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== EOKA ==


Thanks for your edits in EOKA. Seems that we ended up in a commonly accepted version. A minor suggestion. You wrote "..the Greek Cypriots seeing that neither the British investment, nor Enosis, had materialised...", you have to clarify which investment you are talking about. Cheers] (]) 08:23, 3 October 2018 (UTC)
== A barnstar for you! ==


:Sorry, my fault, it 's ok! 08:27, 3 October 2018 (UTC)
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:LOL. I had no idea about this barnstar. :) It is a nice-looking barnstar and, coming from you Neil, it is an honour. Thank you very much. Take care. ]&nbsp;<small><sup style="position:relative">]<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.5ex;*left:-5.5ex">]</span></sup></small> 06:01, 17 January 2015 (UTC)
::A well deserved barnstar. It's all too rare that someone actually steps up and adds citations. Thanks for making the point that it is possible! --] (]) 21:18, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
:::Thank you very much Djembayz. I enjoyed your remark about making a point that it is possible to add citations. :) Yes, adding citations is not difficult in many cases, but somehow you see tags all over the place which could easily be removed with a few Google searches. Actually I did not intend to find twenty five citations, at least not at the beginning. But it turned out that with the right combination of keywords the references dropped out of Google like confetti. I couldn't ignore that, and it actually was fun anyway, so I continued to the end. Some tags were there from 2012, although a simple single string search through Google ]. Perhaps there should be an essay on how to find citations but I'm not sure if it would help increase citation-adding at the expense of tagging. Thank you for dropping by. All the best. ]&nbsp;<small><sup style="position:relative">]<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.5ex;*left:-5.5ex">]</span></sup></small> 22:01, 18 January 2015 (UTC)


== A barnstar for you! == == Air France Flight 447 (Part 2) ==


I did follow what you said about not linking the article to flight 771, but now I had a new wat to put it that I couldn't resisting not posting (okay maybe I could).
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|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | ''The Surreal Barnstar is awarded to any user who adds "special flavor" to the community by acting as a sort of wildcard.''<br />Yes, you Greeks are ] (]) 23:51, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
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:Gosh, what can I say? ]&nbsp;<small><sup style="position:relative">]<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.5ex;*left:-5.5ex">]</span></sup></small> 23:18, 21 January 2015 (UTC)


So what should I do? Just cut out the "as it also involved an Airbus A330." Maybe the A330's reputation was damaged briefly until one or both of the investigations was/were complete? I don't know. Also, I doubt this is going to work, and I wasn't sure if I should even add it, but I couldn't take it and I needed your help. (P.S. even though my proposal failed, the responses were still interesting and was a cool topic (if that's the way I should put it because aviation disasters are tragic)). I'm sorry if this frustrates you. Also I saw the rules, but I posted it here because im nervous about what other user will say. I hope that you will understand ] (]) 16:43, 4 October 2018 (UTC)
== Likely BLP violation ==


== Help! ==
Hi Dr.K.—hope all is well. Could you please take a look ]? ] (]) 18:59, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
:Hi Alakzi. I'm very well, thank you. I hope everything is well with you too. I tried to clean up that section. I think using youtube as a source for the BLP should be limited, especially when using channels dedicated to politically attack the subject. If you encounter resistance in the article during any cleanup, you should take it to BLPN for wider input. I'll keep an eye as well. ]&nbsp;<small><sup style="position:relative">]<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.5ex;*left:-5.5ex">]</span></sup></small> 00:45, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
:: I'm doing alright. Thanks for the cleanup, much appreciated! ] (]) 01:03, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
:::Glad to hear you are well. You are very welcome, as always. Thank you for your great work in this difficult area, as well as all the other great things you do for the project. It is always nice talking to you. Take care Alakzi. ]&nbsp;<small><sup style="position:relative">]<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.5ex;*left:-5.5ex">]</span></sup></small> 01:07, 26 March 2015 (UTC)


When you've got time, could you also take a look at ]? I do get the sense that the only way it can be fixed is with a gas canister and a match. ] (]) 17:22, 29 March 2015 (UTC) Hi, could you please help me with the article for ]? Best, JV5, ] (]) 23:36, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
:Hi Joe. Sure, I'll have a look. Take care. ] ] 02:29, 14 October 2018 (UTC)


== Precious anniversary ==
:I did a small cleanup but the body of the article has a lot of details and many Bulgarian sources which make it difficult to verify the material. ]&nbsp;<small><sup style="position:relative">]<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.5ex;*left:-5.5ex">]</span></sup></small> 23:10, 29 March 2015 (UTC)
:: Thank you. Yes, I've had the same problem; mostly, I copyedited for style and tone, and removed the things I thought were obvious fabrications. ] (]) 01:33, 30 March 2015 (UTC)


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:Merci beaucoup, Gerda. As the seasons pass, and times change, it is always nice to see you reminding me of an anniversary as beautiful as this. Au revoir ma chère. ] ] 17:51, 1 November 2018 (UTC)
Could you please help me with the article, ]. ] (]) 10:26, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
:No problem Joe. Take care. :) ]&nbsp;<small><sup style="position:relative">]<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.5ex;*left:-5.5ex">]</span></sup></small> 18:21, 31 March 2015 (UTC)


:: six, avec plaisir --] (]) 08:28, 1 November 2019 (UTC)
== Kudos! ==


:::Ma chère Gerda, quelle bonne surprise. Mais je devrais savoir. Chaque année, le même jour, tu m'apportes le même beau cadeau. Vous avez créé une belle tradition Wikipédienne. Merci encore. À l'année prochaine. ] ] 10:45, 1 November 2019 (UTC)
I like the satirical hatnote above this talk page. {{kjsml}} --] (]) 22:46, 3 April 2015 (UTC)


== Barnstar ==
==You are an admin that is making personal attacks==


Please accept my apologies along with this barnstar. I was not acting in good faith. I thought that you were playing the copyvio card. History teaches that someone should acknowledge his wrong-doings.] (]) 19:15, 2 November 2018 (UTC)
It is disappointing to see admins like you, engaging in personal attacks on users and try to take them out of Misplaced Pages, because they do not follow your own personal agenda on things and are adding value information with evidence. What a shame....] (]) 22:18, 7 April 2015 (UTC)


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:Giorgos, you know I supported you and tried to help you understand the operating principles of Misplaced Pages. Instead you chose to become a sock. I am disappointed, very disappointed. By the way, I'm not an admin. ]&nbsp;<small><sup style="position:relative">]<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.5ex;*left:-5.5ex">]</span></sup></small> 22:28, 7 April 2015 (UTC)
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I will ask Giorgos, but I don't think that he will have something good to say. You have being proven to be the number one personal attacker of the team, that is trying to enforce their agenda on anything related with Cyprus. You could have done otherwise, yet not only you let this team to be trying to enforce Cyprus to look, like the worst criminals house in Misplaced Pages, but as I see you are leading it as well. What a shame.... By the way, if you think that in this country we will not do anything, and we are going to let you and a few other propagandists enforce a portraying of as, as 100 time worst than what we are, you are mistaken.] (]) 22:37, 7 April 2015 (UTC)
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== Και σ' ευχαριστώ! ==

I really appreciate the thank you notes you have sent me from time to time. Coming from an experienced editor like yourself, I feel they do mean something. I am thinking of creating a new SMS language acronym for such occations: BMHHIA - bowing my head humbly in acknowledgement. I take this occation to wish you Χρόνια Πολλά (and, if applicable, Χριστός Ανέστη). Kind regards! --] (]) 09:10, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

== Happy Easter! ==

Xristos anesti and may you have good luck for the rest of the year! Happy Easter! '''] <span style="color:#6A0888; font-style:italic">]</span>''' 11:37, 12 April 2015 (UTC)
:Alithos o Kyrios. Happy Easter to you too Luxure, and thank you very much for your kind wishes. Take care and all the best to you too. :) ]&nbsp;<small><sup style="position:relative">]<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.5ex;*left:-5.5ex">]</span></sup></small> 16:32, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

== New proposal ==

pls see ] -- ] (]) 16:13, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
:Thank you Moxy. I'll have a look as soon as time allows. ]&nbsp;<small><sup style="position:relative">]<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.5ex;*left:-5.5ex">]</span></sup></small> 19:37, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

== Thank you for your kind advice. ==

I am merely informing people who i know are interested in the topic, who are experienced editors to examine the article themselves and to place input. Your right right though, wording may be a bit excessive ! There is nothing that says that contact between wikipedians is forbidden.

] (]) 06:05, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

:Not if the heading is: "IMPORTANT DELETION OF SOURCES IN THE CHAM ALBANIANS ARTICLE BY ALEXIKOUA- Need assistance:" and the identical POV message is pasted across multiple user talkpages. That's called ] and even spamming. ]&nbsp;<small><sup style="position:relative">]<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.5ex;*left:-5.5ex">]</span></sup></small> 06:12, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

::::Like i said, i thank you for your kind advice. I have taken it on board. I was not familiar with those procedures. Its good that you pointed that out for me. ] (]) 06:18, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

:::::No problem. Thank you for understanding. All the best. ]&nbsp;<small><sup style="position:relative">]<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.5ex;*left:-5.5ex">]</span></sup></small> 06:31, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

== Blunders done by user to Samma tribe article ==

Satush have done blunders and you are defending him. he have done blunders to ] and ] articles. If you are making Misplaced Pages a reliable source of information so please don't remove historical information of particular geographical things,places,peoples. I belong to Sindh and Pakistan, where Samma_tribe ruled. see ]. So I know better the history of my region more than anybody else. here its requested to refrain from removing the content of Samma tribe. give Sammat or Samma tribe article its previous status of contents. thanks. Hope you perceive my point of view.--] (]) 05:24, 27 April 2015 (UTC)
:Hi Yogi. I have replied on your talkpage. I hope you understand my point of view as well. ]&nbsp;<small><sup style="position:relative">]<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.5ex;*left:-5.5ex">]</span></sup></small> 05:28, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

== Some help ==

Hiyo, could you please help me with then article, ]. ] (]) 08:13, 30 April 2015 (UTC)
:Sure Joe. Sorry for the delay on the other one too but I haven't forgotten. Take care. ]&nbsp;<small><sup style="position:relative">]<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.5ex;*left:-5.5ex">]</span></sup></small> 09:55, 30 April 2015 (UTC)

== ] ==

Hi, can I interest you and page stalkers in this project? For starting missing articles from other wikis. I'm sure Corfu for instance has more articles on Greek wikipedia. All about addressing systematic bias. If so put your name down on the project talk page and add a tick by your name. Even if not, at some point we'll do some Greek stub of the week drives and will need your input on what is missing!♦ ] 11:50, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

I created a pin map for Corfu, which can be seen in ]. You might add infobox building or military structure to some of the article and a pin map.♦ ] 12:52, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

:Thank you very much Doc. The project is a great idea. I'll check it out as soon as I get a chance. Thank you also for the article on Pontinonisi and the map. Take care. ]&nbsp;<small><sup style="position:relative">]<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.5ex;*left:-5.5ex">]</span></sup></small> 20:20, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

==DYK for European Sea Ports Organisation==
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== Clint Boon ==

Could you please help me with the article, '']''. Thanking you in advance ] (]) 09:15, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
:No problem Joe. However as I am currently on vacation, or at least supposed to be, it may take some time. ]&nbsp;<small><sup style="position:relative">]<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.5ex;*left:-5.5ex">]</span></sup></small> 12:04, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

Hey no problem, man. Now you go and enjoy yourself like a true wikipedian (not in the wrong way!, huh-huh). ] (]) 21:54, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

:LOL thanks. :) Take care Joe. ]&nbsp;<small><sup style="position:relative">]<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.5ex;*left:-5.5ex">]</span></sup></small> 22:12, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

Yet again, no problem. Peace out, wait sorry, Joe Vitale 5 out ] (]) 13:59, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

:Yes, Do it in the Wrong way! haha<span style="font-weight: bold; background-color: #6633ff; color: #ffffff;">]]]</span> 05:34, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

==SPI link==
Hey, Dr.K., if you meant to link the words "this ANI report" in your recent SPI to the relevant ANI report, I think you forgot to. Best, ] &#124; ] 17:30, 15 May 2015 (UTC).
:{{reply|Bishonen}} Hi Bishonen. I did not forget. I was in the process of finding it until I saw the unfair closing remarks of the ANI report. I left you a message about that. I will try to add the link immediately. Thank you very much. ]&nbsp;<small><sup style="position:relative">]<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.5ex;*left:-5.5ex">]</span></sup></small> 17:35, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
::Ah, I didn't see the above before my post; sorry I seem to have beaten you to it. But thanks for your note, and nice to see you again too. :) ] (]) 17:54, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
:::Thank you Ncmvocalist. I missed your presence here so I am glad to see you back in action. I had never before told you that, but I always enjoyed your logical comments and spot-on technical analysis, even in the very few times I mildly disagreed with you. So there. :) ]&nbsp;<small><sup style="position:relative">]<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.5ex;*left:-5.5ex">]</span></sup></small> 18:08, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

== FYI ==

FYI, our recently blocked friend has expanded his latest slander article on ComandoSupremo and named and quoted you, among a few others from his favorite article.] (]) 01:13, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

== A barnstar for you! ==

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|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | You know that you deserve this... So take it!. And with it know that someone out there, like myself, really do appreciate your fine edits. 'Stay Up' & Keep Rocking. ] (]) 08:05, 18 May 2015 (UTC) |style="vertical-align: top; border-top: 1px solid gray;" | Kudos when due] (]) 19:15, 2 November 2018 (UTC)
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:Joe, thank you very much for the honour, as well as your nice, straightforward comments which I greatly enjoyed. :) Thank you also for your constant and tireless work improving so many articles. They are on very interesting topics and thank you for giving me the opportunity to copyedit them. You deserve your own barnstar so who knows. :) In any case don't hesitate to let me know if you think I can help in any way in the future. Take care. ]&nbsp;<small><sup style="position:relative">]<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.5ex;*left:-5.5ex">]</span></sup></small> 10:19, 18 May 2015 (UTC)


:{{tq|History teaches that someone should acknowledge his wrong-doings.}} History? I thought his name was {{ping|Jayron32}} Talking about a ]. ] ] 19:26, 2 November 2018 (UTC)
Could you please help me with the article, ]. ] (]) 21:29, 30 May 2015 (UTC)
::{{like}} --]] 19:29, 2 November 2018 (UTC)


I hate to feel that I'm asking for too much, while giving so little (though I am). However, could you please give your undivided attention to the article, ]. All the best, for being the best ] (]) 18:26, 9 June 2015 (UTC) :::Well, the post of {{ping|Jayron32}} did the trick. He explained it very well. But I do not have a barnstar for him though.] (]) 19:31, 2 November 2018 (UTC)
::::That's fine by me. I don't need to collect ] to validate my work. Thanks for working to make Misplaced Pages better! A better encyclopedia is reward enough for me. --]] 19:34, 2 November 2018 (UTC)


==mail==
:No problem Joe. I'm glad I can help. I'll check it out. Thank you also for your kind words. :) Take care. ]&nbsp;<small><sup style="position:relative">]<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.5ex;*left:-5.5ex">]</span></sup></small> 18:49, 9 June 2015 (UTC)
{{You've got mail}}] (]) 09:30, 4 November 2018 (UTC)


:Hi Cinadon. I have a new plan. A more equitable and stress-free plan. Here it is: Instead of sending these files to me, an action that would make me the sole recipient of the information - with all the responsibility this entails, you can upload the files on dropbox, and provide the link to anyone who cares to check them out. I think this is a much simpler and equitable proposal and removes the responsibility from me to have to analyse and explain the info therein. ] ] 02:51, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
Could you please me with the article ]. Thanks! ] (]) 13:17, 19 July 2015 (UTC)


::Ok, will do.] (]) 07:00, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
:Will do. Btw, I checked the ] earlier in June and I didn't find anything that jumped out to be changed. Take care. Joe. ]&nbsp;<small><sup style="position:relative">]<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.5ex;*left:-5.5ex">]</span></sup></small> 16:13, 19 July 2015 (UTC)


== EOKA article ==
Hi, maybe a little help with the article ]. It seems to be poorly translated from German. Thanks! ] (]) 12:57, 20 July 2015 (UTC)


Geia sas Dr.K., hope all is well with you! I have the article on EOKA on my watchlist and after returning from a (sort of) wikibreak I found it in a very different shape than when I last saw it and I was frankly shocked. I remember it being a well-written and comprehensive article, but now it's got little content on the actual article and lots of text on the talk page... I am skim reading through the talk page, but if I am not mistaken, all that "well-written and comprehensive" text was removed simply because of copyright issues, right? Am I missing anything? Just wanted to check before I jump in editing and commenting :) Regards. --] (]) 02:45, 9 November 2018 (UTC)
:Consider it done. ]&nbsp;<small><sup style="position:relative">]<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.5ex;*left:-5.5ex">]</span></sup></small> 15:53, 20 July 2015 (UTC)


:Hello GGT. You know why it was {{tq|"well-written and comprehensive"}}? Because it was a large-scale copyvio from the (mainly) British sources. Those Brit academics sure know how to write well. ] ] 03:06, 9 November 2018 (UTC)
If you've got any spare time, could you please help me with the articles ] and ]? ] (]) 16:58, 1 August 2015 (UTC)


== Removal of NPOV tag on Armenian Genocide without consensus ==
:No problem Joe. I'll check them out. ]&nbsp;<small><sup style="position:relative">]<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.5ex;*left:-5.5ex">]</span></sup></small> 19:56, 1 August 2015 (UTC)


If you review the talk page you will see there was no consensus for the removal. If you don't restore the tag I will, until there is actually a consensus to remove it. At least 3 or 4 people agreed that at least the Armenian Holocaust label should be removed, at the very least, before the NPOV tag could be removed. The evidence on the talk page is plain as day for anyone to see and I suggest you actually check the talk page before barging into discussions you haven't previously been a part of and making false claims like "nobody agrees with you". ] <sup>(])</sup> 00:07, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
Me again! (sigh), if you've got any spare time, could you please help me with the articles ] and ]. Thanks! ] (]) 10:03, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
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Hello, firstly have a nice vacation! I was wondering where you accessed the Ozkan source, if it was online. Was it Google Books or another website? Apologies for the suddenness of the question, it really appeared like a valuable source that could potentially be useful to elaborate more on the Young Turk aims and methods for the Armenian and Assyrian genocides, or at least have valuable information for the formation of a Turkish Cypriot identity. --] (]) 14:57, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
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:Thank you GGT for your kind wishes. The Ozkan book is at url <nowiki>http://books.google.com/books?id=kCArlsRcHUMC&pg=PA199</nowiki> which means it was found on Google books with full preview of page 199. That's how I was able to add the quote in the citation. Somehow Gbooks is no longer showing me full preview. Not sure why. ]&nbsp;<small><sup style="position:relative">]<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.5ex;*left:-5.5ex">]</span></sup></small> 17:30, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
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Please see response to your comment. Thanks, ] (]) 16:41, 21 May 2015 (UTC)


Hello Dr.K., Could I please draw your attention to the changes made on the ] article made by {{userlinks|Ericulis}}. You have previously warned this user about unreliable sources etc; and they are again using self ] references, copyright pics and starting edit-warring again, as they did earlier this year. Both another editor and myself have warned them to no avail. Can I leave this with you please? Regards, David, ] (]) 22:07, 10 December 2018 (UTC)
== Another of Alexy's socks? ==


:Hi David. Thank you for your note. I reverted and warned them. It doesn't look good. A new account, longterm edit-warring, marking big and controversial edits as minor, while not participating on the talkpage, is historically not a good sign for an easy resolution of this problem. ] ] 03:43, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
Hi Dr.K. Please check out ] if you've got time. ] (]) 18:56, 26 May 2015 (UTC)


== KALISPERA ==
:Funny enough I was doing just that. It doesn't look good but I need more evidence. Thank you very much Alakzi. Take care. ]&nbsp;<small><sup style="position:relative">]<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.5ex;*left:-5.5ex">]</span></sup></small> 18:59, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
:: ], uploads ] photos with ] plastered on top, and edits about ] and other obscure sports in Northern Cyprus. I think we've found ourselves a duck. ] (]) 10:00, 31 May 2015 (UTC)
:::It is a clear duck. Unfortunately I am travelling now so I will not have time for the next few days. If you can open an SPI it would be great, otherwise I'll have to do it in a few days. Thank you Alakzi. Take care. ]&nbsp;<small><sup style="position:relative">]<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.5ex;*left:-5.5ex">]</span></sup></small> 10:09, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
:::: I've let you do all the work again. I should reciprocate - some day. ] (]) 22:09, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
:::::I'm still travelling but I couldn't bear watching what is going on on the EEA and Northern Cyprus talkpages. As far as reciprocating, I think you are busy enough. Keep doing your great work Alakzi. All the best to you. ]&nbsp;<small><sup style="position:relative">]<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.5ex;*left:-5.5ex">]</span></sup></small> 22:15, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
{{Od}} Let's see where ] is heading. ] (]) 16:22, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
: {{Ping|GGT}} FYI. ] (]) 17:34, 14 June 2015 (UTC)
::Thank you Alakzi. Looks like ] play but let's wait and see. ]&nbsp;<small><sup style="position:relative">]<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.5ex;*left:-5.5ex">]</span></sup></small> 19:55, 14 June 2015 (UTC)


Είναι που χρειάζεται να προσθέτουμε τις πηγές και το ξεχνάω κάποιες φορές λόγω ταχύτητας, αλλά ο παίχτης Μεις έχει όντως αποχωρήσει και μόλις ανακοινώθηκε μια μεταγραφή. με συγχωρείς δε θα μου δια φύγει ξανά. Και ο άλλος οι αλλαγές που εφαρμόζει σωστές είναι. Καλή χρονιά και καλή συνέχεια σε ό,τι κάνεις] (])
Please see ]. ] (]) 13:58, 19 June 2015 (UTC)
:{{reply|Alakzi}} Hi Alakzi. Well, you didn't have to but you did reciprocate. :) That is a professionally-done report with clear diffs hitting all the right notes of behavioural comparison. The SPI admins also acted very fast and prevented more disruption which was just the icing on the cake. Thank you very much. I just hope you continue in this field. :) Take care. ]&nbsp;<small><sup style="position:relative">]<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.5ex;*left:-5.5ex">]</span></sup></small> 16:44, 19 June 2015 (UTC)


:As you know, all additions have to be supported by ]. If you can find sources for the Greek players' weights, you can readd these to the article. But not before then. Happy New Year to you too. ] ] 23:01, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
== Greek bashing? ==


== The articles related with Cyprus are full and only, of serious anti Greek-Cypriot POV to the point to incite hatred among Greek-Cypriots and a victimhood culture among Turkish Cypiots ==
Is that when someone drives over my ]? :-o


I have decided to talk to you, since you seem to be the only Greek around here, that may be part of what is going on here. If you are not and you are just a user, you can completely ignore this, it will be completely outside of your influence. The articles related with Cyprus are full and only of serious anti Greek-Cypriot POV, and as back as I go in their history, I see exactly the same. The same POV propaganda narrative enforced here, with all the NPOV users getting banned and all the POV ones to be immuned. Do you plan to do something about it, at some point, or leave it be.?] (]) 01:04, 5 February 2019 (UTC)
Loved the dictionary comment, by the way Doc! --] (]) 00:17, 29 May 2015 (UTC)


== Guidance needed ==
:Hi Kansas. I would never attack a gyro either; it's so delicious. :) How are you? Sorry for the delay in replying but I am on the road lately. Thank you very much for your kind comments. Take care. 10:12, 1 June 2015 (UTC)


Hello Dr.K., I'd like to borrow your insight on English grammar and usage. I am told that a I constructed an invalid sentence in "It is closed with aggrieve." namely because "aggrieve" is not a noun. Can it not be used, in this manner, while "aggrieve" is a transitive verb relating to the object "it"? Please advise. Thank you.--] (]) 17:58, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
::Doing better. Dodging hail, tornadoes and excessive rain lately. Were you visiting ] for a little excitement this year? Take care, Doc! --] (]) 11:20, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
:Hi John. How are you? It's been such a long time since we talked. It is always nice hearing from you. To the subject at hand, the sentence fragment "It is closed with" cannot be concluded with a verb, transitive or intransitive, since verbs indicate some form of action. In this case, even if the transitive verb "aggrieve" had the direct object "it" explicitly stated, the syntax would not have been proper, because doing so would have implied that you are directing someone to "aggrieve" the object, "it". Putting it another way, let's say you wrote: "It is closed with erase it". This statement is incorrect, because there is a disconnect between the action "It is closed" and the command to "erase it". The original sentence "It is closed with aggrieve.", even if informally interpreted, seems to direct someone to "aggrieve ", as a result of the close. I don't think that was your intent in closing that RfC. I hope this makes sense to you. Take care John. ] ] 22:19, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
:::I'm glad you are well. The weather description sounds intimidating but I wouldn't mind experiencing this spectacular phenomenon from a safe distance at least. :) All the best Kansas. ]&nbsp;<small><sup style="position:relative">]<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.5ex;*left:-5.5ex">]</span></sup></small> 22:12, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
::Thank you Dr.K., I appreciate you more than language can say! And though I am well, I am full of regret for failing to inquire, of you, the same; what am I coming to be? While I know you are not one to require amends, I must insist, on the day we break bread, that you allow me the privilege of paying the tab. As to matters at hand, yes, I understand you thoroughly well, and am compelled to say: your prowess exceeds your credentials and could never exist by them alone. It must certainly be that yours is a genuine gift, and I am in awe for knowing its source! Thank you for sharing that gift with likes such as me; to many, a wretch worthy of scorn. Yes, I appreciate you, much more than language ever can say.--] (]) 04:59, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
:::John, thank you very much for your kind words. Coming from you, an editor I greatly respect, they are an honour. Don't feel bad about the social greeting. It is perhaps a fault of mine. Since early on, I had detected a certain lack of social niceties in the interactions between Misplaced Pages editors, which I find rather disappointing. The editing environment here emphasises results rather than idle interactions, and puts pressure on editors to deliver. So, I try to compensate for that as much as I can by paying attention to the social component of affairs here. Far from your self-deprecating comments, I consider you to be an enthusiastic, reasonable, and capable editor who has contributed greatly to this project. It's always a pleasure talking to you, and I hope, as you so nicely put it, to break bread with you some day, even if it is of the wiki variety. :) Take care John. ] ] 08:40, 16 February 2019 (UTC)


== ] == == Copyvio at AOC article? ==
Dr.K., could you point me to the diff(s) where JohnTopShelf committed copyvio? Those edits should be revdel'ed. Thanks. -- ] (]) 04:28, 14 March 2019 (UTC)
:Hi Melanie. I was referring to a sentence in the criticism section that the editor was edit-warring into the article just before he got blocked. The copyvio sentence is ]. There may be more, but I haven't checked. ] ] 04:35, 14 March 2019 (UTC)
::Oh, I see - it's the partial sentence inside the tq. Of course, by posting it there on the talk page, you also committed copyvio! 0;-D For such a short, partial sentence, I'm not going to bother to revdel. Thanks. -- ] (]) 04:39, 14 March 2019 (UTC)
:::Ha, yes. But at least I quoted it directly mentioning the source, so it's fair use. :) I will check to see if there are more copyvios or CLOP in the edit. ] ] 04:46, 14 March 2019 (UTC)
:::{{ping|MelanieN}} Hi Melanie. As I suspected it's much worse. Please see the following strings from ] , , , . ] ] 05:04, 14 March 2019 (UTC)
:::{{ping|MelanieN}} Hi Melanie again. . ] ] 05:13, 14 March 2019 (UTC)
::::Looks like justlettersandnumbers took care of it. -- ] (]) 19:05, 14 March 2019 (UTC)
:::::Thank you very much Melanie for the update. Take care. ] ] 21:16, 14 March 2019 (UTC)


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This is straight internal copyvio from ] by an editor you've encountered, {{user|Artin Mehraban}}, who despite several warning still hasn't a clue about our copyright policy. His comments at ] make it clear that he thinks temporary blatant copyright violation (the article was lifted from a website) is ok, and that slowly changing words can avoid a copyright violation (see his latest edits at ]. He's been adding images that he thinks are flags or symbols and that last link also changed the color of Cyrus the Great's standard.
Hi, this link here is where I had gotten that info from https://www.history.com/news/6-historical-figures-who-may-or-may-not-have-existed that I had added to the Pythagoras page about his existence being disputed. I know you say his existence isn't disputed, but isn't this source reliable? Also why can't I edit the page and what exactly does it mean only autocomfirmed editors allowed to edit this page? ] (]) 10:14, 15 March 2019 (UTC)
It appears to me that there's a serious competence issue here. Do you think it's worth taking to ANI? Thanks. ] (]) 06:56, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
:Hi David. History.com is not a reliable source. Also this fact about the doubt of his existence is not covered in the article as far as I checked. So you cannot put it in the lead per ]. I am not sure about the technical difficulties you experienced in your editing. Which page were you trying to edit? ] ] 10:42, 15 March 2019 (UTC)
:{{reply|Doug Weller}} Hi Doug, thanks for asking. I was aware that this editor has a significant competence issue even before you provided this additional evidence. The only mitigating factor that I see is that he agreed to stop his edit-warring of low-quality, self-made map into the article of the Ancient Macedonia Kingdom. This makes me hope that he could possibly accept some advice and stop the disruption, although it is a rather faint hope. Given the evidence and ] I think that he should be warned that if he continues he will be blocked. Perhaps we could even consider a mentor. If these fail, ANI is the only remaining option. ]&nbsp;<small><sup style="position:relative">]<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.5ex;*left:-5.5ex">]</span></sup></small> 12:08, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
::Thanks. What do you think should be done with the Pahlavi State of Iran article, which is both internal copyvio and external, as I've discovered quite a bit of 2003 copyvio in the original? ] (]) 12:21, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
:::The internal copyvio can be handled by an edit-summary or talkpage notice mentioning the internal transfer. If the external copyvio is isolated it can be removed. If it is spread all over the article and is difficult to remove manually then the article should be stubbed, redirected or deleted. If the article is not deleted the copyvio edits sometimes also get revdeled if they are substantial. ]&nbsp;<small><sup style="position:relative">]<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.5ex;*left:-5.5ex">]</span></sup></small> 12:40, 8 June 2015 (UTC)


The Pythagoras page. The source that I added isn't the only source that says his existence is disputed, as there are lots of others as well. I would guess you would say that those aren't likely reliable either wouldn't you? Maybe they aren't since they also claim people who did exist perhaps didn't, yet they also mention people whose existence is clearly debated. ] (]) 10:51, 15 March 2019 (UTC)
== RE: Nonconstructive edits; Eastern Roman or Byzantine? ==


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The reason why I changed early Byzantine emperors (Arcadius to Phocas) from Byzantine to Eastern Roman is because they ruled at a time when the Eastern/Byzantine Empire still bore a strong resemblance to the Roman Empire of classical antiquity. The Eastern Empire itself would've ended in 610 AD. That's when ] switched the court language from Latin to Greek and reformed the military and administrative divisions from obviously Roman to what are now seen as Byzantine. What existed from thereon was Byzantium. --] (]) 01:45, 11 June 2015 (UTC)
:Hi there. Not sure what the cut-off date is. Perhaps you can ask {{u|Cplakidas}}. Thank you for your message. Best regards. ]&nbsp;<small><sup style="position:relative">]<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.5ex;*left:-5.5ex">]</span></sup></small> 02:08, 11 June 2015 (UTC)


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Why did you send me that notification when currently I am dicsussing at the talk page? ] (]) 20:04, 22 June 2015 (UTC)
:Discussion is good but I just wanted to give you the exact rules of edit-warring since nobody else did and since you have exceeded three reverts on that page. ]&nbsp;<small><sup style="position:relative">]<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.5ex;*left:-5.5ex">]</span></sup></small> 20:07, 22 June 2015 (UTC)


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== Another K-pop article ==
OK. ] (]) 20:32, 22 June 2015 (UTC)
:Thank you Rolandi. ]&nbsp;<small><sup style="position:relative">]<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.5ex;*left:-5.5ex">]</span></sup></small> 20:34, 22 June 2015 (UTC)


I don't want to bother but could you please take a look at ]'s page and this part of the . Obviously there are hardcore fans editing the page and they don't want to listen. I don't think a Misplaced Pages article should mention unconfirmed facts. WayV has yet to be officially announced by SM as part of NCT but fans add them to the page with no reliable source confirming that this new group is actually part of the NCT's system.--] (]) 18:56, 15 March 2019 (UTC)
== ANI και άλλα τινά ==


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:*Hi Thanatos666. When an ANI report disappears with no action it is most likely due to general indifference about the subject matter. Two editors actually voiced their disapproval of the nationality-based attacks on the Greek editors but the matter was eventually dropped. Don't get me wrong. I am experienced enough to know that WP:CIVIL is on its death throes on Misplaced Pages when I was filing the report and I didn't have too many hopes about its outcome. But the reaction there surprised me because I thought that nationality-based attacks merited more attention than simple breaches of civility. I guess I was wrong. I happen to believe that discrimination-based attacks of any kind are the lowest form of incivility. It seems that editors willing to engage in such tactics got off scot-free this time. As far as the wholesale removal of the over 25 KB section on media coverage without any attempt at rescuing any of the information, remember that it was performed by one of the editors who were praised at ANI, but I digress. I personally refuse to engage on a talkpage where Greek editors are viewed with suspicion and which is littered with base nationality-based attacks. ]&nbsp;<small><sup style="position:relative">]<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.5ex;*left:-5.5ex">]</span></sup></small> 17:44, 25 June 2015 (UTC)
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==Expanding article==
== Kosovo indicator in articles ==
Hi, is there any chance that you could expand this article ]. I have expanded it, but perhaps it could still be expanded some more. ] (]) 00:19, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
:Hi David. Excellent work. I checked, but so far many of the sources appear to be in Polish, which is not a language I understand. I think this needs someone with expertise in Polish. Sorry. Take care. ] ] 21:30, 3 April 2019 (UTC)


== Starting a project ==
Many articles have an indicator above Kosovo, like so{{Ref label|status|a|}}. The syntax, <nowiki>{{Ref label|status|a|}}</nowiki>, implies that the status of Kosovo is "a" (I take as meaning "disputed"). However, to a viewer perusing the article and pressing the "a" and seeing nothing (rather like when they press 1 or 2 and see info about references), they would wonder what it meant. I could not find a template relating to Kosovo, so without any info, why is it even there? Upon pressing the "a", would they not expect to see info concerning the Kosovo dispute? Is there even a template for it? Cheers, '''] <span style="color:#6A0888; font-style:italic">]</span>''' 05:54, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
:Hi Luxure. I checked the functionality of the template in the ] article and it works. When I press the it takes me to the note explaining Kosovo's status. Perhaps in other articles the note mechanism at the bottom of the article is missing. I'm not sure if a standardised template for the status Kosovo exists. Best regards. ]&nbsp;<small><sup style="position:relative">]<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.5ex;*left:-5.5ex">]</span></sup></small> 07:21, 30 June 2015 (UTC)


Hi Dr.K. Long time no talk. I was wondering how I can start a collaborative initiative/project where I, along with others can change the details in the article of the city and it's info. (it's been a while though), I discussed how the city of Rome is a city that encompasses two countries, yet infobox details and other details in the article need to be changed to fit this criteria, and don't think I can do it all by myself. Also, how have you been? (] (]) 05:23, 3 April 2019 (UTC))
==Meryl Streep has been nominated for Did You Know==
:Hi N0n3up. Nice talking to you after such a long time. I am very well, thank you, and I'm glad to see you back in action. I'll check the matter soon and will let you know my opinion on this. Take care. ] ] 06:12, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
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== Reports of edit wars and fabricating texts to make them more bias ==
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*''There is nothing in Talk, just you again saying "different period, different period!". But there IS NOT DIFFERENT PERIOD. Tell me what merged with Slavonia in 1868 to create Croatia-Slavonia then? It was the Kingdom of Croatia (Habsburg)!!''
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Which is not a way of communication on the Misplaced Pages. (see: https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Kingdom_of_Croatia_(Habsburg)&action=history). In the '''next article''' (https://en.wikipedia.org/Triune_Kingdom) the user on purpose deleted segments with sourced text which change the article to be more bias. He has deleted a sourced text which first mentions the term in 1527 used in that article, to gave it a more later date. When even another contemporary researcher was added to confirm the text, he has put on both of them the ''Unreliable citation'' sign and deleted part of the text, which now didn't correlate with the source (see source Frankopan title). The user added terms ''Croatian Nationalists'' in 1848 and source the text, citation of users text:
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*''During the ], ] proposed the establishment of the independent Triune Kingdom, which would be a Croatian cultural and political union.''{{sfn|Korunić|1999|pp=12–13}}
=== Edit Wars Warning ===
I have clearly declared my thesis in talk page, I do not receive any response even I ve directed the user reverting my contrb. to talk page section. It is not an edit war, I am trying to solve a NPOV issue. OnlyTheTruth 08:25, 7 July 2015 (UTC) <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) </span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


The same source he mentioned, which is a relevant research article '''doesn't mention Nationalists during 1848 in any kind of form'''! The article doesn't even primarily talk on the subject of Nationalism, which you can see by its name: ''National Programme and Social Changes during the Revolutions in 1848-1849'' and summary.<ref>Korunić Petar, ''National Programme and Social Changes during the Revolutions in 1848-1849'', FFZG, Radovi 31, Institute of Croatian History, Zagreb, (1998), p: 39</ref> Second in the cited pages 12 and 13 doesn't mention in a single word Nationalism. In contrary it mentions liberal and pluralist ideas, as well as the main ideology of ], also it mentions the Sabor and Reformers,<ref>Korunić Petar, ''National Programme and Social Changes during the Revolutions in 1848-1849'', FFZG, Radovi 31, Institute of Croatian History, Zagreb, (1998), p: 12-13</ref> '''in no way associated with nationalism'''. This means that the user on purpose has written a text and added a source which doesn't support nor mention his claim. Then he added another source which was not a research article and had many errors (wrong year of the Illyrian movement (1848 instead of 1843), wrong year of ''Matica Hrvatska'', wrong data of successor political parties) but in the end doesn't mention the term ''Croatian Nationalist'' which is used by the user in case of 1848 and the Austro-Slavic movement and prior to it, the Pan-Slavic Illyrian movement. In any case this is a major breach of Misplaced Pages policies, especially in regards of '''fabricating texts!'''
== Cats will take over the World one day ==


Another problem is regarding Personal insults! The user in the mentioned TALK page used personal insults to other editors (citation);
We already have. - ] (]) 06:27, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
*''If you acctually had any reading comprehension''
:LOL. I never thought of you as a cat. Now I realise how wrong I was. :) ]&nbsp;<small><sup style="position:relative">]<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.5ex;*left:-5.5ex">]</span></sup></small> 06:33, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
as well as
*''Learn to read before coming to english wikipedia''.


