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	Something is terribly wrong with the changes made now by 24.128.246.90, and they should be reverted. He destroyed all non-ascii characters (changing them into question marks), and made the first paragraph much less informative (give me a break, why not mention "Hindu" there, to explain who believes in this God? NPOV!) ]
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			== Comment ==
	As a relatively unenlightened infidel who doesn't know the language, I find the "Theological Attributes" and "Relations with other gods" sections difficult to follow. A lot of square brackets and such are giving me brainache. Perhaps the detail could be kept but rewritten for an audience not already acquainted with it? I wouldn't dare touch it myself. --]

			<s>Text necessary info to vishnu wiki page such as,
	Animesh Says: Hello friends! I was unhappy with many aspects and words chosen in description of Lord. I edited many sections, based on my readings from Vishnu Purana, Bhagwat Purana, and Ramcharitmanas. Please have a look and suggest any changes. Saying fourteen names as "important" renders other names (like Krishna and Raam) unimportant. This is not correct. Every name has its own significance and we should not undermine any names. There are other changes too where someone refers Shri as the accompaniment of God in this + outside this world. This is again incorrect. God exists and His state is unknown beyond this universe, since we can only perceive things within this universe. Also, that shakti is nothing by Maayaa since according to the creation theory in Vishnupurana (most authentic), Vishnu created Maayaa to make the world. Please endorse or comment on my changes. animesh1978 AT gmail DOT com

			By Adding, Destroyer of Evil, concept of Vishnu Avatar is protector of righteousness (good) and destroyer of u righteousness (evil) ,so it is necessary to add this word before bestower of karma.
	== Recent changes by Raj2004 ==
			Narayana Name quote name by redirect link in below before The supreme being (vaishnavism) and by removing same title name link in other names

			"Narayana" is not just another name or form of vishnu, narayana is aspect and important Epithet of vishnu deity.

			it is necessary to add this names, because Entire description scriptures information found in this Narayana wiki article.

			when i edit it, someone again reverted, it's any doubts anyone came discuss me, I answer for all debate it's necessary neutral point by good faiths or reverted my edits in vishnu wiki page history as reverted good faith .</s> <small>Blocked sock ] (]) 15:23, 28 August 2024 (UTC)</small>
	Raj2004: I'm delighted with most of the recent work you've done on this article. It's added helpful info, and it's really helped clean the article up – but I worry about possible POV in one of the changes. It's a fact that many people believe that Vishnu is an actual god, and not just an aspect of a god. You might believe that those people are wrong, but we can't say "Vishnu isn't a god" if some believe he is. I know that serious Hindu scholars often see things differently than your average Hindu in India. How can we address this? ] – ] <sup>(]) (])</sup>] 14:03, Dec 8, 2004 (UTC)

			== Durga is not the sister of Vishnu ==
	Quadel, I may have already distinguished that. Only Smartas believe that Vishnu is a personal aspect of God or one of many forms of God. Vaishnavites believe that God is only Vishnu exclusively. Also for Vishnu and Shiva, we generally don't preface with a lower case, (i.e., god); such notations are for ].
	I am not saying Vishnu isn't God. Vishnu is God. Smartas simply believe that God has many forms such as Vishnu or Shiva; Again, Vaishnavites, however believe that God is only Vishnu-Narayana.
	That is the difference.

			<s>Durga is not the sister of Vishnu, it is yogmaya who is considered the sister of Krishna. It is Meenkshi who is the sister of Aḻagar. Vishnu does not have any siblings, remove it. ] (]) 01:15, 9 August 2024 (UTC)</s> <small>Blocked sock ] (]) 15:23, 28 August 2024 (UTC)</small>
	] 16:26, 10 Dec 2004 (UTC)

			== Sockpuppet is back with another accounts ==
	Quadel, I may not have been clear so I added the following language: However, followers of Vaishnavism, unlike Smartas, do not believe that Vishnu is one of many personal forms of God or Saguna Brahman but believe Him to be the only Ultimate Reality Brahman exclusively. A Smarta, on the other hand, would consider Vishnu and Shiva to be the same but different aspects of the same Supreme Being. Thanks for your comments and help.
	] 18:09, 10 Dec 2004 (UTC)

			@] is back with two sockpuppet accounts @] and @] and is vandalising articles with his sectarian bias again. Please look into this. @] @] @] ] (]) 20:43, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
	--] 08:37, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)Bryan

