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Fistula

I removed the claim that anal sex can cause fistulas. I did a pubmed search and I couldn't find a single claim that this was the case.

Is this article about homosexual intercourse or anal sex?

There seems to be a focus on men having anal sex with each other rather than both heterosexual and homosexual situations. The discussion of pederasty seems deeper than it ought to be for the purposes of this article. The article didn't used to be this way. Trau

Agreed - its back to its former homosexual focus - again! Rgds, --Trident13 11:20, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Technical Virginity

I'm deleting this section (again) becuase its been up for a while now and currently makes a lot of claims with no citations whatsoever,Velps 02:11, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Then try and find some citations, and if you cant then delete it. Dont just delete sections that arent controversial without looking for cites. VanTucky 04:33, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Alright. Velps 20:35, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Escherichia coli

There should be some reference to the danger of Escherichia coli infection that can be transmitted through this practice. 207.195.252.122 17:22, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Please sign your statements with four tildes (~). As far as the danger goes, I'd say most people realize you can get sick from contact with feces. VanTucky 23:19, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

I don't know that it's a good assumption. There is a section in this article in relation to the health ramifications of the practice; adding a sourced note about E. Coli doesn't seem like a bad idea. Considering the severity of the infection, I think it should be added. 207.195.252.122 17:22, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Okay, go ahead and add it to the list of contractable diseases/infections. Try and make a footnote for ease of reference, and be bold! VanTucky 20:52, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

It appears the article is locked to newly registered users. Maybe someone else can add it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 209.59.46.39 (talk) 23:19, 8 May 2007 (UTC).

"Unprotected receptive anal sex is the most risky sexual behavior in terms of HIV transmission"

Uh, can you tell me how? It's only risky if you cut the person's anus, however, you can receive HIV as soon as you insert your penis into someone's vagina, since HIV is transmittable via vaginal fluid...--Tainted Drifter 02:07, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Not even enimas can flush all traces of fecal matter and white blood cells. — Deckiller 02:05, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Scientifically, anal sex is most dangerous because (for a variety of reasons, including that the anus provides no natural lubrication) it most easily causes minor internal injury/bleeding, which therefore vastly increases the risk of HIV transmission. This is not a controversial fact. VanTucky 02:12, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

References need proper formatting

Anyone with spare time please reformat the references so they display properly on most browsers. Long URLs that display as themselves cause problems. use the proper format. I've fixed the links that were causing display errors in the references section, but I didn't do it the right way consistently. Dfpc 03:23, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

US vs. British English

The article currently uses US English. Earlier today someone changed a word to UK English. Switching to UK English is fine but only if it is done throughout the article, not just one word. Of course, direct quotes in the articles or references should be left in the original form. See WP:SPEL. Dfpc 17:31, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Anatomical Homologies

Is it's own section because it is not neccessaryly concerned with penile/anal intercourse, the section people keep putting it in. Other things are used to stimulate the prostate. This is a section about anatomy, and is not a subsection of the section above it. pschemp | talk 17:44, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Arab Islam and anal sex

I have spent the last several years in the Iraq and Kuwait. A not commonly know attitude in the Arab world is “Woman are for babies, boys are for fun”. This is a reference to anal sex for the gratification and male domination of another man being acceptable. The receiver in this engagement is called a “Dewdeckee” (sp), a term that I have only been able to translate to something roughly as the jailhouse term “Punk”. An intimate homosexual relationship is forbidden under Islamic law and while result in death. However young boys are allowed to engage in anal sex with each other up to the age of 15 with no stigma. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 85.31.71.198 (talk) 20:36, 6 May 2007 (UTC).

Unfortunately, that would be classed as original research. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 209.59.46.39 (talk) 23:19, 8 May 2007 (UTC).

