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			==Inaccurate and tendentious categorisation of Israel-Hamas war==
	== Corrections of Inaccuracies and Omissions ==

			Grouping all of the wars Israel has been involved in since 1948 as one conflict is self-evidently non-factual, tendentious and deliberately intended to inflate the total casualty count (which itself is highly dubious; hundreds of thousands!? Add up the casualties in the 1948, 1956, 1967, 1973, 1982 and then other conflicts does not come close to 300,000). The total Arab casualties in all of the wars of the Arab-Israeli conflict in the Arab-Israeli conflict article is around 90,000. If you're actually saying Israel is a "belligerent in the Yemeni civil war", and then adding all of the deaths from that conflict (given Israel has not struck back at all and is not at war with Yemen or Houthis, and has not caused any deaths in Yemen) is so obviously biased, as is calling Israel a "belligerent" in what are, in fact, unlawful terror attacks by a non-state actor.
	In the column showing location, there are several historical errors:
			I don't know how to do a signature here so sorry User:Idontknowhowtodothissorry ''-- 2 May 2024 2a02:6b6d:1338:0:fd31:8c17:3cf2:3a56''

	In Major Wars:
	The war involving Israel is misnamed and misleading. It was NOT the "Israeli- Palestinian conflict." It WAS named Israel War of Independence. The day after its statehood, Israel was attacked by Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and a formation from Saudi Arabia that fought under Egypt. Under 20,000 died in that war. Iraq and Yemen were not involved, and there were no "Palestinians " or "Palestine" in 1948. The term "Palestinian" was created by Arafat in 1964. The refugees from the War of Independence were called "refugees."

			== Total Casualties for 2023 and 2024 of Israel-Gaza and Israel-Lebanon War double counts casualties again==
	(The attacks on Israel from "refugees" began in the 1950s. The attacks on Christians and Jews in the area (now Israel) before statehood were from "Arabs" living in the region beginning with Arab Colonialism in the 7th century.)


			According to the UN impact report, the total casualties of the Israel Gaza war are 45,000 for both years. Casualties for Lebanon total 3,000. Therefore a total equaling 53,000 to 63,000 over counts casualties by 5,000-15,000.

			2023 casualties should be 22,000 or so, and 2024 should be 26,000.
	In Wars (1,000- 9,999):
	Israel is incorrectly shown as involved in the area 2014 Yemeni Civil War. Israel was not involved nor in any way related to the cause of this conflict. Placing Israel in this conflict as a location is both misleading and revisionist.

			https://www.ochaopt.org/content/reported-impact-snapshot-gaza-strip-17-december-2024
	Yemen's current attacks are a new conflict and not just limited to Israel and include Saudi Arabia, US, Pakistan, Norway, UK, and Panama. Those countries should be included in "location" for 2023.

			https://apnews.com/article/israel-lebanon-hezbollah-death-toll-798b846237a24ed37490ea29bd4e3aba <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 13:00, 24 December 2024 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

	In the Minor Deaths Conflict.

			Note that the Upsala Conflict Database--cited by the wikipedia page here as a source--actually concurs with the lower numbers I mentioned.
	In the 1948 Israeli-Lebanonese conflict, there is an icon and link to the Palestinian flag. There is no country named "Palestine" now, and there wasn't one in 1948. The 1948 attack on Israel by Lebanon had nothing to do with "Palestinians." By including an incorrect reference to them, the site contains revisionist history.

			In other words, by both the official UN sources AND the sources cited the casualties listed as incorrect. We could perhaps chalk this up to the page editor not clicking the dis-aggregated view of the data, but given the frequency of tendentious casualty reporting on this subject, where, for example, 50,000 casualties from the Lebanon War are attributed to Israel despite them occurring before Israel entered the war--which, again, is what the sources cited themselves indicated--I am skeptical.
	The Palestinian flag is incorrectly shown as being a country and participant in this war. The term "Palestinian" became a reference to refugees of this war in 1964 by Arafat.

			https://ucdp.uu.se/year/2023

			It also seems that this database was incorrectly cited, as indicating casualties rather than attacks
	In Deaths by Country
			https://acleddata.com/2024/10/10/israels-gaza-middle-east-a-year-in-numbers/

			As their own casualty estimate is " This brought the total fatality toll of Palestinians killed since 7 October 2023 to more than 45,000. While the IDF pressed on with a grinding war in Gaza, the intensity of its operations decreased as Israel gained greater operational control over the Gaza Strip. Israeli forces targeted all five governorates of Gaza, but the highest number of attacks hit Gaza City and Dayr al-Balah. "
	"Palestine" is not a country and is the only inclusion of an ethnic group. Please remove or reclassify it to what it currently really is.

			This means literally every source cited contradicts the number presented!