			:<s>@], why you mentioned my username in this content, I can't understand, there is no relation with this @] account, he made edits on wiki pages, what he edit vandalism, I just correct it, you are confused with same letter names, What I add content in wiki based on reliable sources only. ] (]) 00:57, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
	==Changes by Animesh==
			::What's your problem. Lol ! ] (]) 02:12, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
			:::No problems, I just comment on yours user name, what you done in wiki, Don't add content without reliable source . ] (]) 02:16, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
			::::Even Misplaced Pages gave me chance for editing, buy why you pls didn't get freedom for edits, this is too much.</s> <small>Block sock ] (]) 15:23, 28 August 2024 (UTC)</small>
			::::<s>Encyclopedia is much better than Misplaced Pages. ] (]) 02:19, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
			:::::Is anyone plz block This account
			::::: @], he made vandalism on article. ] (]) 02:26, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
			::::::This account @]
			::::::Also distributed my account by same letter name.
			::::::Block this @] ] (]) 02:28, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
			:::::::what a propaganda. I added similar content, but why you deleted. Wiki users are fools and rascal. Old image for Vishnu and new good statue for Shiva.
			:::::::Politics by rascal red tiger and Chutiya Chronikiles ] (]) 02:47, 19 August 2024 (UTC)</s> <small>Block sock ] (]) 15:23, 28 August 2024 (UTC)</small>
			:Blocked Naanu neenu. ] ] 08:28, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
			::Thanks but please block @] too, both are the sockpuppets of same account @], he is trying to play smart by replying to himself with different account, look at the language used in both accounts and he is doing continuous vandalism in articles with his sectarian bias. ] (]) 11:41, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
			:::Agree, Narine naresh's recent vandalism on ] article clearly shows it. ]•<sup>]]</sup> 13:16, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
			::::<s>yes , I am Sock puppet block me.
			::::Very waste time in wiki, edit wiki like swimming pool again and again in life. ] (]) 13:24, 19 August 2024 (UTC)</s> <small>Blocked sock ] (]) 15:23, 28 August 2024 (UTC)</small>
			:::::Hey @]
			:::::<s>I kindly request you to plz block @], which revert good edits ] (]) 13:25, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
			::::::Hey you wiki user's
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			::::::Why you jealous on Lord Vishnu. ] (]) 13:27, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
			:::::::May Lord Vishnu Bless to you all
			:::::::OM Namo Narayanaya! ] (]) 13:28, 19 August 2024 (UTC)</s> <small>Block sock ] (]) 15:23, 28 August 2024 (UTC)</small>
			::::::::You and ] are blocked as socks. ] ] 14:30, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
			:Thanks. I needed something to keep me awake this afternoon! Done. ] ] 14:31, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
			:Please revert the edits by the two socks, thanks. ] ] 14:49, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

			== Infobox Image ==
	Animesh Says: Hello friends! I was unhappy with many aspects and words chosen in description of Lord. I edited many sections, based on my readings from Vishnu Purana, Bhagwat Purana, and Ramcharitmanas. Please have a look and suggest any changes. Saying fourteen names as "important" renders other names (like Krishna and Raam) unimportant. This is not correct. Every name has its own significance and we should not undermine any names. There are other changes too where someone refers Shri as the accompaniment of God in this + outside this world. This is again incorrect. God exists and His state is unknown beyond this universe, since we can only perceive things within this universe. Also, that shakti is nothing by Maayaa since according to the creation theory in Vishnupurana (most authentic), Vishnu created Maayaa to make the world. Please endorse or comment on my changes. animesh1978 AT gmail DOT com

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	Hi, Animesh I agree with your changes such as this:
			Although suggested by another sockpuppet, it seems he has suggested a good image of the deity with good composition, attributes and most importantly proper copyright info. One thing that can be noted that it depicts the god in his region form ], but hardly any major difference between the 2 forms is present. ]<sup>]]</sup> 19:10, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
	"Note that even though Vishnu is portrayed with human features, the purana state that Vishnu pervades everything and is not anthropomorphic. Attributing anthrompormorphic characteristics to Vishnu is a common misconception held by non-Hindus. Vishnu has no particular material form but can manifest in any form, and is a center of all the forces, power, will, auspiciousness, goodness, beauty, grace, responsiveness, etc. In short, whatever we can think of, and whatever we cannot think of -- all are Vishnu." Yes, and thanks for editing but I think my original writing was edited by others:
	This is what I originally wrote:
	Note that while Vishnu is commonly portrayed with human features, Swami Tapasyananda, in his book, Bhakti Schools of Vedanta, states that Vishnu pervades everything and is not anthropomorphic. Attributing anthrompormorphic characteristics to Vishnu is a common misconception held by non-Hindus. Vishnu has no particular material form but can manifest in any form, and is a center of all force, power, will, auspiciousness, goodness, beauty, grace, responsiveness, etc.
	I had originally added the comment by a Ramakrishna Mission scholar but it was removed somehow. So I will restore it, in some way. What do you think?

