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== There are real problems with this article and even the search for it. == == This whole article is nonsense ==

RACE AND CRIME in the United States


Ever watch an appointed person in a congressional oversight hearing who's maybe unhappy with how skillfully they were asked a question? You don't need to know them, their politics, or have even heard the question to know if they like the question or not; even if they answer it in a manner that's technically honest, right? You can hear the literal PAIN in their voice. The resentment or condescension in their reply. They often have excellent vocabularies on generate slick phrasing on command, even when trapped. They still find ways to mitigate culpability. And it's not like we get to preview the structure of our sentences before we start them, such that we're guaranteed they don't "dead-end" somewhere and require a do-over. I've done it. Who hasn't, right?? Granted, some of them will claim they don't recall something a couple hundred times, despite us seeing they have a gifted vocabulary and memory for literally everything else. lol. Some of their "gems" (subjectively, of course) lead to safety valves like, "it depends on what the meaning of the word "is" is." No matter what the latitude of our knowledge and the skill of the questioner ... rarely do we hear dispassionate people citing facts in a way that sounds open; uncalculated. Devoid of contrivance ... in which indifferent as to what others think and even suggestive that they themselves may not have an opinion about the data, either. You know? We ALWAYS know what their MO is, their team, where they're being evasive.


Is anyone under the impression that we read your articles and entries on Race and Crime and find your authors to be dispassionate and honest arbiters of fact who are indifferent about the beliefs of the reader or the data you're reporting on? I know the sections that took you years to acknowledge, and then, you provided the asterisk, but not the data. Think we're confused? Or, are you just holding out that the people inculcated in ideological thinking from a young age (you know, the same thing cults do) will just read this and think, yeah, that sounds good. ..? That none of us have experienced the world? Aggregated a database of experiences of our own and in observing others from which to know when data comports with agitprop? Try listening to Thomas Sowell and tell me you think he's manipulating the facts to suit a narrative. Find someone who knows NOTHING about DOJ, BJS and FBI data, and see if they don't see indices of deception. And are you so cynical that you've decided the people with IQs (or whatever we try to mean by them) between 80-105 are the target audience of your material? Maybe the 50% believe you number is 110, maybe it's 100, maybe it varies on other things (life experience, SES, or things we can't imagine) ... but are you really selecting people based on their inability to know when you're withholding facts, editorializing (on a page called Race and CRIME in US) ... which should be NOTHING but statistical facts, and if you want? Offer links at the end that offer opinions or hypotheses based on particular ideas. Fine. But the data is the DATA. And you can't even deal with that, so why would I trust your opinions if you can't even honestly report facts?


WHAT is your problem with just telling the TRUTH?

Were this a page written by dispassionate truth-telling, it'd be exclusively STATISTICS and their definitions.
And, it'd make it easy to compare data-sets.

Offer links to pages proffering HYPOTHESES of what people think EXPLAINS the data.
Flesh out your scientific standards; test SIZE, control, CONFLICTS, methodology.

But this page has a title; and it's quite difficult to see the link between its contents and that title.


Section: Explanations for racial discrepancies

Topic: Discrimination by law enforcement
...
A 2019 study by the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) found facial-recognition was substantially more likely to misidentify faces of minorities, such as Asian and African-American were up to 100 times more likely to be misidentified than white men.

Great info: But this has zero to do with statistics.
This isn't an article about the JUDICIAL system or law enforcement.
It's the rate of victims by groups. Period.
This page requires VICTIMS to match up to each crime.

A rate which I might add, is pretty similar across all race & ethnic groups
There are slightly fewer arrests of minorities per victim:
Perhaps it's a reasonable inference and potential explanatory hypotheses ... but it's germane.

It is TRULY WRONG for people to get the SHADE of someone wrong.
The individual..? Absolutely; but that's an article called

The US Judicial System
Sub-section: Habeas grabus.

But it's obscurantism to suggest or conflate topics into such a narrow topic of DATA.


FEWER blacks are arrested per victim who alleges a black perpetrator (irrespective victim race).
Care to list the percent of arrests / convictions per race (on average)?
List how often eye witnesses IDs are overturned by DNA if you want to show a disparity...

BUT THAT'S A DIFFERENT ARTICLE.