			Please change the estimates to their correct numbers of 22,000 and 26,000.
	Omissions:
	Sahel
	Indonesia
	Philippines
	Taiwon-China ] (]) 08:32, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

			==Prior Double Counting Not Addressed, Current Double Counting Only Worsens the Issue--Official & NGO Estimates put total casualties of IP conflict at about 50,000 smaller, at minimum==
	:The naming of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is not in the scope of this article as this is the name agreed to be used in various other articles on the topic. Furthermore, its inclusion today does not refer to the initial war of independence, but rather the low-intensity conflict between Israel and its neighbors which has seen intermittent flare-ups ever since.
	:Israeli involvement in the Yemeni civil war is tied to Houthi strikes as a result of the ongoing war against Hamas, hence Israel is marked as a belligerent party both here and on the article. Again, this grievance is not in this page's scope since editors here did not make the call to include it as a phase of the civil war in Yemen.
	:Palestine's inclusion in the Israeli-Lebanese conflict has been removed given that the PLO ceased participation decades ago (a fact reflected in the article as well).
	:Palestine is a ''de jure'' state with deaths on its territory due to one or more conflicts listed in this article and, as such, should be included. ACLED, the source of the casualty statistics, recognizes this and thus catalogues deaths which have occurred within Palestine's borders due to war.
	:The Sahel is not omitted (insurgency in the Maghreb under "major conflicts") nor is Indonesia (Papua conflict under "minor conflicts") or the Philippines (civil conflict and drug war under "minor conflicts"). The Chinese Civil War, though continuing under the Cross-Strait conflict, is omitted because no deaths have been recorded in the past or current calendar year as a result of it. ] (]) 09:26, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
	::Why are the wars in Israel and Myanmar both dated back to 1948, while the war in Ukraine is dated to 2022, despite having ongoing disputes dating back to 2014? I understand this article is not the place where this is decided, so where is the place where that decision is made?
	::In all 3 cases, there were triggering events in 2022-2023 with subsequent large scale conflicts involving 10,000+ deaths, so I'm curious what the criteria difference is here for Ukraine in this case. As a reader, I think it is much clearer to differentiate between the immediate conflicts and the ongoing conflicts, for example, with the Myanmar coup leading to an outbreak of civil war. ] (]) 03:27, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
	:::] has the Russo-Ukrainian War entry near the bottom of the table and it is dated to 2014 not 2022, so I don't understand where you get 2022 from? ] (]) 03:32, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
	::::Oh that's right, ok, that makes sense, I mixed something up- ] (]) 04:03, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
	:What is the 'Israel War of Independence'? Independence from who? ] (]) 17:01, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

			Note that even if we use the absurd elevated estimates given producing a 65,000 casualty count, when added to official indices the total for the entire 160 year Zionist Arab conflict is still 190,000. This means even with the inflated estimates provided, the total provided is off by at least 50,000.
	==Inaccurate and tendentious categorisation of Israel-Hamas war==

			http://www.onwar.com/aced/nation/ink/israel/findex.htm
	Grouping all of the wars Israel has been involved in since 1948 as one conflict is self-evidently non-factual, tendentious and deliberately intended to inflate the total casualty count (which itself is highly dubious; hundreds of thousands!? Add up the casualties in the 1948, 1956, 1967, 1973, 1982 and then other conflicts does not come close to 300,000). The total Arab casualties in all of the wars of the Arab-Israeli conflict in the Arab-Israeli conflict article is around 90,000. If you're actually saying Israel is a "belligerent in the Yemeni civil war", and then adding all of the deaths from that conflict (given Israel has not struck back at all and is not at war with Yemen or Houthis, and has not caused any deaths in Yemen) is so obviously biased, as is calling Israel a "belligerent" in what are, in fact, unlawful terror attacks by a non-state actor.
	I don't know how to do a signature here so sorry User:Idontknowhowtodothissorry ''-- 2 May 2024 2a02:6b6d:1338:0:fd31:8c17:3cf2:3a56''

			https://olive-merralee-23.tiiny.site/
	== Time to update with UCDP data for 2023 and before ==
	] data for 2023 was published in 29 May 2024. See https://ucdp.uu.se/year/2023 . As usual, many numbers are lower than in this table.

			https://www.systemicpeace.org/warlist/warlist.htm
	Who has time to update the table? (I often have done it previous years). ] (]) 21:25, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
	:Done. I interpreted "Cumulative fatalities" as by 1 January 2023. Correct? Can this date be written in the table headers?
	:I used the nts instead of ntsh template, because mistakes can easilty be done with hidden values.] (]) 09:19, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

			https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/total-casualties-arab-israeli-conflict
	== Shouldn't the yellow section of the map be 2-99 not 1-99? ==

			Adding together each:
	How do you have a skirmish with only 1 person? ] (]) 00:03, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
			1. Misplaced Pages page estimates of wars
			2. The Uppsala data base of casualties
			3. The relevant UN reports
			4. Israeli Human Rights Groups reports
			5. The Wars of the World Database
			6. The Palestine Human Rights Monitor Group Estimates
			7. The Battlefield Inequality Database cited by the wikipedia page
			8. Israeli and US official estimates of casualties