			:@] new sockpuppet has reached out, pls see the case and do accordingly. ]<sup>]]</sup> 19:33, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
	] 02:17, 22 May 2005 (UTC)
			::I already changed the image of the ] article (to one including a devotee praying to Vishnu, the lack of which seemed to be the cause of the complaint) on the off-chance it might placate Vinayvinyill and his various socks, but I guess not.
			::If other people could also report them, that would be good. I am running out of the energy/inclination to do so. ] (]) 09:54, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
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			:::<s>Adding old image to Vishnu and Godd statue for Shiva.
			:::why so much difference my dear @]
			:::So many statue of Vishnu are found in world such as Angkor wat Vishnu temple, Cambodia, Garuda wisnu kencana, so many, add This
			:::if you didn't add atleast change shiva image add old photo to shiva, treat all are equal, you promote Shiva supremacy and wiki user's shows bad light to Lord Vishnu.
			:::only karma can teach you.
			:::Good Bye 👋🫂
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			:::@] ] (]) 11:06, 25 August 2024 (UTC)</s> <small>Block sock ] (]) 15:23, 28 August 2024 (UTC)</small>
			::::Why are you so obsessed with statues? The main image on the ] article is much better than that on ], in my opinion. Nothing on the latter article shows any kind of "supremacy". ] (]) 11:12, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
			:::::<s>And why so many info on infobox shiva and less info to Vishnu, isn't supremacy?
			:::::Unnecessary content add in shiva wiki info, Mahakala is another name of Shiva but you put as God of time and Also you add Cosmic dancer, it's also unnecessary, because it's name is Nataraja, add his names to as other names not in info.
			:::::Shiva is a pan-Hindu deity, introduction should be pan-Hindu in nature, lead adds his sectarian as Supreme later ] (]) 11:18, 25 August 2024 (UTC)
			::::::Shiva is a pan-Hindu deity, introduction should be pan-Hindu in nature, lead adds his sectarian as Supreme later
			::::::@] ] (]) 11:20, 25 August 2024 (UTC)</s> <small>Block sock ] (]) 15:23, 28 August 2024 (UTC)</small>
			:i have replaced the img with a better crop, @] I have made this article, along with few others, extended protected so u can relax a bit. ]<sup>]]</sup> 04:33, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
			::Thank you. Regarding the new image, I don't really like that we've basically given in to the endless sockpuppetry, but the picture is fine, I suppose. ] (]) 08:55, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
			:::@] @] As has already been observed, this is Guruvayurappan rather than Vishnu. I'm not sure about this, but I b ] <sup>]</sup> 10:07, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
			::::I believe the peacock feathers of the image signify the deity being a form of both Vishnu and Krishna. I would suggest we favour a more pan-Hindu representation rather than a regional one if possible. ] <sup>]</sup> 10:10, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
			:::::You mean like the one that was there previously? 😜 ] (]) 10:10, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
			::::::@] I personally wasn't fully for it to be honest. We can do better. ] <sup>]</sup> 14:09, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
			::::There may be some differences in the iconography of Vishnu and Guruyavuappan in general, but in this painting, it seems the artist has leaned more towards Vishnu. Regarding the Peacock feather, in recent times, it has been commonly associated with Vishnu along with Krishna. Personally, I don't feel much of problem with this image as it doesn't give the regional vibe and seems like a widely used depiction of Vishnu. ]<sup>]]</sup> 10:25, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
			::::{{ping\|Dāsānudāsa}}{{ping\|Chronikhiles}}I do believe the best image for this article was the one from Ravi Varma press which had the god seated in centre surrounded by the other avatars. Only if that img could be cropped in a desired way, this discussion would have been settled months back. Nvm, I think the current image is satisfactory. ]<sup>]]</sup> 10:39, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
			:::::@] Alright I'm not going to press on this, as long as it doesn't violate policy we're good. ] <sup>]</sup> 14:11, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
			:::I personally do not think this image is a good choice for the infobox image. Firstly I do not believe we should be appeasing sock puppet edits in order to stop them from coming (the previous image had a consensus among non-sockpuppets). I agree with the criticism that this image rather depicts Guruvayurappan (with Krishna influence) rather than Vishnu. The image should be one that is non-sectarian and solely depicts Vishnu's attributes and not those associated with any avatar or local idol. Furthermore, I oppose what is the seemingly overwhelming preference for infobox images to be depictions of Hindu deities in the Western artistic tradition (painting or sculpture) (see ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], etc.). These images in the Western art/scupltural style have artistic features (realistic human proportions, perspective, ) that for most of the history of the worship of these deities were unknown. Ideally, infobox images should be ''historically relevant'' depictions of these deities in artistic forms that are appropriate for high quality encyclopedic publications. While I am not opposed to the complete removal of Western-derived images of Hindu deities, their promotion over other artistic styles is highly problematic. ] (]) 21:05, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
			::::Maybe a picture of murti of Vishnu from a temple can be used? e.g. ] ] (]) 16:17, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
			:::::<s>plz dont add this sculpture even current image is 100 times better. ] (]) 16:28, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
			::::::Statue of Vishnu in Batu caves.
			::::::] ] (]) 16:34, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
			:::::::whats wrong to replace previous image, peacock feather related to Vishnu not only to Guruvayoor or Krishna.
			:::::::Is anyone add Vishnu statue by suitable liscence ] (]) 16:51, 28 August 2024 (UTC)</s> <small>Blocked sock ] (]) 16:40, 1 September 2024 (UTC)</small>
			::::::::@] yes - sorry for confusion - I saw the image on that temple page and thought it might be a murti in that temple. What I am suggesting is that if there is a picture of a Vishnu murti in a temple, that can be used instead of some depictions. ] (]) 16:57, 28 August 2024 (UTC)
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			::::::::::And so many people jeaulous to Lord vishnu for eg in wiki, such as Dasanudasa and red tiger and all fake shiva Andha Bhaktas and so called fools and rascals.
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			:::::::::::Hey Rascasl @], why so much jealous on Lord Vishnu, you randi, worst devil. you fool. Add good statue for shiva in wiki, but why you added old photo for vishnu. ] (]) 12:07, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
			::::::::::::Hey @]
			::::::::::::so many propaganda for Vaishnavism and lord Vishnu.
			::::::::::::This red tiger 🐅 is from Maharashtra, he is shaivism, that' why he hate Vaishnavs, add old for Vishnu wiki page, why there is so many statue of Vishnu in the world.
			::::::::::::And why you added shiva statue of Shiva for wiki page, why not added images. Lol
			::::::::::::What a hypocrisy,,
			::::::::::::There is no children for Lord Vishnu, but you added devasena and sundarvalli as daughter, even none of the purana mentioned about it, it found only in Tamil tradition. Not necessary added this
			::::::::::::And there is more son of Shiva , but you deleted when someone added children name, Goddess Ashoka Sundari and Goddesses Manasa is also daughter of Shiva, it information found in some purana, but you deleted as not mainstream,
			::::::::::::What a hypocrisy ??
			::::::::::::You believe in some tamil tradition information that God children, but you didnt believe what information found in puranas, that' not mainstream for you,
			::::::::::::Fake information is good citations for you and original authentic source is not main stream. Very non sense for this very jealous on ] (]) 12:09, 29 August 2024 (UTC)</s> <small>Blocked sock ] (]) 16:40, 1 September 2024 (UTC)</small>
			:::::::::::::@], the Devasena point which u made is valid, but none of the above users have added that. Also, ]<sup>]]</sup> 14:15, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
			::::::::::::::The scriptures don't promote using such pathetic words and whining bigot nature, by which u are degrading yourself and your views. None of us give a damn care to it. Also stop tagging me unnecessarily ]<sup>]]</sup> 14:17, 29 August 2024 (UTC)
			:::::::::::::::@] If I may, I suggest we engage no further with him rather than respond to his provocation. ] <sup>]</sup> 16:16, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

			== Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 15 October 2024 ==
	==Etymology==

			{{edit extended-protected\|Vishnu\|answered=yes}}
	The etymology of the name is unknown. It is continued in Prakrit ''veṇhu'', ''viṇhu''. Conceivable is a connection with the root ''vay'' "pursue". Other proposed analyses include ''vi-ṣṇu'' "crossing the back", ''vi-ṣ-ṇu'' "facing towards all sides" and ''viṣ-ṇu'' "active". Other suggestions attempt to explain it as an amalgate of two unrelated words, or as derived from a non-Aryan root.
			Spelling error in the 'Iconography Section': should be 'abode' and not 'adobe' - see "His adobe is described as Vaikuntha and his mount (vahana) is the bird king Garuda." ] (]) 10:30, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

			:done ] (]) 11:17, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
	:Where is the source for this? Why can't these ideas co-exist w modern Hindu definitions of the word? <big>''''']'''''</big> 09:49, 27 May 2005 (UTC)

	:Mayrhofer's etymological dictionary. You had no business removing this, Raj, so put it back. If you cite "meanings" instead of etymologies, attribute them. Vishnu does not "mean" ''all-pervading'', unless you take your guru's word for it. If it is a notable guru, cite him together with the "meaning", just don't give it as "the truth". This is Misplaced Pages. ] <small>]</small> 06:25, 28 May 2005 (UTC)

	Dab, it's absurd to say that the meaning of ] is not the all pervading one and simply the meaning given by one guru. The meanings for Vishnu are found in the Vishnu Purana, an old purana and the most authorative Vaishnavite purana. You call my comments simply wrong without citing anything. You are the one who is simply wrong for not even knowing what the meaning of Vishnu is for Hindus. You are not a Hindu so you don't know. I am trying to be civil but you started name calling. There people who write nonsense in wikipedia without citing support. In fact, you had no business removing the name for Vishnu meaning all pervading. You have the gall to to ignore your own "]." We had similar discussion about ].
	Entymology, or the historical development of the word may or may not be known but the meaning is settled.
	You simply didn't read the link I sent you.