Worse? It doesn't even mention that we DON'T USE facial recognition (UI) to identify people for legal purposes. Making that NIST report (used here, in an article called CRIME in the US) ... is literally used for the sake of misleading reader's who won't think about the inability to create a syllogism out of that information with this context.

It's not just that some is misleading, other unfalsifiable and still other remarks are germane. It's that there's a uniform objective that's completely obvious when you read not just this article, but any wikipedia article that touches on topics with a political element to them.


Or, you could just rename it? "Approved contributors ideas to rehabilitate & provide PR for whichever groups commit disproportionate amounts of violent crime."

Again, this article is called RACE AND CRIME in the U.S.


And were this the article on problems with LE (which I'm making a website dedicated to) or DA (possibly the cause of most corruption in PDs) ... and I agree, they BAD arrests occur regularly. And it's infuriating.

DAs LIE, and encourage lying with euphemisms like "team player".
Police reports aren't required to be submitted under PENALTY of PERJURY. (total BS).


But THIS article is about the amount of crime that HAPPENS and WHO COMMITS it ... WHERE. (Data, ONLY).

Not the judicial system.
Not Law Enforcement.
Not Prison.
Not sentencing.
Not legislative.
Not the misuse or inadequate use of the Presidential Pardon.

Not "The stripping of the 2A right for a MYRIAD of NON-VIOLENT CRIMES."

NOT "The inability of police to provide proactive protection."

Not "Disparities in POLICE latitude to protect their lives in situations citizens are RELIABLY prosecuted"


I noticed you point out that ... "most murders are intraracial." That's good.

Should we not care about INTERRACIAL ..? (If so, why do we have hate crimes?)

BJS further breaks down interracial murders by those committed by
- acquaintances, vs.,
- NOT acquaintances.



Some stats that make things easier for humans to quickly assess risks:

'''2018 RATE of INTERRACIAL VIOLENT FELONIES (between only blacks & whites) in the US:'''
40-million blacks / 13% committed 537,204 of 593,598 total felonies in 2018 or 1 per 74.5 blacks.
205 million whites / 64% committed 56,394 of 593,598 total felonies in 2018 or 1 per 3,635 whites.

White Rate: 3,635
Black Rate: 74.5

'''Dividing 3,635 / 74.5 = ~49x the white rate (annually)'''



'''COMPARATIVE INTERRACIAL MURDER RATES'''

200 million whites kill < 200 blacks, annually = 1 black murdered per 1-million whites (annually).
40 million blacks kill ~ 480 whites, annually = 1 white murdered per 83,333 blacks (annually)

1,000,000 / 83,333 or 12x

49x the rate of violent assaults on whites (even higher for asians, by far).
12x the rate of murder committed by whites

Ignoring the DOJ / BJS stat that says:
- less than 1% of whites are killed by blacks engaged in lawful self-defense.
- Roughly 20% of blacks are killed by whites engaged in lawful self-defense.

1,250,000 / 83,333 or 15x the murder rate



But this is data that deserves mitigation, couching, concealing, using poverty to justify.

Blacks murder whites at ~15x the rate of whites murdering blacks (annually).
Blacks assault whites at ~49x the rate of whites assaulting blacks (annually).


White (M) rape Black (F) (per FBI) is listed as ~0.0%
Black (M) rape White (F) (per FBI) is listed as ~35%






What makes data so hard to explain?
Just state facts - made it easy to compare.

Is the Misplaced Pages aversion to facts that the consequences (reality) is somehow "offensive."

Numbers that are YEAR after YEAR the same if not worse.

When you're trying to explain numbers that speak for themselves? You're LOSING.

When you depend on "COGNITIVE IMMUNODEFICIENCY SYNDROME" (CID) to strip BS detectors? Vs embed them?
And academia can't allow the battle of ideas, but instead demands orthodoxy? Spreading "ACQUIRED CID" ..?

Is there anything more insecure than that?

I guess when your theories in practice result in demonstrable destruction of a 1st world nation ...
All you can do is command allegiance to the orthodoxy and make the price for heresy as high as you can.

It's sad, bc as an atheist, pro-choice person ... my religion is science, and the world my country.
But you no longer believe in your own beliefs. So you hide them as best you can.

I miss having a world to debate with ... and I hope you come back soon.

