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| '''Note''': I don't keep a watchlist (although I often look into the "related changes" for ]). If you want to be certain that I don't miss your comments, please notify me accordingly or keep all discussion on this page. Thank you. | '''Note''': I don't keep a watchlist (although I often look into the "related changes" for ]). If you want to be certain that I don't miss your comments, please notify me accordingly or keep all discussion on this page. Thank you. | ||
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| ==Away== | ==Away== | ||
| I am away. You may reach me through the e-mail link on this page. | |||
| I will be away for a while (private matters, nothing to do with Misplaced Pages). Happy editing, everybody. ] 14:32, 25 June 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == ] == | |||
| You commented during a ] of this article. It is now a ] and I'd appreciate your views (if you are back in time). Cheers, ]°] 16:26, 7 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==Back, sort of== | |||
| Looks like I'm returning to editing. I'll be here rather sporadically, so please don't expect me to answer comments or follow requests immediately. But it's nice to be back. ] 12:09, 19 December 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==Thank you== | |||
| How kind you are. I saw when you gave up your adminship (very quietly, but somebody posted a note about it on ANI) and I've thought about doing the same ever since. Adminning certainly detracts from actual contribution, and I'm pretty ineffectual with the technical stuff anyway. Better let people who're good at it do it. I feel a childish pride when I succeed in doing a history merge or a range block (how brilliant, how brave, what feats!) but that's just self-indulgence. A teenager with more of a flair for it--that would be most teenagers-- will do it faster, better, more safely. And one keeps getting embroiled, indeed. But adminship isn't the point in this case. I've worked so much with Giano that I really can't contemplate working, not just without him, but in the constant awareness that he was wantonly driven off, trolled out. :-( Oh, well, perhaps we'll both come slinking back as reincarnations some day when the addiction bites! Though indeed without any of the enthusiasm of true newbies. :-( It's pretty sad when the addiction is the only hook. But if it happens I'll certainly give careful thought to what you say abut the watchlist, I think I see your point. Thank you very much for your letter. ] | ] 01:19, 2 January 2007 (UTC). | |||
| == Coordinates == | |||
| Hello. Maybe I've just had to explain in the edit summary, sorry. I will explain here. I think such accuracy is harmless and only good in these cases. Surely better than the opposite case (seen on WP many times) when coordinates are bloody innacurate. Regards. - ] 22:43, 19 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
| == I need you to upload file picture == | |||
| {{unsign|72.49.182.192|17:32, 20 January 2007}} | |||
| :'''Comment''', I looked at the link yet I see nothing. Is an empty page. ] <sup>]</sup> 07:57, 21 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::I have answered that user on his page; seems that he doesn't understand why his request won't help. There's nothing we can do here. ] 08:00, 21 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ==''Issue de table''== | |||
| Well, the ] is over for this time, and off we go into a period of intellectual fast. But mayhaps will we meet again some day to make more medieval merry! My regards to you for your comments at the nomination. | |||
| sincerely,<br> | |||
| ] <sup>]</sup> 07:55, 9 March 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ==]== | |||
| Kosebamse, I need to inform you that a Time-Cube-related discussion has been occurring on the page ]. That discussion, with its , may be of interest to you. | |||
| == My fault entirely == | |||
| My fault entirely, and thank you for the note. --] 21:07, 3 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| == "Occupied territory" == | |||
| Actually, I've been debating whether to use "occupied territory" in the lead of ]. Although I've flip-flopped already, I'm probably going flip-flop back toward not using the term. There was a discussion at ] over how the map of Israel should refer to the West Bank, Gaza Strip, and Golan Heights. Eventually, it was decided that they should avoid "occupied territories" altogether and just say ]. So, perhaps we should just leave ''West Bank'' on its own and let interested readers click on the link for a description of the complex situation. -- ''']''' 13:50, 12 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :Have all of your objections to the FAC been alleviated? -- ''']''' 14:30, 12 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ::Sorry; I didn't realize you retracted your objection. -- ''']''' 14:31, 12 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :::No problem, I will read the article thoroughly again and probably say "support" then. ] 14:33, 12 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ==]== | |||