Bias

This article seems to be biased toward considering heterosexual anal sex to be normal. I have added a statement to the first paragraph: 'However it is certainly done more by gay men.'. I know this could be said better, and probably with a source. However the preceding text implies that anal sex happens more frequently among heterosexuals. Though more heterosexuals have engaged in anal sex (by numbers), I am cetain they engage in it less often and that need to be said. The way, the truth, and the light 12:56, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

It already did say that. All you have done is introduce repetition. It says "Anal sex is encountered among people of all sexual identities and orientations. While it is reported more frequently among male couples, in absolute numbers more heterosexual couples have anal sex." The sentence "while it is reported..." means that recorded evidence is that gay men do it more often (per couple) but that heterosexals do it more often in absolute numbers. Adding "however it is certainly done more often by gay men" just repeats the first statement in a dogmatic manner. Paul B 13:05, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Actually it didn't. I rephrased it to be less misleading while accurately reporting the source. I think we should probably use a more official source in the lead paragraph, though. The way, the truth, and the light 13:14, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Actually it did. However the rephrasing is problematic because the statistics are changing all the time. Paul B 14:26, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

We have three surveys cited that support the proportion of heterosexuals that have ever had anal sex is around 30%; given that, the claim that 30-50% regularly do it is preposterous. One article in an alternative newspaper (which hasn't been properly cited) can't possibly outweigh three scientific surveys; on that basis, I've removed it. The way, the truth, and the light 17:30, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

It was a quotation from a doctor, who did not say that 30-50% did it regularly. He said that proportion had done it, many of them regularly. The version of the sentence you reverted said nothing about proportions of regular practitioners. Paul B 17:57, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I see now. I was confusing that reference with the edits of another user, User:Haiduc, who had been inserting the claim that 30-50% do it regularly. The way, the truth, and the light 17:59, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Bible Quotes

This article seems to avoid saying outright the Bible's comments on anal sex. It mentions Sodomy and vague references to cities being destroyed, but actually the Bible is far more explicit. "If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads. Leviticus 20:13" Obviously I don't agree with that view in the slightest, but if you are going to have a section about Christianity and anal sex, I believe you should put that in. Of course, the article is protected, so I can't. Could someone do it for me? 129.67.50.195 19:51, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Actually there is a large article on Misplaced Pages about this stuff (http://en.wikipedia.org/The_Bible_and_homosexuality#Leviticus_18_and_20) maybe a link to that in the section would be useful? I assume the same will be true for the other religions 129.67.50.195 19:58, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

I've added the page as a {{main}} link under Christianity. --h2g2bob (talk) 20:22, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

The biblical quotation says nothing about anal sex. Yes, it is reasonable to assume that "lies with a man as one lies with a woman" refers to it, but it's an inference not a fact. In addition, the passage does not condemn heterosexual anal sex, and the other ritual purity rules in Leviticus are generally held to be abrogated in Christianty. Paul B 00:01, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

I've reverted myself and removed the link, as this page isn't necessarily about homosexuality. Plus, we already have a homosexuality and Christianity page. --h2g2bob (talk) 02:30, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

An inference? It's really quite clear cut... But if you don't want that kind of reference then you should take out the whole Christianity section. The whole Sodom section is a bit of an inference itself! 88.110.254.23 09:42, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Fair enough, I guess you have to seperate anal and homosexuality pretty carefully. Though I still think that section needs a bit of work, it is going to be hard to find references to Christian views on anal as they are intertwined with their views on homosexuality. Whoops, my IP has changed. 129.67.50.201 11:01, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

HPV vaccine

The statement about Gardasil (the vaccine to prevent human papillomavirus) should be clarified. In the US, the vaccine is only approved for girls and women 9-26 years of age, while in the UK it is licensed for boys and girls aged nine to 15 and women aged 16 to 26. The statement in the Prevention section "presently licensed for use in children" could be misleading. Waldstein53 08:15, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

I agree so I've removed the mention of presently licensed for use in children. There is no need IMHO to go into so much detail anyway. The HPV vaccine article which I've linked to can go into the detail. Also as there is more then one vaccine I've changed it from the vaccine to a vaccine. Nil Einne 14:24, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

I'd like to add in an anal sex "userguide"

Hi there. I have a wonderful contribution I'd like to add, to the benefit of society with regard to anal sex.

It is a tried and true methodology where I inform the reader on the proper methods of attaining anal sex. Its not a porno or something like that, but i hope to educate people on the proper methods of getting anal sex from a woman because I feel guys out there either dont have access to proper instruction OR really just need someone to break-it-down for them. And since I am quite successful at it, I want to spread my knowledge.

Besides, I want more woman to enjoy the pleasures of anal without having to go through so much of the pain. I have some methods which will accomplish this and I feel Wiki is a great vehicle to reach people. Please let me know what are the necessary steps. While I focus on a hetero-anal situation, I assume it could work on homo-anal as well; I just do not have experience there (I go for girl's butts only).

