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::I think one element that should be noted here is that ] is the page creator and 9 years ago he, and ] went to great lengths to write an article that met Misplaced Pages's standards. Then sockpuppetry and threats of lawsuits happened over the years. Editors should judge this article based on its current condition but Unbroken Chain's critique of the tortured history of this article is worth noting. <span style="font-family:Papyrus; color:#800080;">]</span> <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">] ]</sup> 06:29, 9 February 2022 (UTC) ::I think one element that should be noted here is that ] is the page creator and 9 years ago he, and ] went to great lengths to write an article that met Misplaced Pages's standards. Then sockpuppetry and threats of lawsuits happened over the years. Editors should judge this article based on its current condition but Unbroken Chain's critique of the tortured history of this article is worth noting. <span style="font-family:Papyrus; color:#800080;">]</span> <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">] ]</sup> 06:29, 9 February 2022 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' Fails ] and ]. ] • ] 06:48, 9 February 2022 (UTC) *'''Delete''' Fails ] and ]. ] • ] 06:48, 9 February 2022 (UTC)
*'''Do Not Delete''' The statements made by Hell In A Bucket and indeed someone named "Liz" are not worthy for deletion. With no evidence, statements are made about Evans as facts by these two editors. In fact, "Liz," who removed photo's of Evans and all of the celebrities he has opened for, which is specifically sourced on the very page she claims is simply "Evans with Celebrities." In addition to the well sourced news articles that substantiate why the photo's were on Mr. Evans page, a simple Google search confirm this. I have personally reached out to Misplaced Pages regarding what I've seen today and I vote that this page not be deleted. It is my opinion that this is a personal issue with these two editors, and not factual based on Evans well established career, which is duly sourced throughout his page. For these two editors, who have provided no evidence that Mr. Evans has ever added information to his page is suspect. They both make statements, not alleging or assuming, but stating as fact what they provide no evidence for. Additionally, and most outrageously, "Liz" makes the claim that Evans is more known for lawsuits, than the plethora of well sourced information on his page, including literally being added to The National Baseball Hall of Fame. I'm sorry, but this is an attack on this artist, and even myself, who has nothing to do with him and have edited other pages completed unrelated to him. Even I, as an editor, without any factual basis other than the vendetta of these two editors against this man, for whatever reason, certainly not based on anything factual, have even alleged that I am him. I would suggest that anyone reviewing this page really take a look at the years of effort of "Hell In A Bucket" and now more recently "Liz," who actually claims Evans, a member of The National Baseball Hall of Fame and who has recorded historic music videos that are well sourced as "more know for lawsuits," is very concerning. These editors have no right, and no basis, to make claims of fact when what they are really doing is alleging with no evidence to back it up. I have never seen anything like this as an editor, nor have I ever been accused of "sock puppet" activity until I decided, when editing Corey Haim's page, to work on this page, which is what Misplaced Pages requests. All anyone reviewing my vote on this need to do is Google the name of Brian Evans and his work with the legendary producer Narada Michael Walden, who produced the likes of Whitney Houston, and now is producing an artist for Evans. Evans also obtained 39 United States governor Proclamations for Sleep Apnea Awareness. As I said, I have reached out to five different sources that I know at Misplaced Pages to look at the activity of these two editors. Evans also has a verified Twitter page which displays all of the celebrities he has opened for, and those very celebrities following Mr. Evans personal Twitter account and in many cases even "Tweeting" about him. In one comment, "Liz," with absolutely no evidence whatsoever, responds to a comment made by, frankly, it could be anyone, as "Brian." I am also copy and pasting this entire comment to send to Misplaced Pages in the event that, as history has shown, anything positive about Mr. Evans is immediately removed so that, for example, the assessment by "Liz," who makes an absolutely astonishingly uneducated and unsubstantiated remark about this artist that he is "known more for lawsuits than his career" is simply shocking to me while his music is literally, as of this writing, on the show "BoJack Horseman," and numerous others on Netflix and others. For example, they don't claim "we think Mr. Evans did this or did that." Instead, they say that he is the personal responsible for whatever it is they