| The ] discussion of ] (archived ]) has been restarted. Please check if the current version of the article has addressed your concerns, if any, and voice your opinion on the FAC ]. ] 19:03, 24 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :Done. Thanks for the hint. ] 05:03, 25 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ==Copyright violation in ]== | |||
| ]Hello, this is a message from ]. A tag has been placed on ], by {{#ifeq:1|1|] (] '''·''' ]),}} another Misplaced Pages user, requesting that it be ] from Misplaced Pages. The tag claims that it should be speedily deleted because ] is unquestionably copyright infringement, and no assertion of permission has been made.<br><br>To contest the tagging and request that administrators wait before possibly deleting ], please affix the template <nowiki>{{hangon}}</nowiki> to the page, and put a note on its talk page. If the article has already been deleted, see the advice and instructions at ]. Feel free to contact the ] if you have any questions about this or any problems with this bot, bearing in mind that '''this bot is only informing you of the nomination for speedy deletion; it does not perform any nominations or deletions itself.''' --] 22:24, 14 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| == Deletion == | |||
| I sent you a copy of the deleted version via e-mail, so you should check it. Sorry for not mentioning it here. --]]] 19:43, 18 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| :Oh crap, I've missed your message in another section ''completely'', so I apologize for that. I'll look over the article and restore everything that's not a copyvio. Extremely sorry for the unfortunate delay. Also, I value deletion concerns ''a lot''. I make mistakes, and I am more than glad to redeem them. ]]] 20:03, 18 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
| == Barnstar == | |||
| Hi, Kosebamse. You deserve a barnstar. ] 09:58, 19 August 2007 (UTC) | |||
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| ===Current affairs=== | |||
| ] | ] 12:21, 21 September 2007 (UTC) | |||
| ] has not edited since Christmas except for matters related to the IRC case. She has deleted her user and talk page and killed her socks ] and ]. It is obvious that this decision resulted from the handling and circumstances of the ] and the subsequent retreat of ]. She has long been one of our finest editors. Besides doing a lot of thankless admin work, she has been at the heart of numerous collaborations and has written (alone or in collaboration) a number of fantastic articles, such as ], ], ], ] to name only a few. Her humor, wit, and hospitality have attracted countless dedicated writers and made her talkpage the venue of many of Misplaced Pages's wittiest discussions ever. | |||
| == Bjørnøya == | |||
| ] has been one of the finest editors ever. His intelligent and humourous writing style, his knowledge and wit, his dedication to the project and his insight into Misplaced Pages matters were unrivalled. He has left after of years of harassment by Wikipedians from every imaginable station, from the nitwits and trolls to admins, former admins, and even members of our most illustrious tribunal. | |||
| You're welcome, and Merry Christmas. I came across the article because it is ] on ], although it has in fact been demoted. What do you think about a renomination? ] (]) 21:50, 25 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
| So much for the facts. Here's the context in a nutshell: | |||
| == ] == | |||
| The IRC channel #wikipedia-en-admins has seen numerous lamentable events, including rude attacks on users. In December 2007, a short-lived edit-war broke out over the (now redirected) ], Giano taking sides for Bishonen and mentioning said lamentable events. Administrative tools were used in violation of policy, including page protection by an involved user, and an inadequate block against Giano (see ]). A RFAR was filed. These events took place over Christmas, and there was virtually no chance for the community to sort out the matter before the RFAR was accepted. It was accepted under circumstances and conducted under . Its outcome has predictably resulted in Giano's leaving, who has indicated that he will not return. Bishonen's role in these events was rather small (she had been subject to attacks on IRC in the past, and briefly involved in the skirmishes over ]). She has however made clear that she will not accept sanctions that cause Giano to leave. | |||