			Each produces estimates that range from 120,000-210,000 for the period of 1860-2024.
	:It is possible to have only 1 casualty in a military confrontation (or even a ]) involving multiple people. ] (]) 05:03, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

			As stated, even adding the higher estimate of the double counted data for 2023 to 2024 to the prior data gives us a casualty estimate that is 50,000 smaller than the one stated.
	== The Ukraine-Russia war is dated wrong ==

			Please correct the total casualty estimate of 242,000-246,000, since the minimum is much lower and the maximum is 210,000.
	In 2014 Russia was not conflicting party between Kiev and the breakaway former regions of Ukraine. Russia didn't invade Ukraine until 2022. The attack by Kiev on the separatists should be listed separately. ] (]) 16:58, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

			An average estimate of 171,000 would be most in line with the sources. But even stating it as 195,000 which 'compromises' by allowing some double counting and inflation for the sake of rhetorical peace, would be much more accurate than the current statement.
	== Who removed the flags? ==

			Perhaps then list it as 195,000 (171,000-210,000), since this uses the mean as the floor, while keeping the real ceiling. This allows for some arbitrary biasing upward, as a compromise between the truth and the wikipedia editors who, for whatever their reasons, want to use the incorrect estimates. This, at the very least would reduce the error rate from 42% to 14% at the lower end, and 50% to 25% at the higher end. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 13:50, 24 December 2024 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
	Why did someone remove the country flags in the tables? It's harder to navigate the list without the flags, and I'm curious why someone made this decision. ] (]) 05:58, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

			==Double Counting of Casualties in Israel Palestine Conflict--Casualty Rate Should Read 165,000 (110,000-210,000)==

			The table links to a source that includes in its casualty list deaths from the Israel Palestine conflict, but to get the final number the editors added those to the previous number thus double counting them. What's more, the source itself already double counts casualties because it includes dead from the 1947-1949 war twice.

			But, on top of this, the source is confusing but is incorrectly cited. It lists conflicts with parties to them, not the casualties caused by them. Comparing the source to the pages for each of the conflicts in question produces much smaller estimates. For example, read incorrectly, the linked source suggests that some ~58,000 (60,000 across conflicts) people have died in wars between Israel and Lebanon, when even the highest Lebanese estimates are 20,000. Estimates range from 13,000-15,000 at the lower end, and 18,000-34,000 at the higher end (and that's with double counting in civilian and combatant casualties as it is !). This means that EVEN WITH THE SOURCES IN QUESTION, THE CASUALTY RATE OF THE CONFLICT IS AT MINIMUM 24,000 SMALLER, and up to 45,000!.

			When we account for the double counting, this results in a reduction of 14,000-27,000--so the numbers are 38,000-72,000 smaller.

			Adding up the casualty estimates provided on the wikipedia pages for each conflict, before adding the Israel-Palestine numbers gets us a range of 57-115. The Israel Palestine conflict page lists 53-65. Except, more than half of these are already included in the previous estimate. HOWEVER, even if we do not account for this we get a range of 110-168,000. Now if we add the recent Gaza war-which, again would be double counting in part--we would add 43,000.

			This means that even if we triple count Palestinian casualties listed on the wikipedia pages, our total rises to 153,--210,000--and EVEN THAT includes deaths not caused by Israel, double counts many victims, counts missing as dead, and so on.

			Even if we add Israelis killed in terrorism and riots (5-15,000 depending on how we count), Palestinians killed in intra-Palestinian violence (2000), The war of the camps between Lebanon and the PLO (4500--6500) and deaths in Black September between Jordan and Palestine (4000 in official estimates, but Arafat claims 15,000 Palestinians killed by Jordan, which would put the total at 16,000) we would get 15-40,000 more deaths and that would put our total at 168-250,000.

			While the latter estimate is larger than the one listed on the page, this one includes 25,000 Palestinians killed by Lebanese, Jordanian, and Palestinian forces, it double counts a portion of Israeli terror victims (soldiers who died in terror attacks are listed in both war and civilian casualty estimates, and thus over state the estimates), while taking the higher estimate of those dead--thus increasing the estimate by up to 30,000.

			It double counts the dead prior to 1948, it double counts the dead in the 47-49 war, it triple counts Palestinian casualties in wars since the first intifada, it counts all those who have died in Lebanese wars, even those who were not killed by Israel (indeed including even those who died in wars before Israel even got involved!), it takes the higher estimates of dead in every conflict, even where US, & Israel estimates VASTLY lower, UN estimates are much lower, and independent Arab state & Human Rights organization estimates are somewhat lower.

			The double and triple counting adds 35,000-80,000 deaths. Taking the highest estimates adds 57,000.

			Notably, adding together the total casualties from more reliable sources gets us 122,000 before the recent war, and then 43,000 for the recent war, bringing us to 165,000!

			Notice, this brings us a very similar estimate to taking the lower estimate from all the respective wikipedia pages for each of the episodes of the Israel Palestine conflict.