The euphemisms, obscurantism, requiring a praetorian guard or devoted ideologues invoking your shibboleths...

You're not the left I knew.
The Christopher Hitchens left.
He valued science, bc he revered epistemological TRUTH.
He'd debate ANY religious zealots on anything he knew.

You've become cowards. Hiding. Deleting people. Enforcing WRONG think, "Ban them."
Squawking about your feelings (like everyone doesn't have them).


So either LET THE DATA STAND on it's own two feet,
or, make your next entry ''the DEATH of DEMOCRACY''

- Argue that people are too dumb to deal with reality / truth (only select people can know that).
- Facts are for the elite, the rest of us can be told what to believe and how to feel.


I really hope you guys get better soon; I know you know, History doesn't repeat but it rhymes.

You know we have the US postage stamp.
There are no UK postage stamps, but there are US.
But they have to say, google.co.uk. We're just .com.
These are naming rights. Californium, Berkelium. Einsteinium, Rutherfordium.

This are hallmarks to periods in time where the principles of ideas FLOURISHED in regions.
ORION & SIRIUS ... the constellations -- these are arabic names. As is algebra and algorithm.

And there was a great deal of intellectual ideas emanating from the Library of Alexandria.


You have not included any work done by those on the opposite side.
There's the sad story of Hypatia ... during an epoch of orthodoxy and blasphemy from which that region of the world has yet to rebound from to this day. It doesn't require religion to do this; look at Lysenkoism. Communism was a political dogma ... and so many of the minds of our society have been polarized and sucked into this vortex in which truth isn't paramount ... but a dogmatic cult is casting a shadow over all of us which is blotting out the spirit that made the western culture one to be revered. The irony to me? Is how many people will migrate here only to regret doing so.
This whole article wants to only site those that blame the greater society for people murdering and raping each other.
It's a typical liberal propaganda angle to legitimize crime and downplay the demographics (as inconvenient as it is for the editors).


In the first semi protected comment above me, the OP brought up Roland Fryers EXTENSIVE work,which blew the lid off this whole, "white cops targeting black people".And the editors just totally dismissed it!
Please snap out of it guys ... the value of the truth is greater than the price of losing any single argument. ] (]) 02:39, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
That right there was a dead give away.
Is this wikipedia? Or some activist club that only wants to spread a narrative? ] (]) 22:23, 2 November 2024 (UTC)


Bravo,TrumanLA. Truly well written and thought-out commentary to this embarrassing Misplaced Pages article. I echo all of your points and concerns,though I could not have said it as well as you did. I hope to see more of your work here on Misplaced Pages. Thank you for your service. ] (]) 15:15, 3 October 2022 (UTC) :How topics are covered is determined by weight, that is, the degree of acceptance of different findings in reliable sources, in this case academic sources. Since Fryer's views have no acceptance among experts, they could only be mentioned here as fringe views. It doesn't matter if he is right or not. ] (]) 23:50, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
::Fryers views are not fringe, look up, Thomas Sowell, Shelby Steele, John Mcwhorter and Heather MacDonalds work on this subject. The article is bias. It's PC journalism that you're using. ] (]) 13:24, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
:::You list two economists, a linguist, an author, and a lawyer as authoritative sources in criminology? Yet you list no criminologists? ] ] 00:15, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
::::It is a joke and this article is so shockingly inaccurate I now will have to reconsider practically anything I ever read on Misplaced Pages again. How is this travesty allowed to be published? Worse yet, some are even defending it! Have you no sense of the reality? We do, and can tell you very plainly, this entire article diminishes the culpability of blacks at every turn placing the blame on historical grievances and providing false statements from first paragraph to the last.
::::At no point in the article was there even a mention or allusion to the genetic component regarding the likelihood of committing crimes and black Americans. Studies have shown that DNA differences can predict the likelihood of certain ethnicities committing crimes. ] (]) 13:40, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
:This is the correct take. I couldn't believe what I was reading on this page. Anybody, including my fellow black Americans, can tell you that there are so many glaring and obvious statements in it that are outright false and have been propagated for liberal bias propaganda purposes. Either the poorly sourced articles, or the paraphrasing of them in an intentionally deceptive way are designed to mislead and misinform the reader. The whole article is best scraped and started again fresh from scratch with a truly neutral point of view with arguments from both sides of the issue synthesized into one coherent and accurate article. ] (]) 13:35, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
{{hat|Not a forum ] ] 00:16, 11 November 2024 (UTC)}}
:Yes, this article is total trash. It isn't a discussion of crime rates, it's an apologetic for why disparities in crime rates are all due to racism.
:I used to support Misplaced Pages. No longer. ] (]) 15:59, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
::Misplaced Pages is not an objective source in many areas of contentious subject matter, as Mr. Wales has freely admitted. ] (]) 23:40, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
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== Race Crime stats == == Full Read ==


