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I know you assert you have no COI, but that is troublesome view. Your livelihood depends at least in part on the acceptance of acupuncture, so adding content to the article which gives the appearance of validity is absolutely a conflict of interest. You have a vested interest in the content of the article, in a way a medical doctor would not. A doctor generally has no especial interest in whether treatment A or treatment B works, as long as she can choose either, so has no direct dependence on the validity of treatment A when writing about it. A provider of any specific alt-med treatment, by contrast, absolutely does have a vested financial interest in the content of the article. <b>]</b> <small>(])</small> 10:43, 10 December 2018 (UTC) | |||
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:::::Well, we're even, because I'm not catching any logic in that reply either. In any case, the fact remains: your position is not "obvious" to a majority, most of whom are not (or cannot reasonably be claimed to be, based on evidence) CAM practitioners or pro-CAM partisans. --] <small>(] • ] | ] • ])</small> 00:36, 5 January 2019 (UTC); <small>add to cmt 00:39, 5 January 2019 (UTC), 00:40, 5 January 2019 (UTC)</small> | |||
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