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Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Armenia-Azerbaijan 2

Hello,

An Arbitration case involving you has been opened: Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Armenia-Azerbaijan 2. Please add any evidence you may wish the Arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Armenia-Azerbaijan 2/Evidence. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Armenia-Azerbaijan 2/Workshop.

On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, - Penwhale | 16:44, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Watch this

Vartan, please keep an eye on this article and make sure that the reference to the Genocide is not removed. -- Aivazovsky 20:05, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Award

Thank you for the award. I hope I can find the time to do the missing years as well some day. Knurftendans 15:02, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

whatsup?

Long time no talk, happy to see you alive. I'm still waiting the pictures. Anatolmethanol 20:13, 27 July 2007 (UTC) :)

Re:

Hey what's up? Well of course there's a reason that comes from my non-wiki life. Nothing is going well, and my neighbours are actually bringing me to court and the situation might worsen and send me to ruin... -- Davo88 19:04, 31 July 2007 (UTC) Maybe that apricot juice would do me good :) -- Davo88 19:29, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Sper

I have no idea if Sper (Anatolia) or Sper (Armenia) is the right name, but please do not execute copy/paste moves. Please discuss the issue with Makalp at Talk:Sper (Anatolia) or take it to WP:RM if a move needs to be made. Thank you. --B 23:31, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Based on your statement, I've gone ahead and moved it ... but if for whatever reason it needs to be moved again, please don't copy/paste the text - that causes serious problems. That is what I was trying to fix - I have no interest in where the article is located, just that the history is associated with the article. If you are trying to move over top of a page that exists, you have to get an admin to do it (the target needs to be deleted before something can be moved over top of it), but it is important that it not be a copy/paste move. --B 01:17, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Alish Lambaranski

I have removed the speedy delete tag from that article. It asserts that he was the mayor of Baku, which is an assertion of notability. I'm not saying that he's notable, but speedy requires not even an assertion of notability. You may try to nominate the article at WP:AFD if you disagree. Carlossuarez46 04:14, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

No problem!

Don't worry about it :) - Fedayee 07:36, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Yeah one more time and i'm protecting it. I gave him a nice welcome to Misplaced Pages, what more does he want? :P - Fedayee 03:58, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

It has to do with our WPAM templates in our userpage. Someone from the Spanish wiki must've done something to interwiki it but I haven't figured out what's up. Even the WikiProject Armenia page has a problem with the interwikis. - Fedayee 07:05, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Re

I understand, I figured you were probably stressed or what not. I didn't see their attacks myself, but I hope everyone can learn to calm down, especially with the second arbitration ongoing. Thank you very much for your note. :) --Golbez 21:10, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Back

Thanks, I just came back from a nice vacation. How's everything been? I see articles have been a mess without me :>). I still got a little jet lag, will work some more tomorrow.Hetoum I 02:00, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Armenian Genocide

Very well. Please bear in mind that protection will be reinstated if the edit warring resumes. I hope all those involved can come to an agreement. Fvasconcellos (t·c) 00:12, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for welcoming me back, hows everything. ROOB323 07:00, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Kings of Cilicia

Hello. Concerning a debate between me and User:Hetoum I recently (see it here), I would like your opinion concerning the renaming of articles on the Armenian kings of Cilicia from their long accepted titles to ones which Hetoum feels are more appropriate based on the Armenian language and on the best sources. I disagree at least with the use of Gosdantin and Levon over the English names Constantine and Leo. I also believe that the consistent enumeration which did not distinguish princes and kings was most useful. Thoughts? Srnec 05:31, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Thankyou. What is your reasoning for supporting the change in enumeration? And what is the reason for supporting Armenian versions of Greek/Latin names? I do not oppose Hetoum, Toros, Smpad, etc. as long as alternative verions appear in the article near the top, but Constantine and Leo are universally accepted English forms for the names of monarchs from far and wide whose native spellings are different. Wikipedian conventions demand Anglicisation where such are accepted scholarly practice, as for at least Constantine and Leo they are. Srnec 20:10, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

ASALA

Hi. Chem haskanum dzer pahvackn Asala hodvadzum. Inchu ek toghnum vor irents ahabekich voraken, yev inchu ek hanum Ajemiani yev Simonyani anunnern. Da haytni past e, yev yes aghbyurner unem, karogh em nerkayatsnel. te mtadzum ek, vor aydpes aveli lav klini? Bolor depkerum Hayastani hamar zohvadz mardkants hishataki handep petk e hargankov varvel! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.118.95.60 (talk) 13:50, August 26, 2007 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Armenia-Azerbaijan 2 Closed

The above named arbitration case in which you were named as a party has closed. The remedy is as follows: The remedies of revert limitations (formerly revert parole), including the limitation of 1 revert per week, civility supervision (formerly civility parole) and supervised editing (formerly probation) that were put in place at Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Armenia-Azerbaijan shall apply to any editor who edits articles which relate to Armenia-Azerbaijan and related ethnic conflicts in an aggressive point of view manner marked by incivility. Before any penalty is applied, a warning placed on the editor's user talk page by an administrator shall serve as notice to the user that these remedies apply to them.

You may view the full case decisions here.