::I was born human, but now I identify as a cat. ;) - ] (]) 06:37, 9 July 2015 (UTC) So dear administrator ] I would like you to review all the mentioned, which is present in the linked descriptions and moderate in this question. SY dr.sc.] (]) 08:06, 5 April 2019 (UTC)


:::I can't do that. I know cats are the real masters of the world so I am resigned in my role as just a human. I'm just grateful they tolerate me. :) ]&nbsp;<small><sup style="position:relative">]<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.5ex;*left:-5.5ex">]</span></sup></small> 06:43, 9 July 2015 (UTC)


::I will reiterate what I just wrote in the ''talk'' for the '*Triune Kingdom''
::::I used to feel that way too. Then I realized that I really am a cat in human form. I don't wear ears and a tail though, as I'm usually undercover as a human in my work for the CIA - Cat Intelligence Agency. - ] (]) 06:52, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
::Im not trying to insult, but clearly do not have a very good grasp of English (or a very free interpretation of the language...). Since the first source does indeed not mention nationalism, nor do I have claimed that does. That is simply another source related to the sentence relating to the nationalists and sabor pushing for autonomy during the revolutions, with this source being specifically for the claim for the Sabor, so that is irrelevant to your point. Secondly, the second source (for the "nationalist" claim)(although it would be quite ovious since the ] was a "national awakening" pushing for Croatian culture, language and territorial gains and autonomy) quite clearly states they are Illyrianists are considered "the first stage of Croatian nationalism", again:


::The Book: ''Encyclopedia of Nationalism, Volume II'', Chapter: Croatian Nationalism, page 104-105 "''The first stage of Croatian nationalism is associated with the Illyrianist movement (1836-1848) During the revolutions of 1848 the Illyrianists sought to achieve Croatian political autonomy within a federalized Habsburg monarchy.''".
:::::I should have known. The plan is far more advanced than I ever imagined. I should seriously think about joining the feline version of the CIA. Alternatively I could apply for a position at the KGB, the Kitty Government Board. ]&nbsp;<small><sup style="position:relative">]<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.5ex;*left:-5.5ex">]</span></sup></small> 07:04, 9 July 2015 (UTC)


::"Illyrianists", i.e. followers/reforms of that "ideology" can exist after the movement is cracked down upon or banned, as leading figures from it are the ones pushing for its goals just a few years later in 1848 (as mentioned in the second source), it refers to "Illyrianists", not the official organisation itself. And you clearly do not understand what it means when something is "spawned" from something else (in this case "Illyrianism") in the sentence "''Illyrianism'' ''spawned two political movements. the first was Ante Starcevics party of...''". It doesnt not mean it was the successor or even has to be created by the same people, and it does not say the Starcevics party was the "first nationalists" in Croatia, it says that IllyrianISM ''spawned'' two movements after it was gone. So there is nothing wrong with the sources other than you being angry since it goes against the narrative of the "Triune Kingdom" that the articles mentions certain groups (and certain people today...) are trying to push as legitimate.<br>As for "Matica Hrvatska", since both English ''and'' Croatian wikipedia (including the pages for Jank Draskovic) refer to it being opened in 1842 (even with a specific day), I will assume that it changed names later and that you are just trying to desperately poke holes in a perfectly good source since it goes against your POV pushing. Especially since you in the same swoop as this remove the "biased source?" tag for, and I repeat this again, a ''literal member of the very group mentioned in the articles as having its primary goal in trying push for the recognition and legitimacy of the Triune Kingdom''...<br>
::::::Yes, the KGB would be a good choice, though they go by FSB (Feline Security Bureau) now. - ] (]) 07:12, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
::Regarding the other TALK pages, I have responded, aside from one of on ], since that is no legitimate talk section or discussion, you just saying how "you moved everything after 1848" while deleted over 7000 characters and sources from the article, to your newly created articles (this one also pushing the "Triune Kingdom"), a subject which has been brought up and debunked for various 19th century Croatia-related articles (even immediately above it this this "move announcement", there are ] ] relating the dubious Triune Kingdom), since its obviously based on the 19th century nationalists aspirations of the very same people and groups which you have even used as source to support claims related to it, such as the aforementioned "first mention in 1527".<br>
::You claim I deleted your information, but you can see I dont remove any sources in the edit-war on the ] page, only reformat text (partly because of appalling english grammar...), I even left in the obviously biased author I mentioned above (who was a member of party whos primary goal was to be pro-triune), including only a "unreliable source?" tag, with this explanation (which you of course removed, along side sources I provided, while calling them fake while failing to understand them..(!))
::The topic surrounding the idea of the Triune Kingdom can be seen mentioned in many different talk pages on croatian related "countries"/topics, even 10 years back, with people calmly explaining the (unrecognized) claims on Dalmatia, irredentism and national aspirations of Nationalists groups of that time. So to create such ''massive'' changes on all these articles and even creating new ones (deleting large parts of ] and changing the uncontroversial and "well-known" fact that it ended in 1868 when merged with ] to create ] (which you claim is not even a recognized entitiy in favour of the "Triune Kingdom"(!!)) have been changed to push the Triune Kingdom narrative even further levels than even previous claims, such as in this article: ]. Its such a transparent agenda, especially when above every talk section you create calling other people ] and ] , you have dozens of discussions of yesteryear explaining the situation regaring the Triune Kingdom. See talk of ], for example. When the whole article "]" itself is just explaining this situation about nationalist aspirations even. (well, although im certain 19th century Dr. Ivan Bojničić of the Croatian Peoples Party's claims have "corrected it" by now...)<br>
::I quite regret being one of the two participants in such a massive edit-war so late last at night, but it ''really'' riled me up seeing such flagrant and brazen, obviously transparent attempts to push this idea to all these articles (and with such accusations thrown around at the same time!) --] (]) 08:17, 5 April 2019 (UTC)


:::{{reply|Havsjö|Ban kavalir}} Given the immense amount of edit-warring in multiple articles, the only thing I can propose now for both of you is to go to the 3RR noticeboard and pledge that you will not edit-war any longer. In the case of Ban kavalir, I strongly suggest he self-reverts in all articles he has edit-warred, to show that he is no longer seeking advantage by edit-warring. If he does not do that, I am certain he is going to be blocked for a long time. Best of luck. By the way, I'm not an admin. ] ] 09:06, 5 April 2019 (UTC)
:::::::Touché. I had forgotten about the re-organisation after the dissolution of CCCP (Confederation of Collectivist Cat Proletariat). :) ]&nbsp;<small><sup style="position:relative">]<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.5ex;*left:-5.5ex">]</span></sup></small> 07:26, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
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==Can you help me make some infoboxes==
:::::::::No problem <:)> - ] (]) 07:48, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
Hi, I currently have done a lot of editing and have more to do. Can you please me make some infoboxes for me, as I need all the help that I can get, and can't do all this editing by myself. ] (]) 21:58, 6 April 2019 (UTC)
:Hi David. Infoboxes are not my thing, but if you want me to lend a hand somewhere, I'll consider it. ] ] 04:42, 7 April 2019 (UTC)


:: If you can make an infobox for this article ] that would be great. I am going to be making infoboxes for other articles as well. Also congadulations for saving the Pavlos Kouroupis article from deletion as well! I have since added it to the ] as it has earned its rightful place on that list! It will get even more views now that is there. ] (]) 06:53, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
== Thank you for your support in the Administrator's noticeboard ==


::: (watching, and willing:) That is a strange article for a biography, not say born when, educated in what and where, day job what. It needs that first. I use {{tl|infobox person}} for all people, and the documentation is quite good, - you can probably do it yourself. I confess that I usually simply copy from a similar person, and that fill the fields (and typically leave one wrong, - better don't do that). --] (]) 07:33, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
Hello dear Dr.K.! I was surprised to find you in the Administrator's noticeboard, on the same issue that I was caught into, in regards to Rolandi+'s edit wars with other users on Balkan-related articles, and I wanted just to thank you for your support. I admit, for a moment I wasn't sure what was going on there, I didn't knew of Rolandi+'s involvement in more feuds with other users, and when I saw my name in the Administrator's noticeboard, I was worried that my life in Misplaced Pages could have been put to an end with a ban or something, just because I tried to defend a page against POV edits. Thank you again and have a nice day. :) --] (]) 04:57, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
:Thank you SilentResident. In this case the problem was that a known edit-warring champion, serial creator of multiple edit-wars across many Balkan articles was put on the same scale as you. I think that was unfair. I also think that people engaging in any type of action in this area should have at least a modicum of content awareness regarding the Balkans. Keep up the good work but also try to avoid any 3RR complications just in case. I know it is frustrating when dealing with serial edit-warriors but don't forget this is a community project and sooner or later the community will resolve this. Take care. ]&nbsp;<small><sup style="position:relative">]<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.5ex;*left:-5.5ex">]</span></sup></small> 05:19, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
::Yeah, thats true. I will keep this in mind. Thank you again. :) --] (]) 06:41, 15 July 2015 (UTC)


== attitude ==
== A wikipedia user, is trying to blackmail me! Any advice? ==


I would suggest edits (and edit summaries) like this ] will do you no favours, rein it in a bit.] (]) 10:38, 21 April 2019 (UTC)
Dear Dr. K, I am sorry for bothering you (and Athenean) right now, but the user Rolandi+ is trying to blakcmail me now, in the ], he threatened me twice:
:Not sure why you think this is inappropriate. I was simply expressing my relief that a regular voiced their opinion, a bit late, but better than never. If this opinion had come a bit earlier, a lot of upheaval would have been avoided. I stand by that assessment. I don't see why you disapprove. ] ] 10:53, 21 April 2019 (UTC)
:On second thought, perhaps, a subtler response could have been more appropriate. In any case, thanks for the verdict. ] ] 11:27, 21 April 2019 (UTC)


== Please see ==
"''So revert your edits about the albanians in turkey,or I will report you after that ANI''"


]. Your examples are for student activism, not on-campus student protests. Otherwise we might as well merge those two articles. Hence why I also proposed a move, to avoid confusion between those terms. Student protest is ambiguous. Of course, in simple English, those self-immolation were student protests, as in 'protests by students'. But in academic literature, we distinguish 'protest physically located on campus', i.e. campus protest, sometimes referred to as student protest, to a more general student activism, which includes all forms of student mobilization, activism, and protests, whether on campus or not. If we can find an a example of student suicide that occurred on campus, it will be an example of an extreme student/campus protest, but the examples you provided happened on city squares, and as such, they are not on-campus student protests. IMHO I think the extreme examples of on-campus protest we could find would include violence, vandalism, even casualties, but probably not outright suicide... --<sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">]&#124;]</sub> 05:35, 25 April 2019 (UTC) PS. Your effort is not wasted, and is appreciated. I've moved the content you added/sourced to ]: . Those are important incidents, but they are examples of student activism (also sometimes known as student protest), not of campus activism (also sometimes known as student protest). Student protest is simply an imprecise term that should be a disambig. Please reconsider your objection to the move. There's no independently-notable concept of student protest outside student activism or campus protest. It's just an ambiguous term. Protest by students = student activism. Protest on campus = campus protest. Student protest = disambig between those two. I hope we can mend fences and agree on this. --<sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">]&#124;]</sub> 05:46, 25 April 2019 (UTC)
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==DYK for Kardaki Temple==
"''I may be blocked for this topic,but this doesn't mean that I can't report you for your vandalism.So go and delete your edits about albanians in turkey''"
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== DYK nomination of Pavlos Kouroupis ==
If I didn't misunderstood, isn't this a warning or threat? Isn't he warning me that if I don't undo his reverted POV edits, I will get reported? Isn't that a blackmail? How should I respond to his blackmails? What is the appropriate action for such cases in Misplaced Pages? I am asking for your and Athenean's advices, as I am not sure what to do. :( --] (]) 11:23, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
:Nevermind, I just united my voice with the rest of the people asking for Rolandi+'s ban. --] (]) 12:23, 15 July 2015 (UTC)


Hello, I completed a review at ], and noted one question. Please respond there when you are able. I look forward to seeing this nomination on the main page. Thanks! ] (]) 04:43, 5 May 2019 (UTC)
==DYK for Meryl Streep==
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== Obama Birth Certificate ==
==Steve Vai==
Hi, trying to update some info about my boss, Steve Vai, based on his current setup and activities. Can you please approve my edits or contact me at andy@vai.com? Thank you kindly. <small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 03:45, 20 July 2015 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> Inserting the word "falsely" into the introductory sentence of the Obama Birth Certificate article makes it seem like you have a personal bias towards a certain viewpoint. Even though all the evidence points to Obama being born in the US, it is being intellectually dishonest to suggest that it's 100% a matter of fact that he was born there. Removing the word "falsely" simply removes that bias and provides an objective viewpoint on the situation. I hope you understand where I'm coming from. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 05:19, 6 May 2019 (UTC)</small>
:No, it is 100% fact. That a few delusional morons continue to believe, in spite of all evidence, that Obama was born in Kenya, is of no more consequence to us than the fact that a few delusional morons continue to believe, in spite of all evidence, that the moon is made of green cheese. ] (]) 05:21, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
::Thank you {{u|NorthBySouthBaranof}}. Your reply captures the situation quite well. You saved me from typing my own. ] ] 05:29, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
:::Fwiw, I wrote one too: . ] (]) 05:52, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
::::Good points. Unfortunately, he didn't heed your advice and now he is blocked. ] ] 05:56, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
:::::Yeah. That seemed a little quick, but I see they reverted again 20 min after being warned at their talkpage. ] (]) 06:09, 6 May 2019 (UTC)


==Upgrading article==
:Hi. If you have ] this material may be acceptable. However there is the ] problem because people associated with the artist may not edit the article without consensus. I would therefore suggest you find reliable sources for the content and then propose the edit on the talkpage of the article. ]&nbsp;<small><sup style="position:relative">]<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.5ex;*left:-5.5ex">]</span></sup></small> 03:53, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
Hi, could you please upgrade this article ] for me? I have a lot of editing to do and can't do it all by myself. ] (]) 20:56, 9 May 2019 (UTC)
:Hi David. Sorry, but I Googled and I couldn't find any English sources for this topic. ] ] 00:15, 10 May 2019 (UTC)


==DYK for Pavlos Kouroupis==
Thank you for that feedback. The sources we've cited provide photos and descriptions not coming from inside the camp. They're well documented and also cite official releases through Sony Records (2015 "Stillness in Motion" was deleted from our updates).
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==DYK for Nostradamos (band)==
:You are welcome. Regarding your edit, it was a large one. From what I checked there were no inline citations supporting the material. There were also many details that had no support from any sources. I suggest you eliminate all the material that cannot be verified and only add the material that is verifiable through independent sources. I also suggest you open a section on the article talkpage to present the material you want to add so that other wiki editors can offer their opinions. My talkpage is not the place where wider consensus can be achieved. ]&nbsp;<small><sup style="position:relative">]<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.5ex;*left:-5.5ex">]</span></sup></small> 04:18, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
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== Su 30 MKM == == ] ==


Dear Doctor, thanks again for a little gem on Greek culture. I enjoyed it and learned quite a bit :). Keep it up, and best regards! ] ] 15:24, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
Hey man thanks for changes. Can fix my grammar on edit mkm section. thanks
:Dear Kosta, thank you for your encouragement. You are very welcome, but it is my turn to thank you also for your great contributions on Byzantine civilisation and many other topics. As far as Nostradamos, I hope you liked the songs, in addition to the article. :) Take care. ] ] 18:38, 25 May 2019 (UTC)


== ] ==
== Kyral ==


Hi, please have a look at ].]] 18:32, 30 May 2019 (UTC)
Re: Edits I made to the Straight Edge Razor page.


==DYK for Temple of Hera, Mon Repos==
I was actually adding references to an section which did not have citations for its cost sources. My two references (in full Harvard format) were for the number of times a razor cartridge can be used, and the cost of the said cartridge. Previous content in the article just had these figures assumed, and I was set to make further adjustments in the next day as to where those figures may have come from/ replace them with cited references.
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== File:Municipal theatre of Corfu being built.jpg ==
Please check what has been improved before threatening other users with adding unreferenced content. <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 00:17, 5 August 2015 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


Hi. You thanked me for ], but do you think it could still stand to be narrower and taller, to match the 'original'? I was a bit confused, because your 'sepia' version has a 'wide' aspect ratio. I worked from that 'sepia' version for detail, but I can easily adjust the final aspect ratio to be narrower and taller, to match the 'original' if you think that would be correct - your choice. Cheers. --<span style="font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold;color:#004d80;"> ]</span> 19:11, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
:]. So don't give me advice that is not applicable in my case. If you added references later good for you but you did not add any references when I performed my revert. In fact I also reverted you at ] when you ]. Please make a habit of using ]. ]&nbsp;<small><sup style="position:relative">]<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.5ex;*left:-5.5ex">]</span></sup></small> 01:15, 5 August 2015 (UTC)


*Actually, I've gone ahead and uploaded that a/r adjustment, because I'll be offline in a while and I don't want to forget. You can just revert it if you don't think it's required/necessary/correct (or if you just don't like it...) Cheers. --<span style="font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold;color:#004d80;"> ]</span> 19:26, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
== accounts ==


:*Hi Begoon. Thank you for letting me know and for trying to fix this picture. I'm not sure about the aspect ratio, so I'll leave it up to your judgement. Take care. ] ] 19:32, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
It is not intentional. I don't know how I ended up with two accounts... ] (]) 04:14, 2 August 2015 (UTC)
:No problem. Just choose one and redirect the other to the one you chose. Perhaps you can also ask an admin at ] to merge the two accounts. ]&nbsp;<small><sup style="position:relative">]<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.5ex;*left:-5.5ex">]</span></sup></small> 04:23, 2 August 2015 (UTC)


:*:Ok, well I think it's about as close as I'm going to get now, so I'll call it 'done'. Cheers. --<span style="font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold;color:#004d80;"> ]</span> 19:46, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
== Moving Burma to Myanmar - new 2015 poll ==


:::*Great. Thanks again Begoon. ] ] 19:53, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
You participated in a Burma RM in the past so I'm informing you of another RM. I hope I didn't miss anyone. ] ] (]) 09:54, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
:Thank you very much Fyunck(click) for all your hard work. Take care. ]&nbsp;<small><sup style="position:relative">]<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.5ex;*left:-5.5ex">]</span></sup></small> 14:59, 7 August 2015 (UTC)


==DYK for Tomb of Menecrates==
There is a move discussion in progress on ] which affects the recently renamed page ]. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. ] (]) 17:09, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
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==Panathinaikos B.C.==
== Edit on population figures of Greece ==
Ok, what's going on here? You are automatically reverting my edits, where I'm just citing the listed weight of the players that is missing, from the info that is given from their Misplaced Pages pages, and you're telling me that Misplaced Pages is not a reliable source? Have you seen a reliable source regarding the existing listed weight of the other players? It doesn't make sense. Before you accuse somebody for disruptive editing, please check their previous edits. All my edits on ] are in good faith. I'm the only one in that specific page whose edits are 100% accurate, and I'm reverting anything that is not confirmed. I was the one that requested for that article to get semi-protection. You are not fair with me, man. I think that I deserve better treatment here. --] (]) 10:09, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
Oh, my apologies, I did a mistake with my edits. I didn't meant to revert your edits, but that other user's edits who included the irrelevant foreign ethnicities in the population figures that are only about Greeks. My apologies, Dr. K, and thank you for your edits. Have a good day! :) --] (]) 20:35, 14 August 2015 (UTC)
:Yes, absolutely, that's what I've been telling you: Misplaced Pages is not a reliable source. See ]. I can't believe you don't understand this simple fact. Anyone can edit Misplaced Pages. So anyone can put any number they like. If the stuff they add to the wiki doesn't have reliable source backup, external to Misplaced Pages, the stuff must be removed. That's why we have ]. Only the reliable sources can verify the facts we add on wiki. See ]. I hope this helps. . ] ] 10:49, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
:With all due respect, I'm just telling you that this doesn't make sense, because you either have to accept the missing listed weight of these players, or you have to remove the existing listed weight of the others. I understand Misplaced Pages's policy regarding reliability, but you're going with different criteria for the exact same situation, and that's what's confusing me. --] (]) 11:06, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
::No. Any weights that are not sourced to reliable sources stay out. That's non-negotiable. The foreign players have their weights listed by the NBA and other reliable sources, that's why I left them in. Most Greek players don't have reliable sources for their weight. That's why I removed them. Some Greek players have their weight listed by reliable sources, external to Misplaced Pages. If you can find them, you can add them. But remember, no wiki sources. ] ] 11:19, 13 July 2019 (UTC),
:::Ok, now you made it clear and understandable, explaining the NBA sources. If I find reliable sources about the other players, I'll add the info. But just reminding again that all my edits are in good faith. I don't like to see you implying that I'm vandalizing this article, please, cause it's not fair. I'm doing my best here. Thank you. --] (]) 11:29, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
::::I am glad we reached an understanding. I never implied you were vandalising the article. My warnings to you were for missing sources, not for vandalism. Now I understand even better that you do not plan to keep adding unsourced weights, so your good faith is clear. Best regards. ] ] 11:35, 13 July 2019 (UTC)


== Petropoulos ==
:No problem at all SilentResident. I understood from your edit summary that you were not referring to me. Thank you for your note and take care. ]&nbsp;<small><sup style="position:relative">]<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.5ex;*left:-5.5ex">]</span></sup></small> 20:45, 14 August 2015 (UTC)
Hello. I sincerely want to thank you for your help and contribution. Truly appreciate ] (]) 19:06, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
:BTW, my apologies for referring to you as "Student" in my edit-summary. I thought it was another user, Student7, who changed my edit. I must have been looking at the wrong article history. ]&nbsp;<small><sup style="position:relative">]<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.5ex;*left:-5.5ex">]</span></sup></small> 20:55, 14 August 2015 (UTC)
:You are very welcome Mr. Skartsis. It was my pleasure. In turn, I wish to thank {{u|Icewhiz}} who alerted me to this deletion discussion. By the way, for many years I have been a fan of yours and your epic contributions on articles regarding the industrial development of Greece. Keep up the epic work and if you ever need my assistance, please don't hesitate to let me know. Take care. ] ] 19:42, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
::Yeah, no worries, everything is ok. And by the way, I made some improvements based on your edits, with the aim of showing the actual Greek pop figures of Greece, and removed other ethnic pop figures, since the page is solely about Greeks. I hope this looks better now and more relevant to the page's subject. :) --] (]) 20:57, 14 August 2015 (UTC)
:: Thanks again, I have seen your contributions on many subjects as well, please you too keep up the good work ] (]) 20:24, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
:::Thank you SilentResident. Please be my guest correcting the figures. I trust your expertise. In any case I am not very fond of ethnic population stats. I don't know why but let's just say they are not my cup of tea. :) Best regards. ]&nbsp;<small><sup style="position:relative">]<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.5ex;*left:-5.5ex">]</span></sup></small> 21:03, 14 August 2015 (UTC)


:::You are very welcome Mr. Skartsis, and thank you for your kind words. It was a pleasure talking to you. Take care. ] ] 21:00, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
== Straight razor ==


== BLP trivia and group musician articles ==
Hello, upon further review I completely agree with your point of view that it was unnecessary information, thus I feel removing the information is correct. However I do feel the "Cost" section should have more information in it than it does now.
Thanks] (]) 22:24, 14 August 2015 (UTC)
:{{reply|Bodha2}} Thank you for your message. Please feel free to add some more details and I will help out if there is a need. Best regards. ]&nbsp;<small><sup style="position:relative">]<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.5ex;*left:-5.5ex">]</span></sup></small> 00:17, 15 August 2015 (UTC)


Hi, Dr. K, {{user|Drmies}} advised me to contact you regarding our discussion here: https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk%3ADrmies&type=revision&diff=907849418&oldid=907836846To sum it up, I've been seeing a lack of consistency in group articles. The articles for bands with international appeal (bands like ], ], or even K-pop groups like ]) do not list things like member birthdates and image colors, while ] articles like ], ], ], etc. insist on listing them. Could you give me a direction of understanding what to do when I edit articles? Thanks. ] (]) 21:13, 25 July 2019 (UTC)
== "Edit Warring" ==
*Rock on, K! ] (]) 21:33, 25 July 2019 (UTC)


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==]==
:]: {{tq|-Pinochet mention quite dubious-The cited source is a rambling essay by a self-described VJ/DJ, with no apparent expertise in the subject, and is a mere assertion, lacking any actual evidence.}} to which I agreed and then I supplied 10 (ten) new sources, many from specialist books, supporting the assertion that torture chambers were used in Chile during Pinochet's dictatorship. What exactly is your problem now? ]&nbsp;<small><sup style="position:relative">]<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.5ex;*left:-5.5ex">]</span></sup></small> 17:08, 15 August 2015 (UTC)
Greetings! Do you think that you could expand some of the articles in the title listed above that are short and could use expanding. I believe that you are the best one suited to do this! ] (]) 10:54, 3 August 2019 (UTC)


== IamnotU??? ==
:{{tq|As you hadn't touched the article before the NPOV tag, I doubt very much if you would have enhanced the article without it.}} ''I'', not touching the article? LOL, I am the main contributor of the article. But yes, thank you for flagging the need for better sourcing, although the tag was removed ''after'' I had supplied two RS on my way to adding eight more for a total of ten. That should be enough I suppose. ]&nbsp;<small><sup style="position:relative">]<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.5ex;*left:-5.5ex">]</span></sup></small> 17:17, 15 August 2015 (UTC)


Hello, I am Péter. Well, there is a problem with that 'admin' IamnotU or something like that. FOR ONE YEAR he has deleted ALL my changes, edits here, mainly without any reasons or any detailed explanations. It is not my style to 'run down' someone but in this case I am forced to because othewise there are no problems with my edits, he is the ONLY ONE that makes problems for me, I do not know why. Although I am not English I know this language quite well... So please HAVE a look at my Budapest edits and change them ONLY if there is a REAL reason. I want the text to be shorter, clearer, without word-repeatings etc., that was what I have done there. You can change there things that you think are NOT correct but to undo ALL my edits is very annoying. I was working on it a lot and I know this town quite well. Thanks in advance. ] (]) 12:52, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
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== Respond from user Grigoris3 ==
I believe Firefox Iani has been given enough warnings, ] and time to explain his edits. Should we proceed with a report at ]? Would you care to do the honors? --] (]) 17:02, 15 August 2015 (UTC)
:Hi Kansas. Thank you for your message. I don't have the time currently but if you start something I will chime in as soon as I return. Up to you though, no pressure. :) Take care. ]&nbsp;<small><sup style="position:relative">]<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.5ex;*left:-5.5ex">]</span></sup></small> 17:10, 15 August 2015 (UTC)
::It's done, Doc! . --] (]) 18:25, 15 August 2015 (UTC)
:::Thank you very much Kansas. ]&nbsp;<small><sup style="position:relative">]<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.5ex;*left:-5.5ex">]</span></sup></small> 20:45, 15 August 2015 (UTC)


I would like to apologize for forcing you warn me about my activity in Misplaced Pages, but I thought that my edits did not violate Misplaced Pages's policy and, therefore, following its motto "the 💕 anyone can edit", I edited without any warning. ] (]) 14:00, 29 August 2019 (UTC)
== ] ==
:Thank you Grigoris for your nice message. This problem happens from time to time. People like numbering prime ministers of Greece, United Kingdom, and perhaps of other countries. This does not work for various reasons. When you see comments when you edit an article not to number or add honourifics, it would be a good idea to follow that advice. Take care. ] ] 21:07, 29 August 2019 (UTC)


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:Something he was working on eight years ago can still be included in the article by changing the tense. As far as the link it can be partially retrieved via the Internet archive and ]. The video doesn't work but the website and the date have been archived. Also the fact he kept a secret lab behind a mobile staircase is included in the video. This was also a TV appearance and can be included in the TV appearance section. In any case, this discussion should take place at the article talk if there is some reason to be discussed with the wider community. ]&nbsp;<small><sup style="position:relative">]<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.5ex;*left:-5.5ex">]</span></sup></small> 14:52, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
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:: Thx! The talk page has a question concerning the lab since 2010 with no reaction, so I thought, I'd ask you directly. I am now going to copy our dialogue there, because while the internet archive is a good idea, it doesn't really help that much, does it? I find this lab thing very odd and haven't found anything else about it... --] (]) <span style="font-size:smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added 20:35, 17 August 2015 (UTC)</span><!--Template:Undated--> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
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== Vlorë Demographics == == Rolex Revert ==


Sorry, I didn't mean to thank you on that revert. I'd assumed the Thank You would bring up a messaging window.....not be automatic.
I did explain in the edit summary.
It says "reverted - incorrect data".
I reverted it to a the version of https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Vlor%C3%AB&oldid=676078158
because the demographics data used on 01:25, 16 August 2015‎ and after does not belong to Vlore town or municipality.
] (]) 02:01, 20 August 2015 (UTC)


I didn't think a citation would be needed as I was bringing the article into agreement with the English Misplaced Pages article on "Automatic Watches". I don't believe citing Misplaced Pages is appropriate so, is it necessary to copy the citations from the other article? I honestly don't know ... I don't do edits I think require citations. ] (]) 06:22, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
:That's not sufficient. The number "104,827" in your version is unsourced while the version I restored is sourced to the 2011 census. ]&nbsp;<small><sup style="position:relative">]<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.5ex;*left:-5.5ex">]</span></sup></small> 02:09, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
:Thanks for your message. The citation already in the Rolex article claims Rolex was the first to invent the automatic mechanism. Therefore, your edit did not conform to the existing reference. If you add another reference that contradicts the existing reference, then this has to be investigated further on the talkpage so that a determination can be made as to what is going on. ] ] 21:29, 16 September 2019 (UTC)


== Block notices ==
::Whatever. The numbers you are displaying are for the Vlore County and not for Vlore municipality. https://en.wikipedia.org/Vlor%C3%AB_County <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 02:16, 20 August 2015 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


:::Why don't you propose these changes on the talkpage? And where does the number "104,827" come from? ]&nbsp;<small><sup style="position:relative">]<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.5ex;*left:-5.5ex">]</span></sup></small> 02:39, 20 August 2015 (UTC) My understanding is that you can't remove declined unblock notices while blocked, but removing the block notice is fine. – ]] 03:31, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
:I have a different understanding, but I'll check. ] ] 03:34, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
::See ] and ]. – ]] 03:38, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
:::I had just finished reading those and was ready to reply when I saw your second message. You were correct. Thank you for the correction. ] ] 03:42, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
::::No worries. Cheers. – ]] 03:45, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
:::::Thank you again, Brad. Cheers. ] ] 03:53, 17 September 2019 (UTC)


== A kitten for you! ==
::::All right, let me explain everything. First of all this is not an edit war, even though one of the editors kept reformatting my fancy demographics table, but that's fine. It was me that first brought the census 2011 data on 01:25, 16 August 2015‎ but I was supposed to put that in Vlore County not in Vlore municipality. However, there were few edits not only in demographics section but on another section too, so I could not just click on the UNDO. So I copied the version of the demographics section from before my initial edit and pasted it as final version.
::::So the number "104,827" was already there from before my initial edit. And that's what I reverted to by copy and paste. You can find it here https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Vlor%C3%AB&oldid=676078158 ] (]) 03:04, 20 August 2015 (UTC)


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:::::Got it. I'll revert my edit and my warnings on your talk. Thank you very much Agroni for your patience. ]&nbsp;<small><sup style="position:relative">]<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.5ex;*left:-5.5ex">]</span></sup></small> 03:20, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
You are most welcome.


] (]) 10:23, 3 November 2019 (UTC)
::::::No problem. However I do like using the "wikitable sortable" to present such data. It is used on american towns. I would like to continue my contribution and bring census 2011 data for all counties of Albania. Can you support me in keeping the data in table format? ] (]) 03:27, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
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:::::::I'm not an expert on MOS regarding tables but if it is used elsewhere I see no reason why it shouldn't be used for Albanian towns as well. Let me know when a discussion takes place and I'll offer my opinion. ]&nbsp;<small><sup style="position:relative">]<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.5ex;*left:-5.5ex">]</span></sup></small> 03:33, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
:Thank you Fylindfotberserk for the cute pic. :) Keep up the good work. Take care. ] ] 10:29, 3 November 2019 (UTC)


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==My Apology Dr.K==
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== An editor removing Ancient Greek diacritics ==
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..at the article about ] and ]. Thank you. if you find time for it.--] (]) 17:58, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
:Thank you Babba. Will do. Nice seeing you. Take care. ]&nbsp;<small><sup style="position:relative">]<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.5ex;*left:-5.5ex">]</span></sup></small> 20:58, 25 August 2015 (UTC)


Hello! I think you have already noticed that there is who keeps removing Ancient Greek diacritics from names and words and replacing them with Modern Greek diacritics. You may want to keep an eye on them. This editor appears to have been quite prolific in removing polytonic accents and breathing marks from various Ancient Greek names and words across a large number of articles. —] (]) 04:35, 28 November 2019 (UTC)
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:Thank you, Kat. I finished up the cleanup you had started. Please let me know if they continue. ] ] 06:42, 29 November 2019 (UTC)
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== Turks in Germany ==
If you believe the move request is "uncontroversial" then please close it out and make the move. Nevertheless, ] shows a couple editors who don't approve, and there are others in the Survey who also don't approve. How sure are you it is "uncontroversial"? Furthermore, the tag is legitimate and often used there is nothing wrong with its use here. In this case it is useful to get a ] so we can make the move sooner than later. I'm willing to set some timeline on that, maybe another 24hrs or something, to build a convincing case. Otherwise we are looking at waiting 6 more days before the article can be renamed. Which is worse, a few days of the tag, or 6 more days with a bad title. -- ]] 13:28, 26 August 2015 (UTC)


Sorry, but I don't accept your warnings! Most of the users just put random sources from random people into the article, but I offered the official German statistics. If you ask any reputable and respectable scientist on this planet (especially statisticians or demographers) how many Turks live in Germany, then he would cite my numbers!
:{{reply|Green Cardamom}} Yes, please RfC this for a SNOW close in 24 hours or as soon as possible to get the issue solved - readers won't care either way. "6 more days with a bad title" - the title isn't "bad" - you only propose adding the word "train" - there is no accuracy dispute about the current title - just a stylistic change.


