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| ****Song lyrics are fine, we are not talking about an academic subject but about yoyur absurd claim that no people are brown. If you keep deleting anything that contradicts your own beliefs we end up with a really useless article, ] 18:19, 20 January 2007 (UTC) | ****Song lyrics are fine, we are not talking about an academic subject but about yoyur absurd claim that no people are brown. If you keep deleting anything that contradicts your own beliefs we end up with a really useless article, ] 18:19, 20 January 2007 (UTC) | ||
| *****Song lyrics are ''not'' fine as a basis for an encyclopaedia article. I strongly suggest that you read ]. And as I said above, my beliefs, which you have no way of knowing, are irrelevant. This is an article based upon sources, and ''is'' an academic subject, as clearly evidenced by the several sources cited that treat it as such. Problems with such articles only arise when editors decide to write articles on such subjects based upon song lyrics rather than upon good sources. ] 18:25, 20 January 2007 (UTC) | *****Song lyrics are ''not'' fine as a basis for an encyclopaedia article. I strongly suggest that you read ]. And as I said above, my beliefs, which you have no way of knowing, are irrelevant. This is an article based upon sources, and ''is'' an academic subject, as clearly evidenced by the several sources cited that treat it as such. Problems with such articles only arise when editors decide to write articles on such subjects based upon song lyrics rather than upon good sources. ] 18:25, 20 January 2007 (UTC) | ||
| This is not an academic subject. What, you think we'll rely on your word for that? It starteed as trol;l bait and what has changed? Are there any people who study brown people (who you on the one hand claim dont exisdt anyway). Stop throwing WP articles at me which I am at elast as familiar with as you. nothing about siong lyrics in ], if it can be sourced that many black people think they are brown none of them need to be academics to make this true, as I am sure you well know, ] 19:22, 20 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
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Colour blind
Have you looked at a few people recently? Look at my user page to see the difference between the alleged black person and the black dog, to claim that people arent brown is likle claiming the sky isnt up, it is a defiance of reality, SqueakBox 01:20, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
- Your user page is irrelevant, as is who I have looked at. If you want this article to put forward the thesis that all people are brown, then you must provide a source for that thesis. The article currently has a source that states unequivocally that "brown people are not brown". Therefore that is what the article says. Please read our Misplaced Pages:No original research and Misplaced Pages:Verifiability policies. Uncle G 01:26, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
So one poor reference makes for a truth, eh? I have now referenced that some people do think skin colour is brown, SqueakBox 17:39, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
- I've removed the content. You appear to be basing your content on song lyrics. Please use good sources. Uncle G 17:54, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
- Please dont delete references, it amy not be ana academic ref but this isnt an academic encyclopedia either, SqueakBox 17:58, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
- On the contrary: This is meant to be an accurate and reliable encyclopaedia. Basing articles upon song lyrics, as you are doing, does not lead to either. Uncle G 18:03, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
- Song lyrics are fine, we are not talking about an academic subject but about yoyur absurd claim that no people are brown. If you keep deleting anything that contradicts your own beliefs we end up with a really useless article, SqueakBox 18:19, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
- Song lyrics are not fine as a basis for an encyclopaedia article. I strongly suggest that you read Misplaced Pages:Reliable sources. And as I said above, my beliefs, which you have no way of knowing, are irrelevant. This is an article based upon sources, and is an academic subject, as clearly evidenced by the several sources cited that treat it as such. Problems with such articles only arise when editors decide to write articles on such subjects based upon song lyrics rather than upon good sources. Uncle G 18:25, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
- Song lyrics are fine, we are not talking about an academic subject but about yoyur absurd claim that no people are brown. If you keep deleting anything that contradicts your own beliefs we end up with a really useless article, SqueakBox 18:19, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
- On the contrary: This is meant to be an accurate and reliable encyclopaedia. Basing articles upon song lyrics, as you are doing, does not lead to either. Uncle G 18:03, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
- Please dont delete references, it amy not be ana academic ref but this isnt an academic encyclopedia either, SqueakBox 17:58, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
This is not an academic subject. What, you think we'll rely on your word for that? It starteed as trol;l bait and what has changed? Are there any people who study brown people (who you on the one hand claim dont exisdt anyway). Stop throwing WP articles at me which I am at elast as familiar with as you. nothing about siong lyrics in WP:RS, if it can be sourced that many black people think they are brown none of them need to be academics to make this true, as I am sure you well know, SqueakBox 19:22, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
Coloureds
Take into account that I speak of the South African group referred to in this article. The phrase "who were largely, and erroneously, believed to have been the production of black-white sexual union out of wedlock" -- what exactly does it suggest? Also, in Afrikaans, one uses the diphtong "ui" instead of "y" in the words "bruin", "bruines" and "bruinmense". BooBooSpooki 22:56, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
- The source, which is a study of such words, spells the words as they are written, and contains no occurrences at all (in 500 pages) of the words that you give. Please cite an equally good source for the spelling that you are claiming. Similarly, the sentence fragment quoted is based upon Adhikari's discussion of the "stigma of illegitimacy" and an "enduring myth" in popular thinking. Please read what the source says. Uncle G 02:32, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
- Thanks for clearing that up! Well, the author of your source hardly speaks Afrikaans fluently, whereas I do. I suppose it reflects the document when such spelling is used, but if you wish to refer to the way it's spoken lately, you need to use the spelling in the article about coloured people in South Africa, where "ui" is used instead of "y". Hopefully I can get hold of the source and read it properly over the week. BooBooSpooki 09:09, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
- Your spelling might simply be outdated. Adhikari talks about an article "Ons Bruinmense" that was written in 1962. Patterson (ISBN 0415178266) talks about "Bruinmense" on page 140. But that book was written in 1953. In contrast, Stone, who discusses "brynmense" and related words, was writing in 2002. Uncle G 11:49, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
- Thanks for clearing that up! Well, the author of your source hardly speaks Afrikaans fluently, whereas I do. I suppose it reflects the document when such spelling is used, but if you wish to refer to the way it's spoken lately, you need to use the spelling in the article about coloured people in South Africa, where "ui" is used instead of "y". Hopefully I can get hold of the source and read it properly over the week. BooBooSpooki 09:09, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
Brown
To claim or imply that all Mexicans are brown is rascist claptrap, eg see Afro-Mexican, SqueakBox 17:58, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
- The article did not say that. It quite clearly said that some people refer to Mexican Americans as brown people. That is what the source says, too. Please consult our Misplaced Pages:No original research policy again. You are not working from sources. Please work from sources. Uncle G 18:01, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
- We are talking about the people being referred to no those crass enough to do the referring and all Mexicans are not brown ,l that's justrt an ignorant generalisation. Pleasse source your claim that all Mexicans are brown, and take a look at Demographics of Mexico, hardly OR, SqueakBox 18:17, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
- For the third time: The article did not say that. And nowhere have I made any such claim. Please read what the text actually says. You are not reading what the article actually says. Uncle G 18:25, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
- That's your opinion, and as an argument it doesnt holod much water, SqueakBox 19:18, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
- We are talking about the people being referred to no those crass enough to do the referring and all Mexicans are not brown ,l that's justrt an ignorant generalisation. Pleasse source your claim that all Mexicans are brown, and take a look at Demographics of Mexico, hardly OR, SqueakBox 18:17, 20 January 2007 (UTC)