I can post it so you could review (hey, then you would have the info. lol). We can rephrase anything that is too graphic or porno but I tried to be as scientific yet hip sounding as I can. I feel you need to reach your audience as well as hold a high standard of professionalism in writing.

Please let me know what you think, I seriously would love to contribute. I am a member of Wiki but right now I prefer to be anonymous on this request until I hear back.

Thanks.

--76.104.131.12 17:21, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages is not a how-to manual. Exploding Boy 17:53, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

I disagree, there are many topics here where things are detailed out. I honestly think my content should be given a chance. It is good content and is a topic that lots of people would like to learn about. I feel that I ahve not found anything that REALLY gets at the topic of anal sex with a woman but my experience is invaluable. that is not to brag but to say that those commercial sources are just that, commercial. they only give half of the answer so you will buy their books. But by my posting, I could provide a service of information that will be gratifying to women and men as they explore their sexuality.

Please reconsider. Please respond.

76.104.131.12 19:54, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

If you can change the policy Exploding Boy referred you to above (though discussion and consensus), then maybe you can add it. Otherwise, no. It will be reverted. Sorry! Flyguy649_contribs 19:55, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

The main problem is not WP:NOT, which is does not preclude information of the kind you suggest. The problem is WP:OR which precludes so-called "original research", which essentially means pet personal theories or claims to knowledge that can't be verified. If what you say can be sourced, it might be OK to add it. You could propose text by adding it to the talk page here, or by creating your own user page and putting text for discussion there. Paul B 22:15, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

It still wouldn't be acceptable because, whether it's original research or verifiable sourced info, Misplaced Pages is still not a how-to guide. Perhaps it would be acceptable at Wikibooks? Exploding Boy 22:48, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

You keep saying this, but I don't think it's quite that simple. The WP:NOT#INDISCRIMINATE section refers to adding indiscriminate information, including "tutorials, walk-throughs, instruction manuals, video game guides, and recipes". That does not precude discussion of medical issues and practices. Paul B 23:12, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Well I haven't edited the article for a while, but it used to have a medical section. But this user is proposing to (and I quote) "educate people on the proper methods of getting anal sex from a woman." That clearly falls under "tutorials, walk-throughs, instruction manuals." Exploding Boy 01:28, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Well I guess he wishes to give us the benefit of his expertise with the ladies, but it remains unclear until he actually tells us! Paul B 01:47, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

I don't think there's a particular need. It's obviously original research: he says as much. Exploding Boy 05:08, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Guys, I dont want to cause trouble. I just want to inform people who might be interested in but having trouble with anal sex. My experience is with females, but I suppose the methods could work with males as well. While my writing is original, Im sure some of it is available in anal sex manuals. But I give some more specifics - such as "be sure to listen to the lady. Its your job to determine when she is ready for sex and it is your duty not to rush. The connection between the mind and the female physiology is what you are trying to control, which is one of the many rules of anal sex. So listen to her, connect with her body movements and/or oral expressions as you caress her/kiss her and prepare her for anal lovemaking ... " So forth.

That is just a quick summary of what the writing contains. Of course, we can edit or change some of the language but I intentially have some of it in a coarse manner because I feel you can reach certain people that way and they will continue reading. As far as I have seen/read, there really hasn't been anything published to date which gets down to the issue of properly having anal sex with a woman - especially one who was violated because some guy just stuck it in there and started pumping. I stress things like trust and patience - and once you get this from a girl that likes you and you get her relaxed, then you can pound away, tearing up her insides and forever leaving her in the world of anger against anal and men that want it.

Honestly, my only purpose is to spread what I've found to be the proper techniques for this method of lovemaking. Its not to be proverted or anything negative. I'd like to see the day when you could approach any female and discuss anal sex with her and she would not cringe but instead would be interested because someone like me taught her the correct way.

Let me know, I can somehow post the materials so you can review and determine the best place for it. I do have a user id so I could set up a user web page or some other method. But I'd like to contribute my writings anonymously for public benefit.