	For the etymology of the name, "Vishnu" please see the meanings in this site which explains meaning of Vishnu, the second name in the Vishnu sahasranama. It quotes Vedic and Puranic verses. http://home.comcast.net/~chinnamma/sahasra/ Please click on page 01 in the Links to slokams.

	Read the whole link. Many great scholars, such as ] have explained what Vishnu means and the conclusion is all pervading.
	The meanings for Vishnu are found in the Vishnu Purana, an old purana and the most authorative Vaishnavite purana.
	Sankara, from the cite stated:

	yasmAd vishTam idam sarvam tasya SaktyA mahAtmanah \|
	tasmAd vishNuriti khyAto veSer dhAtoh praveSanAt \|\| (Vishnu Purana 3.1.45)
	"Because the whole world has been pervaded by the energy of the great Self,
	He is named '''vishNu, from the root viS - to enter or pervade."
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	vyApte me rodasI pArtha kAntiscApadhikA sthitA \|
	kramaNaccApyaham pArtha! VishNuriti abhisamgj~nita: \|\| (Mahabharata. 350.43)
	"As I have pervaded the horizons, my glory stands foremost, and as I have measured by my steps the three worlds, O Arjuna! I am named vishNu".
	Quote from the scholars and summary:
	"To summarize,

	- the nAma vishNu refers to the guNa of bhagavAn in pervading everything He has created, including all sentient and non-sentient objects from a blade of grass to brahma; - His pervasion is because of His Sakti; in other words, He is the power behind everything that exists; an instance of His Sakti is illustrated by His measuring the three worlds with His Foot; - His vyApati is indicative of the inseparable relation between Him and everything else outside Him, in the sense that nothing exists without Him. - His pervasion of everything is of the form of His enveloping and showering everything around Him with His Mercy. It is not just His sausIlya that is indicated by this nAma; all His powers including that of creation, sustenance, His Lordship, etc., are to be understood by this nAma. - It is because of His pervasion of everything in this universe that things (for example the constellations, the planets, etc.)., are in their respective positions without colliding with each other."

	The meanings for Vishnu are found in the Vishnu Purana, an old purana and the most authorative Vaishnavite purana.
	If you want, you may write entymology may be unknown but the meaning is well-settled.

	Also you cite a Western scholar. So-called Western scholars are notoriously anti-Hindu. It's fine if you disagree but you ERASED my work without reading any of the links. Ask any Hindu and Vishnu means all pervading. THat meaning is overwhelmingly the predominant one. Who cares about what an unknown scholar thinks when the overwhelming majority consider Vishnu meaning to be all pervading. (I.e., Vishnu Purana) If you cited ] or other giants in Hinduism, that would be authorative.
	As Animesh said to me once, "if you want
	a more concrete and old (and reverred, more perfect, more poetic) reference, then you can cite Vishnu Purana, Bhagavat Purana, etc."
	Why would quote Myerhoffs dictionary, an unknown reference?

	Why do you care about meaning in Prakrit or common language that was corrupted from Sanskrit.. We are worried about meaning in Sanksrit.

	Read the story of ] which illustrates the Lord's omnipresence.

	To satisfy the 1% of you who dispute the meaning of Vishnu, I put in the article, Most Hindus consider Vishnu to mean All-Pervading One but a minority attribute other meanings and even some suggest that the entymology of the name is unknown.

	'''You may it think it' semantic to call Vishnu a Hindu god versus God but how would a Christian feel if someone call Jesus a god instead of God. The same would go with a Muslim. Judging by the conversation with (Oxy2Hydro 2) it appears that you may have offended some.'''

	Furthermore, anything that is Hindu is termed as Hindu mythology by Westerners. Anything that is Biblical is accepted as fact. No one calls storys from the Bible as Christian mythology.

	Person's feelings about religion are a sensitive issue and that's what we must strive in wikipedia to tread careful waters.


	Thank you.