:The ] shows that the article has already been viewed 22,997 times, while the has been viewed 643 times. That's 2.7% of the traffic.


== Sources in a Lead ==
:Keeping this tag up on a high traffic article for 7 whole days means that it is likely to be viewed by more than 22,000 people reading the article. Of those, fewer than 2.7% will have any input to make.
Hello,
I was wondering if you could explain the reasoning behind deleting my citation needed marks for the Western Culture article. All Misplaced Pages article statements are supposed to be sourced, and the first paragraph of the Lead section lacks any sources. I think it would be appropriate for the definition of Western Culture to be a sourced statement. This what led me to mark it as needing a citation. I see this as a learning opportunity and would love to grow as a Misplaced Pages contributor. Best. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 20:59, 7 December 2019 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


:Hello. The reasoning is explained in my edit-summary where I included a link to ]. Please click on that link, where it is explained that the lead, as a summary of the article, does not require facts to be cited. ] ] 21:11, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
:Let's try to get this closed as quickly as possible. -- ] (]) 15:57, 26 August 2015 (UTC)


While it does not require sources, I think a source for the definition of such a complex term would be appropriate. The article you linked says:
::{{reply|Green Cardamom|Callinus}} Many move requests are disputed in the sense that there would be no move request had the original title not been challenged in the first place. But that does not mean that we have to add title-disputed tags on the mainspace article just because a move request is being made at the talkpage. My first involvement with the article was to prevent the replacement of the original tag with non-standard ones. But subsequently I checked and saw that the tag is not used in many move requests. Even ]. So I decided to remove it. In any case, I see that the article has now been moved so, as the saying goes, all's well when ends well. Thank you both for your kind invitation, regardless. Best regards. ]&nbsp;<small><sup style="position:relative">]<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.5ex;*left:-5.5ex">]</span></sup></small> 17:06, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
"there is not, however, an exception to citation requirements specific to leads."
:::In this case the tag was useful as the page was getting so many views that it drove more editors to the talk page to !vote, thus achieving a snow within 36hrs or so. Otherwise we would still be waiting to rename the page. -- ]] 17:36, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
"Complex, current, or controversial subjects may require many citation"
I believe Western culture merits the inclusion of some sources in its Lead, especially when one takes into consideration how unsourced the rest of the article is. Thank you for your response. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 21:26, 7 December 2019 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:Adding four citation-needed tags in the first paragraph of the lead has the effect of destroying the lead. The facts presented don't seem unreasonable to me. Sometimes, one has to exercise discretion when tagging facts that can either be cited easily or seem obvious. I haven't checked the rest of the article to see if the facts present at the lead can be fairly summarised as they are now, but the current lead seems reasonable to me. The best course of action at this stage is to open a discussion at the article talkpage so that other wiki editors can participate there. ] ] 22:21, 7 December 2019 (UTC)


==Mild language and competency==
== They've found your gold! ==
This ''is'' a competency issue, as pertaining to one's mastery of the English language. But the mainspace is not the place to argue this! ] 14:47, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
:No, I disagree. It is only a minor copyedit issue. SR's language in the article is actually better than many other editors, and in no way nears CIR. ] ] 14:51, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
::Well, we can disagree. I deem it a competency issue. But you should not use the mainspace to make that argument, in any case. ] 14:52, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
:::It was not the mainspace. It was the edit-summary. There is a difference. The edit-summary field is not mainspace. It is a main space adjunct. ] ] 14:56, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
::::You should not have done it. It was ]. Also, please do not reopen archived threads at ANI — especially while this discussion remains outstanding. ] 14:57, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
::::Also, you didn't merely "copyedit" — you ''rewrote.'' Which is what was needed due to the competency issues I am highlighting. ] 15:00, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
:::::{{ec}} Correcting the record, especially when using CIR in the wrong manner against an editor, is not POINTY and I disagree with your closing at ANI and your revert of my note. ] ] 15:04, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
:::::We can play semantics, but I mildly rewrote. Still, no CIR issue. CIR means the editor is incompetent to write, not mildly inefficient. ] ] 15:04, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
::::::It was, indeed, pointy. Please do not do it again. Anyway, you may disagree with the close, but it is done. That thread is closed now. I do not deem it to be mild, I deem that addition to be suffering from competency issues (to the point of incoherence), suggestions on how to address that were provided in my closing summary. ] 15:09, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
:::::::Again, I disagree. SR's post in the article was nowhere near incoherent or CIR, so I had to correct the record. If you disagree with me, then please ask someone else about this issue, instead of continuing this fruitless discussion on my talk. ] ] 15:15, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
::::::::You can disagree, but I am telling you that using the mainspace edit summary to "correct the record" was pointy and inappropriate. ] 15:17, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
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Thanks for the , Dr.K. Sorry, it got a bit tense. Anyway, as mentioned, I think the issue is obviously machine translation-related. That just simply did not occur to me. I thought SR was simply not putting in the same effort to their mainspace edits as they were their comments. It was quite the dissonance. Because otherwise, their English threshold seems fine. But it is what we do on the mainspace that counts. Anyway, hopefully, they follow my advise to avoid that, and instead, try to confidently write their own prose. Many thanks again. ] 23:06, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
:You are very welcome, and thank you also, El_C. I am glad we got this out of the way. Take care. ] ] 23:28, 13 December 2019 (UTC)


==Cheers==
'''' --] (]) 18:54, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
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:LOL. Thanks. I had seen this piece of news but it takes ''you'' to give it this delightful spin. :) Thanks for that. ]&nbsp;<small><sup style="position:relative">]<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.5ex;*left:-5.5ex">]</span></sup></small> 19:33, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
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<blockquote>This hot Tom and Jerry is an old-time drink that is once used by one and all in this country to celebrate Christmas with, and in fact it is once so popular that many people think Christmas is invented only to furnish an excuse for hot Tom and Jerry, although of course this is by no means true.</blockquote>
== ] ==


No matter what concoction is your favorite to imbibe during this festive season I would like to toast you with it and to thank you for all your work here at the 'pedia this past year. Best wishes for your 2020 as well Dr K. ]&#124;] 23:01, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
I have made a proposal on this article's talk page. --] (]) 21:37, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
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:Thank you Kansas. ]&nbsp;<small><sup style="position:relative">]<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.5ex;*left:-5.5ex">]</span></sup></small> 03:33, 30 August 2015 (UTC)
::Would you care to give your opinion ? --] (]) 21:52, 11 September 2015 (UTC)


:Thank you very much Marnette for your wishes and kind words. Likewise, I thank you for your great contributions to the 'pedia, and your community spirit. This literary cocktail definitely sounds like an exquisite proposition during this wonderful season. I had no idea about the drink, but it looks delicious. I just added it to my to-do list for Christmas and New Year. Too bad I'm not in the States to taste this great piece of Americana in its proper form. Best of the Season to you Marnette, and a Happy New Year! ] ] 17:40, 19 December 2019 (UTC)
==DYK nomination of The Countess of Corfu==
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::You are welcome Dr K and thanks for your kind wishes in return. As with most warm alcohol drinks they go down easy and 1 or 2 go a looong way :-P ]&#124;] 17:57, 19 December 2019 (UTC)
==Islands==
I removed the infoboxes in the articles about the Aegean and Ionian Islands because these maps do not show the actual outline of current Greek or Turkish regions. In Turkey, the ] is larger than just the coastal islands that belong to Turkey. In Greece, the Aegean is divided in a ] and ] region. ] is not part of the region of the ], as it is included in the region of ]. Why do you believe these faulty maps should be included in these two articles? — ] <sup>]</sup> 04:20, 19 September 2015 (UTC)
:Please don't put words in my mouth. If the maps are faulty, replace or remove the maps, not the infoboxes. ]&nbsp;<small><sup style="position:relative">]<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.5ex;*left:-5.5ex">]</span></sup></small> 04:24, 19 September 2015 (UTC)
::I have no intention in putting things in your mouth. The infoboxes did not contain anything else than the map and the indication ‘region of Greece/Turkey’. Because it is unwise to leave empty infoboxes in articles, I removed them. I hope you understand this logic. — ] <sup>]</sup> 04:40, 19 September 2015 (UTC)
:::I hope you understand that when you ask me {{tq|Why do you believe these faulty maps should be included in these two articles?}} you strongly imply that I believe that "these faulty maps should be included in these two articles", which is putting words in my mouth. In the case of the Ionian islands the presence of a small island not belonging to the region is a small perturbation which can be rectified by a description pending modification of the map assuming that there is currently no other alternative map. A similar solution can ve found in the case of the Aegean islands. But you should propose these changes at the article talkpages putting forward a detailed rationale and waiting for consensus to form. ]&nbsp;<small><sup style="position:relative">]<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.5ex;*left:-5.5ex">]</span></sup></small> 04:56, 19 September 2015 (UTC)
::::Well, you clearly seem to think they should be included since you’ve just put them back in the articles. You are correct when you say it’s a good idea to propose on the talk pages to add a correct map. But you are wrong when you say removing the faulty maps should be proposed first. On the contrary, even small perturbations - and this is not the case here - should be removed immediatly.— ] <sup>]</sup> 05:30, 19 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::This is according to your opinion with which I disagree. Kythira is geographically and historically part of the Ionian islands. The article is both about the historical and geographical Ionian islands as well as the region. The case is not as black and white as you may think. For these controversial issues to be resolved, including the Aegean islands, a wider discussion is needed at the talkpage of the articles. ]&nbsp;<small><sup style="position:relative">]<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.5ex;*left:-5.5ex">]</span></sup></small> 05:40, 19 September 2015 (UTC)
::::::Kythira is not part of the Ionian islands as a political subdivision. Therefore, an infobox that shows the opposite is misleading. Of course Kythira is part of these islands geographically and historically speaking. This is the reason a geographical map is already placed inside the article. This is not some ‘political’ or ‘controversial’ statement I make. Did you even read the talk page of the article? The problem with this infobox has been raised before. My edits clearly served a good purpose, unfortunately you seem to think otherwise.— ] <sup>]</sup> 06:11, 19 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::::I have replied at both article talkpages so I think the local discussion here has reached the outer limits of its usefulness. ]&nbsp;<small><sup style="position:relative">]<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.5ex;*left:-5.5ex">]</span></sup></small> 06:15, 19 September 2015 (UTC)


:::You are very welcome Marnette. Thank you for the advice. It will come in handy when I try this very tempting cocktail. :) ] ] 18:43, 19 December 2019 (UTC)
==DYK for The Countess of Corfu==
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== Acqui == ==Good faith edit==
Hi Dr.K. FYI: For the record, I'm assuming that , which you correctly reverted, was made in good faith, since 1601 has often been given as Pierre de Fermat's birth year. See my comment ], Regards ] ] 12:07, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
:Thank you for the message, Paul. I checked the reference at the lead and it mentioned 1607. It was a case of ], thus the warning to the user. After I read your extensive note at the talkpage of the editor, I understand the full context of the DOB issue. I hope, after your explanation, s/he will stop adding 1601. ] ] 17:37, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
::Let's hope. ] ] 21:09, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
:::Indeed. :) Happy New Year, by the way, Paul. Take care. ] ] 23:11, 12 January 2020 (UTC)


== Today's Wikipedian 10 years ago ==
Then doesn't there need to be an article on the battle? best, ] (]) 16:16, 24 September 2015 (UTC)
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:Thank you so much Gerda for this beautiful barnstar and elegant reminder. By the way, Happy New Year to you! It is always nice seeing you and your wisdom on my talk, and in this project. Take care. ] ] 18:44, 16 January 2020 (UTC)


== Just to let you know == == Apology for edit war ==


I apologise for the edit war on ] I was just trying to simplify things by adding titles etc and I am a fairly new user.
It appears that a particular editor is now pushing their POV whilst logged out. This particular editor has already added ] and removed referenced information. --] (]) 18:48, 28 September 2015 (UTC)


Sincerely Afryingpanwithoutahandle ] (]) 05:07, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
== Re: Opinion needed ==
:No problem Afryingpanwithoutahandle. Thank you for your nice message. Best regards. ] ] 02:10, 24 January 2020 (UTC)


== Your Twinkie ad ==
In regards to the appropriateness of ] for a special occasion request: when I see ], I think ] instead of Halloween (Google "nethack slime mold" if you do not recognize the reference). That being said, if you really want to move it to the holding area, I won't stop you. --'']''&nbsp;<sup>]</sup> 16:36, 29 September 2015 (UTC)
:Lol. Thanks for the information regarding the connection between slime mold and nethack. Very interesting. As far as the DYK, I just wanted your opinion. I gather it is rather lukewarm, so I won't insist on the idea. Take care. ]&nbsp;<small><sup style="position:relative">]<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.5ex;*left:-5.5ex">]</span></sup></small> 16:51, 29 September 2015 (UTC)


It may be intentional, but your current "ad" you set in Twinkie links to Twinkie... twice.
== Turkey ==


It looks like: "''(edit summary... (]]]))''" –<span style="font-variant:small-caps">]]</span> <sup>(])</sup> 02:04, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
No, I will not. As I noted earlier, you and several other editors were together edit-warring a demonstrably false statement into the article. While the other editor was a sockpuppet of a blocked user, that doesn't make your actions less unwelcome. ] (]) 20:13, 30 September 2015 (UTC)
:I think I know how my twinkle contribs look like. Have you heard of ]? ] ] 02:27, 26 January 2020 (UTC)


== Removal of entire Theodoros Pangalos controversy section that stood for 10 years fully referenced ==
:{{ping|Nyttend}}, you are out of order accusing me of edit-warring for reverting a sock. FPaS already told you at ANI that the sock is a disruptive sock farmer and his edits should be reverted as part of standard Misplaced Pages procedure. FPaS and NeilN also told you at ANI that your hoax allegations are unjustified and that the statement is definitely not "demonstrably false" as you allege as it is backed by a reliable source. It is too bad you don't recognise the heavy-handedness of your actions in this matter. ]&nbsp;<small><sup style="position:relative">]<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.5ex;*left:-5.5ex">]</span></sup></small> 20:20, 30 September 2015 (UTC)
::DrK is correct blocked and banned users do NOT have application to 3rr unless it's an article edit that you personally take responsibility for. ] (]) 20:25, 30 September 2015 (UTC)
::Let me be clear: the source did not say that the map illustrated Kurdish-majority areas. a claim that the map said that. You added a demonstrably false claim, i.e. a hoax. While socks are normally reverted, we don't revert every edit made by such a user; we retain obviously useful things such as spelling fixes, and hoax-fighting likewise needs to be retained: it's more important to have a correct article than to stick it to block-evading users. If you wish, I can unprotect the page to enable you to restore the hoax to the article, but such will result in an immediate reversion and block. ] (]) 20:27, 30 September 2015 (UTC)


The section was built over decade and survived intact. Every point was referenced. Future Perfect at Sunrise made his first and only edit to the page completely removing the controversy section and issued me a warning on my talk page that if ever I added to a similar referenced section I could receive a ban! There was no talk page discussion on the removal, no debate - just the entire section that stood and was added to for 10 years removed in an instant.
:::{{ping|Nyttend}} At ANI, {{u|Future Perfect at Sunrise}} ]: "''Wait a moment. Sorry Nyttend, I've undone your closure here. First, please don't keep using the term "hoaxing", that's not what we're dealing with here. The person who first added the map, Athenean, had just previously also added a sourced textual description that said that "Kurds make up a majority in the provinces of Dersim, Bingol, Mus, Agri, Igdir, Elazig, Diyarbakir, Batman, Sirnak, Bitlis, Van, Mardin, Siirt and Hakkari, a near majority in Sanliurfa province (47%), and a large minority in Kars province (20%)." I haven't seen anybody challenging the correctness of the sourcing for this sentence. I assume that Athenean believed in good faith that the textual description enumerating those provinces matched the area described in the map, in which case his use of the map with the "majority" caption would have been legitimate. If he was mistaken in this assumption, overlooking that there might have been some factual differences between the two areas, that would make it a case of inadvertent source misuse, but not "hoaxing", which by definition would have to be deliberate. Certainly this should have been hacked out on the talkpage.''" {{u|NeilN}} voiced similar concerns about your use of the term "hoax". But you insist on falsely accusing longstanding aditors with alleged hoaxes. My reversion of the sock was fully within policy. Your stretching of the definition of "hoax" is noted. This is a reflection on your editorial judgement not on the editors you falsely accuse. As far as your threat {{tq|If you wish, I can unprotect the page to enable you to restore the hoax to the article, but such will result in an immediate reversion and block.}}, instead of issuing idle threats to longstanding editors you should go to the talkpage and justify your baseless "hoax" allegations. Better still, you should change the protection log entry as I originally requested of you. But even if you don't change it, it will remain as a permanent record of your completely flawed definition of "hoax". ]&nbsp;<small><sup style="position:relative">]<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.5ex;*left:-5.5ex">]</span></sup></small> 21:02, 30 September 2015 (UTC)
::::I quote WP:HOAX: "A hoax is an attempt to trick an audience into believing that something false is real". For the final time, let me remind you that you attempted to trick the article's readers into believing that the map depicted Kurdish-majority areas, a false statement demonstrated by the map's description page and its source. This has repeatedly been shown to you, but you continue agitating for the contrary. Perhaps Kurds are the majority in those provinces; I don't know the subject, and I'm not addressing that issue. I'm talking about your misuse of sources, not the article content. When someone repairs a falsehood, it doesn't matter who they are: a blocked user's sock who fixes a hoax is helpful, and an established user who inserts the hoax is not helpful. Further agitation will be ignored. ] (]) 21:10, 30 September 2015 (UTC)


https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Theodoros_Pangalos_(politician)&dir=prev&offset=20150616193928&action=history
:::::{{ping|Nyttend}} Please cease your baseless attacks trying to justify your mistake. Two fellow admins already took issue with your use of the word "hoax". That should give you a hint, but I won't hold my breath. Read what {{u|Future Perfect at Sunrise}} told you which I added to my talkpage for convenience. This was a cited fact by a reliable source which justified its inclusion in the article as a caption. The map and its source can be augmented by reliable sources so that they can be interpreted more fully. This is standard practice on Misplaced Pages. Accusing established editors of "hoax" using idiosyncratic definitions of the word and ignoring support by RS is behaviour unbecoming of anyone let alone an administrator. There is also ] explaining this very issue. I was fully within my editorial rights to revert the sockfarmer and the information I restored was backed by a reliable source. Instead of trying to use more false arguments to attack me on top of your previous idle threats you should do the decent thing and participate on the talkpage of Turkey and defend your false hoax allegations. Also your comment: {{tq|Further agitation will be ignored.}} What a telling remark. I thought we were engaging in a discussion. I guess you view our exchange like some type of insurrection in some kind of correctional facility. Funny that. I always thought this was an encyclopedia. ]&nbsp;<small><sup style="position:relative">]<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.5ex;*left:-5.5ex">]</span></sup></small> 21:42, 30 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::{{ping|Nyttend}} Not sure why you're doubling down here. If I yelled out "hoax!" or "hoaxer!" every time I came across an editor adding content not properly backed up by the source they were adding, I would be hit with the AGF stick pretty quick, especially if it was a veteran editor who kept out of trouble. There are better ways to express your concerns. --] <sup>]</sup> 22:11, 30 September 2015 (UTC)


https://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:Reaper7#January_2020
::::::I am quite shocked to see how Nyttend is still accusing users of hoaxing. I suggest Nyttend to ] already. He has misused powers granted to admins and deliberately ignores the advice and complaints of over five users. Dismissing legitimate claims by veteran users and admins is counter-productive to a simple issue of content and wording. Calling every user a hoax and threatening to block them each and every time displays symptoms of needless disruption. The sources are there. Please deal with it accordingly through dialogue and discussion. Why the stonewalling? ] (]) 23:23, 30 September 2015 (UTC)


Is there anyway you can help put back this section, I noticed you also helped maintain this section over the years. It was well referenced (mainstream Greek media outlets) and hugely useful to the reader. There was no POV, it was not poorly referenced and every instance described took place - this is a massive loss to the page. ] (]) 02:47, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
:::::::Thank you Neil for your comment. Actually, as FPaS mentioned, the source backs up the statement in the caption. These provinces as depicted in the map have majority Kurdish populations. Thank you Etienne for your comments as well. Apart from the baseless hoax allegations, apart from calling my legitimate objections to his unjustifiable harangue {{tq|agitation}} and saying {{tq|Further agitation will be ignored.}} as if he is speaking as a warden to someone incarcerated in a correctional facility, ]: {{tq|If you wish, I can unprotect the page to enable you to restore the hoax to the article, but such will result in an immediate reversion and block.}}. He threw down the gauntlet just in case he was not already on a strong-enough power trip. And all this because I reverted not only a sockmaster but a tenured 8-year disruptive sockfarmer with close to 100 socks. In all my almost 10 years here I do not recall worse and more out-of-order behaviour from anyone, let alone an administrator. ]&nbsp;<small><sup style="position:relative">]<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.5ex;*left:-5.5ex">]</span></sup></small> 00:14, 1 October 2015 (UTC)


:Hi Reaper7. I haven't looked into this very closely, but there were big problems with the now removed section. I noticed there were conclusions and comparisons made about and between Pangalos's statements that were not included in the sources and the tone of some of the prose was not encyclopedic. Also the section heading is "Controversy", although they are not controversies per se, but Pangalos's statements, which may be controversial, but they may not have created any significant controversies worthy of inclusion in the article. I am sure there are controversies involving the politician. If you want to include them in the article, do so only for the big ones and with good sources. Do not connect statements on your own, as this may become OR or POV. As far as the warning you got, I'm not sure why you got it, since your recent addition to the article is innocuous and does not warrant the severe warning you got. Checking through the history of the article, I saw that you created some of the material of the section back in 2011, but these edits are way too old to warrant reviving such a strong warning which should have been given in 2011, if at all. Chalk this up to heavy-handed tactics. Conclusion, make a sandbox with the material you wish to add, make sure the sources are good and they describe it as a big controversy, ask me before you add it to the article, and you should be fine. Do not, under any circumstances, draw your own conclusions or use tabloid language such as "he got caught doing this or that". ] ] 03:49, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
== Why! ==
:: Thank you for researching what actually happened. Not only did I not create the section, the part I added was simply when Pangalos apparently called Greeks lazy - stated he would sue anyone who printed it and then when a Turkish journalist stated he had the recording, all court matters ceased - and that was back in 2011 I added that! People have added all sorts since then - 1 or 2 stories not sourced or their sources were removed for unknown reasons over the decade that make up the article but for my money, most of it was from reliable sources like To Vima for example. So it was strange when at the beginning of my warning he stated I had used poorly sourced material? There is enough material there to create a section on what at least by Greece's standards, things he stated that were controversial, but nothing on the scale of the controversies section of former president Lula for example, https://en.wikipedia.org/Luiz_In%C3%A1cio_Lula_da_Silva#Corruption_scandals_and_controversy. I will move forward with your suggestion and rebuild the section using the methodology you proposed. Thanks again and thanks for helping alleviate the obvious discomfort this warning gave me. ] (]) 12:32, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
:::You are welcome Reaper7. I agree that Vima is a reliable source. But the way the whole section was written it was tainted with editorialising statements such as {{tq| Theodoros Pangalos had, ''in sharp contrast to his later statements'',...}}, {{tq|''Yet in 2010,'' ''he angered Greeks'' when, responding to claims that the misappropriation of state funds had led to the country's insolvency, he spoke out in favor of austerity measures...}}, {{tq|''His year then further deteroriated when he was caught'' stating...}}, {{tq|Pangalos ''as a result went quiet''..}}, {{tq|In 2014, Pangalos ''insulted'' ...}} (italics indicate the editorialising). These statements do not appear to me to be part of the reliable sources. They appear to be connections or conclusions made by editors. As such they are ]. SYNTH and ] do not mix well. So, let the facts speak for themselves, without adding any editorialising of any kind. There is enough material for this politician to be added to the article but because there is so much we have to add the most important and representative samples backed by the best of sources and do that in a completely impassive and neutral manner as befits an encyclopedia. As far as over-the-top warnings, they are not good. But if they are not frequent, just ignore them. Anyway, let me know when you think the material may be ready for prime time. ] ] 16:59, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
:::: Will do!! ] (]) 21:48, 26 January 2020 (UTC)


:::::Cleaned up the Pangalos page as promised. I removed all editorialising and even referenced sections altogether. Let me know what you think: https://en.wikipedia.org/User:Reaper7/sandbox I am too afraid to publish it myself for obvious reasons as stated above. ] (]) 18:30, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
What! ] (]) 06:10, 1 October 2015 (UTC)


::::::Hi Reaper. Sorry to disappoint you, but I copyedited your sandbox and removed most of the entries. In the history you can see my comments. The sentence I left is not fit to be in the article imo, since it is unclear from the citations whom Pangalos was insulting, and the incident does not appear important enough to me to warrant inclusion, even if the semantics were fixed. ] ] 00:50, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
== AN discussion you might be interested in ==


:::::: Indeed very very disappointing and appears a little disproportionate, but understandable considering the political climate and the editor who was unhappy to begin with. A few comments. The section where Pangalos stated the Syriza politician had a filthy face and should be in a bikini. You were unhappy with the inclusion of this because of the use of the word 'insulted' which was not in the citation. Surely just remove the word insulted and it is acceptable? - not sure why the whole section had to be removed, it is certainly controversial and quite absurd and notable. Second point. You said there is no mention of litigation concerning Pangalos. The second citation does talk about the threat of Pangalos to sue the paper: ''Pangalos also said he would sue the Eleftheros Typos.'' So just drop the 'dropped litigation' part and I don't see it as inappropriate. So instead of deleting the entire section it could have easily be cleared up if the will was there to reflect the sources and even find new ones (I am not a Greek speaker). Third point. ''where he was supposed to be promoting Greek banks investing in Turkey'' - completely removed because of OR. Would this not be remedied if we removed the word ''supposed''? Fourth point. Entire Beijing comment section removed because of OR and dead citation. Again, is this not the incident? (found it on a quick google search)<ref>https://www.kathimerini.gr/398754/article/epikairothta/politikh/ti-kanei-e3allo-ton-pagkalo</ref> I think the section is workable. I think if you are willing to actually help we can remodel it together, however I am not a Greek speaker. I don't think it is much work on your part to make the section work if you really wanted to do it. However, I fully respect your decision and to be honest - I am still frightened from the warning I received considering I had very little to do with this section in the first place - so I am willing to appease the editor who warned me and drop it if you are not interested.] (]) 14:01, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
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:::::::Reaper I understand your point. I also see that you understood the editing problems associated with the sections I removed. Yes, I was in a bit of a hurry when removing these sections so that I could highlight their problems, and perhaps, if reworked, some of them could go in the article in a modified form or another. But, on balance, I'm still not sure if they are DUEWEIGHT and if they are not BLP violations even if they are improved. The usual suspect is not a bad editor overall, despite our disagreements in the past. Therefore, at first glance, I tend to broadly agree with his assessment of that section, minus the ugly warning he gave you. ] ] 19:59, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
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==Sorry for overstepping==
== Possible Mistake ==
Will try to be more cognizant of that in the future. Best, ] 21:27, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
:Hi El C. No need to apologise. I apologise, in turn, if my comment implied in any way that you overstepped, but I had no such intention. I did not take any offence from it in any way. It was just a minor gripe on my part, that, on retrospect, I should not have aired. In fact, I reiterate, that normally I don't participate on talkpages with DS sanctions and admin warnings, but I participate on that talkpage because I have always respected you as a content-aware admin, and I feel your presence is very much needed there. ] ] 22:32, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
::Thanks yet again, Dr.K. {{smiley}} As mentioned on the article talk page, if you find that my services are needed, please don't hesitate. Best, ] 22:35, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
:::Definitely, I will take you up on your offer, El C. {{smiley}} However, and this is meant very seriously, please do keep an eye on that talk and intervene whenever you deem it necessary. Take care. ] ] 22:41, 8 March 2020 (UTC)


== Probs better here ==
You have sent a "Discretionary sanctions notice about Armenia and Azerbaijan" in my talk page. I don't partake in ], ] topics in Misplaced Pages, this must be a confusion or a serious prank. ] (]) 04:42, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
:I can understand your confusion. To clarify, it applies anywhere on Misplaced Pages where the ] is mentioned "broadly construed". It also includes pictures of the Armenian Genocide. I suggest you read the relevant ] decision. ]&nbsp;<small><sup style="position:relative">]<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.5ex;*left:-5.5ex">]</span></sup></small> 04:51, 6 October 2015 (UTC)


I meant what I said on the talk page. I do respect you. I'm sorry if I come off as condescending. I have maybe tried too hard to convince you of my good faith. It is very hard to come off the right way on a minefield with limited time to post. Maybe that was not productive. Discord between certain editors involving myself has gotten to the point where it disrupts the normal editing process, and realistically it can never go away, but I would like to contain it to some degree -- so that is why I am saying this. You have done things I disagree with. Sometimes vehemently. I don't harbour dislike for you as an individual, nor do I think I am some voice of righteousness that you need to hear, or whatever. You are fine to think whatever you want of me. But it is a problem for everyone else if we have unnecessary disputes and clog talk pages, especially on major topics. --] (]) 18:10, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
So you think restricting my access to editing articles in Misplaced Pages is justified? on what account? You are abusing your power because you don't like the way I handled things? I will not take this insults lightly, when people like you push newcomers around and restrict their ambition for having better articles. I'm not involved in any Armenian or Azerbeijan topics at all, and putting me in "Requests for arbitration" behind my back feels like betrayal and stabbing and works in the shadow? {{rpa}} ] (]) 04:55, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
:And re "do not obstruct" -- that is not a comment on your motives, it is a comment on the effects. The effect is that after much text spent on a talk page, a single sentence has not been added to the mainspace. To be clear.--] (]) 18:12, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
::Calthinus, it doesn't make a difference. It is a matter of OR imo. Small sentence or big it doesn't mater. There is no justification for adding a precautionary note unrelated by RS to the context of the religious debate section of the article. And there is no obstruction in not allowing OR, big or small, enter any article. Next time, another editor will come in and add details about the antiviral properties of gold. And another will add another little OR on how miracles save you from viruses. A domino effect of little OR rebuttals festering inside the article. Not my cup of wiki tea. Not by any measure. Got to go now. ] ] 18:23, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
== The 100 DYK Creation and Expansion Medal ==


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:Please don't get excited and read my note at your talkpage again. It is just an information update without prejudice of wrongdoing. Btw, I took the liberty of removing your personal attack. I will also give you a formal warning on your talkpage since you apparently did not follow my advice at the talk page of the article to not continue your personal attacks. ]&nbsp;<small><sup style="position:relative">]<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.5ex;*left:-5.5ex">]</span></sup></small> 05:01, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
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==Misuse of Twinkle==
Hi, Doctor K. Re . How do you mean, their right to use Twinkle will be removed? Is there a way of technically removing their access to Twinkle? Or do you mean they could be banned by an administrator from using Twinkle? I haven't seen that done either. Can you link me to somewhere useful? Because obviously the user needs to stop abusing Twinkle. ] &#124; ] 09:49, 11 October 2015 (UTC).
:Hi Bishonen. Now that you asked, I can't quote chapter and verse but I do recall seeing a conversation in some noticeboard about removal of Twinkle. However it has been a long time and I can't be one hundred percent certain. I could check further but I need some time. Perhaps a tps could provide some technical information faster than I can. ]&nbsp;<small><sup style="position:relative">]<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.5ex;*left:-5.5ex">]</span></sup></small> 10:18, 11 October 2015 (UTC)
:Hi Bishonen again. I checked the ANI archives and there have been discussions regarding removal of TW. I can't link to them currently because I am using my ancient touchpad and it is not very good at copying and pasting. ]&nbsp;<small><sup style="position:relative">]<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.5ex;*left:-5.5ex">]</span></sup></small> 10:40, 11 October 2015 (UTC)
*:{{ping|Bishonen}} There ] which would stop users but in 2011 there was a rewrite of TW which did away with it. Blocking is the only way to stop them from using it.<br />&nbsp;—&nbsp;] ] 12:52, 11 October 2015 (UTC)
*::Thank you both. Very useful to know, ], because it's something I've been wondering from time to time. But I guess it's not really ever the Twinkle use that is the issue: it's abuse and disruption, for instance posting nonsensical warning templates. It's just that Twinkle makes it so quick and simple, which is unfortunate in some cases. Anyway, I have warned the user against making personal attacks — such as calling contradiction "vandalism" and/or "racial discrimination" — and will block if it, or other disruption, happens again. (Dr K, you don't think a new touchpad such as mine makes it any easier, do you? I hate the damn thing.) ] &#124; ] 13:53, 11 October 2015 (UTC).
*:::The story with my ] is that a few months ago its battery went so dead, because of lack of use, that the machine needed charging for almost 24 hours to even turn on. Since then I use it for simple web surfing just to keep the battery on a normal charge-recharge cycle. To make matters worse this antique tablet runs on WebOS and its keyboard does not have the control-button making copy-paste shortcuts such as ctrl-C/V impossible. It was during that time that {{u|Bishonen}} asked me about the details of TW removal. I replied to her as best I could under the circumstances. By the time I had graduated to the news that TW-use was moved from monobook.js to user-preferences, thus making it unremovable, I just gave up trying to explain it from the venerable but limited touchpad. That's when {{u|Berean Hunter}} picked up the slack, for which I thank him very much.