			Since independent sourcing leads to a similar estimate to the one produced by using other wikipedia sources at the lower end, this is a good indicator it is of reliability, especially since getting the higher estimates requires that up to 14% (35/250) - 40% (80/193) of the casualties attributed are Palestinians, Lebanese, Syrians and Jordanians killed by other Palestinians, Lebanese, Syrians, and Jordanians, and it requires taking the higher estimate in every case, which accounts for 23% (57/250) -- 50% (58/115) of the deaths. If 55% of a casualty estimate ((57+80)/250) depends on attributing deaths of people killed by other states, and taking the higher estimate of casualties in every single case, chances are the estimate is off!

			Thus, the page here:
			1. incorrectly cites a source
			2. misrepresents that sources claims
			3. cites a source which itself engages in double counting and unclear attribution
			4. does not line up with the other wikipedia pages' conflict estimates or those of their sources EVEN AT THEIR HIGHER END
			5. to be true requires an estimate that requires 14-40% of the deaths be those caused by other states, and 23-50% of the casualty estimates are due to taking the higher range of each estimate, with a combined effect that 55% of casualties are tendentiously attributed
			6. does not line up with independent sourcing

			Meanwhile, another estimate (165,000), which:
			1. Uses independent sources
			2. Minimizes double counting
			3. Only attributes deaths caused by Israel
			4. Lines up with the lower estimates of the relevant wikipedia pages and their sources
			5. Is self consistent
			6. Strikes a moderate balance between the estimates of US, Israel, UN, Arab League, Hamas, PLO, Hezbollah, Jordan, Egypt, Syria, academics and so on
			7. Lines up with the cited source for this wikipedia page IF considerations are taken to interpret it correctly (which would give us a base of 114-159,000, to which we would add the 43,000 of the recent war, giving us 157,000--210,000

			Thus, the estimate of 165,000 lines up with the:
			1. Other wikipedia pages
			2. Their sources
			3. Independent sources
			4. The VERY SOURCE USED FOR THIS PAGE if properly interpreted

			THUS EVEN BY THE STANDARDS OF THE SOURCES CITED THE ESTIMATE GIVEN ON THE PAGE IS INFLATED BY 50%! A FULL THIRD OF THE CASUALTIES LISTED ARE IMPROPERLY ATTRIBUTED OR COMPLETELY FABRICATED !

			This does not require using Israeli or US estimates (which are lower than the 165,000 estimate!). In fact, it holds even if we use the estimates of Arab states (the highest ones--which would produce at the highest 210,000 as above), human rights organizations (the second highest), or scholarly academic sources (those in the median range).

			US and Israeli sources would give us a total estimate somewhere near 100-120,000

			UN, Human Rights organization and Academic sources give us our middle range of 165,000.

			The highest estimates give us a total of 210,000.

			Notice further that the middle range estimate of 165,000 is roughly the mean of the lower, medium, and high estimates. This is further indication of its validity since it balances opposed viewpoints and expertises.

			Thus, the casualty range for the Israel Palestine conflict should--to be charitable to all the different perspectives and viewpoints--read something like:

			Deaths:

			165,000 (110,000--210,000)

			Not the current 230-241,000 which is false even on its own terms!




			Source used by article <ref>
			https://www.systemicpeace.org/warlist/warlist.htm </ref>

			Other sources:
			<ref>
			https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/total-casualties-arab-israeli-conflict
			</ref>

			<ref>
			https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/comprehensive-listing-of-terrorism-victims-in-israel </ref>

			<ref> https://en.wikipedia.org/Six-Day_War </ref>

			<ref> https://en.wikipedia.org/War_of_Attrition </ref>

			<ref> https://en.wikipedia.org/1948_Arab%E2%80%93Israeli_War </ref>
			<ref> https://en.wikipedia.org/Israeli%E2%80%93Palestinian_conflict </ref>
			<ref> https://en.wikipedia.org/Yom_Kippur_War </ref>

			<ref> https://en.wikipedia.org/Israeli%E2%80%93Lebanese_conflict </ref>

			I made a table of the estimates given in the source linked for this page, and added below it the estimates given by other wikipedia pages:

			<ref>https://olive-merralee-23.tiiny.site/</ref> ''<big>-- 20:14, 24 September 2024 38.130.70.73</big>''

			{{Reflist-talk}}

	== Change the minimum estimate of those killed in the conflict in Ukraine to 120,000+ ==		== Change the minimum estimate of those killed in the conflict in Ukraine to 120,000+ ==
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	You have some 100,000 victims listed, it can no longer be such a low estimate, I ask you to remove this		You have some 100,000 victims listed, it can no longer be such a low estimate, I ask you to remove this

	== ~~Islamic~~ ~~insurgency~~ in ~~russia~~ ==		== The Papua conflict location ==

			the Papua conflict is not on Asia, but on Oceania because is on the island of new Guinea, that is part of the continent of Oceania. ] (]) 06:06, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

			== Total fatalities for Islamic State insurgency in the North Caucasus is incorrect ==

			The source cited for total fatalities appears to be the fatalities for the first and second Chechen wars, not the ongoing insurgency. Total casualties for conflict according to the linked page appears to be around a thousand. ] (]) 19:01, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

			== Arab Israel conflict ==

			Iran and proxies conflict with Israel isn't really part of arab Israeli conflict.