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	As suggested by Sam, I have added your minority viewpoint.
	] 00:43, 29 May 2005 (UTC)


	I agree w Raj, it is important to be respectful regarding deities. Its also fine to point out where Mayrhofer's etymological dictionary disagrees. NPOV is the sum total of verifiable POV's, not any one of them individually. <u><big>''''']'''''</big> </u> 21:54, 28 May 2005 (UTC)


	:Good edit, Raj! Now thats ]! Writing for your enemy, as well as the truth as you see it... thats what its all about! :) <u><big>''''']'''''</big> </u> 23:32, 28 May 2005 (UTC)


	Can we call Vishnu a God in Vaishnavism and a deity outside it? ] 13:25, 29 May 2005 (UTC)
	Not sure. would one call another person's God a deity? That would imply a polytheistic notion.
	] 17:05, 29 May 2005 (UTC)

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~~Text necessary info to vishnu wiki page such as,~~

By Adding, Destroyer of Evil, concept of Vishnu Avatar is protector of righteousness (good) and destroyer of u righteousness (evil) ,so it is necessary to add this word before bestower of karma. Narayana Name quote name by redirect link in below before The supreme being (vaishnavism) and by removing same title name link in other names

~~"Narayana" is not just another name or form of vishnu, narayana is aspect and important Epithet of vishnu deity.~~

~~it is necessary to add this names, because Entire description scriptures information found in this Narayana wiki article.~~

when i edit it, someone again reverted, it's any doubts anyone came discuss me, I answer for all debate it's necessary neutral point by good faiths or reverted my edits in vishnu wiki page history as reverted good faith . Blocked sock Chariotrider555 (talk) 15:23, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

Durga is not the sister of Vishnu

Durga is not the sister of Vishnu, it is yogmaya who is considered the sister of Krishna. It is Meenkshi who is the sister of Aḻagar. Vishnu does not have any siblings, remove it. 2601:205:457E:9850:CDA0:2EC9:752C:5601 (talk) 01:15, 9 August 2024 (UTC) Blocked sock Chariotrider555 (talk) 15:23, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

Sockpuppet is back with another accounts

@Vinayvinyill is back with two sockpuppet accounts @Narine naresh and @Naanu neenu and is vandalising articles with his sectarian bias again. Please look into this. @Doug Weller @Abecedare @Dāsānudāsa Hbanm (talk) 20:43, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

@Hbanm, why you mentioned my username in this content, I can't understand, there is no relation with this @Naanu neenu account, he made edits on wiki pages, what he edit vandalism, I just correct it, you are confused with same letter names, What I add content in wiki based on reliable sources only. Narine naresh (talk) 00:57, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

~~What's your problem. Lol ! Naanu neenu (talk) 02:12, 19 August 2024 (UTC)~~

~~No problems, I just comment on yours user name, what you done in wiki, Don't add content without reliable source . Narine naresh (talk) 02:16, 19 August 2024 (UTC)~~

~~Even Misplaced Pages gave me chance for editing, buy why you pls didn't get freedom for edits, this is too much.~~ Block sock Chariotrider555 (talk) 15:23, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

~~Encyclopedia is much better than Misplaced Pages. Naanu neenu (talk) 02:19, 19 August 2024 (UTC)~~

~~Is anyone plz block This account~~

~~@Naanu neenu, he made vandalism on article. Narine naresh (talk) 02:26, 19 August 2024 (UTC)~~

This account @Naanu neenu

Also distributed my account by same letter name.

~~Block this @Naanu neenu Narine naresh (talk) 02:28, 19 August 2024 (UTC)~~

~~what a propaganda. I added similar content, but why you deleted. Wiki users are fools and rascal. Old image for Vishnu and new good statue for Shiva.~~

~~Politics by rascal red tiger and Chutiya Chronikiles Naanu neenu (talk) 02:47, 19 August 2024 (UTC)~~ Block sock Chariotrider555 (talk) 15:23, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

Blocked Naanu neenu. Doug Weller talk 08:28, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks but please block @Narine naresh too, both are the sockpuppets of same account @Vinayvinyill, he is trying to play smart by replying to himself with different account, look at the language used in both accounts and he is doing continuous vandalism in articles with his sectarian bias. Hbanm (talk) 11:41, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Agree, Narine naresh's recent vandalism on Shiva article clearly shows it. 245CMR• 13:16, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

~~yes , I am Sock puppet block me.~~

~~Very waste time in wiki, edit wiki like swimming pool again and again in life. Narine naresh (talk) 13:24, 19 August 2024 (UTC)~~ Blocked sock Chariotrider555 (talk) 15:23, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

Hey @Doug Weller

~~I kindly request you to plz block @Hbanm, which revert good edits Narine naresh (talk) 13:25, 19 August 2024 (UTC)~~

Hey you wiki user's

@Hbanm

@Redtigerxyz

~~Why you jealous on Lord Vishnu. Narine naresh (talk) 13:27, 19 August 2024 (UTC)~~

