tutorials Updated Weekly] - As you can see, I just added the first chapter. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ragnarev (talk • contribs) 18:05, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

ragnarev.com is one of several interrelated domains spammed frequently enough to Misplaced Pages that they're now blacklisted. --A. B. 01:53, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Suggestion: HTML elements index

Suggesting HTML elements index (HTML 3.2, HTML 4.01, XHTML 1.0, XHTML 1.1, HTML 5, XHTML 2.0) for reference. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.189.249.153 (talk) 14:05, 1 July, 2007 (UTC)

It's a nice idea to link to a comparison table like this, and I like the fact that it's on a fairly noncommercial, notable author's site, but it has some problems. Even the HTML 5-oriented expanded version is a bit misleading, particularly with how it presents the frameset, form, and deprecated elements. XHTML 1.0, for example, does indeed support frameset, s, etc., but the site says otherwise, perhaps because it's assuming XHTML 1.0 Strict? Why then would it not assume HTML 4.0 Strict for the HTML 4.0 column? And XHTML 2.0, by design, does not inherently support forms, but that's the point of XForms, which is essentially part of XHTML 2.0; I'd rather see these caveats noted with footnotes, if XForms elements can't be added. Perhaps splitting the columns (Strict/Transitional/Frameset under HTML 4.0 and XHTML 1.0, and Core/XForms under XHTML 1.1 and XHTML 2.0?) would be another option. —mjb 21:01, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

It would also be nice to link to a contemporary cross browser tag reference. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.128.156.64 (talk) 03:41, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Use the Source, Luke

I noticed that the article doesn't contain information on accessing Source Code to view the HTML code of other websites. I believe that this is a very important fact missed out. I think that something to do with this should be included. I'm not the best at putting words that sound professional (I'm more informal) but I do think that such a part should be added. What do you think? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 217.23.225.122 (talk) 09:43, 1 May 2007 (UTC).

Very Good Point. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tha Web (talk • contribs) 04:09, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

I also agree. For anyone who didn't know, to view the source code for a page, go to "View" at the top of your browser, then select "Source". I love writing small like this If someone could please add this, that would be helpful. Tommyqiscow (talk) 20:18, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Incomprehensible article

I noticed that the article hasn't been translated into English yet. Can someone please do that? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.107.171.155 (talk) 06:34, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

I have noticed that you still haven't learned how to give constructive criticism. That said: Yes, at least the introduction needs to be rewritten. Both to give a more gentle introduction, and to have a more natural sentense structure. The rest of the article can stay technical; it's a technical subject. Carewolf 09:57, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Saying that an incomprehensible article needs to rewritten to make it better is constructive criticism. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.107.187.88 (talk) 03:58, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

No it isn't, it's just criticism. It would've been constructive if you had said something that enables people to make it better or understand what exactly about the article was difficult for you to understand, such as a list of new terms that weren't adequately explained when they were introduced, or examples of phrasing that you found confusing or too technical. Sign your posts, too, even if you're not logged in. —mjb 22:14, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Wow! What language, 71.107.171.155/71.107.187.88! OK, now – disregarding direct personal attacks and sarcasms – you seem to imply that the article either has a bad grammar, or uses too much jargon. Then I suggest that you read the first three sentences in the article and the first section Definition of HTML. You cannot get it easier! If the criticism regards other places in the text, then fix it yourself, but do it constructively. Said: Rursus ☺ ★ 09:10, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Hey, 71.107.187.88, that's too much! I've erased the offensive part of your post. Alexius08 (talk) 11:34, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Added section: Basic features

Feel free to add, as long as the additions belong to the base features, that doesn't require CSS to have a visible general semantics, or doesn't belong to the special Frames HTML dialect. The section is intended to be a short'n'fast overview. Said: Rursus ☺ ★ 10:14, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

On the wish list

I wish a more detailed comparison between HTML versions, most importantly a description of what is going to differ from 4 to 5. There is discussion of the "officialness" and "standardness" of 5, but it adresses all criticisms that I've felt against SGML/XML (they're not actually defining any semantics), so it will most surely be a success, alongside XHTML and XSLT, of course! Said: Rursus ☺ ★ 09:30, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Time line restructure request

I took the liberty to separate XHTML from HTML in the section Version history of the standard. However, there is a time line in the HTML section that occurs twice:

1. a list in chronological order,
2. a prose text in reversed chronological order!!

Shouldn't it be just one chronologically ordered prose text? Otherwise the section will remain very messy. Said: Rursus ☺ ★ 19:40, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

I did pretty much, but some cleanup may still be needed, feel free 2 ... Said: Rursus ☺ ★ 20:29, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

There was nothing in reverse order. There was a chronological list of specifications, followed by chronological prose that primarily explains why there's no HTML 3.0 in the list, and the switchover from IETF to W3C. That prose probably could be moved up into the main history section.

Separating out the XHTML stuff is fine (and is my preference), but I don't like that you've changed it from being a chronological list of specs into a chronology of spec publication events. That doesn't strike me as an improvement.

Also, bold text on the dates is distracting. If it has to be changed, I think I'd rather see a table, as is often done for software release versions (see Adobe Photoshop release history for an example). I started to make such a table, but am still working out how to make it look good; I'm not entirely sure it's going to be an improvement over a bulleted list. —mjb 20:42, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

HTML Commands Index

Shouldn't there be an index on Misplaced Pages for all HTML commands? Since we do use HTML? And a really easy to get to link like maybe one that is listed in this page. If it is already listed or I double posted please just message me to where it is. -PatPeter 02:14, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Help:HTML in wikitext tells you what HTML elements are permitted on Misplaced Pages. It is one of the guides listed on Help:Contents/Editing Misplaced Pages. —mjb 09:34, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

But we don't really use that much Real HTML here. Mostly Misplaced Pages converts Wikimarkup into html to make the articles. And the markup is shown at the bottom when creating a new article. Complex-Algorithm-Interval 13:03, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Besides, there are too many HTML commands to put on here. And, there are different variations of HTML, like XHTML, for example. Complex-Algorithm 22:49, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Large section removed

I removed the following two sections in an attempt to do some cleanup on the article. I'm sure later some of this will come back in, but hopefully in a better formatted and better flowing article. —— Eagle101 18:55, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Basic features

• Structured text web pages, with visual formatting of:
  • chapter and section headings,
  • paragraphs and text markup such as italics and bold to stress parts of text,
  • unnumbered and numbered lists,
  • tables;
• embedding of visible raster images into the text flow;
• links, which provide access to other web pages on the World Wide Web.

Sophisticated and dynamic documents can be created by combining HTML with presentational languages like CSS, and behavioral languages like JavaScript that give access to the DOM.

Definition of HTML

HTML stands for HyperText Markup Language.

1. Hypertext is ordinary text that has been dressed up with extra features, such as formatting, images, multimedia, and links to other resources.
2. Markup is the process of taking ordinary text and adding extra symbols. Each of the symbols used for markup in HTML is a command that tells a browser how to display the text.

Tag References

Shouldn't there be a section of HTML tag references?

It's hard to find contemporary cross browser tag references and the collective experience of Misplaced Pages would be helpful in this regard. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.128.156.64 (talk) 03:39, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Programming language

Is HTML considered a programming language? Wooyi 16:26, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

It's a Markup Language. It says it right in the name :) (Hypertext Markup Language) --Quezacolt (talk) 11:07, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

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