conjure up backed by no evidence to support those statements. I would suggest you look strongly at this, as I am having Misplaced Pages do, again, through multiple sources I know there and have in the past had direct contact with. Anyone looking at this page, the sources, or a simple Google search (not to mention the article citing Evans as one of the most relevant crooners of this generation in Grammy Magazine), will find that Mr. Evans has done more than many artists I've seen who have a page on Misplaced Pages. As an individual who lives in Mexico, I assure you that I am not Brian Evans. For these editors to make that claim, not as a claim but as a final judgment, is outrageous. Evans, the first artist ever to film a music video at The Bates Motel with comedian Carrot Top made history when he did so. Now, I normally would not say as much as I have here, and I certainly am not attempting to attack any editors the way these two editors have done to this man, but when I look at the statements that are meant to say that Evans simply "has pictures with celebrities" when the very Misplaced Pages page they are attempting to delete sources media that contradict her statement, and make allegations that he is "more known for lawsuits than his singing career" is beyond the pale. All one need do is look at the page, the sources, or search his name on Google or YouTube. The statement by "Liz" would be laughable if it was not so egregious. His work with William Shatner has garnered him millions of views on YouTube, the same work that got them both added to The National Baseball Hall of Fame and indeed the Baseball Almanac, all of which any of you can search on their very own websites. I've never seen this much attention brought to single artist who on Amazon, have over a dozen albums and over 150 songs recorded. He has obviously also had legal issues which I don't dispute as they are also well sourced, but you do not see either of these editors deleting any of those, just the well sourced items that give Evans any credibility. Again, I have copied and pasted this entire statement and forwarded to those I am in communication with, who know I am not associated with Mr. Evans personally, for their review of what these two editors have done to Mr. Evans, and that is simply how I see it. How on Earth do you claim Mr. Evans is simply posting photo's of himself with celebrities when the celebrities themselves are tweeting about him, and are by a simply Google search utilizing him as their opening act. Absolutely appauling behavior by these two Misplaced Pages editors.

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Can we assess notability on this user. User:Liz believes he fails GNG. I think that he may pass it marginally. It is important to point out that I changed this from a PROD, which anyone can remove, to an AFD due to almost a decade of self promotion sockpuppeting found Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/Croonerman. This way a true community discussion can be held with minimal disruption by socking. The current active sock/meat puppet is User:Joan4505A and the investigation has been updated as such. Unbroken Chain (talk) 04:36, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

I think one element that should be noted here is that Unbroken Chain is the page creator and 9 years ago he, and Hirolovesswords went to great lengths to write an article that met Misplaced Pages's standards. Then sockpuppetry and threats of lawsuits happened over the years. Editors should judge this article based on its current condition but Unbroken Chain's critique of the tortured history of this article is worth noting. Liz 06:29, 9 February 2022 (UTC)
  • Delete Fails WP:SINGER and WP:NPOL. KidAd • SPEAK 06:48, 9 February 2022 (UTC)
  • Do Not Delete The statements made by Hell In A Bucket and indeed someone named "Liz" are not worthy for deletion. With no evidence, statements are made about Evans as facts by these two editors. In fact, "Liz," who removed photo's of Evans and all of the celebrities he has opened for, which is specifically sourced on the very page she claims is simply "Evans with Celebrities." In addition to the well sourced news articles that substantiate why the photo's were on Mr. Evans page, a simple Google search confirm this. I have personally reached out to Misplaced Pages regarding what I've seen today and I vote that this page not be deleted. It is my opinion that this is a personal issue with these two editors, and not factual based on Evans well established career, which is duly sourced throughout his page. For these two editors, who have provided no evidence that Mr. Evans has ever added information to his page is suspect. They both make statements, not alleging or assuming, but stating as fact what they provide no evidence for. Additionally, and most outrageously, "Liz" makes the claim that Evans is more known for lawsuits, than the plethora of well sourced information on his page, including literally being added to The National Baseball Hall of Fame. I'm sorry, but this is an attack on this