~~May Lord Vishnu Bless to you all~~

~~OM Namo Narayanaya! Narine naresh (talk) 13:28, 19 August 2024 (UTC)~~ Block sock Chariotrider555 (talk) 15:23, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

You and User:Bossfans are blocked as socks. Doug Weller talk 14:30, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. I needed something to keep me awake this afternoon! Done. Doug Weller talk 14:31, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Please revert the edits by the two socks, thanks. Doug Weller talk 14:49, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Infobox Image

Although suggested by another sockpuppet, it seems he has suggested a good image of the deity with good composition, attributes and most importantly proper copyright info. One thing that can be noted that it depicts the god in his region form Guruvayurappan, but hardly any major difference between the 2 forms is present. Seyamar_(245CMR) 19:10, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

@Dāsānudāsa new sockpuppet has reached out, pls see the case and do accordingly. Seyamar_(245CMR) 19:33, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

I already changed the image of the Vaishnavism article (to one including a devotee praying to Vishnu, the lack of which seemed to be the cause of the complaint) on the off-chance it might placate Vinayvinyill and his various socks, but I guess not.

If other people could also report them, that would be good. I am running out of the energy/inclination to do so. Dāsānudāsa (talk) 09:54, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

@Dāsānudāsa

~~Adding old image to Vishnu and Godd statue for Shiva.~~

why so much difference my dear @Dāsānudāsa

So many statue of Vishnu are found in world such as Angkor wat Vishnu temple, Cambodia, Garuda wisnu kencana, so many, add This

if you didn't add atleast change shiva image add old photo to shiva, treat all are equal, you promote Shiva supremacy and wiki user's shows bad light to Lord Vishnu.

only karma can teach you.

Good Bye 👋🫂

@Chronikhiles

@Chariotrider555

@Seyamar

~~@Redtigerxyz Jeevan jeeva jr (talk) 11:06, 25 August 2024 (UTC)~~ Block sock Chariotrider555 (talk) 15:23, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

Why are you so obsessed with statues? The main image on the Vishnu article is much better than that on Shiva, in my opinion. Nothing on the latter article shows any kind of "supremacy". Dāsānudāsa (talk) 11:12, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

~~And why so many info on infobox shiva and less info to Vishnu, isn't supremacy?~~

Unnecessary content add in shiva wiki info, Mahakala is another name of Shiva but you put as God of time and Also you add Cosmic dancer, it's also unnecessary, because it's name is Nataraja, add his names to as other names not in info.

~~Shiva is a pan-Hindu deity, introduction should be pan-Hindu in nature, lead adds his sectarian as Supreme later Jeevan jeeva jr (talk) 11:18, 25 August 2024 (UTC)~~

~~Shiva is a pan-Hindu deity, introduction should be pan-Hindu in nature, lead adds his sectarian as Supreme later~~

~~@Dāsānudāsa Jeevan jeeva jr (talk) 11:20, 25 August 2024 (UTC)~~ Block sock Chariotrider555 (talk) 15:23, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

i have replaced the img with a better crop, @Dāsānudāsa I have made this article, along with few others, extended protected so u can relax a bit. Seyamar_(245CMR) 04:33, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. Regarding the new image, I don't really like that we've basically given in to the endless sockpuppetry, but the picture is fine, I suppose. Dāsānudāsa (talk) 08:55, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

@Dāsānudāsa @Seyamar As has already been observed, this is Guruvayurappan rather than Vishnu. I'm not sure about this, but I b Chronikhiles 10:07, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

I believe the peacock feathers of the image signify the deity being a form of both Vishnu and Krishna. I would suggest we favour a more pan-Hindu representation rather than a regional one if possible. Chronikhiles 10:10, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

You mean like the one that was there previously? 😜 Dāsānudāsa (talk) 10:10, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

@Dāsānudāsa I personally wasn't fully for it to be honest. We can do better. Chronikhiles 14:09, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

There may be some differences in the iconography of Vishnu and Guruyavuappan in general, but in this painting, it seems the artist has leaned more towards Vishnu. Regarding the Peacock feather, in recent times, it has been commonly associated with Vishnu along with Krishna. Personally, I don't feel much of problem with this image as it doesn't give the regional vibe and seems like a widely used depiction of Vishnu. Seyamar_(245CMR) 10:25, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

@Dāsānudāsa:@Chronikhiles:I do believe the best image for this article was the one from Ravi Varma press which had the god seated in centre surrounded by the other avatars. Only if that img could be cropped in a desired way, this discussion would have been settled months back. Nvm, I think the current image is satisfactory. Seyamar_(245CMR) 10:39, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

@Seyamar Alright I'm not going to press on this, as long as it doesn't violate policy we're good. Chronikhiles 14:11, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