For the Arbitration Committee, - Penwhale | 00:31, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

RE:Please stop

My editions are not called "Vandalism", they are called "Reverting Vandalism". You can't understand the difference, since you are a Vandal... --SONSAVASCI 02:59, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

AdilBaguirov

AdilBaguirovs website is also in the external links section of Azerbaijan. See here: (its under Virtual Azerbaijan Republic). As AdilBaguirov is a banned user, his website should not be used as a source or as a link anywhere on Misplaced Pages.Hajji Piruz 16:46, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

It was in number of other pages I removed them all. VartanM 19:22, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

No, linking to the site is an editorial decision. That a Misplaced Pages editor is banned for behavioral reasons has nothing to do with whether we should link to their site as an editorial decision (I'm taking issue with the reasoning, not necessarily the decision itself to remove the link).--Chaser - T 23:19, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

"Teams" and wikipedia

VartanM, regarding this thread related to these comments, please note that there are no "teams" on Misplaced Pages. I realize that there are different groups surrounding these articles who share two different points of view, but off-site descriptions of a "team" don't effect the fact that here we edit as independent editors. That one editor has been banned indefinitely from the site does not mean that the ban tarnishes another editor. Atabek's ban is for four days, and then he is welcome to return to editing any and all articles on the site in the same civil and collegial manner expected of all of us.--Chaser - T 18:40, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Please be much more courteous. Fred Bauder 20:13, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

I fully understand your concern but I never ment to imply that there are teams here in Misplaced Pages. I was simmply refering to the copyright tag at Adilbaguirov's site.

Copyright (c) 1997-2004 by the Khojaly Massacre Commemoration Site. All Rights Reserved. Created by Adil Baguirov and the team, spin-off of Virtual Azerbaijan Republic (VAR).

Please note that Atabek himself admitted and took offense. --VartanM 20:17, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Please, provide proofs/diffs where "Atabek himself admitted" to being a "team" member of AdilBaguirov, otherwise, be considered for yet another violation of WP:AGF and WP:CIVIL. Atabek 20:50, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Memorial and Human Rights passage in the first paragraph

I would recommend finding a place to put it that would be more appropriate than the first summary paragraph and justifying why you put it there in talk:Khojaly Massacre. Pocopocopocopoco 01:20, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

David Bek

May I ask you why you are reverting the David Bek page? The source says "Davit Bek and his allies destroyed the Turkic villages of Kapan and Meghri districts, slaughtering the Muslim population and loading the plunder on camels." Parishan 06:50, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

You are engaging in WP:OR when you say that the slaughtered Muslims were Turkic. The source says Muslim population not Turkic Muslim population. present the source as it is and let the reader decide if the population was Turkic or not. If you have nothing personal to say to me, lets discuss this in the articles talkpage so others can also see. VartanM 06:56, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Umm, no. Did you even bother to read the last edit, or you just revert blindly? This was my last edit: "...which led to the slaughter and expulsion of Muslims from the Turkic villages of the Kapan and Meghri districts of Eastern Armenia." Parishan 07:04, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Parishan, assume good faith, Yes I did see it and no I didn't blind revert, what you did was alter the quote to fit your POV which is OR. Did you by any chance missed my suggestion to discuss this matter in the appropriate talkpage? VartanM 07:45, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

I was assuming good faith. Your comment about the Turkic Muslims phrase had nothing to do with my last edit, so you kind of gave yourself away. Anyway, see Talk:David Bek. Parishan 07:53, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

It had everything to do with your last edit. Alteration of the quote is to fit certain POV is OR. thats what my edit summary said. And my comment was regarding the 3 days of worth edit waring, which I don't know about you, but I didn't enjoyed. Anyways see the Talk:David Bek. VartanM 08:10, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

The edit did not contain the phrase Turkic Muslims, which you have attacked, at all. How does that have "everything to do with my last edit"? And how was that alteration, if you just said on the talkpage that you were okay with it? Parishan 08:16, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Its well past midnight here, so excuse me for thinking about something and writing about something else. Besides your message really suprised me. I don't get that many messages. VartanM 08:22, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Incivility

Again, comments like "I am getting tired of your abrasive answers and misrepresentation of sources. are uncivil. I'll be quite frank in telling you that editors are rarely blocked for isolated instances of incivility. However, incivility can be contribute to other sanctions, including applying this remedy. Tread carefully. I suggest that you redact the above portion of your previous comment as a show of good faith towards Atabek.--Chaser - T 06:54, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

I removed both of the comments as a sign of AGF. I will also remove all of the partisan userboxes from my talkpage. My observation that Atabek is yet to assume good faith hasn't changed. And his harassing me as a result of his 4 day block. --VartanM 07:41, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Oh, I didn't mean those. I meant just the quote above from Talk:Sahl Smbatean. Do you have specific diffs of harassment?--Chaser - T 07:45, 8 September 2007 (UTC) If you just meant his reports to the ArbCom enforcement noticeboard, I don't consider those harrassment.--Chaser - T 07:48, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

շնորհակալ եմ

Thank you for the Armenian Barnstar! I did the italian template and prepared the page! շնորհակալ եմ! Erodotos84 19:48, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Armenia-Azerbaijan 2 remedies reminder

Please remember the remedies in the above arbitration case — if you continue to edit war on any pages, you will be added to the 1 revert per-week probationary list. Let me know if the other side is also revert warring and the same warning (which is official) will be extended to them. El_C 20:56, 11 September 2007 (UTC)