76.104.131.12 16:44, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

It's just not appropriate for Misplaced Pages. We don't do instruction manuals. You need to find another place for it. --jpgordon 17:13, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Also, I think we can all agree that "Its your job to determine when she is ready for sex" is a statement that most women wouldn't take kindly to. Whatever, though. If you feel a need to publish this stuff on the web, you're going to have to create your own website. Exploding Boy 23:49, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Censorship of heterosexual buggering

It is unacceptable that this article continues to be used as a vehicle to promote the canard that anal sex is the domain of gay men. The image of the man and woman having anal sex is necessary for balance, and since more opposite-sex couples that same-sex couples practice this form of intercourse, it must appear before any depictions of a same-sex couple. If you do not like this image, find another man/woman image with which to replace it. Haiduc 11:31, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

The problem, Haiduc, is that we can't say that it is an image of anal sex. It could just as easily depict "doggy style" vaginal sex. It's absurd to have an ambiguous image as the principal one. The article discusses heterosexual anal sex in detail. Paul B 11:34, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

As for the claim that "more opposite-sex couples than same-sex couples practice this form of intercourse", I don't think we can say that with confidence. World wide statistics are unavailable, and even in Western countries the evidence concerning numbers and frequency is not clear. Paul B 11:38, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Paul, by that logic, we do not know what "Hadrian" is doing either. He could be diddling Antinous, or it could be intercrural. Let's compromise by getting rid of the leading paragraph image altogether until we can get a confirmed man/woman pairing. As for the statistic, please do not argue ab nihilo. We need to go by what we know, and if you want to restrict that by specifying that the statistics only represent Western studies that is fine. Haiduc 00:09, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

Well I think we can be fairly confident about what Avril intended us to imagine that Hadrian is doing. We can't be confident at all about the other image. There are lots of explicit images of heterosexual anal sex, but they tend to be pornographic photographs. Unambiguous paintings and drawings are difficult to find. I dont know why you are so obsessed by the idea that the lead image has to be heterosexual. We simply have no evidence here as yet about how many acts overall are hetero and how many are homo - even in the US. Paul B 11:34, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

Every so often this article degenerates, then it's pulled back together, then the cycle begins again... The current opening, which suggests that anal sex is most associated with gay men, is extremely misleading. The 10% figure given for heterosexuals is contradicted by other studies quoted in the article, so I question its inclusion at the top of the article, particularly since the study in question is nearly 4 years old now. Exploding Boy 15:37, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

No, the opening doesn't say that. The 10% figure reflects how many heterosexual couples have anal sex regularly, not just those that have tried it once or a few times. Although the source for that figure isn't a very good source, the number seems plausible so I don't want to just get rid of it.

In my opinion, the proper comparison to determine whether straights or gays practice anal sex more would be the actual number of acts of anal sex; on that measure, I'm personally sure that gays would win in the US and most of the world.

This could of course be resolved if we had a source that went into such detail, but such statistics are not available. The way, the truth, and the light 15:56, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

As I said, it's extremely misleading. There's absolutely no way of knowing how many gay men practice anal sex, since nobody can even agree on how many gay men there are in the world. Or is this article talking only about America? And in what time period? The way that statistics and study results are being presented in this article is extremely biased and probably inaccurate. For example, "more heterosexuals in absolute numbers, though their frequency of practice may not be as great" is pure original research: in other words, the fact that more people identify as heterosexual means that larger numbers of heterosexuals engage in anal sex, but gay men still do it more often !!!!!!!!! Exploding Boy 16:11, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

I don't know what you mean. In your second sentence you seem to be saying we don't know anything. If so, how can you say the statistics are "probably inaccurate"? Of course, they may well be. Statistics on sexual practices often are because people lie! But we have to go with the evidence we have, and present it as accurately as possible. As for the absolute numbers line, that's not "pure original research", but it is an inference from the statistics that are availible, at least regarding the US. However, if you think it should be expressed less confidently, or more precisely, suggest better reasoning. Paul B 16:22, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

The article insists that gay men as a group engage in anal sex in larger numbers and more frequently than other people. This is unacceptable because: the studies quoted and compared haven't studied exactly the same populations (that is, they are't reproducible); there don't seem to be studies that specifically compare gay and straight anal sex practices; and it's not made clear which cultures and time periods we're talking about.

