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== Concerns of bias in lede == |
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I have scarcely ever seen a more nakedly biased piece of text on Misplaced Pages than the latter half of the very lede here. Kind of shocking this has been allowed to stay substantially unaltered so long. It seems one user is very passionately edit-guarding this page to one-sidedly desecrate the legacy of someone who died not even a year ago. Shameless on multiple counts. |
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I will certainly be diving into the research to provide a thorough, truly unbiased summation of this man's life work, at some point. These edits will be well-cited, will interpret the literature accurately, and will provide a comprehensive, concise, and totally impartial summary of McDougall's ideas and influence. That does not mean bias to the contrary; it means no bias. Do not edit war when I get around to that, thanks. |
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] (]) 22:20, 22 October 2024 (UTC) |
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:Please ] and take care with how you proceed. Sanctions apply. --] (]) 23:00, 22 October 2024 (UTC) |
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::I am not impressed with the recent edits by . The user has added unreliable sources and is removing sourced material such as ''Wardlaw's Perspectives in Nutrition'' and giving no valid explanation. Their edits are marked as minor when these are not minor edits and no edit summaries given for their controversial removals. There is also a possibility of canvassing . ] (]) 22:39, 2 November 2024 (UTC) |
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== Use of the words 'fad diet' == |
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I am a new editor and am learning. I promise to get better. I do have some suggestions for this page. |
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A fad diet is <mark>a weight loss plan that claims to produce quick results without scientific evidence to support its claims</mark>. |
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McDougall's way of eating does not claim to produce quick results without scientific evidence. I would respectfully request the word 'fad' be removed. It feels as though the 'owner' of this page has a biased opinion of him. |
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This reads like an ad for Dr. John McDougall. His theories, which are that you need to be vegan to be healthy and take supplements for B12 are controversial and it needs to be put into the body of the article. ] (]) 03:52, 21 January 2010 (UTC) |
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Also FYI he died in Portland Oregon. |
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The article does read like a vanity page. I am going to add some content to put it into perspective. Tom Barrister 13:20, 26 August 2010 (UTC) <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) </span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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Also, there are many things I would like to add such as his lifetime achievement award from the college of Lifestyle Medicine in 2018 and his participation in the USDA debate in 2000. |
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This article still reads like an ad for McDougall. Personally I think his stance that eating more vegetables while stopping chemotherapy will cure cancer makes him an obvious quack. There should at least be something in this article about how his "views" are not widely (at all?) shared within the medical or scientific community.. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 15:15, 27 February 2012 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:If you can cite actual sources stating that other doctors and scientists do not share his views, feel free to add them to the article. ] (]) 18:44, 29 February 2012 (UTC) |
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== Personal diet == |
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:Re fad diet - This has already been debated at Misplaced Pages for many years, check the archives of this talk-page. Fad diet is the name of a diet that makes pseudoscientific and unsubstantiated health claims not supported by clinical evidence. It fits the McDougall diet according to multiple ] that we have on the topic. ] (]) 23:07, 2 November 2024 (UTC) |
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It appears John A. McDougall does not identify himself as a ]. In an interview he was asked "How long have you been a been a vegetarian?". He replied, "My diet has been 99.9% vegetarian for the past 28 years." ] (]) 10:38, 23 February 2011 (UTC) |
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I have scarcely ever seen a more nakedly biased piece of text on Misplaced Pages than the latter half of the very lede here. Kind of shocking this has been allowed to stay substantially unaltered so long. It seems one user is very passionately edit-guarding this page to one-sidedly desecrate the legacy of someone who died not even a year ago. Shameless on multiple counts.
I will certainly be diving into the research to provide a thorough, truly unbiased summation of this man's life work, at some point. These edits will be well-cited, will interpret the literature accurately, and will provide a comprehensive, concise, and totally impartial summary of McDougall's ideas and influence. That does not mean bias to the contrary; it means no bias. Do not edit war when I get around to that, thanks.
I am a new editor and am learning. I promise to get better. I do have some suggestions for this page.
McDougall's way of eating does not claim to produce quick results without scientific evidence. I would respectfully request the word 'fad' be removed. It feels as though the 'owner' of this page has a biased opinion of him.
Also FYI he died in Portland Oregon.
Also, there are many things I would like to add such as his lifetime achievement award from the college of Lifestyle Medicine in 2018 and his participation in the USDA debate in 2000.