::::It is unfortunate that TW access cannot be removed as was the case in the past, but as Bishonen mentions it is the disruption that must be stopped rather than the use of the actual tool. The thing is that in contested areas, where the editing is frequently toxic, using semi-automated tools to attack other editors makes these attacks both easier to carry-out and potentially more frequent. India-related topics are one of those toxic areas where use of semi-automated robots should not be allowed as a means of proliferating attacks against any editor, let alone editors like {{u|Sitush}} who for years have been cleaning up the local mess. Personal attacks are often used by disruptive editors as tools to increase their leverage in editing disputes. The last thing we need in this project is the introduction of robots as attack tools in the hands of disruptive editors. That is why I intervened. To make matters even worse the offending editor not only abused TW, s/he also abused the edit-summary field by leveling hard-to-defend-against edit-summary attacks. If their behaviour continues a block would be required, which would also solve the TW abuse problem by default since use of TW while blocked is not possible. Thank you both for your comments and advice. Take care. ]&nbsp;<small><sup style="position:relative">]<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.5ex;*left:-5.5ex">]</span></sup></small> 16:41, 11 October 2015 (UTC)
:::::Hey, Doc, have you seen for improving the situation at caste articles? About to be closed as sucessful, I do believe. Should make Sitush's life a little easier. :-) One can hope. ] &#124; ] 17:03, 11 October 2015 (UTC).
::::::Hi Bish. Yes, as it happens, I did see the proposal a few days ago when the 500/30 proposal caught my eye. One can only hope as you say. If the 500/30 rule proves inadequate, perhaps the escalating addition of zeroes to the rule may make it more effective. Future rule updates may include the 5000/300 rule, the 50000/3000 rule, etc. :) ]&nbsp;<small><sup style="position:relative">]<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.5ex;*left:-5.5ex">]</span></sup></small> 17:15, 11 October 2015 (UTC)

==DYK for The Creeping Garden==
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== Momentary block ==

Apologies for the momentary block, I meant to block the latest troll. Argh. '''<font face="Arial">] <small>]</small></font>''' 00:57, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
:No, no thanks needed! '''<font face="Arial">] <small>]</small></font>''' 00:58, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
::But I insist {{u|Acroterion}}. It was the shortest indef in wiki-history. It's kind of a record. :) Take care. ]&nbsp;<small><sup style="position:relative">]<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.5ex;*left:-5.5ex">]</span></sup></small> 01:03, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
:::Oops. ] (]) 01:05, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
:::It was immediately clear that you'd reformed and repented, that you'd respect the norms and conventions of this collaborative community, that you'd only write GAs and better from now on, that you'd never take Jimbo's name in vain, blargh glug ... Bear in mind that my first action as an administrator in 2007 was to accidentally block myself. '''<font face="Arial">] <small>]</small></font>''' 01:07, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
::::I can vouch for that. Dr.K has a long history of disruption, but the clean slate starts now. ] (]) 01:11, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
:::::Thank you Drmies for giving me a second chance. Btw, I was ready to request semiprotection of my talkpage through RFPP but I couldn't complete the report due to the momentary indef. I think you are clairvoyant and semiprotected my talkpage anyway. :) Thank you for that also. I'm glad Acroterion understood my immediate repentance and compliance with the wiki oath of conduct. I shudder to think what would have happened otherwise. :) I have to check his self-block to see if I still qualify for the shortest block in wiki-history. :) ]&nbsp;<small><sup style="position:relative">]<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.5ex;*left:-5.5ex">]</span></sup></small> 01:20, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
::::::Nope, I unblocked myself within the same minute, though I might have had an unfair advantage if I blocked myself at 12:46:01 and unblocked at 12:46:59. I was thinking of making it a condition of your unblock that you read the terms of service, but that seemed cruel. '''<font face="Arial">] <small>]</small></font>''' 01:30, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
:::::::Well, I may still qualify for the shortest non self-block so I'll settle for that. As far as the terms of service, you are right. I may have preferred to have stayed blocked instead of reading them. I mean there is so much boring stuff I can do on a given day. :) ]&nbsp;<small><sup style="position:relative">]<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.5ex;*left:-5.5ex">]</span></sup></small> 01:43, 14 October 2015 (UTC)

==DYK for Greek Constitution of 1973==
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== ] ==

I ran into the same editor who had disputes with others about ]. He thinks of me as someone not able to cooperate with; he even said so in his user page. --] (]) 06:48, 18 October 2015 (UTC)
:I checked perfunctorily some of the exchanges and I didn't like what I saw. There were some nasty personal attacks. I suggest you disengage from this editor and let the RfC take its course. Getting into a protracted argument with another editor is not a good idea, especially in a wiki and even less during an RfC. The community is bound to offer its opinion and this matter will be resolved because of that. No need for personal fights. ]&nbsp;<small><sup style="position:relative">]<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.5ex;*left:-5.5ex">]</span></sup></small> 07:08, 18 October 2015 (UTC)
:: Did I make any nasty personal attacks, a protracted argument, or something? --] (]) 07:15, 18 October 2015 (UTC)
:::No, not the big ones. You didn't. ]&nbsp;<small><sup style="position:relative">]<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.5ex;*left:-5.5ex">]</span></sup></small> 07:22, 18 October 2015 (UTC)

== Rangeblock for recent AIV ==

I rangeblocked 184.151.176.0/20. Hopefully this catches all of them. Thanks for reporting it to ] -- ] 06:54, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
:Don't mention it Samir. It was my pleasure. Thank you for the rangeblock. Take care. '''] ]''' 06:56, 25 October 2015 (UTC)

== Article about foreign irredendist concept as... Top-Importance Greek article? ==

Hello, Dr.K. I have stumped upon a very unusual finding, here, that I deemed worth bringing to other Greek moderator's attention, in case of it being just a mistake or accident.
The article ] is classified as being Category: Top-importance Greek articles , which I find pretty weird, given the fact that other nationalist irredendist concepts which have existed in the past, or still exist today, like the ] or the ], are not classified as such. Isn't this strange, given that this is just a nationalist concept, which is not officially supported by the Republic of Albania and Kosovo, or am I missing something here regarding the reason it is added into the list of Top-important Greek articles? --] (]) 18:15, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
::I have made a Importance re-assessment of the article Greater Albania for the WikiProject Greece, as per https://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Greece/Assessment#Requests_for_assessment and at same time I filed a request for Importance re-assessment to be conducted from someone outside. Your opinion and advice is highly valued, and that is why I asked for it in the first place. Have a good day... --] (]) 04:06, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
:::{{reply|SilentResident}} Hi SR. It is always nice talking to you. In this instance I think you know more than I do in this subject area so I will defer to your judgment. I think you made the right call given the background you provided. In the very unlikely case any problems arise let me know. Take care. '''] ]''' 04:16, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
::::Thanks :D --] (]) 04:29, 26 October 2015 (UTC)

== Removed content ==

I some random comment from the request page. To where can I put that comment? --] (]) 03:00, 27 October 2015 (UTC)
:It was already replied to by Cyberbot so it would have been ok if it had stayed on the page. Now that you removed it, you can leave a message to the editor requesting protection to tell him to submit a new, technically correct, report. '''] ]''' 03:09, 27 October 2015 (UTC)
:: It was put at "request to edit" section; ] was inaccessible to newly registered users. It didn't look like a request to edit to me. ] (]) 03:27, 27 October 2015 (UTC)
:::I agree. It looks like a random comment. You did well to revert it. '''] ]''' 03:43, 27 October 2015 (UTC)

== Rabauter ==

I agree with you -- it looks really strange, and I am not exactly sure what was going on. The other two accounts basically stopped activity after a while, and Rabauter started trolling. Of course, there were the talk page comments and all. This does convince me that they are linked somehow, but I am not sure how. ]<sup>]</sup> 22:17, 28 October 2015 (UTC)

:Hi GAB. I think it may be a case of ]. Btw, thank you for your help in the SPI. All the best. '''] ]''' 22:21, 28 October 2015 (UTC)

::That was my second guess. Thanks, ]<sup>]</sup> 22:47, 28 October 2015 (UTC)

==Sock at ANI==
Thanks. I'm banned from ANI myself (see note at the top of my page), but I'm glad {{noping|The Unstopable 4G}} pinged the "corrupt meat puppet" ], who blocked some of the IPs. I thought of blocking this one for egregious spelling errors (compare ]) and for misleading username, since they're not well, really unstoppable. Feel free to tag them if you like — not that I think there's much practical benefit. ] &#124; ] 15:14, 29 October 2015 (UTC).
:Hi Bishonen. I had forgotten about your voluntary ban from ANI. And I was wondering why you didn't post a message. :) Anyway, the socks have their own terminology which they apply to those who revert or block them. They also use their own corrupted version of English orthography, a trait shared with master Alexyflemming and the rest of the sock farm. For future reference I will tag the latest family as a separate farm, since Alexy is stale. Thank you and take care. '''] ]''' 15:27, 29 October 2015 (UTC)

== ] ==

Hi Dr.K. In summary, ] is when I make an edit and provide reason and no one reverts (assuming no-one disagrees) It stays. But if someone reverts my edit, I go to talk page for discussion. Right? Just want to make sure. (] (]) 05:19, 1 November 2015 (UTC))
:Hi N0n3up. Yes, your interpretation of BRD is correct. Best regards. ] ] 05:24, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

== Unsupported reverts ==

Hi Dr.K. The reason I asked the question about BOLD in my post above because user Snowded keeps reverting my edit without being concise about to why he keeps reverting. He always reverts my edits and lectures and forces me to go to talk page for even the smallest edit, yet he only does this to me and not other editors. No one has even disagreed with my edit, yet Snowded just uses any justifications he can to keep me from editing. Again, he does this with me, not other users. He never presented any valid arguments for the previous argument we had before the current one and in occasion had even used instead of concentrating on the topic in hand. And accuses me of edit-warring, personal attacks and other new stuff he brings up to prevent me from doing any editing. You can see in his , the article's and the post I placed on that I never made any personal attacks whatsoever, nor have I edit-warred as seen here that I never went ahead of the ], but went to the talk page and discussed it as . Nevertheless, Snowded brings up whatever he can to go against me and my edit by repeating or bringing new arguments that he never covered in the early phases to justify his case without even providing sources nor solid arguments. I came because you talked to me in the previous event, not because I wan't you to support me, but to show you the things Snowded is doing is going against all Misplaced Pages reasoning and want to seen I placed an edit following BOLD yet Snowded always tries to do whatever to undo my edits, when he doesn't do the same to other editors that made their contribution to the talk page. The first edit has been going on for days, and now that I make another edit, he disregards what I say without even reading what I wrote. (] (]) 15:09, 1 November 2015 (UTC))

:Hi {{u|N0n3up}}. I will check into this as soon as I have some free time later today. In the meantime, keep applying the discussion cycle of BRD by continuing the discussion without any further reversions. This way you will enhance your own position in any dispute resolution steps or any other noiceboard-related activity that may arise out of this dispute. ] ] 18:40, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

::I saw you commented on the previous matter, but now, it's to know whether to use "world power" or "global power". If look at the numbers, you'll see there is more on than there is on . (] (]) 00:39, 2 November 2015 (UTC))

:::I tend to agree with your analysis. However it seems that the editors commenting there don't agree with your position. I would suggest waiting for a decision at DRN and then, if that fails, you can open an RfC. However, this seems like a small matter so I would not spend too much time on it if it continues without achieving a clear resolution. In other words, don't get too invested in it. ] ] 00:49, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
::::I appreciate the thanks, but why did you thank me? (] (]) 01:06, 2 November 2015 (UTC))
:::::For saying: {{tq|This is my final statement until further notice, I also agree this had gone too far.}}. I see this statement as a recognition that the discussion needs some de-escalation. This is a very positive thing. ] ] 01:12, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

::::::Thanks for your support. But my concern is that the decision reached by the "consensus" (Juanriley and Snowded) is technically incorrect, because I checked that "world power" is most often used in books to refer to the discussed topic , , and if you look at results from Google Scholar: and Google: , you'll see that "world power" is most used than "global power". And since me and JuanRiley have a history of disputes going back to some months ago has obviously influenced him to launch himself into the discussion to simply screw me. Not to mention that I've been accused of forum shopping in . And it all began when Snowded decided to simply hunt down my edits.. Only mines, not others. So you can see my situation here. I'm just letting you see the picture. (] (]) 03:31, 2 November 2015 (UTC))

:::::::Your point about the equivalent term has merit. However, the absence of other editors supporting the alternative term may indicate that the difference is not great enough for editors to bother to make a comment. In that case and in the face of opposition it may be better to walk away from the conflict. Also trying to analyse the motives of the opposing editors is not helpful for many reasons starting with AGF. I know it is hard sometimes to AGF but if it were easy it wouldn't be one of the five pillars because everyone would be doing it without being prompted. ] ] 07:51, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

::::::::You're right. It's best to leave it at the moment. So what should I do now? (] (]) 18:07, 2 November 2015 (UTC))

:::::::::It's up to you. You can just let it go. But if it really bothers you can open an RfC in the near future to let others voice their opinion. After the RfC is finished I suggest dropping the matter altogether. It's simply not worth your time at least imo. Don't forget to do things one at a time, i.e. one DRN, one RfC per turn. Otherwise you will be accused of FORUM shopping. ] ] 18:58, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

::::::::::Thanks Dr.K. if only more users were honest like you. (] (]) 20:08, 2 November 2015 (UTC))

:::::::::::Thank you very much {{u|N0n3up}} for your kind words. If you ever think that I can help in any way don't hesitate to ask me. Take care. ] ] 22:21, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

== ] ==

Would you be interested in giving your opinion concerning sources on the Basil I talk page? --] (]) 16:38, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

:Hi Kansas. Will do as soon as I come back. Take care. ] ] 18:41, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

== Muhammad view of Slavery ==

The article is very un-balanced and biased, I found out after User submitted a complaint, ]. Manumission was never discouraged and the opposite was true after I checked it, it is encouraged. Someone is twisting Muhammad's hadith on giving gifts to discouraging manumission. The hadith I compiled and found are from the chapter called "Manumission of Slave", while the alleged hadith on manumission discouraged is from a chapter called "Gifts" especially the 16th section titled "A woman giving gifts to someone other than husband" ] (]) 03:34, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

:Ok. No problem. Thank you Alexis. ] ] 07:56, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

== Eastern Orthodox views on Noah's Ark and Mt. Ararat ==

Hello! I'm currently ] the ] article. As you may know, according to the most popular interpretation of the Old Testament, the supposed Noah's Ark landed on Mt. Ararat. Researching the topic, I found an article which states: ''The '''European tradition (accepted by most Western Christians today)''' places the ark on "Mount Ararat" in eastern Turkey''

The source implies that Eastern Orthodox Churches do not. Can you please look into the topic if you have time? Does the Greek Orthodox Church have any views on it?

Also, can you please find Genesis 8:4 in Greek and see if it says "mountains of Ararat" (as in most cases) or "mountains of Armenia" (as in the ]). seems to say Ararat. --] ] 13:48, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

:That's an interesting question. I will check it out and let you know. Take care. ] ] 19:13, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

:I checked the Greek wikipedia on Noah and it mentions Ararat. This : "Η Γένεση δεν λέει ότι η Κιβωτός κάθισε επάνω «στο βουνό Αραράτ», αλλά «στα βουνά του Αραράτ»". So I assume that the Orthodox Church is in full agreement with all the other dogmas on Noah's narrative but I didn't find any official Church positions on the subject. ] ] 01:10, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
::Thanks a lot! --] ] 07:45, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
:::Don't mention it Yerevantsi. It was a pleasure. Take care. ] ] 14:29, 3 November 2015 (UTC)

==Allegra Versace==
If you want to, you can take a look at the article about ]. That article is this weeks TAFI.--] (]) 22:25, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
:Hi BabbaQ. I checked it and I didn't find anything that needed fixing. ] ] 01:12, 3 November 2015 (UTC)

== Your signature ==

Just a quick note to say I think your signature is clever. I can't understand Greek, but I do know the Greek alphabet and the words ''logos'' and ''praxis''. Thanks for your many contributions to English Misplaced Pages! —] ]] 06:43, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
:Thank you very much {{u|GrammarFascist}} for your kind comments. As far as my signature, I am glad you understood the semantics behind its design. I have recently decided to change it so it is ironic to get kudos for a signature that I no longer use. But your kind words are appreciated all the same. :) Take care. ] ] 16:33, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
::You're welcome, Dr. K. I'm glad I got to see the old one, though I suppose the one you're currently using is more accessible to a greater number of users. Best, ] ]] 16:39, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
:::Thank you again GrammarFascist. I think you are in the perfect wiki-demographic to appreciate my older signature. But as you so aptly stated, accessibility is also a good thing. :) I fully agree. ] ] 16:42, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

==DYK for Bailo of Corfu==
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== Email ==

{{You've got mail}} Hi Dr. K, I hope you don't mind that I've sent you an email requesting your advice on how I should proceed in addressing a problem. I respect your clear-headed style. ] (]) 17:27, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
:Thank you very much Carlstak for your kind words which I really appreciate coming from an editor I greatly respect. I have replied. Take care. ] ] 19:03, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

== Hello ==

{{You've got mail}}

I hope you see my mail Dr.K. ] (]) 23:08, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

:Hi Alexis. I have replied. Best regards. ] ] 01:10, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

== ] ==

I don't know my opinions of my own actions. I thought what I had to do: convince people to oppose a nomination. ... I kinda turned an ongoing-only nomination to a blurb nomination at Metrojet crash just to create opposition, which got disregarded. I thought there would have been no consensus, but administrators ignored the opposition and then posted the event with feeling what is "right" to them, although the whole posting thing looks illogical. Shall I explain more? --] (]) 07:10, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
:Yes, please. ] ] 14:38, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
:: The event Metrojet flight (''something'') was nominated as ongoing event, and I added a blurb and then opposed the whole event as blurb and ongoing. I have been rebutted as well as other opposition side. I tried, but that annoyed them. My arguments got disregarded, and the event was posted as "Ongoing" anyway. <small>This is</small> ] <small>actually</small> (]) 21:45, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

== ] ==

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:Please comment at ]. ''']''' '''<sup>]</sup>''' 17:07, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

::Thank you very much {{u|Tahc}} for the kind invitation but I do not specialise in templates. Best regards. ] ] 18:48, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

==DYK nomination of Pantaleone Barbo==
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==DYK nomination of Lorenzo de Monacis==
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== Delete! ==

You can remove a member page ] of me? ] (]) 01:04, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
==Marie Serneholt==
If you want to, please take a look at the article ], which is this weeks TAFI article. Regards,--] (]) 20:15, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

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== ] ==

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== By the way ==

I, as a Turk, have nothing against Greeks. In fact, my friends and I listen to Greek music all the time in the office. -] (]) 09:09, 27 November 2015 (UTC)

==DYK nomination of Nikos Foskolos==
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== Edit Warring ==

I did not mean to ignite the flames on that article, "Ancient Macedonian Language." The user, Judist, provided the proper citation needed for a Misplaced Pages article. I recommend keeping his revision for the sake of providing a balanced and short summary of why the classification of the language is complicated. If needed, please do bring this up to the other (if there are any) editors. Lastly, I am not a "sock" of that user. He/She has an altogether different IP address. Please do not block mine. I only wish to provide useful information to this article.
-Thank you
] (]) 17:10, 29 November 2015 (UTC) Nick
:Thank you anon for your clarification. Regarding Judist's edit, ], s/he removed text supported by a reliable and recent source stating that: ""and the recent ] discoveries in the ], such as the ], suggest that ancient Macedonian was a variety of the ]". Judist then added more text about Illyrian, Thracian and Macedonian languages. Coupled with the blanking of the epigraphic text and source, Judist's overall edit was POV and unbalanced. That is why I reverted it. This user is currently blocked for edit-warring his POV across many such articles and for ] the edits of his perceived opponents to unrelated articles just to ]. You have made few edits so I thought you were his sock when you reverted. But I will take your explanation in ] that you are not his sock. Btw, I'm not an admin so I cannot block your account. ] ] 17:31, 29 November 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for the prompt response. Regarding that edit, perhaps there is a way to merge those 2 viewpoints in the same paragraph for a more detailed and concise explanation. -Nick

:You are very welcome Nick. Thank you for your message. As far as merging, I am against the idea because of the reasons given by {{u|Athenean}} ] just a few days ago. ] ] 19:18, 29 November 2015 (UTC)

== Talk:Turkey#Armenian issue ==

Please be informed that I have opened a dispute at Misplaced Pages:Dispute resolution noticeboard. -] (]) 10:10, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
:{{yo|Dominator1453}} Thank you Dominator. Please do not reply to this message as you are currently topic-banned from this topic but ]. Please stand by. ] ] 03:48, 3 December 2015 (UTC)

== ] ==

Why did you revert by ]? This file doesn't violate copyright. ] Please read Commons' discription carefully.--] (]) 10:29, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

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== Stuck again ==

Hi Dr.K. Long time no talk. I just wanted to let you know I'm back and wan't to thank you again for your messages. Although I'm back, I'm afraid not in a good start. As I've made a simple edit and made a discussion. Snowded is also back, and he seems to have stalked me since I left a post here and is starting to somehow want to start the whole fuzz that happened before in the article ] if you remember and not to mention, threats. At this point, I'm not sure what to do. Heres where it's currently happening . Sorry to bother you, but I really don't know what to do about his behavior. (] (]) 17:55, 15 December 2015 (UTC))

== N0n3up ==

Are you actually mentoring the above? I agreed I would leave him to other editors to track but and are problematic to say the least. ----] <small><sup>]</sup></small> 07:56, 17 December 2015 (UTC)
::I didn't know pointing out errors and having a descent discussion were problematic actions. Also I would prefer if you didn't refer to me as a "the" but according to my name. Thanks. (] (]) 08:45, 17 December 2015 (UTC))
:::Engaging in a content discussion is not the issue ----] <small><sup>]</sup></small> 08:52, 17 December 2015 (UTC)
::::Okay. (] (]) 09:04, 17 December 2015 (UTC))

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:{{reply to|Diannaa|label=Dianna}} Thank you very much Dianna for your kind words and the wonderful greetings from such a great country. :) Best of the Season to you too and a Happy New Year! Cheers, ] ] 07:56, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

== DYK for Visibility Zero ==

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== Frohe Weihnachten 2015 ==

Have a relaxing holiday and thank you all your work herein this past year. Cheers, ] (]) 01:00, 24 December 2015 (UTC)
:Danke schön {{u|Kierzek}}. Frohe Weihnachten und Frohes neues Jahr to you also. :) Thank you for your kind words and for everything you do here. It is always nice talking to you. Take care. ] ] 01:49, 24 December 2015 (UTC)

== Happy Holidays :) ==

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Hi Dr.K! I just want to wish you a merry Christmas and happy New Years. I hope your wishes come true this year. I also want to thank you for being helpful, patient and kind with me. Happy Holidays :-) (] (]) 06:44, 24 December 2015 (UTC))
:You are very welcome {{u|N0n3up}} and thank you for your kind comments. Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to you too. ] ] 09:30, 24 December 2015 (UTC)

== Merry Christmas ==

Merry Christmas from Australia my Greek friend! All the best for ya! '''] <span style="color:#6A0888; font-style:italic">]</span>''' 10:41, 24 December 2015 (UTC)
:Thank you very much {{u|Luxure}}. Merry Christmas to you too and a Happy and prosperous New Year! Take care. ] ] 11:17, 24 December 2015 (UTC)

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] (]) is wishing you a ] ]! This greeting (and season) promotes ] and hopefully this note has made your day a little better. Spread the WikiLove by wishing another user a ], whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Happy New Year! <br />

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Khronye pola! --] (]) 21:36, 24 December 2015 (UTC)
:{{ping|Iryna Harpy|label=Iryna}}. Efharisto poly Iryna. It is very nice talking to you, especially during this season. Have a Merry Christmas and a Wonderful New Year! Take care. ] ] 22:06, 24 December 2015 (UTC)

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:Thank you very much {{u|Bzuk}}. My best wishes to you and yours for a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year! Take care. ] ] 22:11, 24 December 2015 (UTC)

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:{{ping|Davey2010|label=Dave}} Thank you very much Dave. My best wishes to you and yours for a Merry Christmas and a very Happy New Year! Thank you also for all the great work you are doing on the project. :) Take care. ] ] 23:34, 24 December 2015 (UTC)

== Καλά Χριστούγεννα to you ==

and a Happy New Year, too! --] (]) 09:32, 25 December 2015 (UTC)
:{{ping|TU-nor|label=T*U}} Thank you so much T*U. It is always nice talking to an old friend especially at this time of year. My best wishes to you and yours for a Merry Christmas and a very Happy New Year! Take care. ] ] 22:06, 25 December 2015 (UTC)

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Dear Dr. K., thank you for the warm wishes! I really like the picture on your card, as well as all the pictures on this page. Wishing you and yours a wonderful holiday season! Best, ] (]) 21:08, 24 December 2015 (UTC)
:Thank you very much {{u|Yoninah}} for your kind wishes. I also really appreciate your nice words about my pictures. Take care and all my best wishes to you and yours. ] ] 21:45, 25 December 2015 (UTC)

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:{{ping|Seric2|label=Seric}} Thank you very much for your kind wishes Seric and the nice Christmas card. It is always very nice talking to an old friend. Thank you also for all the great work you are doing here. Take care. ] ] 21:58, 25 December 2015 (UTC)


:Dear {{u|evrik}}, what a welcome surprise, especially in such rather bleak times. The wiki works in mysterious ways. After such a long time, instead of my DYK contributions being forgotten, I get such a nice award for them. I hope you and yours keep well and stay safe. Take care. ] ] 04:19, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
== Socks on Talk:Leonardo da Vinci ==


== Dispute resolution ==
Hey Dr. K.,


I left you on El C's talkpage. Maybe it got lost in the rapid sequence of messaging there. Do you think you could list the instances and sources you consider POV and why you consider them so on the talkpage?--] (]) 21:01, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
I wanted to make you aware that I have already requested a checkuser to verify if those are socks or not. See ] The vandalism seems to be a result of a joke made by ] yesterday. If you want to add Heytherefuzzybear to the request please feel free to do so. --] (]) 20:32, 26 December 2015 (UTC)
:In no time have I said the sources are POV, although some may be. I have already stated that my tags sqeak for themselves. If a tag indicates improper synthesis then one should go to the source, check what the source actually says and remove the SYNTH. Same goes for the rest of the tags. ] ] 21:53, 26 April 2020 (UTC)


==Genocide of Serbs==
:Ha. We have a larger sockfarm. I was wondering about that. Thank you {{u|Stabila711}} for letting me know. I'll add the sock to your SPI. Best regards. ] ] 20:35, 26 December 2015 (UTC)
Dear Dr.K., I hope you're doing well these days. I've noticed your contributions to the genocide articles. There is some kind of edit war in the ] article. There is also an ongoing ] about the lead and Background section, the chronological order of events, broader context etc. If you have the time, I would like you to look at the situation and try to give your opinion, as a kind of neutral side. It would mean a lot to calm a tense situation, and the topic is extremely significant. I'm sure you can help. All the best.--] (]) 11:34, 1 May 2020 (UTC)


==Barnstar!==

] (]) 15:10, 27 December 2015 (UTC)]]
:{{ping|Alexikoua|label=Alexi}} Thank you very much Alexi. Best of the season to you and yours and a Happy New year! ] ] 00:44, 28 December 2015 (UTC)

== why you removing khairabad sitapur information ==

why you removing khairabad sitapur information. We live in khairabad we know is town. What Misplaced Pages need to verify the facts. Please let us know. ] (]) 15:12, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
:{{yo|Shadabxp}} You need to use reliable sources for all the information you are trying to add to the article. Please see ]. Also you cannot add names to articles that are not articles themselves. ] ] 17:38, 30 December 2015 (UTC)

== 2016 ==

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:{{reply|Cullen328|label=Cullen}} Happy New Year to you too Cullen! Thank you very much for the wonderful card and the nice greetings. :) Take care. ] ] 07:52, 31 December 2015 (UTC)

== 2016 year of the reader and peace ==

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Thank you for your support and wishes, returned with ], and the peace bell by ]! --] (]) 10:41, 31 December 2015 (UTC)
:{{reply|Gerda Arendt|label=Gerda}} Thank you very much Gerda for the nice card. May the New Year be Happy, Prosperous and Peaceful for you and yours. Take care. ] ] 17:23, 31 December 2015 (UTC)

:: Thank you! Click on bell for the soft sound of peace (and jest) ;) --] (]) 11:30, 2 January 2016 (UTC)
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:{{ping|Davey2010|label=Dave}} Thank you very much Dave. My best wishes to you and yours for a Happy and Prosperous New Year! Keep up the good work. :) Take care. ] ] 18:28, 1 January 2016 (UTC)
::You're more than welcome and thank you so much :), If by keeping up the good work you mean pissing everyone off then ofcourse I'll do my absolute best {{p|grin}}, Thanks and you keep the great work too :) –] <sup>]</sup> 20:37, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

== Mauthausen ==

Καταρχάς, καλή χρονιά, με υγεία κι ευτυχία! Second, really nice work on the Mauthausen Ballad! The Guardian has a on Kambanellis which might be useful to flesh this out further. Cheers, ] ] 11:22, 2 January 2016 (UTC)
:Επίσης Κώστα. Ευχαριστώ πολύ. Thank you also very much for the reference, the DYK review and your kind words about the ballad. I'll check the reference and add it to the article. Ευτιχισμένος ο Καινούργιος Χρόνος και ό, τι επιθυμείς. ] ] 18:12, 2 January 2016 (UTC)
::By remarkable coincidence, a friend sent me this today: . It seems to be quite popular there, and this reminds me, IIRC, back in 2001, there were TV shots of ] troops entering Kabul under this tune. Seems kind of appropriate to use this song to celebrate liberation from a regime like the Taliban... Best, ] ] 20:30, 5 January 2016 (UTC)
:::It gets even better. :) I had seen the news about the use of the song about the Afghans and the Kurds but I had forgotten about it. Your comment reminded me of that and ]. Thank you very much for that Costa. Take care. ] ] 21:38, 5 January 2016 (UTC)

== Promotional edit? ==

Hi Dr.K! I hope you had a great holiday :) I'm sorry to bother you though with this question on editing promotions. I spotted in ], which looked to me like a promotional edit. I reverted it, then reverted myself after the agreement of . I just want to know if this is legit or promotional. (] (]) 02:30, 3 January 2016 (UTC))
:Hi {{u|N0n3up}}. No problem at all. You are very welcome to ask me anything at any time. I checked the edit you mentioned and I don't think it's promotional. I actually think the change the IP made was constructive and added some new information that was neutral in tone. Your decision to leave it in place was correct. I also take this opportunity to wish you Happy New Year! All the best to you. ] ] 06:14, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

== OK, I photographed it from a video why piracy? ==

OK, I photographed it from a video why piracy?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXEIQRtbNO8&list=PLV8QCeBgXalYjDoo5ldmbVc4LzCzDSPO5&index=7 <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) </span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned -->

:The video is not yours so you are not allowed to photograph it and then claim the photo is yours. Its copyright isn't yours. It belongs to the owner of the video. ] ] 07:18, 4 January 2016 (UTC)

==DYK for Mauthausen Trilogy==
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{{user precious again|interesting music! I mentioned it on ].|width=24em}} --] (]) 12:56, 6 January 2016 (UTC)
:Thank you very much Gerda for this elegant gift and for adding the article to the portal. Your comments are an honour. Take care. ] ] 13:30, 6 January 2016 (UTC)

== Regarding this revision history ==

Hello Dr.K., a happy New Year to you! Hope you had a good one, first of all.

I was wondering, as far as I can see, the article was stating in the lede "(..)and Persians", prior to his edits, or am I mistaken? I just took a revision here long before any of his socks edited it () and it still stated the list including Persians, and not Assyrians.
Later, some days ago as we speak, it was changed to Assyrians by Athenean, and the sock did some warring with him and others, before being indeffed.

Could you clarify this up for me, perhaps, if you have time? Also, didn't the Achaemenids have a presence in Anatolia dating from about the earliest days dating from the establishment of the empire (in the latter half of the 6th century BC)? So shouldn't that, including the Assyrians, stay there as well? Bests - ] (]) 14:09, 6 January 2016 (UTC)

:I am afraid you did not go back far enough. The last clean version is from ] and it was edited by {{u|KazekageTR}}. This version does not have any mention of Persians. If you press newer revision, after the one by Kazekage, that's when you get the blocked sock {{u| Eldarion of Gondor and Arnor}}. More and more socks appear after that as the discovered ones get blocked and the new ones activate. As far as the presence of the Persians etc., if legit, it should be hashed out at the article talkpage. I hope this helps. ] ] 15:16, 6 January 2016 (UTC)
::The reason I changed it to Assyrians is because the sentence says "inhabited". As far as I know, while the Persian empire ruled Anatolia for several centuries, there never were large Persian-inhabited areas in Anatolia. Kurds, perhaps, but no Persians as far as I can tell. In contrast, southeastern Anatolia has been inhabited by Assyrians since ancient times (e.g. ] region). I'm guessing the reason the sock kept edit-warring over it is that as a Turkish ultranationalist, he is allergic to any mention of Assyrians. ] (]) 16:04, 6 January 2016 (UTC)

:::{{ec}} Thank you Athenean. In fact ]. As you can see, the Persians and a bunch of other peoples were added without any additional source to support the new material, although Ionians and Aeolians are well-established as native peoples. ] ] 16:12, 6 January 2016 (UTC)

::::Thanks (you too, {{ping|Athenean}}), that explains everything. Persian ruled areas, sure, for very long. Even the ] as we know, which was founded long after the fall of the Achaemenids, was of Persian descent. But no, indeed, as far as I know, large native ethnic communities were never established there. Only with the advent of the Safavids, noteable communities were established there, and that only in the eastern-most areas (of which several areas remained under Persian rule until they were ceded to Russia per the 1828 Treaty of Turkmenchay), such as Igdir. Bests - ] (]) 16:32, 6 January 2016 (UTC)

:::::{{ping|Dr.K.}}, I forgot to say this as well, regarding the same point we discussed. We established that the CU blocked sock erraneously changed that stuff, but shouldn't the lede contain even half a sentence regarding the many centuries-long Iranian empire history in Anatolia? (not in the sentence regarding "native ethnic groups", but right after it). Its much older than the Turkic history of the region, for one thing, and had a large impact. What's your opinion? - ] (]) 18:10, 6 January 2016 (UTC)

::::::{{ping|LouisAragon|label=Louis}} First, Louis, my pet-peeve. You don't have to ping me when on my talkpage because I get pinged with the message notice automatically when you leave me a message here. :) Regarding the sock stuff, the facts are as you describe. As far as the sentence at the lead you propose, I have no objection. Thank you for asking. However I cannot presume to be the consensus-maker in that article. So perhaps you could ask at the talkpage, if you think such a question may be necessary. Or be bold and see if you get reverted per BRD. Needless to say I will not revert because I agree with your point. Best regards and Happy New Year! ] ] 21:11, 6 January 2016 (UTC)

Heh, I know, I just added a ping notification as I had placed another comment like 1,5 hrs prior to it. ;-) Just in case you might have had missed it. No, obviously I know that no individual person can be the consensus-maker by itself, but I thought I'd ask anyway as we were having a related discussion and you're well-established regarding the articles of these topics. Extra discussing never hurts, if its of actual usage that is. Yeah, I was myself thinking about making a bold edit as well, and I just did it as we speak. Thanks for your best wishes back! ))) Btw, feel free to let me know, if there are any ''specifically'' and only Greek/Byzantine/Roman-related articles on your watchlist that are in the most dire need of some proper expansion and referencing. Preferably Byzantine actually, but the other two are fine as well. Whenever I'll find myself having some more time, I want to focus a bit more on this scope, namely. Bests - ] (]) 07:01, 7 January 2016 (UTC)

== More ideas for ] ==

Congrats on creating and DYK-ing this article! I have some info on my bookshelf that I think could be relevant. What do you think of ? It suggests there were really two versions of the Mauthausen work, one first performed in 1965, and issued as a record in 1966, called 'Ballad of Mauthausen', and another one from 1995, called variously 'Mauthausen Trilogy' or 'Mauthausen Cantata'. The 1995 work has 13 musical tracks (not 4) when you include the versions in English and Hebrew. Something else I've wondered about is if there was any print publication of the four poems by ]. Haven't see one so far. The poems are not in Kambanellis' memoir 'Mauthausen,' at least, not in the English version. Also, I'm wondering how the term 'Mauthausen Trilogy' came about. What are the three parts? Thanks for any comment, ] (]) 20:14, 7 January 2016 (UTC)