The statement "Anal sexual behavior is most often associated with male couples" is original research at its boldest: "associated with" by whom? What does "associated with" mean, anyway? What is meant by "anal sexual behavior"? And why male "couples" and not "men who have sex with men," as just one example? Exploding Boy 16:31, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

The article does not say that; it discusses both gay and straight anal sex. We don't have perfect studies, I agree; but using that as an excuse to substitute in your personal opinions is not acceptable. Finally, I changed 'male couples' to 'male homosexuality'; it more clearly expresses the meaning. The way, the truth, and the light 16:36, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Pardon? The article does say that. I don't know why you bothered to post the above. Instead of responding to the concerns raised, the only thing you've done is accuse me of inserting my personal opinions into the article (which I haven't even edited for months!). Exploding Boy 17:39, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

"The article insists that gay men as a group engage in anal sex in larger numbers and more frequently than other people." Well the evidence would suggest that they do, but nevertheless the article "insists" on no such thing. However, I'm rather surprised that you think it is contentious that male gay couples are more likely to engage in anal sex than hetero couples. It remains unclear just what your concerns are. Paul B 13:01, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

And the evidence is unreliable. I'm not sure why you find it surprising; I'm simply not convinced that sufficient evidence exists to make such claims. Exploding Boy 15:31, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

Of course it is unreliable, that's why we only say "survey A" and "survey B" says what they says. But saying the evidence is unreliable is not the same as saying there is no evidence, or that it is altogether worthless. There's quite a lot of evidence. What is surprising is your apparent belief that there is something problematic about the assertion that it most common amongst gay men. Do you perceive that as somehow homophobic? Why? Paul B 23:37, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

Actually, it's not so much of a problem now that I've removed the rampant speculation on the matter from the intro. Exploding Boy 00:09, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

The "rampant speculation" was a cited statistic. The cite was not of a high quality, but it was certainly not speculation. Paul B 00:24, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

It was rampant speculation extrapolated by some editor here from an opinion piece on a lifestyle website. Exploding Boy 00:42, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

No it was not. The source was written by written by Dr John Dean, specialist in sexual medicine and Dr David Delvin, GP and family planning specialist. user:Haiduc, for whatever reason, seems keen to insist that hetero a-s is more common than homo a-s. However, the statistical evidence can only reasonably be interpreted to state that in terms of numbers of individuals, those who have had hetrosexual a-s very likely outnumber those who have had homosexual a-s, but we can't make reasonable judgements about overall numbers of hetero and homo acts. Paul B 01:04, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

The website was tiscali.lifestyle. It was basically an opinion piece, a how-to, a guide, written by a so-called "specialist in sexual medicine" and a GP. It wasn't a scientific, peer-reviewed study. I don't think Haiduc is claiming that heterosexual anal sex is more common at all. I don't speak for him, but I think we're both saying that we should not be making claims about frequency among any population that cannot be backed up. Exploding Boy 01:28, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

The source and the statement originated with Haiduc. He added it in December last year . So why do you suddenly object to it now? You did not apparently find it problematic until recently. I don't know why you feel you have to sneer at Dean and Delvin as "so called" specialists. No, it is not a scientific peer-reviewed source. But it is a legitimate one. Paul B 01:41, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Also, the title of this section indicates Haiduc's preoccupations, as does his attempt, in this diff, to assert - contrary to the cite - that between 10% to 50% of heterosexual couples regularly practice it, so I don't think he is a model of restriction to claims that can be backed up, especially as he also deleted the citiation while making the assertion. I can only assume that's because he suddenly realised that his own source did not support his POV. . Paul B 11:01, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

BTW, the CV of "so called specialist" Dr John Dean can be found here.. Paul B 11:25, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Why does it matter how long a bad source has been in an article? There's no statute of limitations.

As I told that other user, on controversial articles like this one, the best course of action is to find reliable, scientific sources. Here, that means scientific studies, not the opinions of doctors given in articles they write for lifestyle websites. Exploding Boy 16:01, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

But the point is that it is not a bad source. It's an acceptable source from an individual who is clearly not a "nobody". It is the only source we currently have on the topic. If you can come up witrh a better one that's fine, but I'm having difficulty understanding your argument that's ot's beeter to remove reasonable sources than to find better ones. Paul B 16:14, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

It's certainly not a good source, though:

An estimated one third of gay couples do not include anal intercourse in their lovemaking.

Estimated by whom? Where is it recorded?

About one third of heterosexual couples try it from time to time.