			It should be in another category of Iran - Israel conflict, and maybe also part of Israel Palestine conflict, this war is lead by Iran and Hamas which are tied more to their religious! and national identities then their respective iranian and arab ones. ] (]) 20:32, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

			== Ending 2024’s article and creating 2025’s article ==

			I suggest to anyone who edits this page. Please make sure that all the proper updates are made since the year is almost over and consider making 2025’s article. The world has changed so much since January. ] (]) 19:37, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

			:It's been taken care of. ] (]) 14:05, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

			== Mozambican election crisis ==

			There's an uprising in major cities against FRELIMO, with hundreds of deaths already recorded. This should be included in the article. ] (]) 09:54, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

			== Ethiopian civil conflict ==

			The number we have was taken on December 4th, and was just a few below the 10k margin. Maybe we should get an updated one because it's statistically extremely likely it passed it ] (]) 03:35, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

			:Will be updated as soon as new data are available. ] (]) 16:28, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

			== Move Ethiopia to the Major Wars category ==

	~~There~~ ~~has~~ ~~not~~ ~~been~~ 0 ~~casualties~~ ~~this~~ ~~year~~ in ~~the~~ ~~Islamic~~ ~~insurgence~~ in the ~~north~~ ~~caucuses~~. ~~This~~ is ~~proven~~ by ~~the~~ ~~crocus~~ ~~city~~ ~~hall~~ ~~attack~~ ~~which~~ ~~was~~ ~~perpetrated~~ ~~by isis and killed 145~~ people. ~~The~~ ~~recent~~ ~~Dagestan~~ ~~attack~~ ~~may~~ ~~have also been an Islamic state attack~~ ] (]) 08:28, 24 ~~June~~ ~~2024~~ (UTC)		On December 4th 2024, it was 9985 deaths. That number wasn't updated in the last month. On average 900 people were dying per month. Are we seriously saying 15 people didn't die from December 5th-December 31st? ] (]) 01:13, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

			:It will be updated when the newest data are available. ] (]) 16:29, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
	== Can someone make Belarus yellow on the map? ==

			== Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 16 January 2025 ==
	Dozens of deaths a year from Partisan activity and border skirmishes, and they were a belligerant in the Russo-Ukrainian War by letting Russia have military access in Phase 1 and then supplying tanks and artillery since. ] (]) 18:15, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

			{{edit extended-protected\|List of ongoing armed conflicts\|answered=no}}
	== Russia ==
			Israel-Hamas war is now in ceasefire which could lead to changing geopolitics in the region. Is it possible to put up a notice for the same for the time being, until we have confirmed news? ] (]) 00:31, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

			== Why is Israel italicized? ==
	Why is there no russia casulties data? I dont belive that they dont lose troops in the conflict since 2023 ] (]) 19:30, 15 August 2024 (UTC)

			I may be wrong, but I believe that this is because this article claims that the legitimacy of Israel as a nation is in question. Whilst there are valid objections to Israel’s conduct in Gaza, Israel is officially recognized by the UN as a country, whether you like it or not. As such, it should not be italicized in the same way that Western Sahara is. ] (]) 05:01, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
	:I might be misunderstanding, but the statistics in the table already reflect combined Ukrainian + Russian casualties.
	:If you mean the "]" section, it hasn't been updated for 2024 because the year isn't over. ] (]) 04:58, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

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Q56312857	Counter-terrorist operation regime		Belgorod Oblast	Russia	2023-05-22			military occupation armed conflict
Q116608868	Dnieper campaign			Ukraine	2022-09-01			armed conflict				liberation of Kherson destruction of the Kakhovka Dam
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Q65070966	ISIL–Taliban conflict		Afghanistan	Afghanistan	2015-11-11	1547		armed conflict sectarian violence					Battle of Darzab (2018) 2021 Kabul airport attack
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Q619749	Kurdish–Turkish conflict		Eastern Anatolia Region Southeastern Anatolia Region Syria–Turkey border Kurdistan Region		1978-11			ethnic conflict armed conflict conflict
Q18702324	Libyan Crisis			Libya	2011-02-15			political crisis civil war humanitarian crisis					Libyan Civil War Second Libyan Civil War
Q303801	Lord's Resistance Army insurgency				1987			war
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Q110665625	Operation Bamenda Clean		Bamenda		2020-09-08			armed conflict
Q85792714	Pemon conflict			Venezuela	2016			armed conflict
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Inaccurate and tendentious categorisation of Israel-Hamas war