:{{reply|EdJohnston|label=Ed}} Hi Ed. First, thank you very much for you kind words which I really appreciate coming from an editor I greatly respect. Second, thank you also for all your help and suggestions throughout the creation processs of this article. Personally, I am very glad that after so many years of knowing each other and working together we work on an article rather than an administrative-related event or crisis. :)
:Your questions are very interesting and I contemplated them myself. Your link goes to the Ballad of Mauthausen/Six Songs. These are two separate works. The ballad of Mauthausen is still the four arias followed by another unrelated collection of six songs. The Ballad songs are the same four arias that are described in the article. Perhaps we can add these editions to the article.
:I was also wondering about the trilogy/four songs dichotomy. I think this gives the answer. It describes the first aria, "Song of Songs" and then says: "the second and third songs of the Mauthausen Cantata tell of hard labor and escape". That's the "Andonis" and "Runaway" arias. Then the book says: "The final song "When the War Ends is a fantasy of the lovers' union." As you see there are four arias, but only three narrative units: The lovers, the hard labour and the escape, i.e. the trilogy.
:Your questions helped answer this apparent discrepancy between the title and the number of songs. So thank you for that too. As far as the publication of the lyrics by Kambanellis, I haven't found any evidence that they were published in a book. Finally, if you have any material from your book that you think you can add to the article, please go ahead. It would be great for the article and I would be very glad working with you. Take care and Happy New Year! ] ] 21:59, 7 January 2016 (UTC)
::Words and sheet music for ''Asma asmaton'' are found in , "''The undying flame: ballads and songs of the Holocaust''", though the Greek words are romanized. I re-listened to the 1966 performance of the four songs, and it's great. Not certain yet that the 1995 lives up to it. The fourth song, 'When the war is over', has bouncy, upbeat music but the words are about a girl with frozen hands. ] (]) 05:09, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
:::Thank you Ed. I had forgotten about the sheet music in the reference. It is nice to have the song in such a form. I had listened to a few youtube performances of Asma Asmaton but not of the other arias. Your analysis is interesting and I will purchase the editions you mention to compare them. I think the fourth part has upbeat music because it is a fantasy reflecting a positive outlook but the lyrics about the frozen hands mean that the girl may not have survived. ] ] 06:16, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
::::Apparently the sheet music for all four songs can be ordered from Schott. See . The original Mauthausen cantata seems to be given catalog number AST 168, according to a system for numbering Theo's works I found at http://www.mikis-theodorakis.net/index.php/en/complete-catalogue/76-part-vii. See also AST 258, 'Mauthausen - Choral'. This seems to be an arrangement for choir that was published in Athens in 1983. The entry says "First performance: Thessaloniki, 1983". You can hear in the 1995 performance that Farantouri's voice is backed up by choir singers, so possibly AST 258 is what was performed live. The 'Mauthausen Trilogy' CD with the red cover has additional tracks for other languages that must not have existed yet in 1983 or even 1995. ] (]) 16:58, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
:::::{{reply|EdJohnston|label=Ed}} Thank you very much for this information Ed. I didn't know these details. In fact while writing the article I was wondering why Farandouri was also singing the replies in the lyrics even though a chorus was clearly more appropriate. I think you should do the honours and add these details to the article. ] ] 20:10, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

== Ending your mentorship? ==

I haven't asked you any advice for so long. In fact, I attempted to end Magog's mentorship, but then I decide to rescind. Then I am asking you to either continue or end your mentorship with me. I can still ask you for advice without prejudice. I think I can do well without your need very much. Thank you for your service. --] (]) 06:13, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
:No problem George. I think you are doing quite well. You've come a long way since the early days. Feel free to ask me whenever you think I may be helpful to you. Best regards and Happy New Year! ] ] 06:19, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
:: I crossed your name out. Wish you best. ] (]) 06:41, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
:::Thank you George. Likewise. ] ] 20:35, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

== May we recommend... ==

If you're really a doctor (or even if you're not) you may find ] of interest. After reading it, you'll see that I'm obviously NOTHERE, like Nakon said. ] (]) 13:33, 9 January 2016 (UTC)

:Hi {{u|EEng}}. Just by being here, on my talkpage, you just announced to me that your unblock has happened. I am very pleased to see that the wiki-universe has unfolded as it should and I thank the editors and admins who made this happen. With this out of the way, yes, I am a doctor, but not a medical one. But one doesn't have to be a doctor of any kind to appreciate your excellent and very accessible article which I enjoyed editing, in a minor way, once or twice in the past. I know that content editors are not always appreciated but applying NOTHERE to them with added features such as no prior warning, and userpages blanked and templated, definitely shows a total lack of appreciation. ]. Thankfully, the community acted fast enough in this case. Keep up your excellent work EEng. Best regards. ] ] 20:29, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
::Thanks for your kind words about the article, and forgive me for overlooking your contributions to it. I'm not sure if you know the crap I had to go through for it, though; in fact, just about the time you made your first edit it was seriously being proposed that I be banned from the topic and the article scrapped and rewritten . If you'll ''Email this user'' I can email you back some unpublished research on the subject you may enjoy reading (including a fun and unexpected literary tie-in to Gage). ] (]) 07:29, 12 January 2016 (UTC)
:::You are very welcome {{u|EEng}}, but my edits were so insignificant that there is no reason at all to remember them. I had seen proposals at the talkpage of Phineas Gage about changing the citation format but I hadn't seen the proposals to dynamite the article or to topic ban you. Not sure why such drastic proposals were made, but the article is very well-written and complete and in no need for such actions. By the time I edited the article the editing interface was no different than that of an average well-cited article. Since then I haven't seen any other proposals so I hope that was the end of all these problems for you. Thank you very much for offering the additional material. It sounds very interesting. I'll send you an email. Best regards. ] ] 02:30, 13 January 2016 (UTC)
::::I'm getting to the age where I forget things... did we do this? (It's hard to search my email for "Dr. K".) ''']]''' 00:21, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
:::::Lol. Yes indeed. Fascinating material. Thank you very much EEng. Take care. ] ] 00:56, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
::::::Oh goody, glad you liked it. On the other topic, disagreement may yet arise again so please keep on your watchlist, since the more voices the better. ''']]''' 01:57, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
:::::::Thank you for sending the material to me. It was very informative, interesting and, needless to say, very well written. I'll keep an eye just in case my opinion can be of any value. ] ] 02:31, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
::::::::"very well written" -- Well, the opinion of one of WP's leading know-it-alls is "shit writing... stodgy and constipated". Unfortunately people like this control the FA machinery, which is why most people who actually care about the reader's experience in reading don't bother with FA. ''']]''' 04:49, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
:::::::::That's quintessential Misplaced Pages editing. This place wouldn't be what it is without these spats. Only here you can get into such heated discussions over such minor phrasing alterations. On the positive side, this is a form of tribute to your editing; out of a mammoth article such as yours, these two minor editing beefs are minor perturbations compared to the size of the rest of your edits to the article. ] ] 20:44, 16 February 2016 (UTC)

== Cram101 ==

An interesting problem has been highlighted by ] at ] (]). Apparently Cram101 publishes "books" artificially created from Misplaced Pages text. A very quick look makes it appear they add links to the e-book which hapless students can click to pay $0.99 to take a quiz—what a brilliant scam! I looked at the history of one page mentioned in the report, and ] shows who added it, so I thought I'd better alert you. What a mess. ] (]) 00:35, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

:Thank you John. I saw that removal by Doc James yesterday since I have the article watchlisted. That was one reference out of 15 that I had added to the article at the time. I didn't pay too much attention to the title "study guide" and as they referenced ] in the reference title, I thought it was legit. I also saw Doc James's report at AN. It was a one-off and I haven't used any such type of reference since or even before that time. ] ] 01:18, 12 January 2016 (UTC)
::I only mentioned it because it would have been easy to miss. While admiring the entrepreneurial skill of the scammers, it looks like artificial intelligence will not be used only for Good! It's going to be quite difficult in the future to trust anything. ] (]) 02:01, 12 January 2016 (UTC)
:::No problem John. I appreciate the heads up, regardless, especially from an editor I greatly respect, such as yourself. AI, it may claim to be. But I will not worry, until the AI robots not only gather the information but also publish it themselves and then try to sell it under assumed names resembling legit scientists. Let's hope that day is still far in the future. ] ] 02:11, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

==]==
In the "Revolt of the army" section at Alexander's page it lists ] as part of modern day Bangladesh. That is incorrect, it belongs to ] region, both Bangladesh and modern day Indian state of ]. Can you please help in changing this incorrect info, it should be '']'' region. (] (]) 16:12, 15 January 2016 (UTC))
:Hi anon. I'll have a look as soon as I have some time a bit later. Thank you for the heads-up. ] ] 19:26, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

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== Panagiotis Kone == == Double warning? ==


Hi Dr.K., I saw that you left a "disruptive editing" warning at ], but I had already left them a warning for the same edit, and they had stopped editing after that. I thought you might like to remove the double warning, so as not to "bite the newcomer"... the edits seem to be in good faith, just unaware of ]. If they continue after this, then another warning would be in order. Thanks... --] (]) 01:37, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
"1. Your advice to Alexikoua did not contain any mention to keep edit-warring, so please follow your own advice."


:Nothing to do with biting anyone (AGF on that ugly accusation). This guy went on a rampage of typical nationalist editing and POV-pushing, rapidly adding Turkish names to a score of articles. If you think he merited only your warning, well, I disagree. ] ] 01:43, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
I am following my own advice. I am discussing, he is ignoring. So, what's your point again?
::Ok, I did not expect that response! Ugly accusation? My experience with you in the past is that you're a reasonable person, I certainly didn't mean to ''accuse'' you of anything. I thought maybe you hadn't noticed that I had already given a warning, and I was concerned that it might be a bit much for them to receive two warning templates for the same edits, as we don't normally do that. Looking at it again, I see that you actually jumped straight to a level-3 disruption template. That seems unusual.
::The account is only a couple of weeks old, and hasn't made that many edits. I see people all the time mass-adding translated names, because they somehow got it into their heads that it would be helpful. Once, someone started adding links to the Arabic Misplaced Pages in the first sentence of every article they came across; when I explained that they shouldn't, they were apologetic and stopped right away. It's true that this user rapidly added Turkish names to twenty articles in a row, but nobody told them they shouldn't. I did consider that it might be a rampage of nationalist editing and Turkish POV pushing, which I'm quite familiar with, having reverted many hundreds of Shingling334 sock edits of exactly that nature. But their previous edits, apart from adding Turkish names of things, seemed to be fairly innocuous and even helpful edits about food and links to musicians. Part of AGF is employing ]: "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity". But maybe you saw something I missed. Probably I didn't look closely enough at the flag stuff.
::In any case, I thought it best to start out with a level-1 Manual of Style warning, and see how they reacted. My experience, and advice I've received from admins, especially {{noping|Oshwah}}, is that when dealing with potential problem-users, being extra polite and giving them the benefit of every doubt works best. Sometimes they will respond positively to that. If not, when it comes time to take them to ANI, the record speaks for itself - they were treated more than fairly, and still acted like an ass. You can leave your template there if you like, it doesn't bother me, and I won't bother you about it anymore, but that's how I'm going to play it.
::Their continued editing today suggests that they didn't get the message, and probably you're not wrong about them. It's a bit hard be credible about the ] rule when you see an article like ] that already had seven foreign-language terms in the first sentence though. Nevertheless, I've left more warnings, probably not the last... --] (]) 14:13, 13 May 2020 (UTC)


== You're not really offended, are you? ==
"2. Do not restore sock edits."


C'mon, where's that fun Dr. K we all know and love? ]] 18:00, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
1. Simply because he's accused of being a sock does not mean he is one.
:Lol, no, EEng. It was funny, and it bears your unmistakable stamp of irreverent humour. I'm sure you know that I enjoy and understand it. But does this latest creation really need to stay on that space forever? On that front, I would say no. ] ] 18:52, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
2. Even if he is a sock, does it disqualify the sources he put fourth?
:: Believe it or not I actually meant for it to remain, to assist in those frequent moments when you're not sure which of two or three half-remembered colleagues someone is. Mandruss, Mandarax, John, Johnbod, Johnuniq, John from Idegon. I going to use that template that gives all of each user's links -- contribs, user page, talk -- so you can remember if your being addressed by the nice guy you remember or that other guy the jackass. Personally I would find this very handy since as things stand I'm forced to apply the precautionary principle and be nice when in doubt, which I detest. Would you prefer I recreated it without featuring your name? We could call it ''editors with confusingly similar names (like DrKay and someone else we won't mention)''. ]] 21:42, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
:::EEng, all these editors you mentioned are fine, upstanding people. If you need a list that includes jackasses, these are the wrong usernames to bring up as examples. ] ] 23:24, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
::::To my horror I can see how the list of example names might be interpreted as a prelude to that particular use case, which was not the intent. I often confuse perfectly nice editors too. So we cool on recreation? ]] 23:51, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
:::::EEng, thank you for the courtesy of asking. However, I think that, apart from a temporary joke creation during an ANI thread, this list serves no encyclopedic purpose. If you like it so much, you can put it in your userspace. Having it on Misplaced Pages space is unnecessary. ] ] 10:38, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
::::::I thought you'd like to know that you're now listed at ]. Now before you get upset, it was {{U|Ritchie333}} who recreated the page; I just came up with the name. ]] 04:54, 7 June 2020 (UTC)


== I would like to ask for your assistance. ==
"3. Adding Kone is of Albanian origin in the first sentence of the life section is WP:UNDUE."
{{ping|Dr.K.}} I am not really familiar with Misplaced Pages. I have made above 100 edits (can't recall), but still a lot to learn. I have been trying to add information about the Aromanian (Vlach) origin of the Bua tribe/family in the respective page, ], but a member called Βατο, along with Alcaios (who seems to be his close buddy) have criticized and taken out the references multiple times now, even though there are well-known sources. Not even a mention of it, despite the fact of having many sources. Also, go read the talk page (old posts) of the article, that corroborates with additional sources the origin of the tribe as ]. Can you help me with this? Can i report him/her (Βατο) somewhere? I only ask you because i went to the talk page of Βατο, and specifically in the history of it (since he has deleted your conversation), and i saw you also had problems with him recently. ] (]) 03:22, 30 May 2020 (UTC)


:Hi there, I looked at your sources, and three of them appear to meet the bar, so I have re-instated the material. The other two sources appear somewhat outdated. In general, it is best to stick to modern sources (e.g. post 1960), see ]. For any questions you may have, feel free to ask me or Dr. K. ] (]) 16:43, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
I find it kind of convenient that you claim that it's WP:UNDUE, because you were actively editing the page when it said that "His ethnic Greek parents" in the second sentence. Are you implying that it's ok if it says that he's of Albanian origin in the 2nd sentence?
] (]) 14:59, 18 January 2016 (UTC)


::{{ping|Dr.K.}} Thanks a lot Dr. K. I never received a notification of your reply. I just saw the edit history. Wow, so much back and forth these last days. These aforementioned people really have a problem with other views. Glad you helped. Would it be possible to add an Aromanian category at the bottom or this article, or is this not acceptable? I would also like to ask you one more thing. There used to be a vandalism on the article of Greek actress Irene Papas, where some Albanians had written a false Albanian origin of the actress based on an Albanian article from an Albanian website that had no citations. Bear in mind that the same website claimed that George Washington was Albanian, so go figure. I have for months now sorted out all of the respective articles for different languages (not all had it, but 5-6 did if i recall correctly, including the English one), except the Ukrainian (]) where my edit is pending since the 10th of December 2019. I unfortunately don't have pending changes reviewer status, hence why i ask for your assistance. ] (]) 12:00, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
:First, announcing Kone's Albanian origin in the very first sentence of his life section, before even mentioning where he was born or describing who his parents were, is an obviously bad editing practice. So regardless of its factual accuracy, the edit does not belong there. I hope you agree with me on that.
:Alexikoua is still discussing as far as I'm aware. So edit-warring while advising him to discuss doesn't look consistent.
:As you know, suspected socks are detected using the DUCK principle. This editor is a duck. An SPI could be opened in the future but sometimes it depends on how disruptive this sock becomes in the interim. Sock edits should be reverted on sight, even if they are constructive, so that the sock does not get rewarded and continues socking without repercussions.
:Your sentence {{tq|I find it kind of convenient that you claim...}} lacks AGF. But even so, I will reply that his Greek origin was in the second sentence. That's different from being in the first sentence. Again, I hope that you agree that announcing any type of origin in the first sentence is a bad editorial choice. ] ] 18:37, 18 January 2016 (UTC)


::{{ping|Dr.K.}} Hello again Dr. K. I would greatly appreciate if you went and sorted my aforementioned pending edit on the Ukrainian article of Irene Papas. I can go and ask others, but if you have "]" status it can also be done by you. Again, it is pending since the 10th of December, 2019. I didn't write anything new. I had only edited out the aforementioned vandalism. ] (]) 12:49, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
::Let's start over.
::1. No, I don't necessarily agree with that. With that said, why not fix the issue rather than deleting it?
::2. Let me be clear here. I've raised several concerns with the article. Again, see the section under "incorrect translation" on the talk page, Alexikoua has not responded since Dec 23. There is an ongoing discussion with regards to the other issues I've raised, but on this matter there is no active discussion since Alexikoua has ignored it. This has not stopped him from editing though. So, who's in the wrong here?
::3. Policies are certainly clear on the matter: "Do '''not ever call someone a sock puppet''' on an article or user talk page or '''in any edit summary'''. Doing so is often considered uncivil and can actually get you in trouble."
::4. Since you are OK with it being in the second sentence, rather than deleting it you should have moved it. Don't you think?


:::Hi {{u|Demetrios1993}}. Sorry for the delay in replying, but on the Ukrainian wiki I have no reviewer rights so I cannot approve any changes. Perhaps, you can ask a Ukrainian admin to review and accept your edit. Best regards. ] ] 15:21, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
] (]) 20:25, 18 January 2016 (UTC)


::::{{ping|Dr.K.}} It's ok Dr. K. I understand. I only asked because i thought the reviewer rights were universal for all Wiki. Do you have the right to sort the change of the name i suggested in the following image, https://en.wikipedia.org/File:Ethnic_map_of_Balkans_-_german_1882.jpg. I have already sorted out the description and date of the Summary box. Only the title remains. The correct date is 1776 as it says on the map, but it has written 1882 on the title instead. ] (]) 15:47, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
:::If an editor passes the duck test then s/he can be called a sock and reverted without waiting for an SPI. This is routinely done. Of course, this should be done only when the editor is strongly suspected of being a duck. In this case the editor qualifies as a rather loud duck, irrespective of if an SPI has been opened yet or not.
:::All the other objections you have fall under the ongoing discussion on the talkpage. I haven't read the exact details of that discussion so I can't comment on the content or on who commented on a thread but not the other. I know that there is enough doubt about his origin, whatever that may mean, that I wouldn't restore anything that is being actively disputed. In any case, your advice to Alexikoua was sound because it de-emphasised edit-warring. The point I was making was that edit-warring is not the answer. You recognised that point by advising another editor not to do it, so it doesn't take much to follow that idea. ] ] 21:02, 18 January 2016 (UTC)
::::{{tqi|If an editor passes the duck test then s/he can be called a sock and reverted without waiting for an SPI}}. Could you point me to a page where this is explained in detail? You see, from my perspective it does not make sense. Because, on the page I provided earlier it says: "'''Do not ever''' call someone a sock puppet on an article or user talk page or in any edit summary". You're instead saying that it's conditional, i.e. "Don't call someone a sock puppet unless there's strong evidence for it". There's an obvious contradiction here. Let me clarify further, if you don't mind. One can essentially accuse new editors of being socks, and make reversions on aforementioned basis regardless of whether these accusations are true or not. Not only does this provoke new editors who're unlikely to be too acquainted with the rules and policies of wikipedia to unknowingly break policies which will subsequently be used against them, it's also analogous to argumentum ad hominem. Would it not be better to focus on the material instead of the editor? (case in point: Alexikoua has accused me of being a sock).
::::When you reverted me you did in fact add "in Albania" , which is being disputed. Alexikoua has not written anything with regards to this point since Dec 23. That's why I reminded Alexikoua: 1. Discuss. 2. Edit. If he intends to add "in Albania", this should be preceded by discussion. As of right now, his edit stands even though he's not discussed the issue since Dec 23. He's made several revisions without discussing it. How do you think this looks from my point of view? ] (]) 21:50, 18 January 2016 (UTC)


== Y U NO ADMIN? ==
:::::Alexikoua's edit does not stand as it was added. {{u|Mondiad}} added some more material to balance it with another POV. As far as analysing ] on my talk, this will not happen. I already replied to your points in that regard. If you need more details you should ask on the policy talkpage. Sorry, but I can't help you further on that. ] ] 23:08, 18 January 2016 (UTC)
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:::::Btw, the duck in question, {{u|Lostrigot}} has indeed been blocked as a CU-confirmed sock. ] ] 01:32, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
14 years, 109,000 edits and only one valid bloc, 12 years ago. Surely ''somebody'' must have offered to nominate you? ''']''' <small>(])</small> 15:46, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
:Don't do it! It's a trap! ]] 17:20, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
::{{u|EEng}}, fair ''']''' <small>(])</small> 22:02, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
:::Gentlemen, thank you both for your confidence in me and your advice. {{u|JzG|Guy}}, yes, I have gotten a few offers over the years, but I guess I did not take the plunge. :) By the way, the block I got was for reverting an IP , at ] back in 2008. ] ] 02:28, 3 June 2020 (UTC)


Sorry mister, but you are confusing the source video "Accepting a source where an unknown guy appears behind a moving flat mask and presents a skewed version of the story, is out of the question on many levels" --] (]) 15:53, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
::::::You claimed that you wouldn't restore anything that is actively being disputed, but this is exactly what you did when you added "in Albania" (Alexikoua's edit). Can we agree on that, or am I mistaken here?
::::::I will raise my concerns on the policy talkpage. For what it's worth, the link you provided does not support that it's OK to accuse someone of being a sock. But maybe that is the convention on Misplaced Pages, I don't know. And it does not matter if Lostrigot has been blocked now. Both you and Athenean accused him of being a sock before there even was a SPI. ] (]) 10:06, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
:::::::There doesn't have to be an SPI if the sock is obvious enough. The sock was obvious enough that it was ]. And to cause a sock to be blocked, with or without an SPI, you have to call him/her what s/he is, i.e. a ]. How else would the sock be stopped and blocked? This was the obvious sock of the notorious sockmaster Rolandi+ who has been creating socks and causing disruption for ] and had to be stopped by calling him/her what it was. Nothing "accusatory" about that. As far as the rest of the stuff, you were restoring the Lostrigot/Rolandi+ obvious sock farm edits which were disputed and I have already explained why. I will not repeat myself as to why I reverted you. That's where it ends. ] ] 16:40, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
::::::::{{tqi|And to cause a sock to be blocked, with or without an SPI, you have to call him/her what s/he is, i.e. a ]. How else would the sock be stopped and blocked?}} Reporting an editor who you believe to be a sock is not the same as accusing said person directly of being a sock in an edit summary. The former I fully understand. The latter is described under "what NOT to do".
::::::::{{tqi|As far as the rest of the stuff, you were restoring the Lostrigot/Rolandi+ obvious sock farm edits which were disputed and I have already explained why. I will not repeat myself as to why I reverted you. That's where it ends.}} Apart from the edit I restored I also made an edit to the article that was "entirely mine". You reverted this as well. This is why I bring up your claim that you didn't restore anything that was actively being disputed. That's all.
::::::::There's no need for you to get frustrated. We are discussing it in a civil manner, aren't we? I apologize if i came off as abrasive in the beginning, but to me it looked like you and Athenean were taking sides. Hence my reaction. ] (]) 19:04, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
:::::::::{{tq|There's no need for you to get frustrated.}} Please do not attribute things to me that come out of your imagination. This is a not-so subtle form of trying to diminish my clear, logical and calm arguments. I will repeat this for the last time: If a sock is obvious you call him/her for what it is: a sock. No amount of ] will change that. As far as the content issue I already explained it so I will not elaborate further. ] ] 19:21, 19 January 2016 (UTC)


== At it again == == Cyprus ==


I think this place is a 💕. How do you hope to explain the problems on the island of Cyprus without giving the connection to TRNC? --] (]) 03:59, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
Hi Dr.K. Remember our discussion in regards to the discussion in the ] ]? Well after the discussion we remember in the talk page, others began to talk about it after the previous discussions, in which I separated in this sub-section in the talk page in . What do you think?, since I don't know what to do know. (] (]) 03:37, 19 January 2016 (UTC))
:Hi {{u|N0n3up}}. I see an editor supports your position but given that others objected in the past it may a bit too early to act on the support you just received regarding the proposed terminology. Just to be on the safe side, I would wait longer for more comments on the subject. ] ] 06:39, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
::Sure thing. I'll wait till about a week. If no one responds, I'll make a move. Although not everyone disagreed with me in the past, there were others who agreed, it was just the constant sophistry of the two editors whom I had a bad history with that was getting in the way. Anyways, is a week okay? (] (]) 20:56, 19 January 2016 (UTC))
:::Apparently, things took a turn . (] (]) 22:38, 19 January 2016 (UTC))
::::I think an RfC should do it. Just make sure you phrase it neutrally. If you need any help let me know. ] ] 03:30, 20 January 2016 (UTC)
:::::Actually, this time consensus support my argument in the . Although Snowded still doesn't seem satisfied. (] (]) 05:42, 20 January 2016 (UTC))
::::::I checked rather briefly but I can only see another editor supporting your proposal recently. One recent support is not enough, ergo my proposal for an RfC. ] ] 05:58, 20 January 2016 (UTC)
:::::::Sure thing. I've made my last argument in the talk page, it things continue to be hazy, i'll do the Rfc. (] (]) 01:42, 21 January 2016 (UTC))
::::::::I'm sorry Dr.K, , and this time its not about the topic in hand. Snowded's attitude was getting out of hand regarding various edits of mine, and apparently I'm not the only one. (] (]) 07:17, 21 January 2016 (UTC))
:::::::::Hi {{u|N0n3up}}. Let's look at this from its good side. You made excellent progress since you were on the brink last time. You survived the 0 revert restriction, you discuss, people agree with you, you go through RfCs etc. Nicely done. Other editors would not have persevered as you did. That speaks volumes about your dedication to the project. Now we have a remaining interpersonal problem. This problem is small in comparison to what you have overcome. How to solve it? Put some distance, disengage. Don't respond to everything you read which provokes you to reply. Try this approach. Let's see where it will take you. Then we can refine the plan further. ] ] 04:23, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
::::::::::I appreciate it Dr.K. Yes, I admit I may get easily provoked, but yes I'll simply try to ignore it. Although Snowded's attitude doesn't make it easy . Snowded is just one of two editors that have been trolling round my edits, and I don't think the other one will be doing so any time soon. Again, I wan't to thank you for being so understanding and helpful. In regards to the ] problem, I've opened an rfC here: , let's see how it goes. (] (]) 06:28, 22 January 2016 (UTC))
:::::::::::You are very welcome N0n3up. As far as the conflicts, nobody said it was going to be easy. But disengagement is the only realistic alternative at the moment. This approach will maximise the chances for peace and calm, which is the thing needed the most right now. I wish you good luck with the RfC. Take care. ] ] 06:41, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
== The Decline of Misplaced Pages ==
I must say Dr K that when I started in 2005 I had hopes for the idea of epistemic libertarianism. That knowledge would be freely shared and available and hopefully in such a way as to have it for understanding. I don't see that here. I see a very hostile work environment I see ]. So much so that I am very weary of creating a list of articles that I wanted to contribute which would then be either deleted for various pedantic and bureaucratic reasons or edited to stubs rather than full fledged articles. ] (]) 15:02, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
:I can understand the frustration. In your area, especially, there is a lot of controversy and antagonism. I guess it goes with the territory. But you shouldn't give up trying to create articles, although, given the difficult area, I would advise caution and going slow. As a final remark I would add that WP:DENY applies to trolls only, so the current version of that essay does not apply to article creation. :) ] ] 05:42, 28 January 2016 (UTC)


In addition, the information I added was selected from the TRNC page of Misplaced Pages. This informations was not received from an external source.--] (]) 04:06, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
:::This is some good advise I really am having a time with it and accessing if any contributing at all is of any benefit at all. But your words are words of wisdom, wisdom indeed. ] (]) 19:40, 5 February 2016 (UTC)


== User:SpecialVituzzu ==


:That's why we have a separate article on TRNC, so we don't have to copy and paste from one article to other, which is a a violation of GFDL without attribution, as you did. TRNC and the Cyprus problem is already mentioned extensively in the article. I see you are edit-warring as we speak. You will be reported if you continue. ] ] 04:13, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
Hi Dr.K., FYI (and FYI {{ping|Johnuniq}}) it was the so-called "feet feticist" (or "selfie shoes") long-term abuser, I have already locked/checked/blocked the relevant this account + the underlying ip. Thank (both of) you for your reverts. --] (]) 10:52, 30 January 2016 (UTC)
:Grazie {{u|Vituzzu}} for letting me know. I started a mini SPI when I spotted that the IP you locked was making the same type of edits as the master and then saw the master account imitating your name and userpage. Glad to know you locked this vandal troll globally. Arrivederci. ] ] 17:03, 30 January 2016 (UTC)


The name of the TRNC is stated in only one line and there is no connection. I already knew that this place is not a 💕, you didn't surprise me. --] (]) 04:22, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
== The usage of the name SkanderBeg and jihad in the same sentence does not make any sense. ==


:You can leave your attacks out of my talkpage. I assume you know how to search using CTRL F. The name TRNC is found 26 times on that page. ] ] 04:25, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
In the article about "The Holocaust in Albania" it is written in the 1943–45 section among others these sentences. "...Composed of ethnic Albanians, it was named after Albanian national hero George Kastrioti Skanderbeg, who fought the Ottoman Turks in the 15th century. Members took a religious oath using the Quran, pledging "jihad against unbelievers".... this is weird to say the least because Skanderbeg was a defender of christianity against ottoman empire in the 15th century and a group of people that claim jihad to other (this is another point to talk about since in 1945 there were no such thing as jihad in albanian territories) cannot name their division after an "Athleta Christie" who was granted only by the pope. So, long story short the usage of the term jihad in this article distorts factual history. Is this a reason to edit that article may I ask? <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 02:26, 31 January 2016 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


== Working on the ] article ==
:I objected to the wholesale removal of multiple sources and a paragraph. If you found some objectionable material you can correct it. But before you remove more material you should propose it on the talkpage first. ] ] 02:34, 31 January 2016 (UTC)
::I'm sorry I don't know the procedures to edit a wiki page, but why it is not possible to remove material that is incorrect and logically wrong? ] (] • ]) <span style="font-size:smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added 02:47, 31 January 2016 (UTC)</span><!--Template:Undated--> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:::We just talked about the jihad part and I told you that you could remove it. The rest of the paragraph is a big piece and doesn't look illogical at first glance. So if you want to remove it you should talk about it on the article's talk. ] ] 02:52, 31 January 2016 (UTC)
::::Thanks for the explanation. Removed only those specific parts. ] 04:03, 31 January 2016 (CET)
:::::Thank you, Fan, for your understanding. Best regards. ] ] 04:27, 31 January 2016 (UTC)


May be up your street, less dangerous than the Pangalos article but it seems the article is going through an interesting period. Have a look if you time on the Talk page there. ] (]) 21:02, 24 June 2020 (UTC)
== Socks, etc. ==


== AGF ==
Thanks for dealing with our friend, the foot vandal. At the risk of sounding like a total amateur -- since I am starting to deal with more and more spi cases (and may apply to become a trainee clerk in the future) -- what advice on sock-hunting might you have to offer? Thanks, ]<sup>]</sup> 02:55, 31 January 2016 (UTC)
:You are very welcome GAB. Thank you also for letting me know about the original master. You show enough talent and knowledge in this area that there is no risk you can be mistaken for an amateur. :) As far as my advice regarding sock-hunting I think it isn't so much a case of hunting socks, because hunting implies some level of challenge. Socks are after their very specific target-articles and exhibit behavioural quirks which most of the time make them rather easy to detect. So the challenge is not so much on the detection/hunting side but rather on having the patience to create the SPI paperwork to get them blocked. The paperwork has to be good enough to persuade completely unfamiliar editors with the specific sock that there is enough quacking to warrant a block of the account. Any behavioural, editing or other detail which is unique to the particular master/sock accounts should be included in the SPI report. For obvious socks, however, a few diffs should suffice. I would add that the SPI should look visually attractive and be arranged in a similar way to an article with an introduction, headers, etc. . But that is my own personal preference, so YMMV. Thank you for the interesting question. Best regards. ] ] 04:25, 31 January 2016 (UTC)


I am a veteran editor and I really did not appreciate , especially the inflammatory adjective "hijack" used at the talk page and the edit summary of . I responded . I don't see any more need to discuss. I just feel there was way more negativity than was necessary. --] (]) 19:00, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
== Ways to overcome WP:OVERCITE ==


:. ] ] 22:39, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
Hello Dr.K.,


== COVID-19 pandemic in France ==
In light of the citation issue at ], I recently uncovered a new trick to overcome ]. I am guilty of this myself, and I tried it out at ], an article I created awhile ago. In case you didn't know, you can condense the sources into one ref and make bulletin points of all the other sources per ]. You can check out what I did for Maghakian's article here: . As you can see, I added a "Other sources include:" ref with the rest of the sources being listed in bulletin points. Articles look much more neat this way. Regards, ] (]) 23:48, 31 January 2016 (UTC)
:Hi Etienne. There is no citation overkill in Armenian Genocide. Not if you realise the background of the situation. If you recall, the infomation that the Armenian leaders were rounded up and then sent to their deaths was cited only to a weak source by HuffPo. This led to the ].
:When I found multiple sources to support the intention behind the expulsion, which was the death of the leaders, a loud accusation apeared on the talkpage of the article claiming that the detail that the Armenian leaders were sent to their deaths was "lies", even though by that time I had supplied multiple RS by specialists, in specialist publications, attesting to the malicious intent behind the deportations.
:Given the size of that type of accusatory POV, supplying 9 sources, as I did, is good insurance policy, not citation overkill. It also saves considerable time bickering and arguing on the talkpage. For who in their right mind will argue against such amount of evidence? Did you notice how quickly this isue was settled after I supplied this mountain of evidence? This was a chronic issue which is also acknowledged in the edit summary of the reverting edit: {{tq|This inaccurate content has already been discussed on the talk page.}} But even the editors at the Reference Desk agreed with the formulation ]. That's important and it is due to the abundance of sources I supplied. That should not be dismissed as overkill or a problem.
:The so-called "citation overkill" cured this chronic problem. Also don't forget, each source contains information that can be used to expand the article further. So there is no downside to supplying a load of top-notch sources to an article, especially if the said article has been the target of highly organised disinformation campaigns. What you do with them, however, I leave it up to you. I am not an expert on the Armenian Genocide. But I am relatively ok at finding sources. I did my job in that article. Now I can happily retire from this particular incident. ] ] 03:27, 1 February 2016 (UTC)


Ill guess we yust do the I part of ] now. This is going already over one history page. I have reported them to ANI now, hopefully an admin sets an end to this soon. {{re|Nkon21}} For your awareness. ] (]) 08:16, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
::Hello Dr.K.,


:Please do not interfere with vandalism fighting by inventing new rules. There are no such exemptions and RBI is used for avoiding SPIs not for avoiding reverting vandalism by socks. ] ] 08:23, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
::I read your response through and through and I understand now why you placed those citations. Like I said, I'm glad you did so. I would've never been able to find as many references and sources as you have, let alone such quality ones. Thanks to your effort, the article is of a higher standard. I hope you didn't take my message the wrong way. The fact of the matter is I recently learned about WP:Citemerge when a user made on Victory Maghakian. But in light of your response here, I now know that you were well aware of what you were doing and I knew you made a great effort in bringing forth a better version of the article. ] (]) 06:42, 1 February 2016 (UTC)


== Your recent comment ==
:::Thank you very much Etienne. I fully realise the spirit with which you wrote your message. No reason to explain. Sorry for being overly detailed in my answer but given your comments I thought it would be a good opportunity to explain the rationale behind the submission of multiple sources because "citeoverkill" is a rather unfair label in certain circumstances. I also don't accept that you couldn't find the same sources as I did. I know you are a very skilled editor and you can find many hard-to-locate sources for any subject. But thank you for your kind comments regardless. :) Take care. ] ] 19:27, 1 February 2016 (UTC)