artist, and even myself, who has nothing to do with him and have edited other pages completed unrelated to him. Even I, as an editor, without any factual basis other than the vendetta of these two editors against this man, for whatever reason, certainly not based on anything factual, have even alleged that I am him. I would suggest that anyone reviewing this page really take a look at the years of effort of "Hell In A Bucket" and now more recently "Liz," who actually claims Evans, a member of The National Baseball Hall of Fame and who has recorded historic music videos that are well sourced as "more know for lawsuits," is very concerning. These editors have no right, and no basis, to make claims of fact when what they are really doing is alleging with no evidence to back it up. I have never seen anything like this as an editor, nor have I ever been accused of "sock puppet" activity until I decided, when editing Corey Haim's page, to work on this page, which is what Misplaced Pages requests. All anyone reviewing my vote on this need to do is Google the name of Brian Evans and his work with the legendary producer Narada Michael Walden, who produced the likes of Whitney Houston, and now is producing an artist for Evans. Evans also obtained 39 United States governor Proclamations for Sleep Apnea Awareness. As I said, I have reached out to five different sources that I know at Misplaced Pages to look at the activity of these two editors. Evans also has a verified Twitter page which displays all of the celebrities he has opened for, and those very celebrities following Mr. Evans personal Twitter account and in many cases even "Tweeting" about him. In one comment, "Liz," with absolutely no evidence whatsoever, responds to a comment made by, frankly, it could be anyone, as "Brian." I am also copy and pasting this entire comment to send to Misplaced Pages in the event that, as history has shown, anything positive about Mr. Evans is immediately removed so that, for example, the assessment by "Liz," who makes an absolutely astonishingly uneducated and unsubstantiated remark about this artist that he is "known more for lawsuits than his career" is simply shocking to me while his music is literally, as of this writing, on the show "BoJack Horseman," and numerous others on Netflix and others. For example, they don't claim "we think Mr. Evans did this or did that." Instead, they say that he is the personal responsible for whatever it is they conjure up backed by no evidence to support those statements. I would suggest you look strongly at this, as I am having Misplaced Pages do, again, through multiple sources I know there and have in the past had direct contact with. Anyone looking at this page, the sources, or a simple Google search (not to mention the article citing Evans as one of the most relevant crooners of this generation in Grammy Magazine), will find that Mr. Evans has done more than many artists I've seen who have a page on Misplaced Pages. As an individual who lives in Mexico, I assure you that I am not Brian Evans. For these editors to make that claim, not as a claim but as a final judgment, is outrageous. Evans, the first artist ever to film a music video at The Bates Motel with comedian Carrot Top made history when he did so. Now, I normally would not say as much as I have here, and I certainly am not attempting to attack any editors the way these two editors have done to this man, but when I look at the statements that are meant to say that Evans simply "has pictures with celebrities" when the very Misplaced Pages page they are attempting to delete sources media that contradict her statement, and make allegations that he is "more known for lawsuits than his singing career" is beyond the pale. All one need do is look at the page, the sources, or search his name on Google or YouTube. The statement by "Liz" would be laughable if it was not so egregious. His work with William Shatner has garnered him millions of views on YouTube, the same work that got them both added to The National Baseball Hall of Fame and indeed the Baseball Almanac, all of which any of you can search on their very own websites. I've never seen this much attention brought to single artist who on Amazon, have over a dozen albums and over 150 songs recorded. He has obviously also had legal issues which I don't dispute as they are also well sourced, but you do not see either of these editors deleting any of those, just the well sourced items that give Evans any credibility. Again, I have copied and pasted this entire statement and forwarded to those I am in communication with, who know I am not associated with Mr. Evans personally, for their review of what these two editors have done to Mr. Evans, and that is simply how I see it. How on Earth do you claim Mr. Evans is simply posting photo's of himself with celebrities when the celebrities themselves are tweeting about him, and are by a simply Google search utilizing him as their opening act. Absolutely appauling behavior by these two Misplaced Pages editors.
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