How do they know? And are we talking about heterosexual couples in England? In the UK? In the western world?

It is thought that about 10 per cent of heterosexual couples have anal intercourse as a regular feature of their lovemaking.

Thought by whom? According to what study?

In absolute numbers, more heterosexual couples have anal sex than homosexual couples.

Again, how do they know? Where are they getting these numbers? What are the studies they've done or consulted? Again, this is more or less an opinion piece. It's taken from a lifestyle website. It's not scientific work, just conjecture--it may be informed conjecture, but it's conjecture nonetheless. Exploding Boy 16:29, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

One of the authors is an expert. His is secretary of the British Society for Sexual and Impotence Research and a member of the Executive Committee of the European Society for Sexual and Impotence Research. That makes him a reliable source. We don't need every single detail of the evidence to accept the legitimacy of a source. That's what the whole concept of a reliable source means. The opinion of specialists is precisely what WP:RS is about. I suggest you look at it. Paul B 16:33, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

I think it's fair to say that these statistics should not be presented as scientific results, since they are, as EB points out, clearly just estimates; therefore if it is to be in the article, it should at least be presented as conjectural only. The presentation in the old article was 'are said to practice it regularly', which I think is acceptable. The way, the truth, and the light 17:23, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Removed from article

According to about 10% of heterosexual couples are said to practice it regularly.

This "article" is basically an opinion/how-to piece on a lifestyle website. It's not a study.

Studies have suggested that only about one in three women experiencing anal sex finds it pleasurable.

This study was conducted for Marie Claire magazine. Not known for their reliable scientific studies. Exploding Boy 18:12, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Well, I don't know. I left your substantive changes in for now. I'm concerned though, that this removes information from the article. The second source you removed, for example, was our only source that said that most women reported not enjoying anal sex - not mentioning that could seem like censorship. The removal of the first source, likewise, in conjunction, may give the impression that the number is actually higher than 10%. The way, the truth, and the light 18:45, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

I wouldn't call them substantial. And I wouldn't object to some decent sources to replace the ones that were removed. But as with other controversial articles, we need good, academic sources, not magazine surveys. Exploding Boy 21:12, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Please thread your comments. Also, 'substantive' does not mean 'substantial'. The way, the truth, and the light 22:11, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

What do you mean "thread?" And yes, Substantive does mean substantial: considerable in amount or numbers : SUBSTANTIAL. Exploding Boy 22:27, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

I mean properly indenting your comments with markup (like I've been doing). 'Substantive' did not mean 'substantial' as I used it; that's only one of the meanings listed in that dictionary, and not the most common one. The way, the truth, and the light 22:38, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Comments do not have to be indented ad infinitum. Exploding Boy 22:40, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

No, but you haven't been indenting at all. The way, the truth, and the light 22:41, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Reversions

The way, the truth, and the light: please give reasons for your reversions, and discuss them here. You've had problems with 3RR violations only recently; let's not make this an edit war here. Exploding Boy 22:39, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

No explanation is needed that I can see, as my revision that you reverted twice was simple cleanup. You clearly did not look at it closely before reverting, as you restored an obvious typo and improperly removed a tag.The way, the truth, and the light 09:49, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

In fact, the only problem I can really see is the typo and the missing link. There was really no reason for a fairly major reversion covering several paragraphs, so I'm restoring them (sans errors). I've noticed you're rather quick to revert on this article. Other users rarely take kindly to such behaviour. Correct, don't revert. Exploding Boy 16:04, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Your latest revert not only restored the typo, but also duplicated a sentence. Your argument seems to be that I can't edit your wording, which is silly. The way, the truth, and the light 17:09, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

No, I'm saying correct, don't revert. Exploding Boy 17:24, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

1. Dean, John (2004). "Anal Sex". Tiscali.co.u. NetDoctor.co.uk. Retrieved 2007-04-29. {{cite web}}: Check date values in: |date= (help); Unknown parameter |coauthors= ignored (|author= suggested) (help) "There is a common misconception that anal sex is practised almost exclusively by gay men..."
2. "Les pratiques sexuelles des Françaises" (in French). TNS/Sofres. Retrieved 2007-04-30.Survey carried out by TNS/Sofres in a representative sample of 500 women from 18 to 65 years of age, in April and May, 2002.

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