Grouping all of the wars Israel has been involved in since 1948 as one conflict is self-evidently non-factual, tendentious and deliberately intended to inflate the total casualty count (which itself is highly dubious; hundreds of thousands!? Add up the casualties in the 1948, 1956, 1967, 1973, 1982 and then other conflicts does not come close to 300,000). The total Arab casualties in all of the wars of the Arab-Israeli conflict in the Arab-Israeli conflict article is around 90,000. If you're actually saying Israel is a "belligerent in the Yemeni civil war", and then adding all of the deaths from that conflict (given Israel has not struck back at all and is not at war with Yemen or Houthis, and has not caused any deaths in Yemen) is so obviously biased, as is calling Israel a "belligerent" in what are, in fact, unlawful terror attacks by a non-state actor. I don't know how to do a signature here so sorry User:Idontknowhowtodothissorry -- 2 May 2024 2a02:6b6d:1338:0:fd31:8c17:3cf2:3a56

Total Casualties for 2023 and 2024 of Israel-Gaza and Israel-Lebanon War double counts casualties again

According to the UN impact report, the total casualties of the Israel Gaza war are 45,000 for both years. Casualties for Lebanon total 3,000. Therefore a total equaling 53,000 to 63,000 over counts casualties by 5,000-15,000.

2023 casualties should be 22,000 or so, and 2024 should be 26,000.

https://www.ochaopt.org/content/reported-impact-snapshot-gaza-strip-17-december-2024

https://apnews.com/article/israel-lebanon-hezbollah-death-toll-798b846237a24ed37490ea29bd4e3aba — Preceding unsigned comment added by 38.130.70.120 (talk) 13:00, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

Note that the Upsala Conflict Database--cited by the wikipedia page here as a source--actually concurs with the lower numbers I mentioned.

In other words, by both the official UN sources AND the *sources cited* the casualties listed as incorrect. We could perhaps chalk this up to the page editor not clicking the dis-aggregated view of the data, but given the frequency of tendentious casualty reporting on this subject, where, for example, 50,000 casualties from the Lebanon War are attributed to Israel despite them occurring before Israel entered the war--which, again, is what the sources cited themselves indicated--I am skeptical.

https://ucdp.uu.se/year/2023

It also seems that this database was incorrectly cited, as indicating casualties rather than attacks https://acleddata.com/2024/10/10/israels-gaza-middle-east-a-year-in-numbers/

As their own casualty estimate is " This brought the total fatality toll of Palestinians killed since 7 October 2023 to more than 45,000. While the IDF pressed on with a grinding war in Gaza, the intensity of its operations decreased as Israel gained greater operational control over the Gaza Strip. Israeli forces targeted all five governorates of Gaza, but the highest number of attacks hit Gaza City and Dayr al-Balah. "

This means literally every source cited contradicts the number presented!

Please change the estimates to their correct numbers of 22,000 and 26,000.

Prior Double Counting Not Addressed, Current Double Counting Only Worsens the Issue--Official & NGO Estimates put total casualties of IP conflict at about 50,000 smaller, at minimum

Note that even if we use the absurd elevated estimates given producing a 65,000 casualty count, when added to official indices the total for the entire 160 year Zionist Arab conflict is still 190,000. This means even with the inflated estimates provided, the total provided is off by at least 50,000.

http://www.onwar.com/aced/nation/ink/israel/findex.htm

https://olive-merralee-23.tiiny.site/

https://www.systemicpeace.org/warlist/warlist.htm

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/total-casualties-arab-israeli-conflict

Adding together each: 1. Misplaced Pages page estimates of wars 2. The Uppsala data base of casualties 3. The relevant UN reports 4. Israeli Human Rights Groups reports 5. The Wars of the World Database 6. The Palestine Human Rights Monitor Group Estimates 7. The Battlefield Inequality Database cited by the wikipedia page 8. Israeli and US official estimates of casualties

Each produces estimates that range from 120,000-210,000 for the period of 1860-2024.

As stated, even adding the higher estimate of the double counted data for 2023 to 2024 to the prior data gives us a casualty estimate that is 50,000 smaller than the one stated.

Please correct the total casualty estimate of 242,000-246,000, since the minimum is much lower and the maximum is 210,000.

An average estimate of 171,000 would be most in line with the sources. But even stating it as 195,000 which 'compromises' by allowing some double counting and inflation for the sake of rhetorical peace, would be much more accurate than the current statement.

Perhaps then list it as 195,000 (171,000-210,000), since this uses the mean as the floor, while keeping the real ceiling. This allows for some arbitrary biasing upward, as a compromise between the truth and the wikipedia editors who, for whatever their reasons, want to use the incorrect estimates. This, at the very least would reduce the error rate from 42% to 14% at the lower end, and 50% to 25% at the higher end. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 38.130.70.120 (talk) 13:50, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

Double Counting of Casualties in Israel Palestine Conflict--Casualty Rate Should Read 165,000 (110,000-210,000)

The table links to a source that includes in its casualty list deaths from the Israel Palestine conflict, but to get the final number the editors added those to the previous number thus double counting them. What's more, the source itself already double counts casualties because it includes dead from the 1947-1949 war twice.