Regarding . If an editor constantly engages in 'maxing out 3RR' there ought to be more specific data about their unwillingness to go through normal dispute resolution. The current AN3 report seems likely to be closed as No action. It has become bloated beyond all recognition, and even if it were at ANI, would probably have trouble getting any admins to pay attention. If there is a true problem here that is solvable, the complaint would need to be restarted from scratch with better data; perhaps at some other board. Which might not be easy. ] (]) 16:29, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
==Thank ''you''==
:Thank you Ed for your analysis and advice. I agree. In any case, I hope the reported editor, given also his final comment at 3RRN, realises that this is not a sustainable way of editing. All the best. ] ] 11:51, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
I see you have "thanked" me for both my contradictory edits at ]. You're a kind man! I try! ] &#124; ] 23:13, 3 February 2016 (UTC).
:LOL. :) Thank you Bish, but I thanked you the first time since I thought you blocked the IP for 48 hours; then, when you corrected it, I thanked you for your intention to block the IP for 48 hours. :) ] ] 23:18, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
::Hehe. Yes, 48 would have been nice. It's a static IP. But both 31 and 48 hours are within admin discretion, and Yamaguchi got there first. Anyway, the main thing is the IP got a shot across the bows — a demonstration that edit warring won't work. (I'm not sure they ever saw the warnings.) ] &#124; ] 23:23, 3 February 2016 (UTC).
:::No problem with the block length. In any case, if the IP continues edit-warring after the block it's very likely they wil get blocked again. But why do you think they didn't see the warnings? ] ] 23:46, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
::::Because they've never edited their talkpage and they just charged ahead with the edit warring after the warnings, without even, err, changing, err, see ]. ] &#124; ] 12:04, 4 February 2016 (UTC).
:::::Beans? Lol, that's something we muct be careful never to spill. :) Although, in my mind, in this particular case, that's characteristic of how strong their POV was regarding the ] rather than not seeing the message. But your point is well taken as usual. ] ] 14:44, 4 February 2016 (UTC)


== Editing == == Reliable source? ==


Could you tell me whether this can be considered a reliable source? An editor, Pablo1355, is using as a source. Thank you sir. --] (]) 02:00, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
Hello Dr.K I'm so sorry if I edited Twice's page. I promise that I'll not do it again. But can I edit it with their real information?? ] (]) 07:05, 5 February 2016 (UTC)
:Thank you Hazel. Yes, if you have good sources you can edit the page. Best regards. ] ] 07:14, 5 February 2016 (UTC) :Hi Kansas Bear. Sorry for the delayed response, but I am really busy IRL lately. Good kind of busy, but nonetheless. I hope everything is well with you and yours. The source you showed me is not RS. It is, at best, very sketchy. I hope this editor stops this POV-pushing, otherwise a report may have to filed. Take care. ] ] 17:38, 20 October 2020 (UTC)


::Thanks Dr.K.! No need for the apology, I am still trying to unpack from the move to Lawrence. So I completely understand. My children and grandchildren are doing well. Hope you and yours are safe and healthy. Thanks again. --] (]) 18:17, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
== Congrats! ==


:::You are very welcome KB and thank you for your nice message. It is always a pleasure talking to you. My family is doing great, thankfully. Nice to hear everyone is well in your family also. Take care. ] ] 19:52, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
... on 10 years of being a wonderful editor on Misplaced Pages and managing to stay sane, friendly, and civil! That's no small achievement, my friend... --] (]) 23:09, 7 February 2016 (UTC)
:{{reply|Iryna Harpy|label=Iryna}} Thank you very much Iryna for your nice comments and for taking the time to comment on my anniversary. I consider this an honour from an editor I respect greatly. Knowing that editors and friends like you are around motivates me to keep contributing here. Thank you also for all the great things you do here. Take care. ] ] 00:31, 8 February 2016 (UTC)


== Precious anniversary ==
==]==
{{User QAIbox/auto|years=Seven}} --] (]) 07:51, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
. See also the talk page for defense of your original {{sc|era}} issue. That said, if the IP editor introduced vandalism such as ''dildo'', good on you for fixing it... and all the more reason to avoid wholesale reverts and undescriptive edit summaries. Keep on keeping on.&nbsp;—&nbsp;] 01:34, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
:My dear Gerda, thank you for this perennial and always elegant gesture. Take care and stay safe. ] ] 04:39, 2 November 2020 (UTC)


==Parga==
:I am not sure what your "mangling" comment is all about. I restored the name section as you had left it after I reverted the date format change of the IP per ]. I checked the diffs and saw no mangling in my restoration. See the . There is no change other than the date format. So I am not sure why you mentioned "wholesale reverts" or "mangling" since I restored all of your edits without variation. As far as your comment about {{tq|undescriptive edit summaries}} I am sure you can read ] where I mentioned that I was going to restore your edits. Which I did. Was that edit-summary not descriptive enough for you? I also don't appreciate you calling my edits "mangled" when they were anything but. However, ] which ]. Now ''that'' can be called "mangling" but I will not follow any examples so I will not call it that. ] ] 02:06, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
It appears that there was a coordinated attempt there (multiple drive-by accounts, reverting without slightest comment in tp) by a small number of editors. This has been turned into a report against me here: ].] (]) 23:51, 4 November 2020 (UTC)


==Article needs improvement==
== RfC problem ==
Hi, do you think that could improve this article ] just like you improved ]. How it managed to survive AFD kind of surprises me. ] (]) 01:34, 23 November 2020 (UTC)


== ArbCom 2020 Elections voter message ==
Remember in the ] Well it turns out that I said that I wanted the proposed sentence in the "lead", when actually the lead is the first paragraph of the top page and don't actually want it there. What should I do? Should I open up a new RfC or should I just make it clear as I did here?: . Yes I know I completely screwed up my RfC and ruined the actual meaning of what I was trying to say. Probably why so many disagreed with me. (] (]) 07:28, 14 February 2016 (UTC))
:Just propose it as a suggestion and see if the proposal gets accepted. ] ] 07:40, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
::I would but Snowded, who is not really trustworthy regarding this problem, to overextend or manipulate the RfC to get agreement (not surprised since he always falsely accused me of all sorts of things). Then again, do you think a one-year moratorium would do the trick? Again, I thought "lead" was "top page", that's why my RfC portrays something else than to what I really wanted to say. I'm sorry mistakes happen. (] (]) 22:00, 14 February 2016 (UTC))
:::I think ]. ] ] 22:55, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
::::Anyways, I closed down the RfC and agree that a moratorium is best. (] (]) 22:58, 14 February 2016 (UTC))
:::::I'm glad you came to an agreement. Now try to put this behind you and remember to try to disengage. Even if you think you need to reply to all comments, you really don't have to. ] ] 01:58, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
{{od}} I would've much liked for this to've been the end of this. For it weren't for the fact that Snowded even after I disengaged. (] (]) 02:54, 15 February 2016 (UTC))
:You disengaged properly. That's great and it reflects great on you. Don't worry about replying to everything. Sometimes less is more. ] ] 03:06, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
::I'm sorry but please Dr.K, I'm concerned about Snowded's constant barking that I had it up to here. He is in NO POSITION of reporting me for a topic-related ban. The moratorium states that I do not bring the topic back again after a year, not indefinitely as Snowded says. He has gone too far this time. I find that attacking a user after disengaging unacceptable. I wish if you could intervene since he just doesn't know where he stands. (] (]) 03:11, 15 February 2016 (UTC))
:::You have to realise the architecture of interpersonal conflict. In that architecture there is always a bridge too far. Something always happens in the end and the resolution that appeared imminent metastasises into additional conflict. Thus the conflict never ends. You did extremely well by disengaging properly. This will reflect well on you in the future. Don't let secondary considerations scuttle this progress. If you engage further to address any secondary points, that's when the goalposts shift and that's when the bridge moves too far. Just cross the bridge now and don't look back. ] ] 03:39, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
::::Are you suggesting that I don't bring back the Superpower topic again? Because I can do that if you want. (] (]) 03:45, 15 February 2016 (UTC))
:::::Actually that would be a good idea. The moratorium is for a year anyway. That's a long time, especially on-wiki. Letting it drop altogether is not much different than postponing it for a year. But I was primarily talking about not engaging in further conflict with others. That would need a conscious decision to withdraw from any remaining conflict with others. The benefit of doing so is that it makes you look good. ] ] 03:59, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
::::::Yeah, I don't want to linger on this any longer. But what really concerns me is Snowded's attitude. Is there a way I can keep him from trailing down my edits? Perhaps a BAN from my edits. Btw was he allowed to place a ban since I never edit-warred. (] (]) 04:05, 15 February 2016 (UTC))
:::::::Bans can't be placed by individual editors on others. That needs admin intervention and discussion on some related board like AN or ANI. Interaction bans have been considered in several cases that I have seen but they are difficult to implement and may create even more conflict. If someone has a prior history of editing an article, it is very difficult to prove that they followed you. However, if someone edits an article they never edited before and does it hours after you did, then, that's cause for concern. ] ] 04:28, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
:::::::::Oh yeah he does follow me in articles he never edits such as in and and others. Not to mention that he goes into discussions in which I'm involved just to bash my arguments, even if they're well-supported such as his petty excuses in where he doesn't even have a good reason to his arguments and note how he keeps playing "''stop the personal attacks''" card when I haven't even said one. Or how he suddenly appears in , another article he's never-or-rarely been involve to again to deliberately oppose me without a good reason while others provided well-supported reasons in another RfC I did. And I find it cute how he keeps saying "''concentrate on edit not editors''" and "''''" when he always threatens to report me and many other things ( concentrates on editors not edit, went straight to my block log when the discussion was supposed to be on an edit) ( gets involved in my business). I think I had my share of this nonesense and should've already reported him to ANI. (] (]) 05:23, 15 February 2016 (UTC))
{{od}} This is the "bridge too far" I spoke about in the earlier posts on this thread. If you can cross this bridge also you will have successfully overcome one of the main problems you have in this place. There is no easy answer to this. But as a rule of thumb any time there is conflict between two editors the main danger is the long walls of text that follow such acrimony. Noone wants to read them. In the long run you will be blamed as much as the other person because by that time the walls of text containing accusations and counter-accusations would have become too long for anyone to try to read and decipher. Given these obstacles, my advice to you is to stay as far as you can from the source of conflict and only go to a noticeboard if you think you have ironclad evidence; but even then, think twice. I think you know how easily things can derail there. ] ] 18:35, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
:If you are in a 1RR for a topic or topic-related article, does this include the reverting of non-vandalizing IP's? (] (]) 18:59, 15 February 2016 (UTC))
::It does not. But this is the wrong question to ask when the subject is disengagement. ] ] 19:04, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
:::Anyhow. Is there a way I can get agreement for Snowded to not edit or comment (unless necessary) on discussions that I'm involved? (] (]) 19:08, 15 February 2016 (UTC))
::::Formally, it can be done through an interaction ban. But, as I said, this is difficult to police and implement. But I think you also recognise the difficulty of implementing this. Your qualification "(unless necessary)" seems to acknowledge that there are cases when it would be ok to comment. The problem is who decides when it is "necessary". ] ] 19:24, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
:::::Anyhow, I'm planning on not bringing this subject again. But even if after a "1 year-moratorium", in case I bring this up again after a year (which I won't) with new arguments, would that be a reason to place me a ban on British Empire related articles. (] (]) 19:29, 15 February 2016 (UTC))
::::::Any ban decision is frequently made by the community. If the person proposing the ban can persuade enough people that your conduct is disruptive, then such a ban can be enacted. I can't see how a ban can be enacted if, hypothetically speaking, you return after a year to ask again for reconsideration of the RfC decision. Of course, that's assuming that you have found additional reliable sources that can support your new arguments and also that the wider community does not deem your general editing in the interim to be disruptive. Personally I would let this issue drop. I can't see how scholarship will change on this subject that will allow for any radically new thinking to be advanced regarding this topic. ] ] 19:56, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
:::::::Then again I could show you the sources first or anyone who looks at sources before engaging in an argument, but I don't think I'll come back to this for a long time. (] (]) 20:02, 15 February 2016 (UTC))
::::::::Both of these approaches are fine but I agree with your second remark even more. ] ] 20:12, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
:::::::::Now, Snowded said to not post in his talk page again, now can you tell him in my behalf to try to not get involved in any discussion or edits as a form of good faith? (] (]) 20:49, 15 February 2016 (UTC))
::::::::::No use. You already mentioned this on several occasions. Additional comments by me won't make the slightest difference and even risk reigniting this unstable equilibrium of accusations and counter-accusations. Only time will tell if this issue goes away. Let's hope it does, otherwise the interaction ban idea may have to be revisited. ] ] 20:58, 15 February 2016 (UTC)


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:Hello admin, my recent addition to the article was reverted by 3 users (you included) with, to my judgment, extremely weak argumentations (where argumentations were given, because only Zoupan gave some "reasons", meanwhile the user Alexikoua and yourself didn't give any motivation).
:I was also adviced to reach a consensus in the talk page but the user Zoupan, other than using blatantly false pretexts, does not hear reason also in virtue of the fact that the aformentioned user is of serbian ethnicity, a people that has a long history of historic bias and revisionism against its neighbours, Albania in primis but also Bosnia and Croatia.
:Said all of that I remember to this admin that the source (https://books.google.it/books?id=jG9cAAAAcAAJ&pg=PA305&redir_esc=y&hl=it#v=onepage&q&f=false) is not only ''historically significant but it has been used also reliably by 3 scholars'', among them '''N.G.L. Hammond'''. To make it even more clear, being the document in Italian and knowing myself this language used colloquially (thing that probably nobody of the users reverting my addition is able to), I found no reason to doubt the veridicibility of the same, but to be even more impartial I propose an Italian wikiuser to check it since to my disappointment I understand that the authoritative opinion of 3 scholars isn't sufficent to add a source in the Albanian articles of Misplaced Pages.
:Given that I have complete reason to believe I am 100% right here, the serbian user won't let this legit source to be added to the aformentioned article because I understand serbian delicate feelings could be broken, therefore I ask the permission to edit again the page. ] (]) 16:31, 12 March 2016 (UTC)
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== BLP Issues in the Talk Page ==


] (]) 16:07, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
I guess I should not have removed everything - but there is content in that Talk Page that violates ]. Hence, the removal. Please do spend some time going through the post instead of reverting. Thanks ] (]) 06:22, 13 March 2016 (UTC)


== Perceived opponents ==
:The problem is I did spend the time and found no BLP violations. To the contrary, I saw good faith editors, including an admin, discussing the points raised by an editor. Now it is your turn to spend time reading ], especially the section where it mentions not to remove the comments of others. ] ] 06:39, 13 March 2016 (UTC)


Hi Dr.K. Upon taking a deep breath, I wanted to write to you through here regarding the latest exchange at ]. I don't want the aside to derail the bulk of the discussion there and if you see further problems with the tone as is, I will make adjustments. You are a user whose input I value very much, though we might have our disagreements. We have both been around and active on the same articles for a long time, powering through the eternal source of grinding teeth and sockfarms that is the Greco-Turkish matters. I do hope that you will be able to see why some of the comments on that talk page are quite disheartening from where I stand. --] (]) 02:16, 27 November 2021 (UTC)
::As per ] - it is perfectly fine to remove content that violates BLP (second point in the bullet point list in the link you sent). And back to BLP - now what is this - this is actual text in the Talk page in its current state: "You seem to have a problem with a dying old man's paradox section on a public website." and "Pramukh Swami looks like he is going to pass any day now so we should prepare for the out pour of vandals by adding a successor section." - content such as these are not just plain BLP violations but also way off-topic. I am not sure why you cannot see it. ] (]) 23:24, 13 March 2016 (UTC)
:Hi GGT. Thank you for your kind comments. Although we have disagreed many times, I value your opinion, your contributions, and your ideas. I also respect you greatly. Your reaction just reinforces my respect for you. Sorry if my comments were undiplomatic to you. I will strike them. Take care. ] ] 02:33, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
::I believe that reflection is the source of the most valuable learning, and we do have a lot to learn from one another. Thank you very much for your kind response, and I hope that all is otherwise well with you. All the best. —] (]) 02:40, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
:::You are very welcome, GGT. I fully agree with your sage comments. I am very well, thank you. I hope you are well also. I also hope to see you around for a long time. Take care. ] ] 02:53, 1 December 2021 (UTC)


== G-Aerosports ==
:::I remind you that ], which is clearly an invalid reason for removing a whole section. After I reverted you, you started talking about BLP violations and now you are adding that they are off-topic. It would help if you had made your mind up before you removed the section. Again, I don't see these as BLP violations and if you think that some of them are off- topic, you should strike or remove them, but you should not remove the other replies in a wholesale fashion as you did, including the replies by good-faith editors. Now, instead of this useless back and forth, why don't you ask someone else for a third opinion? ] ] 00:47, 14 March 2016 (UTC)


Hello. I wanted to ask you to check, if you could, the discussion for deletion of ] - reminiscent of a similar discussion regarding ]. It had been deleted in the past ("notability" problems), but I uploaded it again, since it has introduced new models and has an agreement for production under license in Canada (a similar agreement under way for production in Australia). Once more, truly appreciating your assistance. Best Regards, ] (]) 10:57, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
::::If the root post itself is off-topic and makes multiple BLP violation - what is the point of keeping subsequent posts - since none of them add anything substantial to the Talk page? ] (]) 00:57, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
:I'm on it. Ευχαριστώ κε. Σκαρτση. ] ] 21:34, 23 May 2022 (UTC)


:::::I have gone ahead and requested further comment on the issue. Cheers! ] (]) 01:05, 14 March 2016 (UTC) :: Εξαιρετική η στάση σας. Για μια ακόμα φορά υπόχρεος...] (]) 05:58, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
:::Ευχαριστησις μου. Ήταν το λιγότερο που μπορούσα να κανω. Εαν με χρειαστείτε στο μέλλον, μη διστασετε να επικοινωνήσετε μαζί μου. Ναστε καλά και να συνεχισετε τις αξιόλογες προσφορές σας στην Misplaced Pages που εκτιμούνται ιδιαιτέρως. ] ] 07:23, 24 May 2022 (UTC)


:::: Να 'στε καλά. Είδα και τις βελτιώσεις στο άρθρο, και τη νέα συζήτηση, κάνατε ήδη πολλά, και είμαι υπόχρεος. Φαίνεται ότι κάποιοι έχουν "πεισμώσει" - κρίμα, κρίμα για κάτι τόσο σημαντικό όπως η Misplaced Pages. Και πάλι ευχαριστώ θερμά.] (]) 11:51, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
== Removal of talk page discussion ==
:::::Σας ευχαριστώ για τα καλα σας λογια. Ηταν ευχαριστηση μου. Μην αποθαρρυνεσθε. Νομίζω οτι το αρθρο εχει πολυ καλες πηγες και θα διατηρηθεί. ] ] 21:38, 24 May 2022 (UTC)


:::::: Και πάλι θέλω να ευχαριστήσω για την προσπάθεια. Τους πέρασε, κακή στιγμή επίδειξης δυνατοτήτων αυθαιρεσίας απο editors...Θα το επιχειρήσουμε ξανά, με καλύτερα δεδομένα.] (]) 15:07, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
Please keep an eye on the talk page of the Pramukh swami article.


==Kudos, and comment==
https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Talk%3APramukh_Swami_Maharaj&type=revision&diff=709942911&oldid=709810673
I very much appreciate your efforts here, and your good humour. With regard to your opening, unique article tag, I would just say this (as an academic, and longtime editor of very complex documents). In any long term article editing system involving multiple contributors, there is a means by which earlier working editors make clear to those following on, where the work has left off, and what the focal points might be for next editing efforts. Now, if you will grant that many articles at WP have far to go before being GA (and in many cases far to go even before complying with basic requirements like WP:VERIFY), then it stands to reason that there will be long work efforts that cannot be completed in a single session. That means, an article being left should contain indications of where critical editing has left off.


In the meantime, what is the service that is due the next intervening reader? In our case (unlike preparing a book for publication, or an FDA NDA for submission), in the mean time, individuals will be turning to the document for information. And if that information is at all suspect, it again stands to reason, that if we hold our readers in regard, we owe it to them to leave in place indications that particular aspects of the article are suspect.
This user has undid my work and is removing it without archive because it is controversial to that users beliefs. This is a conflict of interest.
] (]) 01:47, 15 March 2016 (UTC)


In these ways, I believe (argue here) that the editor that does whatever they can to improve the article on which they are working, but then leaves it with strong, clear indications where shortcomings remain — such editors are doing both readers and follow-on editors the greatest service (just as they are in my team document production and publication efforts). It is only if one has a low view of the encyclopedia, ones fellow editors, or at WP, ones readers, that the need to clearly indicate shortcomings and remaining work can be ignored. With regard, a professor. ] (]) 18:48, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
::I missed the discussion above, my apologies. I just wanted to add that when this user asks for consensus, there are same certain users the show up out of no where to push the same agenda as kapil.xerox. I am going to state them and I am pretty sure that they will 'randomly' show up in support for this users views. They are:
: Thank you, Anon, for your kind comments. You make some good points. I don't doubt that there are many well-meaning editors who tag articles for good reason. However, IMO, there should be some balance between tagging and referencing articles. If one spends all their time tagging articles, they may not develop the skills necessary to contribute in a well-rounded way to the 'pedia. But, I respect your well-made comments. Take care. ] ] 21:32, 29 May 2022 (UTC)


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For the Legacy section of Battle of Thermopylae. ]?
Take a look at this page. https://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Transcendence:_My_Spiritual_Experiences_with_Pramukh_Swamiji There was controversy regarding the release of a book (about pramukh swami) that involved a women not allowed on the same stage as a misogynist from the sect during a press release. Some of this users group immediately ganged up to make sure that this is not noted even though this is noteworthy based on the dozens of reports on this and several other editors agreeing likewise.
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==Ἡ Βικιπαιδεία ἑλληνιστί==
:Hi KB. Yes, long time, no see. Such are the times.😊 It is always very nice talking to you. As far as this author, he looks to me as having an activist viewpoint with a POV on criticising the colonialist past of the West and using this criticism to reinterpret seminal events of the Western world such as the battle of Thermopylae. I wouldn't include such revisionist activism in that section. Btw, I apologise for the delay in responding but I don't visit here often, especially in the summer. Take care. ] ] 17:43, 16 August 2022 (UTC)
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Hi there, I am contacting you here as this seems to be the wiki you are most active in. There is currently an ongoing proposal with regards to , accompanied by an active that has plenty of articles already. I thought I would let you know as you have an interest and knowledge of ancient Greek, so you're more than welcome to participate if you find it worthwhile. ] (]) 10:25, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
:Hi Gts-tg. Thank you for the invitation, but, although I am a fan of ancient Greek, I don't have the degree of interest needed to contribute to articles written in the language. In fact, your request reminded me that my Ancient Greek skills have deteriorated over the years due to lack of using the language. ] ] 05:30, 17 March 2016 (UTC)
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:LOL. DS for Ancient Greek. Is nothing sacred anymore? Thank you for this EEng. That's really funny. :) ] ] 03:37, 17 March 2016 (UTC)
::Not to certain editors at the Ancient Greek Misplaced Pages. ''']]''' 05:10, 17 March 2016 (UTC)
:::I see. No arb enforcement then. Just a regular deletion discussion. That's much better. I wonder what would Socrates have to say about that. :) ] ] 05:28, 17 March 2016 (UTC)
::::He would have accepted consensus as a necessary consequence of adherence to the Five Pillars. ''']]''' 05:34, 17 March 2016 (UTC)
:::::Interesting point. He may well have been a Wikipedian if he lived in our time. ] ] 18:02, 17 March 2016 (UTC)
::::::Briefly. He would have been banned, as would (for example) Marcus Aurelius. There's little room here for the exacting exercise of the faculties. ''']]''' 21:05, 19 March 2016 (UTC)
:::::::My comment was actually made in jest. Intellects like Socrates and Marcus Aurelius were a product of their era. I am not sure if they could even fit in our time under the constraints imposed by modern society. ] ] 18:04, 20 March 2016 (UTC)
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:::::::::What a great movie. That and the 1939 original. Very apt analogy indeed. Thank you EEng. ] ] 05:03, 21 March 2016 (UTC)
::::::::::I absolutely ''love'' Peter O'Toole (and if you haven't seen ], I recommend it highly) but his Mr. Chips made no sense to me. The original was far superior, in my estimation (but I'm an old softie). If I were preparing a course on films of the late 1930s meant prepare the British public for the war at hand, I'd start with ], ], and ]. If I may venture another recommendation, I urge everyone to see Things to Come -- a wonderful piece of warning prognostication. ''']]''' 05:33, 21 March 2016 (UTC) <small>Actually, I'm completely incompetent to give such a course, but it sounds good, doesn't it?</small>
:::::::::::I am also a fan of Peter O'Toole, so I'll try to get the 1985 film. I think that the 1939 version of Mr. Chips had more substance, although O'Toole's version wasn't that bad either. Your choice of the three films was great. <small> You don't have to be an expert to have good taste in films</small>. I've seen two of them but I haven't seen The Lady Vanishes. I am going to add it to my to watch list. ] ] 19:39, 21 March 2016 (UTC)
::::::::::::The Lady Vanishes is a bit of a slow start, but it's delightful; it ends suddenly with the message, ''We will come through this together, and all will be happy and well again''. And don't forget Things To Come. You gotta love Welles the prognosticator: "And I suppose their grandchildren will see even more wonderful things!" youtu DOT be/LIuEFBxXsFE?t=320 ''']]''' 03:47, 26 March 2016 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Thank you very much EEng for the suggestion. I really liked The Lady Vanishes. As you say, it was delightful. The atmosphere of the film was wonderful. The beginning, although slow, was great for character development. I found the portrayal of the Nazis rather understated. Did Hitchcock appear in the film? I checked but couldn't see any cameo appearance. I saw Things To Come some time ago. It was very nice and typically British. Welles is a great author, rendering Doomsday scenarios in a typically British fashion. Can't go wrong with those Brits. :) ] ] 10:58, 26 March 2016 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Just after the boy and girl get off the train near the end, Hitchcock (with cigarette and giving an odd shrug) is one of the people seen moving along the platform. I don't know this because I'm some Hitchcock freak; I looked at the end just before posting last night, and that moment just happened to be where I "put the needle down" (as we said in the old days).


::It is all good Doc. During the summer here in Kansas I prefer the indoors. I am in no way a warm weather person. The discussion worked itself out, I guess. I was not involved but I was very curious as to the historiographical context. Take care where you are. ] (]) 20:36, 16 August 2022 (UTC)
::::::::::::::I love the way the old movies just resolve the story and move instantly to the credits -- no long pullback out the window, a helicopter taking us over the city as joyous or sad or bittersweet music swells up etc etc and so on and so forth. Both City Lights (www DOT youtube DOT com/watch?v=C_vqnySNhQ0) and The Bicycle Thief (www DOT youtube DOT com/watch?v=C_lJbSJoIuw ) have these abrupt and perfect endings. (In 1949 James Agee called the end of City Lights the greatest moment in film, and that's still true as far as I'm concerned. BTW, one of the newsboys is played by ].) ''']]''' 20:28, 26 March 2016 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::I have seen The Bicycle Thief but not the City Lights. I'll check it out. I agree that the type of ending such as the one in The Bicycle Thief is definitely superior to the modern cliché ending sequences. Thank you for letting me know about Hitchcock's appearance. I'll try to spot him now that you told me. ] ] 04:11, 27 March 2016 (UTC) :::Thank you KB. I always try to take advantage of the summer because I am a big water fun. :) I like winter too, but up to a point. I saw the discussion. It appears quiet for now. I'm surprised somehow because I know the editor who supports inclusion of the source and I think he's very reasonable and I respect him/her. But, I guess, we can't agree on everything. :) Take care and keep well, my friend.] ] 18:33, 18 August 2022 (UTC)
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:::::::::::::::::Wait... You've never seen ]? Are you joking? Are you a subject in an ]? It is undoubtedly Chaplin's masterpiece. ''Do not spoil the experience by reading any synopsis'' but, actually, even if you do it might not matter much -- I've seen it maybe ten times and it always brings me to tears. This is the work for which the phrase "Not a dry eye in the house" was truly coined. You'll see what I mean. ''']]''' 16:19, 27 March 2016 (UTC) <small>I hope you're not just being nice by allowing yourself to be drawn into this long discussion.</small>
{{od}} I may have seen it, but it was a long time ago. Once upon a time I went through my Charlie Chaplin discovery phase and I remember City Lights, but not many details. I'll make sure I refresh my memory of that film, especially after your recommendation. :) ] ] 04:41, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
::::::::::::::P.S. Your "typically British" comment reminded me of ]{{mdashb}}and who would write such a strange Misplaced Pages article, anyway?{{mdashb}}which was reviewed thus: "artly in the mode of a house party mystery story, partly in the manner of the early H. G. Wells"; "In the British tradition of novels where humanity is threatened, much of the action occurs in rural areas, the narrator is much more an observer than an active player in events, and technical issues—​​how 17th-century scientists managed to get to the moon—​​are simply ignored."
:::::::::::::::Very interesting. I love this type of story. British sci-fi novels and films are in a class of their own. I remember watching several Quatermass films some years ago. They were great. ] ] 04:11, 27 March 2016 (UTC)
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Hi Dr.K, there seems to be an IP who constantly makes an edit without any benefit for the article and without specifying what it is . I've reverted him two times already and don't wanna keep watch on him since I don't have the time. What should I do. (] (]) 19:30, 19 March 2016 (UTC))
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:I suggest you leave it. It isn't vandalism so this is no exception to 3RR. Plus you are supposed to be under a 1RR restriction. ] ] 21:56, 19 March 2016 (UTC)
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::After evaluating the IP's edit you're probably right. Although I thought you told me the revert rules didn't apply to IP's. (] (]) 02:33, 20 March 2016 (UTC))
:::There are no exceptions for or against IPs for 3RR. 3RR is strictly about content, not who the user is. Plus ]. I don't think I could have ever said something like that. ] ] 03:11, 20 March 2016 (UTC)
::::You did as a response to my question here unless I'm probably missing something. (] (]) 04:45, 20 March 2016 (UTC))
:::::Your question {{tq|If you are in a 1RR for a topic or topic-related article, does this include the reverting of non-vandalizing IP's?}} threw me off. You mentioned "topic" so I was thinking about a 1RR restriction for a specific "topic". So, I thought you asked a general question about reverting an IP outside a specific "topic", which was outside the 1RR restriction. But this does not apply in your case because your 1RR restriction is not related to a specific topic; it is general. You are not allowed to revert more than once anywhere, no matter what the topic is. ] ] 05:34, 20 March 2016 (UTC)
::::::But the 1RR I was given was for a month which I don't think it still applies, maybe as a recommended measure, and I don't think that if the revert rule whether topic-related or not, it doesn't really make much difference since a user who reverts an IP under a 1RR is still trespassing his limits in a topic-related article and the scenario isn't that distant as to revert an IP under no 1RR topic-ban. (] (]) 18:19, 20 March 2016 (UTC))
::::::: You are correct. It was a 0R restriction, not 1R, and it was valid for a month. ]. So in theory you are able to revert IPs and editors more than once now, although I would not advise it because it can lead to a slippery slope. ] ] 18:41, 20 March 2016 (UTC)
::::::::Which is why I don't revert more than once, or at least I try not to :) (] (]) 18:49, 20 March 2016 (UTC))


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Thanks for your edits in EOKA. Seems that we ended up in a commonly accepted version. A minor suggestion. You wrote "..the Greek Cypriots seeing that neither the British investment, nor Enosis, had materialised...", you have to clarify which investment you are talking about. CheersΤζερόνυμο (talk) 08:23, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

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Air France Flight 447 (Part 2)

I did follow what you said about not linking the article to flight 771, but now I had a new wat to put it that I couldn't resisting not posting (okay maybe I could). It goes: "Just 11 months after the crash, on 12 May 2010, the Airbus A330 had another fatal crash when Afriqiyah Airways Flight 771( operated by an Airbus A330-202 registered as 5A-ONG) crashed on final approach to Tripoli International Airport in Tripoli, Libya, killing all but one of the 104 people on board. This further hampered the investigation into flight 447 as it also involved an Airbus A330."

So what should I do? Just cut out the "as it also involved an Airbus A330." Maybe the A330's reputation was damaged briefly until one or both of the investigations was/were complete? I don't know. Also, I doubt this is going to work, and I wasn't sure if I should even add it, but I couldn't take it and I needed your help. (P.S. even though my proposal failed, the responses were still interesting and was a cool topic (if that's the way I should put it because aviation disasters are tragic)). I'm sorry if this frustrates you. Also I saw the rules, but I posted it here because im nervous about what other user will say. I hope that you will understand Tigerdude9 (talk) 16:43, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

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Hi, could you please help me with the article for Rossendale United F.C.? Best, JV5, Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 23:36, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi Joe. Sure, I'll have a look. Take care. Dr. K. 02:29, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

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Merci beaucoup, Gerda. As the seasons pass, and times change, it is always nice to see you reminding me of an anniversary as beautiful as this. Au revoir ma chère. Dr. K. 17:51, 1 November 2018 (UTC)
six, avec plaisir --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:28, 1 November 2019 (UTC)
Ma chère Gerda, quelle bonne surprise. Mais je devrais savoir. Chaque année, le même jour, tu m'apportes le même beau cadeau. Vous avez créé une belle tradition Wikipédienne. Merci encore. À l'année prochaine. Dr. K. 10:45, 1 November 2019 (UTC)

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Please accept my apologies along with this barnstar. I was not acting in good faith. I thought that you were playing the copyvio card. History teaches that someone should acknowledge his wrong-doings.Cinadon36 (talk) 19:15, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

The Copyright Cleanup Barnstar
Kudos when dueCinadon36 (talk) 19:15, 2 November 2018 (UTC)
History teaches that someone should acknowledge his wrong-doings. History? I thought his name was @Jayron32: Talking about a lesson from history. Dr. K. 19:26, 2 November 2018 (UTC)
👍 Like --Jayron32 19:29, 2 November 2018 (UTC)
Well, the post of @Jayron32: did the trick. He explained it very well. But I do not have a barnstar for him though.Cinadon36 (talk) 19:31, 2 November 2018 (UTC)
That's fine by me. I don't need to collect pieces of flair to validate my work. Thanks for working to make Misplaced Pages better! A better encyclopedia is reward enough for me. --Jayron32 19:34, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

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Hi Cinadon. I have a new plan. A more equitable and stress-free plan. Here it is: Instead of sending these files to me, an action that would make me the sole recipient of the information - with all the responsibility this entails, you can upload the files on dropbox, and provide the link to anyone who cares to check them out. I think this is a much simpler and equitable proposal and removes the responsibility from me to have to analyse and explain the info therein. Dr. K. 02:51, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
Ok, will do.Cinadon36 (talk) 07:00, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

EOKA article

Geia sas Dr.K., hope all is well with you! I have the article on EOKA on my watchlist and after returning from a (sort of) wikibreak I found it in a very different shape than when I last saw it and I was frankly shocked. I remember it being a well-written and comprehensive article, but now it's got little content on the actual article and lots of text on the talk page... I am skim reading through the talk page, but if I am not mistaken, all that "well-written and comprehensive" text was removed simply because of copyright issues, right? Am I missing anything? Just wanted to check before I jump in editing and commenting :) Regards. --GGT (talk) 02:45, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

Hello GGT. You know why it was "well-written and comprehensive"? Because it was a large-scale copyvio from the (mainly) British sources. Those Brit academics sure know how to write well. Dr. K. 03:06, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

Removal of NPOV tag on Armenian Genocide without consensus

If you review the talk page you will see there was no consensus for the removal. If you don't restore the tag I will, until there is actually a consensus to remove it. At least 3 or 4 people agreed that at least the Armenian Holocaust label should be removed, at the very least, before the NPOV tag could be removed. The evidence on the talk page is plain as day for anyone to see and I suggest you actually check the talk page before barging into discussions you haven't previously been a part of and making false claims like "nobody agrees with you". Seraphim System 00:07, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

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User: Ericulis

Hello Dr.K., Could I please draw your attention to the changes made on the D. B. Cooper article made by Ericulis (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log). You have previously warned this user about unreliable sources etc; and they are again using self WP:OR references, copyright pics and starting edit-warring again, as they did earlier this year. Both another editor and myself have warned them to no avail. Can I leave this with you please? Regards, David, David J Johnson (talk) 22:07, 10 December 2018 (UTC)

Hi David. Thank you for your note. I reverted and warned them. It doesn't look good. A new account, longterm edit-warring, marking big and controversial edits as minor, while not participating on the talkpage, is historically not a good sign for an easy resolution of this problem. Dr. K. 03:43, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

KALISPERA

Είναι που χρειάζεται να προσθέτουμε τις πηγές και το ξεχνάω κάποιες φορές λόγω ταχύτητας, αλλά ο παίχτης Μεις έχει όντως αποχωρήσει και μόλις ανακοινώθηκε μια μεταγραφή. με συγχωρείς δε θα μου δια φύγει ξανά. Και ο άλλος οι αλλαγές που εφαρμόζει σωστές είναι. Καλή χρονιά και καλή συνέχεια σε ό,τι κάνειςPsyc217 (talk)

As you know, all additions have to be supported by WP:RS. If you can find sources for the Greek players' weights, you can readd these to the article. But not before then. Happy New Year to you too. Dr. K. 23:01, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

The articles related with Cyprus are full and only, of serious anti Greek-Cypriot POV to the point to incite hatred among Greek-Cypriots and a victimhood culture among Turkish Cypiots

I have decided to talk to you, since you seem to be the only Greek around here, that may be part of what is going on here. If you are not and you are just a user, you can completely ignore this, it will be completely outside of your influence. The articles related with Cyprus are full and only of serious anti Greek-Cypriot POV, and as back as I go in their history, I see exactly the same. The same POV propaganda narrative enforced here, with all the NPOV users getting banned and all the POV ones to be immuned. Do you plan to do something about it, at some point, or leave it be.?Jazz1972 (talk) 01:04, 5 February 2019 (UTC)

Guidance needed

Hello Dr.K., I'd like to borrow your insight on English grammar and usage. I am told that a I constructed an invalid sentence in "It is closed with aggrieve." namely because "aggrieve" is not a noun. Can it not be used, in this manner, while "aggrieve" is a transitive verb relating to the object "it"? Please advise. Thank you.--John Cline (talk) 17:58, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

Hi John. How are you? It's been such a long time since we talked. It is always nice hearing from you. To the subject at hand, the sentence fragment "It is closed with" cannot be concluded with a verb, transitive or intransitive, since verbs indicate some form of action. In this case, even if the transitive verb "aggrieve" had the direct object "it" explicitly stated, the syntax would not have been proper, because doing so would have implied that you are directing someone to "aggrieve" the object, "it". Putting it another way, let's say you wrote: "It is closed with erase it". This statement is incorrect, because there is a disconnect between the action "It is closed" and the command to "erase it". The original sentence "It is closed with aggrieve.", even if informally interpreted, seems to direct someone to "aggrieve ", as a result of the close. I don't think that was your intent in closing that RfC. I hope this makes sense to you. Take care John. Dr. K. 22:19, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
Thank you Dr.K., I appreciate you more than language can say! And though I am well, I am full of regret for failing to inquire, of you, the same; what am I coming to be? While I know you are not one to require amends, I must insist, on the day we break bread, that you allow me the privilege of paying the tab. As to matters at hand, yes, I understand you thoroughly well, and am compelled to say: your prowess exceeds your credentials and could never exist by them alone. It must certainly be that yours is a genuine gift, and I am in awe for knowing its source! Thank you for sharing that gift with likes such as me; to many, a wretch worthy of scorn. Yes, I appreciate you, much more than language ever can say.--John Cline (talk) 04:59, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
John, thank you very much for your kind words. Coming from you, an editor I greatly respect, they are an honour. Don't feel bad about the social greeting. It is perhaps a fault of mine. Since early on, I had detected a certain lack of social niceties in the interactions between Misplaced Pages editors, which I find rather disappointing. The editing environment here emphasises results rather than idle interactions, and puts pressure on editors to deliver. So, I try to compensate for that as much as I can by paying attention to the social component of affairs here. Far from your self-deprecating comments, I consider you to be an enthusiastic, reasonable, and capable editor who has contributed greatly to this project. It's always a pleasure talking to you, and I hope, as you so nicely put it, to break bread with you some day, even if it is of the wiki variety. :) Take care John. Dr. K. 08:40, 16 February 2019 (UTC)

Copyvio at AOC article?