| Good morning. I noted you saying, FOUR YEARS AGO, that the project does not have an agreed definition of what an encyclopedia should be. Well, that's a problem that can only grow unaddressed as our focus inevitably moves from creating good content towards maintaining good content. The matter is somewhat a concern a mine as I've been watching and feebly participating in a dispute over the fact that there's a lot of pressure to make our fiction coverage more professional and better sourced. This involves the destruction of tens of thousands of articles and the compromisation of the field that's our primary advantage over traditional encyclopedias, so that's what people have set out to do. | |||
| So much for the context. For those interested, here's the comment: | |||
| Editorializing aside, what bothers me is the fact that there's no clear agreement on a goal, which is a sure factor in proliferating decision-making by force. So have you, in the last four years, seen any agreement on what an encyclopedia should be, or attempts at coming to such an agreement? <small>—Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 10:48, 8 January 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
| The arb com's ill-advised acceptance of the case, their delays in decision-making, their unclear stance on conflicts of interest among their members, and the small-minded final decision have foreseeably caused a lot of bitterness and the loss of two superlative writers. I respect Giano's and Bishonen's decision to retreat from a project that they have been given every reason to consider disgraced. | |||
| == Misplaced Pages talk:Requests for arbitration/IRC/Proposed decision == | |||
| But it's such a bloody shame. ] (]) 08:54, 26 February 2008 (UTC) | |||
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Note: I like to keep my talk page structured. You might like to start new topics using the "add a comment" link (plus sign) on top of this page.
Note: I don't keep a watchlist (although I often look into the "related changes" for User:Kosebamse/stuff). If you want to be certain that I don't miss your comments, please notify me accordingly or keep all discussion on this page. Thank you.
Away
I am away. You may reach me through the e-mail link on this page.
Current affairs
Bishonen has not edited since Christmas except for matters related to the IRC case. She has deleted her user and talk page and killed her socks 'Zilla and Little Stupid. It is obvious that this decision resulted from the handling and circumstances of the IRC case and the subsequent retreat of Giano. She has long been one of our finest editors. Besides doing a lot of thankless admin work, she has been at the heart of numerous collaborations and has written (alone or in collaboration) a number of fantastic articles, such as John Vanbrugh, S. A. Andrée's Arctic balloon expedition of 1897, Great Fire of London, Swedish emigration to the United States to name only a few. Her humor, wit, and hospitality have attracted countless dedicated writers and made her talkpage the venue of many of Misplaced Pages's wittiest discussions ever.
Giano has been one of the finest editors ever. His intelligent and humourous writing style, his knowledge and wit, his dedication to the project and his insight into Misplaced Pages matters were unrivalled. He has left after of years of harassment by Wikipedians from every imaginable station, from the nitwits and trolls to admins, former admins, and even members of our most illustrious tribunal.
So much for the facts. Here's the context in a nutshell:
The IRC channel #wikipedia-en-admins has seen numerous lamentable events, including rude attacks on users. In December 2007, a short-lived edit-war broke out over the (now redirected) page describing that channel, Giano taking sides for Bishonen and mentioning said lamentable events. Administrative tools were used in violation of policy, including page protection by an involved user, and an inadequate block against Giano (see Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/IRC/Evidence). A RFAR was filed. These events took place over Christmas, and there was virtually no chance for the community to sort out the matter before the RFAR was accepted. It was accepted under dubious circumstances and conducted under heavy criticism. Its outcome has predictably resulted in Giano's leaving, who has indicated that he will not return. Bishonen's role in these events was rather small (she had been subject to attacks on IRC in the past, and briefly involved in the skirmishes over WP:WEA). She has however made clear that she will not accept sanctions that cause Giano to leave.
So much for the context. For those interested, here's the comment:
The arb com's ill-advised acceptance of the case, their delays in decision-making, their unclear stance on conflicts of interest among their members, and the small-minded final decision have foreseeably caused a lot of bitterness and the loss of two superlative writers. I respect Giano's and Bishonen's decision to retreat from a project that they have been given every reason to consider disgraced.
But it's such a bloody shame. Kosebamse (talk) 08:54, 26 February 2008 (UTC)