But, on top of this, the source is confusing but is incorrectly cited. It lists conflicts with parties to them, not the casualties caused by them. Comparing the source to the pages for each of the conflicts in question produces much smaller estimates. For example, read incorrectly, the linked source suggests that some ~58,000 (60,000 across conflicts) people have died in wars between Israel and Lebanon, when even the highest Lebanese estimates are 20,000. Estimates range from 13,000-15,000 at the lower end, and 18,000-34,000 at the higher end (and that's with double counting in civilian and combatant casualties as it is !). This means that EVEN WITH THE SOURCES IN QUESTION, THE CASUALTY RATE OF THE CONFLICT IS AT MINIMUM 24,000 SMALLER, and up to 45,000!.

When we account for the double counting, this results in a reduction of 14,000-27,000--so the numbers are 38,000-72,000 smaller.

Adding up the casualty estimates provided on the wikipedia pages for each conflict, before adding the Israel-Palestine numbers gets us a range of 57-115. The Israel Palestine conflict page lists 53-65. Except, more than half of these are already included in the previous estimate. HOWEVER, even if we do not account for this we get a range of 110-168,000. Now if we add the recent Gaza war-which, again would be double counting in part--we would add 43,000.

This means that even if we triple count Palestinian casualties listed on the wikipedia pages, our total rises to 153,--210,000--and EVEN THAT includes deaths not caused by Israel, double counts many victims, counts missing as dead, and so on.

Even if we add Israelis killed in terrorism and riots (5-15,000 depending on how we count), Palestinians killed in intra-Palestinian violence (2000), The war of the camps between Lebanon and the PLO (4500--6500) and deaths in Black September between Jordan and Palestine (4000 in official estimates, but Arafat claims 15,000 Palestinians killed by Jordan, which would put the total at 16,000) we would get 15-40,000 more deaths and that would put our total at 168-250,000.

While the latter estimate is larger than the one listed on the page, this one includes 25,000 Palestinians killed by Lebanese, Jordanian, and Palestinian forces, it double counts a portion of Israeli terror victims (soldiers who died in terror attacks are listed in both war and civilian casualty estimates, and thus over state the estimates), while taking the higher estimate of those dead--thus increasing the estimate by up to 30,000.

It double counts the dead prior to 1948, it double counts the dead in the 47-49 war, it triple counts Palestinian casualties in wars since the first intifada, it counts all those who have died in Lebanese wars, even those who were not killed by Israel (indeed including even those who died in wars before Israel even got involved!), it takes the higher estimates of dead in every conflict, even where US, & Israel estimates VASTLY lower, UN estimates are much lower, and independent Arab state & Human Rights organization estimates are somewhat lower.

The double and triple counting adds 35,000-80,000 deaths. Taking the highest estimates adds 57,000.

Notably, adding together the total casualties from more reliable sources gets us 122,000 before the recent war, and then 43,000 for the recent war, bringing us to 165,000!

Notice, this brings us a very similar estimate to taking the lower estimate from all the respective wikipedia pages for each of the episodes of the Israel Palestine conflict.

Since independent sourcing leads to a similar estimate to the one produced by using other wikipedia sources at the lower end, this is a good indicator it is of reliability, especially since getting the higher estimates requires that up to 14% (35/250) - 40% (80/193) of the casualties attributed are Palestinians, Lebanese, Syrians and Jordanians killed by other Palestinians, Lebanese, Syrians, and Jordanians, and it requires taking the higher estimate in every case, which accounts for 23% (57/250) -- 50% (58/115) of the deaths. If 55% of a casualty estimate ((57+80)/250) depends on attributing deaths of people killed by other states, and taking the higher estimate of casualties in every single case, chances are the estimate is off!

Thus, the page here: 1. incorrectly cites a source 2. misrepresents that sources claims 3. cites a source which itself engages in double counting and unclear attribution 4. does not line up with the other wikipedia pages' conflict estimates or those of their sources *EVEN AT THEIR HIGHER END* 5. to be true requires an estimate that requires 14-40% of the deaths be those caused by other states, and 23-50% of the casualty estimates are due to taking the higher range of each estimate, with a combined effect that 55% of casualties are tendentiously attributed 6. does not line up with independent sourcing

Meanwhile, another estimate (165,000), which: 1. Uses independent sources 2. Minimizes double counting 3. Only attributes deaths caused by Israel 4. Lines up with the lower estimates of the relevant wikipedia pages and their sources 5. Is self consistent 6. Strikes a moderate balance between the estimates of US, Israel, UN, Arab League, Hamas, PLO, Hezbollah, Jordan, Egypt, Syria, academics and so on 7. Lines up with the cited source for this wikipedia page *IF* considerations are taken to interpret it correctly (which would give us a base of 114-159,000, to which we would add the 43,000 of the recent war, giving us 157,000--210,000

Thus, the estimate of 165,000 lines up with the: 1. Other wikipedia pages 2. Their sources 3. Independent sources 4. The *VERY SOURCE USED FOR THIS PAGE* if properly interpreted

THUS EVEN BY THE STANDARDS OF THE SOURCES CITED THE ESTIMATE GIVEN ON THE PAGE IS INFLATED BY 50%! A FULL THIRD OF THE CASUALTIES LISTED ARE IMPROPERLY ATTRIBUTED OR COMPLETELY FABRICATED !