I personally do not think this image is a good choice for the infobox image. Firstly I do not believe we should be appeasing sock puppet edits in order to stop them from coming (the previous image had a consensus among non-sockpuppets). I agree with the criticism that this image rather depicts Guruvayurappan (with Krishna influence) rather than Vishnu. The image should be one that is non-sectarian and solely depicts Vishnu's attributes and not those associated with any avatar or local idol. Furthermore, I oppose what is the seemingly overwhelming preference for infobox images to be depictions of Hindu deities in the Western artistic tradition (painting or sculpture) (see Vishnu, Shiva, Lakshmi, Saraswati, Parvati, Kartikeya, Kali, Hanuman, etc.). These images in the Western art/scupltural style have artistic features (realistic human proportions, perspective, ) that for most of the history of the worship of these deities were unknown. Ideally, infobox images should be historically relevant depictions of these deities in artistic forms that are appropriate for high quality encyclopedic publications. While I am not opposed to the complete removal of Western-derived images of Hindu deities, their promotion over other artistic styles is highly problematic. Chariotrider555 (talk) 21:05, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

Maybe a picture of murti of Vishnu from a temple can be used? e.g. Dashavatara Temple, Deogarh#/media/File:Deogarh, Dasavatara-Tempel Vishnu (1999) (cropped).JPG Asteramellus (talk) 16:17, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

~~plz dont add this sculpture even current image is 100 times better. Jayanthkaikini (talk) 16:28, 28 August 2024 (UTC)~~

~~Statue of Vishnu in Batu caves.~~

~~File:Images (1)~2.jpg Jayanthkaikini (talk) 16:34, 28 August 2024 (UTC)~~

~~whats wrong to replace previous image, peacock feather related to Vishnu not only to Guruvayoor or Krishna.~~

~~Is anyone add Vishnu statue by suitable liscence Jayanthkaikini (talk) 16:51, 28 August 2024 (UTC)~~ Blocked sock Chariotrider555 (talk) 16:40, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

@Jayanthkaikini yes - sorry for confusion - I saw the image on that temple page and thought it might be a murti in that temple. What I am suggesting is that if there is a picture of a Vishnu murti in a temple, that can be used instead of some depictions. Asteramellus (talk) 16:57, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

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~~@Dougweller Jayanthkaikini (talk) 12:02, 29 August 2024 (UTC)~~

And so many people jeaulous to Lord vishnu for eg in wiki, such as Dasanudasa and red tiger and all fake shiva Andha Bhaktas and so called fools and rascals.

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~~@Redtigerxyz Jayanthkaikini (talk) 12:04, 29 August 2024 (UTC)~~

Hey Rascasl @Redtigerxyz, why so much jealous on Lord Vishnu, you randi, worst devil. you fool. Add good statue for shiva in wiki, but why you added old photo for vishnu. Jayanthkaikini (talk) 12:07, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

Hey @Redtigerxyz

so many propaganda for Vaishnavism and lord Vishnu.

This red tiger 🐅 is from Maharashtra, he is shaivism, that' why he hate Vaishnavs, add old for Vishnu wiki page, why there is so many statue of Vishnu in the world.

And why you added shiva statue of Shiva for wiki page, why not added images. Lol

What a hypocrisy,,

There is no children for Lord Vishnu, but you added devasena and sundarvalli as daughter, even none of the purana mentioned about it, it found only in Tamil tradition. Not necessary added this

And there is more son of Shiva , but you deleted when someone added children name, Goddess Ashoka Sundari and Goddesses Manasa is also daughter of Shiva, it information found in some purana, but you deleted as not mainstream,

What a hypocrisy ??

You believe in some tamil tradition information that God children, but you didnt believe what information found in puranas, that' not mainstream for you,

~~Fake information is good citations for you and original authentic source is not main stream. Very non sense for this very jealous on Jayanthkaikini (talk) 12:09, 29 August 2024 (UTC)~~ Blocked sock Chariotrider555 (talk) 16:40, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

@Jayanthkaikini, the Devasena point which u made is valid, but none of the above users have added that. Also, Seyamar_(245CMR) 14:15, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

The scriptures don't promote using such pathetic words and whining bigot nature, by which u are degrading yourself and your views. None of us give a damn care to it. Also stop tagging me unnecessarily Seyamar_(245CMR) 14:17, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

@Seyamar If I may, I suggest we engage no further with him rather than respond to his provocation. Chronikhiles 16:16, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

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Spelling error in the 'Iconography Section': should be 'abode' and not 'adobe' - see "His adobe is described as Vaikuntha and his mount (vahana) is the bird king Garuda." Sheemiee (talk) 10:30, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

done Asteramellus (talk) 11:17, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

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