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| I know you assert you have no COI, but that is troublesome view. Your livelihood depends at least in part on the acceptance of acupuncture, so adding content to the article which gives the appearance of validity is absolutely a conflict of interest. You have a vested interest in the content of the article, in a way a medical doctor would not. A doctor generally has no especial interest in whether treatment A or treatment B works, as long as she can choose either, so has no direct dependence on the validity of treatment A when writing about it. A provider of any specific alt-med treatment, by contrast, absolutely does have a vested financial interest in the content of the article. <b>]</b> <small>(])</small> 10:43, 10 December 2018 (UTC) | |||
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| :: Regardless, you have a vested interest in the legitimacy of acupuncture whic goes against the trajectory of evidence, so, regardless of any consensus re editing the article at all, you should not edit content relating to legitimacy. <b>]</b> <small>(])</small> 12:26, 10 December 2018 (UTC) | |||
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| :::: Because ] is pretty explicit: you should not edit where you have a direct vested interest in the content. Your livelihood literally depends on downplaying the fact that acupuncture is superstitious nonsense. <b>]</b> <small>(])</small> 00:19, 11 December 2018 (UTC) | |||
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| ::Please work from edit summaries for anything remotely related to acupuncture. | |||
| ::If you make any further controversial edits to any acupuncture-related articles, I think a ban is in order. A wider ban may be warranted. --] (]) 23:46, 4 January 2019 (UTC) | |||
| :::If I "have a definite COI", why is that obvious only to a minority of respondents at the ] and, so far, the ]? --] <small>(] • ] | ] • ])</small> 00:09, 5 January 2019 (UTC) | |||
| ::::You aren't all alt med practitioners. --] (]) 00:15, 5 January 2019 (UTC) | |||
| :::::Well, we're even, because I'm not catching any logic in that reply either. In any case, the fact remains: your position is not "obvious" to a majority, most of whom are not (or cannot reasonably be claimed to be, based on evidence) CAM practitioners or pro-CAM partisans. --] <small>(] • ] | ] • ])</small> 00:36, 5 January 2019 (UTC); <small>add to cmt 00:39, 5 January 2019 (UTC), 00:40, 5 January 2019 (UTC)</small> | |||
| ::::::But that's part of the problem. You fail to see far too much to be able to edit the topic in a way that doesn't violate COI and related policy. --] (]) 00:50, 5 January 2019 (UTC) | |||
| :::::::Recent diffs? --] <small>(] • ] | ] • ])</small> 01:11, 5 January 2019 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::::Pretty much everything here. It's all IDHT while avoiding personal responsibility. Please just use edit requests, and listen to others rather than arguing. If you honestly don't understand something, ask questions and demonstrate interest in perspectives other than your own. --] (]) 02:24, 5 January 2019 (UTC) | |||
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| :@ ]: You're referring to . I certainly didn't mean to imply that you commented after my final comment. Nor, FWIW, did I believe I was collapsing the text over anyone's objections, since I was changing my mind and conceding your point. No disingenuousness intended whatsoever -- I do not play such games -- just trying to thread it readably (and I thought the dates and my comment being right at the top of the collapsed section made it obvious). Anyway, more than fine to put the comment in chron order. You're also of course free to de-collapse it as well, although I don't think it adds anything useful to the page at all. I regret my role in this mini-drama, and again, my edit wasn't meant to cast your edits in a bad light at all, and I hope nobody took them that way. | |||
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| :::]: Please ask the sysop, thanks. I assume it was a redirect, but to what? This is weird. --] <small>(])] • ]</small> 08:36, 17 June 2019 (UTC) | |||
| :::It wasn’t a redirect. It was a in-progress article about an Indian guy. Eh, weird. i agree with you. <span class="nowrap"><span style="border:2px solid; font-family:Trebuchet MS;"><span style="background:#EE0000">] ==(</span>)== ]</span></span> 09:01, 17 June 2019 (UTC) | |||
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| ::::Obviously shouldn't be in Misplaced Pages space anyway. Entire content was ''AYUSH Kumar Singh born (24 September 2006) is an Indian actor. One of the country's highest-paid celebrities''. {{u|Middle 8}}, you created it with the content ''<nowiki>#REDIRECT ]</nowiki>'' in May 2014, but about 20 subsequent editors since ] - ] 09:12, 17 June 2019 (UTC) | |||
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- Fine by me, Liz. FWIW, although I created the article, it was not as a draft (I think it might've been a redirect here). It was significantly changed by other editors, thereby bringing about the current situation. They're the ones who would benefit from the above message, FWIW -- it does no good here (but no harm either, of course; no worries). Kudos for helping maintain WP, and happy editing! --Middle 8 (s)talk • privacy 08:36, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
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