This does not require using Israeli or US estimates (which are *lower* than the 165,000 estimate!). In fact, it holds even if we use the estimates of Arab states (the highest ones--which would produce at the highest 210,000 as above), human rights organizations (the second highest), or scholarly academic sources (those in the median range).

US and Israeli sources would give us a total estimate somewhere near 100-120,000

UN, Human Rights organization and Academic sources give us our middle range of 165,000.

The highest estimates give us a total of 210,000.

Notice further that the middle range estimate of 165,000 is roughly the mean of the lower, medium, and high estimates. This is further indication of its validity since it balances opposed viewpoints and expertises.

Thus, the casualty range for the Israel Palestine conflict should--to be charitable to all the different perspectives and viewpoints--read something like:

Deaths:

165,000 (110,000--210,000)

Not the current 230-241,000 which is false even on its own terms!

Source used by article

Other sources:

I made a table of the estimates given in the source linked for this page, and added below it the estimates given by other wikipedia pages:

-- 20:14, 24 September 2024 38.130.70.73

References

Change the minimum estimate of those killed in the conflict in Ukraine to 120,000+

At the moment, according to the minimally recorded obituaries on both sides, the number of deaths should exceed 120 thousand people; the information in the article is outdated: 1) 54,000+ dead on the Russian side https://en.zona.media/article/2022/05/11/casualties_eng 2) 46,000+ dead on the Ukrainian side https://ualosses.org/ 3) 10,000+ civilian deaths https://ukraine.un.org/en/253322-civilian-deaths-ukraine-war-top-10000-un-says 4) there is no point in proving the number of deaths before a full-scale war, I think these numbers are already in the public domain: approximately 14,000 people

You have some 100,000 victims listed, it can no longer be such a low estimate, I ask you to remove this

The Papua conflict location

the Papua conflict is not on Asia, but on Oceania because is on the island of new Guinea, that is part of the continent of Oceania. Delfi707 (talk) 06:06, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Total fatalities for Islamic State insurgency in the North Caucasus is incorrect

The source cited for total fatalities appears to be the fatalities for the first and second Chechen wars, not the ongoing insurgency. Total casualties for conflict according to the linked page appears to be around a thousand. Chiss5618 (talk) 19:01, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Arab Israel conflict

Iran and proxies conflict with Israel isn't really part of arab Israeli conflict.

It should be in another category of Iran - Israel conflict, and maybe also part of Israel Palestine conflict, this war is lead by Iran and Hamas which are tied more to their religious! and national identities then their respective iranian and arab ones. 46.121.26.191 (talk) 20:32, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

Ending 2024’s article and creating 2025’s article

I suggest to anyone who edits this page. Please make sure that all the proper updates are made since the year is almost over and consider making 2025’s article. The world has changed so much since January. 2600:1702:5870:5930:50C6:F0D8:4A3:C3EB (talk) 19:37, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

It's been taken care of. Whitesin21 (talk) 14:05, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

Mozambican election crisis

There's an uprising in major cities against FRELIMO, with hundreds of deaths already recorded. This should be included in the article. 87.196.74.198 (talk) 09:54, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Ethiopian civil conflict

The number we have was taken on December 4th, and was just a few below the 10k margin. Maybe we should get an updated one because it's statistically extremely likely it passed it 2604:3D09:1F7F:8B00:149C:3CA4:EA67:41DA (talk) 03:35, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

Will be updated as soon as new data are available. Whitesin21 (talk) 16:28, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

Move Ethiopia to the Major Wars category

On December 4th 2024, it was 9985 deaths. That number wasn't updated in the last month. On average 900 people were dying per month. Are we seriously saying 15 people didn't die from December 5th-December 31st? 68.144.93.30 (talk) 01:13, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

It will be updated when the newest data are available. Whitesin21 (talk) 16:29, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 16 January 2025

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Israel-Hamas war is now in ceasefire which could lead to changing geopolitics in the region. Is it possible to put up a notice for the same for the time being, until we have confirmed news? The eponomous pen (talk) 00:31, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

Why is Israel italicized?

I may be wrong, but I believe that this is because this article claims that the legitimacy of Israel as a nation is in question. Whilst there are valid objections to Israel’s conduct in Gaza, Israel is officially recognized by the UN as a country, whether you like it or not. As such, it should not be italicized in the same way that Western Sahara is. LordOfWalruses (talk) 05:01, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

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