The number of whites in the US is in the 50% the number of blacks us approximately 14%. Poverty, lead paint, ect.... had nothing to do with why crimes are committed. Each and every person has a choice and can work to make a good life for themselves. Why do they change wording instead of showing facts. I did a search on Google, what race commits more crime in the US. The result said WHITE but it said hate crimes. That's not what I searched. ] (]) 04:43, 21 February 2023 (UTC) If all of the crime is caused by all of the crime around them…and segregation is still a reality…wouldn’t that mean the minorities are the ones committing the crimes still? ] (]) 07:17, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

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    This whole article is nonsense

    You have not included any work done by those on the opposite side. This whole article wants to only site those that blame the greater society for people murdering and raping each other. It's a typical liberal propaganda angle to legitimize crime and downplay the demographics (as inconvenient as it is for the editors).

    In the first semi protected comment above me, the OP brought up Roland Fryers EXTENSIVE work,which blew the lid off this whole, "white cops targeting black people".And the editors just totally dismissed it! That right there was a dead give away. Is this wikipedia? Or some activist club that only wants to spread a narrative? 63.143.128.92 (talk) 22:23, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

    How topics are covered is determined by weight, that is, the degree of acceptance of different findings in reliable sources, in this case academic sources. Since Fryer's views have no acceptance among experts, they could only be mentioned here as fringe views. It doesn't matter if he is right or not. TFD (talk) 23:50, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
    Fryers views are not fringe, look up, Thomas Sowell, Shelby Steele, John Mcwhorter and Heather MacDonalds work on this subject. The article is bias. It's PC journalism that you're using. 63.143.128.92 (talk) 13:24, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
    You list two economists, a linguist, an author, and a lawyer as authoritative sources in criminology? Yet you list no criminologists? EvergreenFir (talk) 00:15, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
    It is a joke and this article is so shockingly inaccurate I now will have to reconsider practically anything I ever read on Misplaced Pages again. How is this travesty allowed to be published? Worse yet, some are even defending it! Have you no sense of the reality? We do, and can tell you very plainly, this entire article diminishes the culpability of blacks at every turn placing the blame on historical grievances and providing false statements from first paragraph to the last.
    At no point in the article was there even a mention or allusion to the genetic component regarding the likelihood of committing crimes and black Americans. Studies have shown that DNA differences can predict the likelihood of certain ethnicities committing crimes. BarneyEsNumeroUno (talk) 13:40, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
    This is the correct take. I couldn't believe what I was reading on this page. Anybody, including my fellow black Americans, can tell you that there are so many glaring and obvious statements in it that are outright false and have been propagated for liberal bias propaganda purposes. Either the poorly sourced articles, or the paraphrasing of them in an intentionally deceptive way are designed to mislead and misinform the reader. The whole article is best scraped and started again fresh from scratch with a truly neutral point of view with arguments from both sides of the issue synthesized into one coherent and accurate article. BarneyEsNumeroUno (talk) 13:35, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
    Not a forum EvergreenFir (talk) 00:16, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
    The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
    Yes, this article is total trash. It isn't a discussion of crime rates, it's an apologetic for why disparities in crime rates are all due to racism.
    I used to support Misplaced Pages. No longer. 69.161.87.12 (talk) 15:59, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
    Misplaced Pages is not an objective source in many areas of contentious subject matter, as Mr. Wales has freely admitted. Edit0r6781 (talk) 23:40, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

    Full Read

    If all of the crime is caused by all of the crime around them…and segregation is still a reality…wouldn’t that mean the minorities are the ones committing the crimes still? 2601:283:5000:3260:B03E:A741:4870:A66A (talk) 07:17, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

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