Dr.K., could you point me to the diff(s) where JohnTopShelf committed copyvio? Those edits should be revdel'ed. Thanks. -- MelanieN (talk) 04:28, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

Hi Melanie. I was referring to a sentence in the criticism section that the editor was edit-warring into the article just before he got blocked. The copyvio sentence is included here, in my latest reply at Cortez's talkpage. There may be more, but I haven't checked. Dr. K. 04:35, 14 March 2019 (UTC)
Oh, I see - it's the partial sentence inside the tq. Of course, by posting it there on the talk page, you also committed copyvio! 0;-D For such a short, partial sentence, I'm not going to bother to revdel. Thanks. -- MelanieN (talk) 04:39, 14 March 2019 (UTC)
Ha, yes. But at least I quoted it directly mentioning the source, so it's fair use. :) I will check to see if there are more copyvios or CLOP in the edit. Dr. K. 04:46, 14 March 2019 (UTC)
@MelanieN: Hi Melanie. As I suspected it's much worse. Please see the following strings from this edit: Google search 1, G-search 2, G search 3, G search 4. Dr. K. 05:04, 14 March 2019 (UTC)
@MelanieN: Hi Melanie again. Also please see this copyvio report on Fox news from Earwig. Dr. K. 05:13, 14 March 2019 (UTC)
Looks like justlettersandnumbers took care of it. -- MelanieN (talk) 19:05, 14 March 2019 (UTC)
Thank you very much Melanie for the update. Take care. Dr. K. 21:16, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

Pythagoras

Hi, this link here is where I had gotten that info from https://www.history.com/news/6-historical-figures-who-may-or-may-not-have-existed that I had added to the Pythagoras page about his existence being disputed. I know you say his existence isn't disputed, but isn't this source reliable? Also why can't I edit the page and what exactly does it mean only autocomfirmed editors allowed to edit this page? Davidgoodheart (talk) 10:14, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

Hi David. History.com is not a reliable source. Also this fact about the doubt of his existence is not covered in the article as far as I checked. So you cannot put it in the lead per WP:LEAD. I am not sure about the technical difficulties you experienced in your editing. Which page were you trying to edit? Dr. K. 10:42, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

The Pythagoras page. The source that I added isn't the only source that says his existence is disputed, as there are lots of others as well. I would guess you would say that those aren't likely reliable either wouldn't you? Maybe they aren't since they also claim people who did exist perhaps didn't, yet they also mention people whose existence is clearly debated. Davidgoodheart (talk) 10:51, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

Nomination of Atul Singh for deletion

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Another K-pop article

I don't want to bother but could you please take a look at NCT's page and this part of the talk section. Obviously there are hardcore fans editing the page and they don't want to listen. I don't think a Misplaced Pages article should mention unconfirmed facts. WayV has yet to be officially announced by SM as part of NCT but fans add them to the page with no reliable source confirming that this new group is actually part of the NCT's system.--2A02:8108:1840:1474:5978:B972:3F4A:1CED (talk) 18:56, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Billy Jamieson

On 29 March 2019, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Billy Jamieson, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Toronto treasure and antique dealer Billy Jamieson discovered the lost mummy of pharaoh Ramesses I when he purchased the Niagara Falls Museum? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Billy Jamieson. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Billy Jamieson), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

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MfD nomination of Portal:Byzantine Empire/DYK

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Expanding article

Hi, is there any chance that you could expand this article Mieczysław Kosmowski. I have expanded it, but perhaps it could still be expanded some more. Davidgoodheart (talk) 00:19, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

Hi David. Excellent work. I checked, but so far many of the sources appear to be in Polish, which is not a language I understand. I think this needs someone with expertise in Polish. Sorry. Take care. Dr. K. 21:30, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

Starting a project

Hi Dr.K. Long time no talk. I was wondering how I can start a collaborative initiative/project where I, along with others can change the details in the article of the city and it's info. In this section which I was able to reach consensus (it's been a while though), I discussed how the city of Rome is a city that encompasses two countries, yet infobox details and other details in the article need to be changed to fit this criteria, and don't think I can do it all by myself. Also, how have you been? (N0n3up (talk) 05:23, 3 April 2019 (UTC))

Hi N0n3up. Nice talking to you after such a long time. I am very well, thank you, and I'm glad to see you back in action. I'll check the matter soon and will let you know my opinion on this. Take care. Dr. K. 06:12, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

Reports of edit wars and fabricating texts to make them more bias

Dear administrator Dr.K. I have opened a TALK PAGE in every case of edit wars with user Havsjö. He refused to discuss on the topics in the Talk section and continued edit warring, instead of answering the issue in the Talk page, he answered in the description of the edit:

*There is nothing in Talk, just you again saying "different period, different period!". But there IS NOT DIFFERENT PERIOD. Tell me what merged with Slavonia in 1868 to create Croatia-Slavonia then? It was the Kingdom of Croatia (Habsburg)!!

Which is not a way of communication on the Misplaced Pages. (see: https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Kingdom_of_Croatia_(Habsburg)&action=history). In the next article (https://en.wikipedia.org/Triune_Kingdom) the user on purpose deleted segments with sourced text which change the article to be more bias. He has deleted a sourced text which first mentions the term in 1527 used in that article, to gave it a more later date. When even another contemporary researcher was added to confirm the text, he has put on both of them the Unreliable citation sign and deleted part of the text, which now didn't correlate with the source (see source Frankopan title). The user added terms Croatian Nationalists in 1848 and source the text, citation of users text:

*During the Revolutions of 1848, Croatian nationalists proposed the establishment of the independent Triune Kingdom, which would be a Croatian cultural and political union. 

The same source he mentioned, which is a relevant research article doesn't mention Nationalists during 1848 in any kind of form! The article doesn't even primarily talk on the subject of Nationalism, which you can see by its name: National Programme and Social Changes during the Revolutions in 1848-1849 and summary. Second in the cited pages 12 and 13 doesn't mention in a single word Nationalism. In contrary it mentions liberal and pluralist ideas, as well as the main ideology of Austro-Slavism, also it mentions the Sabor and Reformers, in no way associated with nationalism. This means that the user on purpose has written a text and added a source which doesn't support nor mention his claim. Then he added another source which was not a research article and had many errors (wrong year of the Illyrian movement (1848 instead of 1843), wrong year of Matica Hrvatska, wrong data of successor political parties) but in the end doesn't mention the term Croatian Nationalist which is used by the user in case of 1848 and the Austro-Slavic movement and prior to it, the Pan-Slavic Illyrian movement. In any case this is a major breach of Misplaced Pages policies, especially in regards of fabricating texts!

Another problem is regarding Personal insults! The user in the mentioned TALK page used personal insults to other editors (citation);

*If you acctually had any reading comprehension

as well as

*Learn to read before coming to english wikipedia.

So dear administrator Dr.K. I would like you to review all the mentioned, which is present in the linked descriptions and moderate in this question. SY dr.sc.Ban kavalir (talk) 08:06, 5 April 2019 (UTC)


I will reiterate what I just wrote in the talk for the '*Triune Kingdom
Im not trying to insult, but clearly do not have a very good grasp of English (or a very free interpretation of the language...). Since the first source does indeed not mention nationalism, nor do I have claimed that does. That is simply another source related to the sentence relating to the nationalists and sabor pushing for autonomy during the revolutions, with this source being specifically for the claim for the Sabor, so that is irrelevant to your point. Secondly, the second source (for the "nationalist" claim)(although it would be quite ovious since the Illyrian movement was a "national awakening" pushing for Croatian culture, language and territorial gains and autonomy) quite clearly states they are Illyrianists are considered "the first stage of Croatian nationalism", again:
The Book: Encyclopedia of Nationalism, Volume II, Chapter: Croatian Nationalism, page 104-105 "The first stage of Croatian nationalism is associated with the Illyrianist movement (1836-1848) During the revolutions of 1848 the Illyrianists sought to achieve Croatian political autonomy within a federalized Habsburg monarchy.".
"Illyrianists", i.e. followers/reforms of that "ideology" can exist after the movement is cracked down upon or banned, as leading figures from it are the ones pushing for its goals just a few years later in 1848 (as mentioned in the second source), it refers to "Illyrianists", not the official organisation itself. And you clearly do not understand what it means when something is "spawned" from something else (in this case "Illyrianism") in the sentence "Illyrianism spawned two political movements. the first was Ante Starcevics party of...". It doesnt not mean it was the successor or even has to be created by the same people, and it does not say the Starcevics party was the "first nationalists" in Croatia, it says that IllyrianISM spawned two movements after it was gone. So there is nothing wrong with the sources other than you being angry since it goes against the narrative of the "Triune Kingdom" that the articles mentions certain groups (and certain people today...) are trying to push as legitimate.
As for "Matica Hrvatska", since both English and Croatian wikipedia (including the pages for Jank Draskovic) refer to it being opened in 1842 (even with a specific day), I will assume that it changed names later and that you are just trying to desperately poke holes in a perfectly good source since it goes against your POV pushing. Especially since you in the same swoop as this remove the "biased source?" tag for, and I repeat this again, a literal member of the very group mentioned in the articles as having its primary goal in trying push for the recognition and legitimacy of the Triune Kingdom...
Regarding the other TALK pages, I have responded, aside from one of on Kingdom of Croatia (Habsburg), since that is no legitimate talk section or discussion, you just saying how "you moved everything after 1848" while deleted over 7000 characters and sources from the article, to your newly created articles (this one also pushing the "Triune Kingdom"), a subject which has been brought up and debunked for various 19th century Croatia-related articles (even immediately above it this this "move announcement", there are several discussions relating the dubious Triune Kingdom), since its obviously based on the 19th century nationalists aspirations of the very same people and groups which you have even used as source to support claims related to it, such as the aforementioned "first mention in 1527".
You claim I deleted your information, but you can see I dont remove any sources in the edit-war on the Triune Kingdom page, only reformat text (partly because of appalling english grammar...), I even left in the obviously biased author I mentioned above (who was a member of party whos primary goal was to be pro-triune), including only a "unreliable source?" tag, with this explanation (which you of course removed, along side sources I provided, while calling them fake while failing to understand them..(!))
The topic surrounding the idea of the Triune Kingdom can be seen mentioned in many different talk pages on croatian related "countries"/topics, even 10 years back, with people calmly explaining the (unrecognized) claims on Dalmatia, irredentism and national aspirations of Nationalists groups of that time. So to create such massive changes on all these articles and even creating new ones (deleting large parts of Kingdom of Croatia (Habsburg) and changing the uncontroversial and "well-known" fact that it ended in 1868 when merged with Kingdom of Slavonia to create Kingdom of Croatia-Slavonia (which you claim is not even a recognized entitiy in favour of the "Triune Kingdom"(!!)) have been changed to push the Triune Kingdom narrative even further levels than even previous claims, such as in this article: Triune Kingdom of Croatia. Its such a transparent agenda, especially when above every talk section you create calling other people "SABOTEURS" and "FABRICATORS" , you have dozens of discussions of yesteryear explaining the situation regaring the Triune Kingdom. See talk of Talk:Kingdom of Croatia-Slavonia, for example. When the whole article "Triune Kingdom" itself is just explaining this situation about nationalist aspirations even. (well, although im certain 19th century Dr. Ivan Bojničić of the Croatian Peoples Party's claims have "corrected it" by now...)
I quite regret being one of the two participants in such a massive edit-war so late last at night, but it really riled me up seeing such flagrant and brazen, obviously transparent attempts to push this idea to all these articles (and with such accusations thrown around at the same time!) --Havsjö (talk) 08:17, 5 April 2019 (UTC)
@Havsjö and Ban kavalir: Given the immense amount of edit-warring in multiple articles, the only thing I can propose now for both of you is to go to the 3RR noticeboard and pledge that you will not edit-war any longer. In the case of Ban kavalir, I strongly suggest he self-reverts in all articles he has edit-warred, to show that he is no longer seeking advantage by edit-warring. If he does not do that, I am certain he is going to be blocked for a long time. Best of luck. By the way, I'm not an admin. Dr. K. 09:06, 5 April 2019 (UTC)

References

  1. Korunić 1999, pp. 12–13. sfn error: no target: CITEREFKorunić1999 (help)
  2. Korunić Petar, National Programme and Social Changes during the Revolutions in 1848-1849, FFZG, Radovi 31, Institute of Croatian History, Zagreb, (1998), p: 39
  3. Korunić Petar, National Programme and Social Changes during the Revolutions in 1848-1849, FFZG, Radovi 31, Institute of Croatian History, Zagreb, (1998), p: 12-13

Can you help me make some infoboxes

Hi, I currently have done a lot of editing and have more to do. Can you please me make some infoboxes for me, as I need all the help that I can get, and can't do all this editing by myself. Davidgoodheart (talk) 21:58, 6 April 2019 (UTC)

Hi David. Infoboxes are not my thing, but if you want me to lend a hand somewhere, I'll consider it. Dr. K. 04:42, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
If you can make an infobox for this article Aarni Neuvonen that would be great. I am going to be making infoboxes for other articles as well. Also congadulations for saving the Pavlos Kouroupis article from deletion as well! I have since added it to the List of people who disappeared as it has earned its rightful place on that list! It will get even more views now that is there. Davidgoodheart (talk) 06:53, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
(watching, and willing:) That is a strange article for a biography, not say born when, educated in what and where, day job what. It needs that first. I use {{infobox person}} for all people, and the documentation is quite good, - you can probably do it yourself. I confess that I usually simply copy from a similar person, and that fill the fields (and typically leave one wrong, - better don't do that). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:33, 7 April 2019 (UTC)

attitude

I would suggest edits (and edit summaries) like this ] will do you no favours, rein it in a bit.Slatersteven (talk) 10:38, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

Not sure why you think this is inappropriate. I was simply expressing my relief that a regular voiced their opinion, a bit late, but better than never. If this opinion had come a bit earlier, a lot of upheaval would have been avoided. I stand by that assessment. I don't see why you disapprove. Dr. K. 10:53, 21 April 2019 (UTC)
On second thought, perhaps, a subtler response could have been more appropriate. In any case, thanks for the verdict. Dr. K. 11:27, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

Please see

Talk:Student_protest#student_suicide_as_student_protest. Your examples are for student activism, not on-campus student protests. Otherwise we might as well merge those two articles. Hence why I also proposed a move, to avoid confusion between those terms. Student protest is ambiguous. Of course, in simple English, those self-immolation were student protests, as in 'protests by students'. But in academic literature, we distinguish 'protest physically located on campus', i.e. campus protest, sometimes referred to as student protest, to a more general student activism, which includes all forms of student mobilization, activism, and protests, whether on campus or not. If we can find an a example of student suicide that occurred on campus, it will be an example of an extreme student/campus protest, but the examples you provided happened on city squares, and as such, they are not on-campus student protests. IMHO I think the extreme examples of on-campus protest we could find would include violence, vandalism, even casualties, but probably not outright suicide... --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 05:35, 25 April 2019 (UTC) PS. Your effort is not wasted, and is appreciated. I've moved the content you added/sourced to student activism: . Those are important incidents, but they are examples of student activism (also sometimes known as student protest), not of campus activism (also sometimes known as student protest). Student protest is simply an imprecise term that should be a disambig. Please reconsider your objection to the move. There's no independently-notable concept of student protest outside student activism or campus protest. It's just an ambiguous term. Protest by students = student activism. Protest on campus = campus protest. Student protest = disambig between those two. I hope we can mend fences and agree on this. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 05:46, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Kardaki Temple

On 5 May 2019, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Kardaki Temple, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Kardaki Temple is considered to be the only Greek temple of Doric architecture that does not have a frieze? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Kardaki Temple. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Kardaki Temple), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

— Maile (talk) 00:01, 5 May 2019 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Pavlos Kouroupis

Hello, I completed a review at Template:Did you know nominations/Pavlos Kouroupis, and noted one question. Please respond there when you are able. I look forward to seeing this nomination on the main page. Thanks! Flibirigit (talk) 04:43, 5 May 2019 (UTC)

Obama Birth Certificate

Inserting the word "falsely" into the introductory sentence of the Obama Birth Certificate article makes it seem like you have a personal bias towards a certain viewpoint. Even though all the evidence points to Obama being born in the US, it is being intellectually dishonest to suggest that it's 100% a matter of fact that he was born there. Removing the word "falsely" simply removes that bias and provides an objective viewpoint on the situation. I hope you understand where I'm coming from. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Goldstandard32 (talkcontribs) 05:19, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

No, it is 100% fact. That a few delusional morons continue to believe, in spite of all evidence, that Obama was born in Kenya, is of no more consequence to us than the fact that a few delusional morons continue to believe, in spite of all evidence, that the moon is made of green cheese. NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 05:21, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
Thank you NorthBySouthBaranof. Your reply captures the situation quite well. You saved me from typing my own. Dr. K. 05:29, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
Fwiw, I wrote one too: . Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 05:52, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
Good points. Unfortunately, he didn't heed your advice and now he is blocked. Dr. K. 05:56, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
Yeah. That seemed a little quick, but I see they reverted again 20 min after being warned at their talkpage. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 06:09, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

Upgrading article

Hi, could you please upgrade this article Akpan Utuk for me? I have a lot of editing to do and can't do it all by myself. Davidgoodheart (talk) 20:56, 9 May 2019 (UTC)

Hi David. Sorry, but I Googled and I couldn't find any English sources for this topic. Dr. K. 00:15, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Pavlos Kouroupis

On 13 May 2019, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Pavlos Kouroupis, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Colonel Pavlos Kouroupis was the first commanding officer defending Cyprus at the start of the Turkish invasion and is considered the first missing person of the conflict? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Pavlos Kouroupis. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Pavlos Kouroupis), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

 — Amakuru (talk) 00:02, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Nostradamos (band)

On 25 May 2019, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Nostradamos (band), which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Greek pop band Nostradamos won the best new composer and performer prize at the 1972 Thessaloniki Song Festival with their song "Dos Mou to Heri Sou" ('Give Me Your Hand')? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Nostradamos (band). You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Nostradamos (band)), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

 — Amakuru (talk) 00:02, 25 May 2019 (UTC)

Nostradamos (band)

Dear Doctor, thanks again for a little gem on Greek culture. I enjoyed it and learned quite a bit :). Keep it up, and best regards! Constantine 15:24, 25 May 2019 (UTC)

Dear Kosta, thank you for your encouragement. You are very welcome, but it is my turn to thank you also for your great contributions on Byzantine civilisation and many other topics. As far as Nostradamos, I hope you liked the songs, in addition to the article. :) Take care. Dr. K. 18:38, 25 May 2019 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Dispute resolution noticeboard

Hi, please have a look at Misplaced Pages:Dispute resolution noticeboard#Talk:EOKA#Death toll.Cinadon36 18:32, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Temple of Hera, Mon Repos

On 3 June 2019, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Temple of Hera, Mon Repos, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the roof of the Temple of Hera in Corfu was decorated with large terracotta figures painted in vivid colour, making it one of the most intricately adorned buildings of Archaic Greece? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Temple of Hera, Mon Repos. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Temple of Hera, Mon Repos), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

 — Amakuru (talk) 00:02, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

File:Municipal theatre of Corfu being built.jpg

Hi. You thanked me for File:Municipal theatre of Corfu being built.jpg, but do you think it could still stand to be narrower and taller, to match the 'original'? I was a bit confused, because your 'sepia' version has a 'wide' aspect ratio. I worked from that 'sepia' version for detail, but I can easily adjust the final aspect ratio to be narrower and taller, to match the 'original' if you think that would be correct - your choice. Cheers. -- Begoon 19:11, 9 June 2019 (UTC)

  • Actually, I've gone ahead and uploaded that a/r adjustment, because I'll be offline in a while and I don't want to forget. You can just revert it if you don't think it's required/necessary/correct (or if you just don't like it...) Cheers. -- Begoon 19:26, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
  • Hi Begoon. Thank you for letting me know and for trying to fix this picture. I'm not sure about the aspect ratio, so I'll leave it up to your judgement. Take care. Dr. K. 19:32, 9 June 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Tomb of Menecrates

On 25 June 2019, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Tomb of Menecrates, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the Lion of Menecrates (pictured) is thought to have been part of the Tomb of Menecrates in Corfu, Greece, built for an ancient Korkyrean ambassador who was lost at sea? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Tomb of Menecrates. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Tomb of Menecrates), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

— Maile (talk) 00:01, 25 June 2019 (UTC)

Panathinaikos B.C.

Ok, what's going on here? You are automatically reverting my edits, where I'm just citing the listed weight of the players that is missing, from the info that is given from their Misplaced Pages pages, and you're telling me that Misplaced Pages is not a reliable source? Have you seen a reliable source regarding the existing listed weight of the other players? It doesn't make sense. Before you accuse somebody for disruptive editing, please check their previous edits. All my edits on Panathinaikos B.C. are in good faith. I'm the only one in that specific page whose edits are 100% accurate, and I'm reverting anything that is not confirmed. I was the one that requested for that article to get semi-protection. You are not fair with me, man. I think that I deserve better treatment here. --Panosgatto (talk) 10:09, 13 July 2019 (UTC)

Yes, absolutely, that's what I've been telling you: Misplaced Pages is not a reliable source. See Misplaced Pages:USERGENERATED. I can't believe you don't understand this simple fact. Anyone can edit Misplaced Pages. So anyone can put any number they like. If the stuff they add to the wiki doesn't have reliable source backup, external to Misplaced Pages, the stuff must be removed. That's why we have WP:RS. Only the reliable sources can verify the facts we add on wiki. See WP:V. I hope this helps. . Dr. K. 10:49, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
With all due respect, I'm just telling you that this doesn't make sense, because you either have to accept the missing listed weight of these players, or you have to remove the existing listed weight of the others. I understand Misplaced Pages's policy regarding reliability, but you're going with different criteria for the exact same situation, and that's what's confusing me. --Panosgatto (talk) 11:06, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
No. Any weights that are not sourced to reliable sources stay out. That's non-negotiable. The foreign players have their weights listed by the NBA and other reliable sources, that's why I left them in. Most Greek players don't have reliable sources for their weight. That's why I removed them. Some Greek players have their weight listed by reliable sources, external to Misplaced Pages. If you can find them, you can add them. But remember, no wiki sources. Dr. K. 11:19, 13 July 2019 (UTC),
Ok, now you made it clear and understandable, explaining the NBA sources. If I find reliable sources about the other players, I'll add the info. But just reminding again that all my edits are in good faith. I don't like to see you implying that I'm vandalizing this article, please, cause it's not fair. I'm doing my best here. Thank you. --Panosgatto (talk) 11:29, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
I am glad we reached an understanding. I never implied you were vandalising the article. My warnings to you were for missing sources, not for vandalism. Now I understand even better that you do not plan to keep adding unsourced weights, so your good faith is clear. Best regards. Dr. K. 11:35, 13 July 2019 (UTC)

Petropoulos

Hello. I sincerely want to thank you for your help and contribution. Truly appreciate Skartsis (talk) 19:06, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

You are very welcome Mr. Skartsis. It was my pleasure. In turn, I wish to thank Icewhiz who alerted me to this deletion discussion. By the way, for many years I have been a fan of yours and your epic contributions on articles regarding the industrial development of Greece. Keep up the epic work and if you ever need my assistance, please don't hesitate to let me know. Take care. Dr. K. 19:42, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
Thanks again, I have seen your contributions on many subjects as well, please you too keep up the good work Skartsis (talk) 20:24, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
You are very welcome Mr. Skartsis, and thank you for your kind words. It was a pleasure talking to you. Take care. Dr. K. 21:00, 24 July 2019 (UTC)

BLP trivia and group musician articles

Hi, Dr. K, Drmies (talk · contribs) advised me to contact you regarding our discussion here: https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk%3ADrmies&type=revision&diff=907849418&oldid=907836846To sum it up, I've been seeing a lack of consistency in group articles. The articles for bands with international appeal (bands like Luna Sea, Babymetal, or even K-pop groups like Iz One) do not list things like member birthdates and image colors, while J-pop articles like Angerme, Iris (Japanese band), Camellia Factory, etc. insist on listing them. Could you give me a direction of understanding what to do when I edit articles? Thanks. lullabying (talk) 21:13, 25 July 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Stele of Arniadas

On 26 July 2019, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Stele of Arniadas, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the verses of the inscription on the funerary Stele of Arniadas are said to be "extraordinarily similar" to the words of Hector in the Iliad? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Stele of Arniadas. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Stele of Arniadas), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

 — Amakuru (talk) 00:02, 26 July 2019 (UTC)

Pavlos

Greetings! Do you think that you could expand some of the articles in the title listed above that are short and could use expanding. I believe that you are the best one suited to do this! Davidgoodheart (talk) 10:54, 3 August 2019 (UTC)

IamnotU???

Hello, I am Péter. Well, there is a problem with that 'admin' IamnotU or something like that. FOR ONE YEAR he has deleted ALL my changes, edits here, mainly without any reasons or any detailed explanations. It is not my style to 'run down' someone but in this case I am forced to because othewise there are no problems with my edits, he is the ONLY ONE that makes problems for me, I do not know why. Although I am not English I know this language quite well... So please HAVE a look at my Budapest edits and change them ONLY if there is a REAL reason. I want the text to be shorter, clearer, without word-repeatings etc., that was what I have done there. You can change there things that you think are NOT correct but to undo ALL my edits is very annoying. I was working on it a lot and I know this town quite well. Thanks in advance. Kapeter77 (talk) 12:52, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

Respond from user Grigoris3

I would like to apologize for forcing you warn me about my activity in Misplaced Pages, but I thought that my edits did not violate Misplaced Pages's policy and, therefore, following its motto "the 💕 anyone can edit", I edited without any warning. Grigoris3 (talk) 14:00, 29 August 2019 (UTC)

Thank you Grigoris for your nice message. This problem happens from time to time. People like numbering prime ministers of Greece, United Kingdom, and perhaps of other countries. This does not work for various reasons. When you see comments when you edit an article not to number or add honourifics, it would be a good idea to follow that advice. Take care. Dr. K. 21:07, 29 August 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Norman Surplus

On 8 September 2019, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Norman Surplus, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that in June 2019, Northern Irish pilot Norman Surplus became the first person to circumnavigate the globe using an autogyro? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Norman Surplus. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Norman Surplus), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

— Maile (talk) 14:50, 8 September 2019 (UTC)

Rolex Revert

Sorry, I didn't mean to thank you on that revert. I'd assumed the Thank You would bring up a messaging window.....not be automatic.

I didn't think a citation would be needed as I was bringing the article into agreement with the English Misplaced Pages article on "Automatic Watches". I don't believe citing Misplaced Pages is appropriate so, is it necessary to copy the citations from the other article? I honestly don't know ... I don't do edits I think require citations. Mad Bunny (talk) 06:22, 16 September 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for your message. The citation already in the Rolex article claims Rolex was the first to invent the automatic mechanism. Therefore, your edit did not conform to the existing reference. If you add another reference that contradicts the existing reference, then this has to be investigated further on the talkpage so that a determination can be made as to what is going on. Dr. K. 21:29, 16 September 2019 (UTC)

Block notices

My understanding is that you can't remove declined unblock notices while blocked, but removing the block notice is fine. – bradv🍁 03:31, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

I have a different understanding, but I'll check. Dr. K. 03:34, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
See WP:OWNTALK and WP:BLANKING. – bradv🍁 03:38, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
I had just finished reading those and was ready to reply when I saw your second message. You were correct. Thank you for the correction. Dr. K. 03:42, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
No worries. Cheers. – bradv🍁 03:45, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
Thank you again, Brad. Cheers. Dr. K. 03:53, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

You are most welcome.

Fylindfotberserk (talk) 10:23, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

Thank you Fylindfotberserk for the cute pic. :) Keep up the good work. Take care. Dr. K. 10:29, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

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My Apology Dr.K

I did not intend to revert the edit you've made on the McDonald's article. I can see how it appeared as though I engaged in an revert edit war, which I was not. I was in the process of editing another article and I did not realize I was still on the McDonald's Misplaced Pages article when it published as though I reverted your edit. I was and I am fine with your edit. It was my error on my end. I hope that clarifies things for you Dr.K. Thank you! Ehudakineah. 7:20, 25 November 2019 (UTC)

Thank you Ehudakineah for your nice message. No apology necessary. Edit-conflicts happen all the time. All the best to you. Dr. K. 17:25, 25 November 2019 (UTC)

An editor removing Ancient Greek diacritics

Hello! I think you have already noticed that there is a certain IP editor who keeps removing Ancient Greek diacritics from names and words and replacing them with Modern Greek diacritics. You may want to keep an eye on them. This editor appears to have been quite prolific in removing polytonic accents and breathing marks from various Ancient Greek names and words across a large number of articles. —Katolophyromai (talk) 04:35, 28 November 2019 (UTC)

Thank you, Kat. I finished up the cleanup you had started. Please let me know if they continue. Dr. K. 06:42, 29 November 2019 (UTC)
I will make sure to do that. Thank you for your response! —Katolophyromai (talk) 21:09, 22 December 2019 (UTC)
You are very welcome, Kat. Anytime. Thanks for reporting. Best of the Season to you and a Happy New Year! Dr. K. 21:37, 22 December 2019 (UTC)

Turks in Germany

Sorry, but I don't accept your warnings! Most of the users just put random sources from random people into the article, but I offered the official German statistics. If you ask any reputable and respectable scientist on this planet (especially statisticians or demographers) how many Turks live in Germany, then he would cite my numbers!


Sources in a Lead

Hello, I was wondering if you could explain the reasoning behind deleting my citation needed marks for the Western Culture article. All Misplaced Pages article statements are supposed to be sourced, and the first paragraph of the Lead section lacks any sources. I think it would be appropriate for the definition of Western Culture to be a sourced statement. This what led me to mark it as needing a citation. I see this as a learning opportunity and would love to grow as a Misplaced Pages contributor. Best. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bhousey7785 (talkcontribs) 20:59, 7 December 2019 (UTC)

Hello. The reasoning is explained in my edit-summary where I included a link to WP:LEAD. Please click on that link, where it is explained that the lead, as a summary of the article, does not require facts to be cited. Dr. K. 21:11, 7 December 2019 (UTC)

While it does not require sources, I think a source for the definition of such a complex term would be appropriate. The article you linked says: "there is not, however, an exception to citation requirements specific to leads." "Complex, current, or controversial subjects may require many citation" I believe Western culture merits the inclusion of some sources in its Lead, especially when one takes into consideration how unsourced the rest of the article is. Thank you for your response. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bhousey7785 (talkcontribs) 21:26, 7 December 2019 (UTC)

Adding four citation-needed tags in the first paragraph of the lead has the effect of destroying the lead. The facts presented don't seem unreasonable to me. Sometimes, one has to exercise discretion when tagging facts that can either be cited easily or seem obvious. I haven't checked the rest of the article to see if the facts present at the lead can be fairly summarised as they are now, but the current lead seems reasonable to me. The best course of action at this stage is to open a discussion at the article talkpage so that other wiki editors can participate there. Dr. K. 22:21, 7 December 2019 (UTC)

Mild language and competency

This is a competency issue, as pertaining to one's mastery of the English language. But the mainspace is not the place to argue this! El_C 14:47, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

No, I disagree. It is only a minor copyedit issue. SR's language in the article is actually better than many other editors, and in no way nears CIR. Dr. K. 14:51, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
Well, we can disagree. I deem it a competency issue. But you should not use the mainspace to make that argument, in any case. El_C 14:52, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
It was not the mainspace. It was the edit-summary. There is a difference. The edit-summary field is not mainspace. It is a main space adjunct. Dr. K. 14:56, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
You should not have done it. It was pointy. Also, please do not reopen archived threads at ANI — especially while this discussion remains outstanding. El_C 14:57, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
Also, you didn't merely "copyedit" — you rewrote. Which is what was needed due to the competency issues I am highlighting. El_C 15:00, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Correcting the record, especially when using CIR in the wrong manner against an editor, is not POINTY and I disagree with your closing at ANI and your revert of my note. Dr. K. 15:04, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
We can play semantics, but I mildly rewrote. Still, no CIR issue. CIR means the editor is incompetent to write, not mildly inefficient. Dr. K. 15:04, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
It was, indeed, pointy. Please do not do it again. Anyway, you may disagree with the close, but it is done. That thread is closed now. I do not deem it to be mild, I deem that addition to be suffering from competency issues (to the point of incoherence), suggestions on how to address that were provided in my closing summary. El_C 15:09, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
Again, I disagree. SR's post in the article was nowhere near incoherent or CIR, so I had to correct the record. If you disagree with me, then please ask someone else about this issue, instead of continuing this fruitless discussion on my talk. Dr. K. 15:15, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
You can disagree, but I am telling you that using the mainspace edit summary to "correct the record" was pointy and inappropriate. El_C 15:17, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for the kind words, Dr.K. Sorry, it got a bit tense. Anyway, as mentioned, I think the issue is obviously machine translation-related. That just simply did not occur to me. I thought SR was simply not putting in the same effort to their mainspace edits as they were their comments. It was quite the dissonance. Because otherwise, their English threshold seems fine. But it is what we do on the mainspace that counts. Anyway, hopefully, they follow my advise to avoid that, and instead, try to confidently write their own prose. Many thanks again. El_C 23:06, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

You are very welcome, and thank you also, El_C. I am glad we got this out of the way. Take care. Dr. K. 23:28, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

Cheers

Damon Runyon's short story "Dancing Dan's Christmas" is a fun read if you have the time. Right from the start it extols the virtues of the hot Tom and Jerry

This hot Tom and Jerry is an old-time drink that is once used by one and all in this country to celebrate Christmas with, and in fact it is once so popular that many people think Christmas is invented only to furnish an excuse for hot Tom and Jerry, although of course this is by no means true.

No matter what concoction is your favorite to imbibe during this festive season I would like to toast you with it and to thank you for all your work here at the 'pedia this past year. Best wishes for your 2020 as well Dr K. MarnetteD|Talk 23:01, 18 December 2019 (UTC)

Thank you very much Marnette for your wishes and kind words. Likewise, I thank you for your great contributions to the 'pedia, and your community spirit. This literary cocktail definitely sounds like an exquisite proposition during this wonderful season. I had no idea about the drink, but it looks delicious. I just added it to my to-do list for Christmas and New Year. Too bad I'm not in the States to taste this great piece of Americana in its proper form. Best of the Season to you Marnette, and a Happy New Year! Dr. K. 17:40, 19 December 2019 (UTC)
You are welcome Dr K and thanks for your kind wishes in return. As with most warm alcohol drinks they go down easy and 1 or 2 go a looong way :-P MarnetteD|Talk 17:57, 19 December 2019 (UTC)
You are very welcome Marnette. Thank you for the advice. It will come in handy when I try this very tempting cocktail. :) Dr. K. 18:43, 19 December 2019 (UTC)

Good faith edit

Hi Dr.K. FYI: For the record, I'm assuming that this edit, which you correctly reverted, was made in good faith, since 1601 has often been given as Pierre de Fermat's birth year. See my comment here, Regards Paul August 12:07, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for the message, Paul. I checked the reference at the lead and it mentioned 1607. It was a case of reference hijacking, thus the warning to the user. After I read your extensive note at the talkpage of the editor, I understand the full context of the DOB issue. I hope, after your explanation, s/he will stop adding 1601. Dr. K. 17:37, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
Let's hope. Paul August 21:09, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
Indeed. :) Happy New Year, by the way, Paul. Take care. Dr. K. 23:11, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

Today's Wikipedian 10 years ago

Awesome
Ten years!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:26, 16 January 2020 (UTC)

Thank you so much Gerda for this beautiful barnstar and elegant reminder. By the way, Happy New Year to you! It is always nice seeing you and your wisdom on my talk, and in this project. Take care. Dr. K. 18:44, 16 January 2020 (UTC)

Apology for edit war

I apologise for the edit war on Constantine IX Palaiologos I was just trying to simplify things by adding titles etc and I am a fairly new user.

Sincerely Afryingpanwithoutahandle Afryingpanwithoutahandle (talk) 05:07, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

No problem Afryingpanwithoutahandle. Thank you for your nice message. Best regards. Dr. K. 02:10, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

Your Twinkie ad

It may be intentional, but your current "ad" you set in Twinkie links to Twinkie... twice.

It looks like: "(edit summary... (TWTW))" –ToxiBoi! 02:04, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

I think I know how my twinkle contribs look like. Have you heard of Twinkle, Twinkle, Little Star? Dr. K. 02:27, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

Removal of entire Theodoros Pangalos controversy section that stood for 10 years fully referenced

The section was built over decade and survived intact. Every point was referenced. Future Perfect at Sunrise made his first and only edit to the page completely removing the controversy section and issued me a warning on my talk page that if ever I added to a similar referenced section I could receive a ban! There was no talk page discussion on the removal, no debate - just the entire section that stood and was added to for 10 years removed in an instant.

https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Theodoros_Pangalos_(politician)&dir=prev&offset=20150616193928&action=history

https://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:Reaper7#January_2020

Is there anyway you can help put back this section, I noticed you also helped maintain this section over the years. It was well referenced (mainstream Greek media outlets) and hugely useful to the reader. There was no POV, it was not poorly referenced and every instance described took place - this is a massive loss to the page. Reaper7 (talk) 02:47, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

Hi Reaper7. I haven't looked into this very closely, but there were big problems with the now removed section. I noticed there were conclusions and comparisons made about and between Pangalos's statements that were not included in the sources and the tone of some of the prose was not encyclopedic. Also the section heading is "Controversy", although they are not controversies per se, but Pangalos's statements, which may be controversial, but they may not have created any significant controversies worthy of inclusion in the article. I am sure there are controversies involving the politician. If you want to include them in the article, do so only for the big ones and with good sources. Do not connect statements on your own, as this may become OR or POV. As far as the warning you got, I'm not sure why you got it, since your recent addition to the article is innocuous and does not warrant the severe warning you got. Checking through the history of the article, I saw that you created some of the material of the section back in 2011, but these edits are way too old to warrant reviving such a strong warning which should have been given in 2011, if at all. Chalk this up to heavy-handed tactics. Conclusion, make a sandbox with the material you wish to add, make sure the sources are good and they describe it as a big controversy, ask me before you add it to the article, and you should be fine. Do not, under any circumstances, draw your own conclusions or use tabloid language such as "he got caught doing this or that". Dr. K. 03:49, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
Thank you for researching what actually happened. Not only did I not create the section, the part I added was simply when Pangalos apparently called Greeks lazy - stated he would sue anyone who printed it and then when a Turkish journalist stated he had the recording, all court matters ceased - and that was back in 2011 I added that! People have added all sorts since then - 1 or 2 stories not sourced or their sources were removed for unknown reasons over the decade that make up the article but for my money, most of it was from reliable sources like To Vima for example. So it was strange when at the beginning of my warning he stated I had used poorly sourced material? There is enough material there to create a section on what at least by Greece's standards, things he stated that were controversial, but nothing on the scale of the controversies section of former president Lula for example, https://en.wikipedia.org/Luiz_In%C3%A1cio_Lula_da_Silva#Corruption_scandals_and_controversy. I will move forward with your suggestion and rebuild the section using the methodology you proposed. Thanks again and thanks for helping alleviate the obvious discomfort this warning gave me. Reaper7 (talk) 12:32, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
You are welcome Reaper7. I agree that Vima is a reliable source. But the way the whole section was written it was tainted with editorialising statements such as Theodoros Pangalos had, in sharp contrast to his later statements,..., Yet in 2010, he angered Greeks when, responding to claims that the misappropriation of state funds had led to the country's insolvency, he spoke out in favor of austerity measures..., His year then further deteroriated when he was caught stating..., Pangalos as a result went quiet.., In 2014, Pangalos insulted ... (italics indicate the editorialising). These statements do not appear to me to be part of the reliable sources. They appear to be connections or conclusions made by editors. As such they are WP:SYNTH. SYNTH and WP:BLP do not mix well. So, let the facts speak for themselves, without adding any editorialising of any kind. There is enough material for this politician to be added to the article but because there is so much we have to add the most important and representative samples backed by the best of sources and do that in a completely impassive and neutral manner as befits an encyclopedia. As far as over-the-top warnings, they are not good. But if they are not frequent, just ignore them. Anyway, let me know when you think the material may be ready for prime time. Dr. K. 16:59, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
Will do!! Reaper7 (talk) 21:48, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
Cleaned up the Pangalos page as promised. I removed all editorialising and even referenced sections altogether. Let me know what you think: https://en.wikipedia.org/User:Reaper7/sandbox I am too afraid to publish it myself for obvious reasons as stated above. Reaper7 (talk) 18:30, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
Hi Reaper. Sorry to disappoint you, but I copyedited your sandbox and removed most of the entries. In the history you can see my comments. The sentence I left is not fit to be in the article imo, since it is unclear from the citations whom Pangalos was insulting, and the incident does not appear important enough to me to warrant inclusion, even if the semantics were fixed. Dr. K. 00:50, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
Indeed very very disappointing and appears a little disproportionate, but understandable considering the political climate and the editor who was unhappy to begin with. A few comments. The section where Pangalos stated the Syriza politician had a filthy face and should be in a bikini. You were unhappy with the inclusion of this because of the use of the word 'insulted' which was not in the citation. Surely just remove the word insulted and it is acceptable? - not sure why the whole section had to be removed, it is certainly controversial and quite absurd and notable. Second point. You said there is no mention of litigation concerning Pangalos. The second citation does talk about the threat of Pangalos to sue the paper: Pangalos also said he would sue the Eleftheros Typos. So just drop the 'dropped litigation' part and I don't see it as inappropriate. So instead of deleting the entire section it could have easily be cleared up if the will was there to reflect the sources and even find new ones (I am not a Greek speaker). Third point. where he was supposed to be promoting Greek banks investing in Turkey - completely removed because of OR. Would this not be remedied if we removed the word supposed? Fourth point. Entire Beijing comment section removed because of OR and dead citation. Again, is this not the incident? (found it on a quick google search) I think the section is workable. I think if you are willing to actually help we can remodel it together, however I am not a Greek speaker. I don't think it is much work on your part to make the section work if you really wanted to do it. However, I fully respect your decision and to be honest - I am still frightened from the warning I received considering I had very little to do with this section in the first place - so I am willing to appease the editor who warned me and drop it if you are not interested.Reaper7 (talk) 14:01, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
Reaper I understand your point. I also see that you understood the editing problems associated with the sections I removed. Yes, I was in a bit of a hurry when removing these sections so that I could highlight their problems, and perhaps, if reworked, some of them could go in the article in a modified form or another. But, on balance, I'm still not sure if they are DUEWEIGHT and if they are not BLP violations even if they are improved. The usual suspect is not a bad editor overall, despite our disagreements in the past. Therefore, at first glance, I tend to broadly agree with his assessment of that section, minus the ugly warning he gave you. Dr. K. 19:59, 26 April 2020 (UTC)

References

  1. https://www.kathimerini.gr/398754/article/epikairothta/politikh/ti-kanei-e3allo-ton-pagkalo

Sorry for overstepping

Will try to be more cognizant of that in the future. Best, El_C 21:27, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

Hi El C. No need to apologise. I apologise, in turn, if my comment implied in any way that you overstepped, but I had no such intention. I did not take any offence from it in any way. It was just a minor gripe on my part, that, on retrospect, I should not have aired. In fact, I reiterate, that normally I don't participate on talkpages with DS sanctions and admin warnings, but I participate on that talkpage because I have always respected you as a content-aware admin, and I feel your presence is very much needed there. Dr. K. 22:32, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
Thanks yet again, Dr.K. As mentioned on the article talk page, if you find that my services are needed, please don't hesitate. Best, El_C 22:35, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
Definitely, I will take you up on your offer, El C. However, and this is meant very seriously, please do keep an eye on that talk and intervene whenever you deem it necessary. Take care. Dr. K. 22:41, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

Probs better here

I meant what I said on the talk page. I do respect you. I'm sorry if I come off as condescending. I have maybe tried too hard to convince you of my good faith. It is very hard to come off the right way on a minefield with limited time to post. Maybe that was not productive. Discord between certain editors involving myself has gotten to the point where it disrupts the normal editing process, and realistically it can never go away, but I would like to contain it to some degree -- so that is why I am saying this. You have done things I disagree with. Sometimes vehemently. I don't harbour dislike for you as an individual, nor do I think I am some voice of righteousness that you need to hear, or whatever. You are fine to think whatever you want of me. But it is a problem for everyone else if we have unnecessary disputes and clog talk pages, especially on major topics. --Calthinus (talk) 18:10, 13 March 2020 (UTC)

And re "do not obstruct" -- that is not a comment on your motives, it is a comment on the effects. The effect is that after much text spent on a talk page, a single sentence has not been added to the mainspace. To be clear.--Calthinus (talk) 18:12, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
Calthinus, it doesn't make a difference. It is a matter of OR imo. Small sentence or big it doesn't mater. There is no justification for adding a precautionary note unrelated by RS to the context of the religious debate section of the article. And there is no obstruction in not allowing OR, big or small, enter any article. Next time, another editor will come in and add details about the antiviral properties of gold. And another will add another little OR on how miracles save you from viruses. A domino effect of little OR rebuttals festering inside the article. Not my cup of wiki tea. Not by any measure. Got to go now. Dr. K. 18:23, 13 March 2020 (UTC)

The 100 DYK Creation and Expansion Medal

The 100 DYK Creation and Expansion Medal
Long overdue! --evrik  03:27, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
Dear evrik, what a welcome surprise, especially in such rather bleak times. The wiki works in mysterious ways. After such a long time, instead of my DYK contributions being forgotten, I get such a nice award for them. I hope you and yours keep well and stay safe. Take care. Dr. K. 04:19, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

Dispute resolution

I left you a message on El C's talkpage. Maybe it got lost in the rapid sequence of messaging there. Do you think you could list the instances and sources you consider POV and why you consider them so on the talkpage?--Maleschreiber (talk) 21:01, 26 April 2020 (UTC)

In no time have I said the sources are POV, although some may be. I have already stated that my tags sqeak for themselves. If a tag indicates improper synthesis then one should go to the source, check what the source actually says and remove the SYNTH. Same goes for the rest of the tags. Dr. K. 21:53, 26 April 2020 (UTC)

Genocide of Serbs

Dear Dr.K., I hope you're doing well these days. I've noticed your contributions to the genocide articles. There is some kind of edit war in the Genocide of Serbs in the Independent State of Croatia article. There is also an ongoing debate about the lead and Background section, the chronological order of events, broader context etc. If you have the time, I would like you to look at the situation and try to give your opinion, as a kind of neutral side. It would mean a lot to calm a tense situation, and the topic is extremely significant. I'm sure you can help. All the best.--WEBDuB (talk) 11:34, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

Barnstar!

The Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
Well that was quite the revert battle! I couldnt even get a button push in before you'd already reverted every time! Great Job! Bailo26 23:26, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
Thank you so much Bailo26 for the great looking award and your nice words. All in a day of reverting the scourge of vandalism and cleaning up BLP violations. Take care and stay safe. Dr. K. 00:43, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

Double warning?

Hi Dr.K., I saw that you left a "disruptive editing" warning at User talk:Kelpo11, but I had already left them a warning for the same edit, and they had stopped editing after that. I thought you might like to remove the double warning, so as not to "bite the newcomer"... the edits seem to be in good faith, just unaware of MOS:FORLANG. If they continue after this, then another warning would be in order. Thanks... --IamNotU (talk) 01:37, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

Nothing to do with biting anyone (AGF on that ugly accusation). This guy went on a rampage of typical nationalist editing and POV-pushing, rapidly adding Turkish names to a score of articles. If you think he merited only your warning, well, I disagree. Dr. K. 01:43, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
Ok, I did not expect that response! Ugly accusation? My experience with you in the past is that you're a reasonable person, I certainly didn't mean to accuse you of anything. I thought maybe you hadn't noticed that I had already given a warning, and I was concerned that it might be a bit much for them to receive two warning templates for the same edits, as we don't normally do that. Looking at it again, I see that you actually jumped straight to a level-3 disruption template. That seems unusual.
The account is only a couple of weeks old, and hasn't made that many edits. I see people all the time mass-adding translated names, because they somehow got it into their heads that it would be helpful. Once, someone started adding links to the Arabic Misplaced Pages in the first sentence of every article they came across; when I explained that they shouldn't, they were apologetic and stopped right away. It's true that this user rapidly added Turkish names to twenty articles in a row, but nobody told them they shouldn't. I did consider that it might be a rampage of nationalist editing and Turkish POV pushing, which I'm quite familiar with, having reverted many hundreds of Shingling334 sock edits of exactly that nature. But their previous edits, apart from adding Turkish names of things, seemed to be fairly innocuous and even helpful edits about food and links to musicians. Part of AGF is employing Hanlon's razor: "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity". But maybe you saw something I missed. Probably I didn't look closely enough at the flag stuff.
In any case, I thought it best to start out with a level-1 Manual of Style warning, and see how they reacted. My experience, and advice I've received from admins, especially Oshwah, is that when dealing with potential problem-users, being extra polite and giving them the benefit of every doubt works best. Sometimes they will respond positively to that. If not, when it comes time to take them to ANI, the record speaks for itself - they were treated more than fairly, and still acted like an ass. You can leave your template there if you like, it doesn't bother me, and I won't bother you about it anymore, but that's how I'm going to play it.
Their continued editing today suggests that they didn't get the message, and probably you're not wrong about them. It's a bit hard be credible about the MOS:FORLANG rule when you see an article like Turkic Council that already had seven foreign-language terms in the first sentence though. Nevertheless, I've left more warnings, probably not the last... --IamNotU (talk) 14:13, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

You're not really offended, are you?

C'mon, where's that fun Dr. K we all know and love? EEng 18:00, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

Lol, no, EEng. It was funny, and it bears your unmistakable stamp of irreverent humour. I'm sure you know that I enjoy and understand it. But does this latest creation really need to stay on that space forever? On that front, I would say no. Dr. K. 18:52, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
Believe it or not I actually meant for it to remain, to assist in those frequent moments when you're not sure which of two or three half-remembered colleagues someone is. Mandruss, Mandarax, John, Johnbod, Johnuniq, John from Idegon. I going to use that template that gives all of each user's links -- contribs, user page, talk -- so you can remember if your being addressed by the nice guy you remember or that other guy the jackass. Personally I would find this very handy since as things stand I'm forced to apply the precautionary principle and be nice when in doubt, which I detest. Would you prefer I recreated it without featuring your name? We could call it editors with confusingly similar names (like DrKay and someone else we won't mention). EEng 21:42, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
EEng, all these editors you mentioned are fine, upstanding people. If you need a list that includes jackasses, these are the wrong usernames to bring up as examples. Dr. K. 23:24, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
To my horror I can see how the list of example names might be interpreted as a prelude to that particular use case, which was not the intent. I often confuse perfectly nice editors too. So we cool on recreation? EEng 23:51, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
EEng, thank you for the courtesy of asking. However, I think that, apart from a temporary joke creation during an ANI thread, this list serves no encyclopedic purpose. If you like it so much, you can put it in your userspace. Having it on Misplaced Pages space is unnecessary. Dr. K. 10:38, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
I thought you'd like to know that you're now listed at Misplaced Pages:Editors who may be confused. Now before you get upset, it was Ritchie333 who recreated the page; I just came up with the name. EEng 04:54, 7 June 2020 (UTC)

I would like to ask for your assistance.

@Dr.K.: I am not really familiar with Misplaced Pages. I have made above 100 edits (can't recall), but still a lot to learn. I have been trying to add information about the Aromanian (Vlach) origin of the Bua tribe/family in the respective page, Bua (tribe), but a member called Βατο, along with Alcaios (who seems to be his close buddy) have criticized and taken out the references multiple times now, even though there are well-known sources. Not even a mention of it, despite the fact of having many sources. Also, go read the talk page (old posts) of the article, that corroborates with additional sources the origin of the tribe as Aromanians. Can you help me with this? Can i report him/her (Βατο) somewhere? I only ask you because i went to the talk page of Βατο, and specifically in the history of it (since he has deleted your conversation), and i saw you also had problems with him recently. Demetrios1993 (talk) 03:22, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi there, I looked at your sources, and three of them appear to meet the bar, so I have re-instated the material. The other two sources appear somewhat outdated. In general, it is best to stick to modern sources (e.g. post 1960), see WP:AGEMATTERS. For any questions you may have, feel free to ask me or Dr. K. Khirurg (talk) 16:43, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
@Dr.K.: Thanks a lot Dr. K. I never received a notification of your reply. I just saw the edit history. Wow, so much back and forth these last days. These aforementioned people really have a problem with other views. Glad you helped. Would it be possible to add an Aromanian category at the bottom or this article, or is this not acceptable? I would also like to ask you one more thing. There used to be a vandalism on the article of Greek actress Irene Papas, where some Albanians had written a false Albanian origin of the actress based on an Albanian article from an Albanian website that had no citations. Bear in mind that the same website claimed that George Washington was Albanian, so go figure. I have for months now sorted out all of the respective articles for different languages (not all had it, but 5-6 did if i recall correctly, including the English one), except the Ukrainian (Ірині Паппа) where my edit is pending since the 10th of December 2019. I unfortunately don't have pending changes reviewer status, hence why i ask for your assistance. Demetrios1993 (talk) 12:00, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
@Dr.K.: Hello again Dr. K. I would greatly appreciate if you went and sorted my aforementioned pending edit on the Ukrainian article of Irene Papas. I can go and ask others, but if you have "Misplaced Pages:Reviewing pending changes" status it can also be done by you. Again, it is pending since the 10th of December, 2019. I didn't write anything new. I had only edited out the aforementioned vandalism. Demetrios1993 (talk) 12:49, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
Hi Demetrios1993. Sorry for the delay in replying, but on the Ukrainian wiki I have no reviewer rights so I cannot approve any changes. Perhaps, you can ask a Ukrainian admin to review and accept your edit. Best regards. Dr. K. 15:21, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
@Dr.K.: It's ok Dr. K. I understand. I only asked because i thought the reviewer rights were universal for all Wiki. Do you have the right to sort the change of the name i suggested in the following image, https://en.wikipedia.org/File:Ethnic_map_of_Balkans_-_german_1882.jpg. I have already sorted out the description and date of the Summary box. Only the title remains. The correct date is 1776 as it says on the map, but it has written 1882 on the title instead. Demetrios1993 (talk) 15:47, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

Y U NO ADMIN?

Not taking the plunge

14 years, 109,000 edits and only one valid bloc, 12 years ago. Surely somebody must have offered to nominate you? Guy (help!) 15:46, 2 June 2020 (UTC)

Don't do it! It's a trap! EEng 17:20, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
EEng, fair Guy (help!) 22:02, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
Gentlemen, thank you both for your confidence in me and your advice. Guy, yes, I have gotten a few offers over the years, but I guess I did not take the plunge. :) By the way, the block I got was for reverting an IP which was adding "Jasper" as a Greek name, at Greek name back in 2008. Dr. K. 02:28, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

Sorry mister, but you are confusing the source video "Accepting a source where an unknown guy appears behind a moving flat mask and presents a skewed version of the story, is out of the question on many levels" --Iamhereforthestory (talk) 15:53, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

Cyprus

I think this place is a 💕. How do you hope to explain the problems on the island of Cyprus without giving the connection to TRNC? --Mühendis ve bilim insanı yazarı kişi (talk) 03:59, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

In addition, the information I added was selected from the TRNC page of Misplaced Pages. This informations was not received from an external source.--Mühendis ve bilim insanı yazarı kişi (talk) 04:06, 12 June 2020 (UTC)


That's why we have a separate article on TRNC, so we don't have to copy and paste from one article to other, which is a a violation of GFDL without attribution, as you did. TRNC and the Cyprus problem is already mentioned extensively in the article. I see you are edit-warring as we speak. You will be reported if you continue. Dr. K. 04:13, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

The name of the TRNC is stated in only one line and there is no connection. I already knew that this place is not a 💕, you didn't surprise me. --Mühendis ve bilim insanı yazarı kişi (talk) 04:22, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

You can leave your attacks out of my talkpage. I assume you know how to search using CTRL F. The name TRNC is found 26 times on that page. Dr. K. 04:25, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

Working on the Devshirme article

May be up your street, less dangerous than the Pangalos article but it seems the article is going through an interesting period. Have a look if you time on the Talk page there. Reaper7 (talk) 21:02, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

AGF

I am a veteran editor and I really did not appreciate this comment, especially the inflammatory adjective "hijack" used at the talk page and the edit summary of . I responded here. I don't see any more need to discuss. I just feel there was way more negativity than was necessary. --David Tornheim (talk) 19:00, 26 June 2020 (UTC)

I replied at talk Engineering regarding AGF and inflammatory comments. Dr. K. 22:39, 26 June 2020 (UTC)

COVID-19 pandemic in France

Ill guess we yust do the I part of WP:RBI now. This is going already over one history page. I have reported them to ANI now, hopefully an admin sets an end to this soon. @Nkon21: For your awareness. Victor Schmidt (talk) 08:16, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

Please do not interfere with vandalism fighting by inventing new rules. There are no such exemptions and RBI is used for avoiding SPIs not for avoiding reverting vandalism by socks. Dr. K. 08:23, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

Your recent comment

Regarding this comment. If an editor constantly engages in 'maxing out 3RR' there ought to be more specific data about their unwillingness to go through normal dispute resolution. The current AN3 report seems likely to be closed as No action. It has become bloated beyond all recognition, and even if it were at ANI, would probably have trouble getting any admins to pay attention. If there is a true problem here that is solvable, the complaint would need to be restarted from scratch with better data; perhaps at some other board. Which might not be easy. EdJohnston (talk) 16:29, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Thank you Ed for your analysis and advice. I agree. In any case, I hope the reported editor, given also his final comment at 3RRN, realises that this is not a sustainable way of editing. All the best. Dr. K. 11:51, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

Reliable source?

Could you tell me whether this website can be considered a reliable source? An editor, Pablo1355, is using this as a source. Thank you sir. --Kansas Bear (talk) 02:00, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

Hi Kansas Bear. Sorry for the delayed response, but I am really busy IRL lately. Good kind of busy, but nonetheless. I hope everything is well with you and yours. The source you showed me is not RS. It is, at best, very sketchy. I hope this editor stops this POV-pushing, otherwise a report may have to filed. Take care. Dr. K. 17:38, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
Thanks Dr.K.! No need for the apology, I am still trying to unpack from the move to Lawrence. So I completely understand. My children and grandchildren are doing well. Hope you and yours are safe and healthy. Thanks again. --Kansas Bear (talk) 18:17, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
You are very welcome KB and thank you for your nice message. It is always a pleasure talking to you. My family is doing great, thankfully. Nice to hear everyone is well in your family also. Take care. Dr. K. 19:52, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

Precious anniversary

Precious
Seven years!
--Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:51, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
My dear Gerda, thank you for this perennial and always elegant gesture. Take care and stay safe. Dr. K. 04:39, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

Parga

It appears that there was a coordinated attempt there (multiple drive-by accounts, reverting without slightest comment in tp) by a small number of editors. This has been turned into a report against me here: ].Alexikoua (talk) 23:51, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

Article needs improvement

Hi, do you think that could improve this article Aristidis Moschos just like you improved Pavlos Kouroupis. How it managed to survive AFD kind of surprises me. Davidgoodheart (talk) 01:34, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

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Requesting your visit to Draft:Intellectual discourse over re-mosqueing of Hagia Sophia and article expansion help if you find your interest in the topic.

Thanks and warm regards

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Perceived opponents

Hi Dr.K. Upon taking a deep breath, I wanted to write to you through here regarding the latest exchange at Talk:Pushbacks in Greece. I don't want the aside to derail the bulk of the discussion there and if you see further problems with the tone as is, I will make adjustments. You are a user whose input I value very much, though we might have our disagreements. We have both been around and active on the same articles for a long time, powering through the eternal source of grinding teeth and sockfarms that is the Greco-Turkish matters. I do hope that you will be able to see why some of the comments on that talk page are quite disheartening from where I stand. --GGT (talk) 02:16, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

Hi GGT. Thank you for your kind comments. Although we have disagreed many times, I value your opinion, your contributions, and your ideas. I also respect you greatly. Your reaction just reinforces my respect for you. Sorry if my comments were undiplomatic to you. I will strike them. Take care. Dr. K. 02:33, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
I believe that reflection is the source of the most valuable learning, and we do have a lot to learn from one another. Thank you very much for your kind response, and I hope that all is otherwise well with you. All the best. —GGT (talk) 02:40, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
You are very welcome, GGT. I fully agree with your sage comments. I am very well, thank you. I hope you are well also. I also hope to see you around for a long time. Take care. Dr. K. 02:53, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

G-Aerosports

Hello. I wanted to ask you to check, if you could, the discussion for deletion of G-Aerosports - reminiscent of a similar discussion regarding Petropoulos. It had been deleted in the past ("notability" problems), but I uploaded it again, since it has introduced new models and has an agreement for production under license in Canada (a similar agreement under way for production in Australia). Once more, truly appreciating your assistance. Best Regards, Skartsis (talk) 10:57, 23 May 2022 (UTC)

I'm on it. Ευχαριστώ κε. Σκαρτση. Dr. K. 21:34, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
Εξαιρετική η στάση σας. Για μια ακόμα φορά υπόχρεος...Skartsis (talk) 05:58, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
Ευχαριστησις μου. Ήταν το λιγότερο που μπορούσα να κανω. Εαν με χρειαστείτε στο μέλλον, μη διστασετε να επικοινωνήσετε μαζί μου. Ναστε καλά και να συνεχισετε τις αξιόλογες προσφορές σας στην Misplaced Pages που εκτιμούνται ιδιαιτέρως. Dr. K. 07:23, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
Να 'στε καλά. Είδα και τις βελτιώσεις στο άρθρο, και τη νέα συζήτηση, κάνατε ήδη πολλά, και είμαι υπόχρεος. Φαίνεται ότι κάποιοι έχουν "πεισμώσει" - κρίμα, κρίμα για κάτι τόσο σημαντικό όπως η Misplaced Pages. Και πάλι ευχαριστώ θερμά.Skartsis (talk) 11:51, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
Σας ευχαριστώ για τα καλα σας λογια. Ηταν ευχαριστηση μου. Μην αποθαρρυνεσθε. Νομίζω οτι το αρθρο εχει πολυ καλες πηγες και θα διατηρηθεί. Dr. K. 21:38, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
Και πάλι θέλω να ευχαριστήσω για την προσπάθεια. Τους πέρασε, κακή στιγμή επίδειξης δυνατοτήτων αυθαιρεσίας απο editors...Θα το επιχειρήσουμε ξανά, με καλύτερα δεδομένα.Skartsis (talk) 15:07, 14 June 2022 (UTC)

Kudos, and comment

I very much appreciate your efforts here, and your good humour. With regard to your opening, unique article tag, I would just say this (as an academic, and longtime editor of very complex documents). In any long term article editing system involving multiple contributors, there is a means by which earlier working editors make clear to those following on, where the work has left off, and what the focal points might be for next editing efforts. Now, if you will grant that many articles at WP have far to go before being GA (and in many cases far to go even before complying with basic requirements like WP:VERIFY), then it stands to reason that there will be long work efforts that cannot be completed in a single session. That means, an article being left should contain indications of where critical editing has left off.

In the meantime, what is the service that is due the next intervening reader? In our case (unlike preparing a book for publication, or an FDA NDA for submission), in the mean time, individuals will be turning to the document for information. And if that information is at all suspect, it again stands to reason, that if we hold our readers in regard, we owe it to them to leave in place indications that particular aspects of the article are suspect.

In these ways, I believe (argue here) that the editor that does whatever they can to improve the article on which they are working, but then leaves it with strong, clear indications where shortcomings remain — such editors are doing both readers and follow-on editors the greatest service (just as they are in my team document production and publication efforts). It is only if one has a low view of the encyclopedia, ones fellow editors, or at WP, ones readers, that the need to clearly indicate shortcomings and remaining work can be ignored. With regard, a professor. 2601:246:C700:558:34EC:1C9C:D792:B879 (talk) 18:48, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

Thank you, Anon, for your kind comments. You make some good points. I don't doubt that there are many well-meaning editors who tag articles for good reason. However, IMO, there should be some balance between tagging and referencing articles. If one spends all their time tagging articles, they may not develop the skills necessary to contribute in a well-rounded way to the 'pedia. But, I respect your well-made comments. Take care. Dr. K. 21:32, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

G-Aerosports Archon

Θα συνεχίσω να προσπαθώ. Εφόσον είχαν τονίσει με τόση έμφαση ότι η τεκμηρίωση ίσχυε για το μοντέλο και όχι για την εταιρία. Και πάλι ευχαριστώ θερμά. Skartsis (talk) 07:01, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

Hey doc!

Long time no chat. Was wanting your insight about this source:

For the Legacy section of Battle of Thermopylae. WP:RS?

Thanks. Kansas Bear (talk) 16:35, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

Hi KB. Yes, long time, no see. Such are the times.😊 It is always very nice talking to you. As far as this author, he looks to me as having an activist viewpoint with a POV on criticising the colonialist past of the West and using this criticism to reinterpret seminal events of the Western world such as the battle of Thermopylae. I wouldn't include such revisionist activism in that section. Btw, I apologise for the delay in responding but I don't visit here often, especially in the summer. Take care. Dr. K. 17:43, 16 August 2022 (UTC)
It is all good Doc. During the summer here in Kansas I prefer the indoors. I am in no way a warm weather person. The discussion worked itself out, I guess. I was not involved but I was very curious as to the historiographical context. Take care where you are. Kansas Bear (talk) 20:36, 16 August 2022 (UTC)
Thank you KB. I always try to take advantage of the summer because I am a big water fun. :) I like winter too, but up to a point. I saw the discussion. It appears quiet for now. I'm surprised somehow because I know the editor who supports inclusion of the source and I think he's very reasonable and I respect him/her. But, I guess, we can't agree on everything. :) Take care and keep well, my friend.Dr. K. 18:33, 18 August 2022 (UTC)

Precious anniversary

Precious
Nine years!

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Hi Gerda. Sorry for the delay in replying, but you may have noticed that I'm not as active as I used to be. :) Thank you very much for your precious and elegant gift which I will treasure, as always. You are a wonderful and tireless wiki-institution. Your presence here will always be welcome and appreciated. Take care. Dr. K. 01:45, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

Stoping by to say hello

Greetings Dr.K. I hope this message finds you happy and well. By my manner of reckoning, it's been too long since our paths last crossed. Clearly: association among family and friends should not be left solely to chance. In case you weren't aware, I'd like to tell you, as well: Misplaced Pages is diminished a bit when you are not active and my watchlist, less of joy to refresh. And while I fully respect the honorific title you've earned, I want you to know that you'll always be special to me. Sincerely.--John Cline (talk) 09:52, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

Hi John. What a nice surprise! Thank you so much for your kind words. It is true, we haven't spoken for a very long time. But it is ironic, my long absence from wiki became the cause of us connecting again. It reminds me of the ancient Greek saying that no bad thing is completely bad. :) I've known you for a very long time and I consider you a friend and one of the best people I have met in this place. Take care and keep up your great work here. Dr. K. 02:06, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

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Ten years ago, you were found precious. That's what you are, always. - Thank you also for all the inspiring responses that I just read again with delight! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:23, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

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NU'EST

I'd like to inform you that your actions could constitute edit warring, as you are the reverter of my edits. The information is relevant, as despite being disbanded, their profile remains on the label's page. ValenciaThunderbolt (talk) 11:17, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

No. See WP:BURDEN. As explained in my edit-summary, your edit has problems regarding its suitability for the lead of the article. It also fails WP:OR. Any time you use a preposition like "despite", you are engaging in original research. In any case, this discussion should move to the talk of the article. I have also informed a K-pop expert and admin about this dispute. Dr. K. 11:52, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

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